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      Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Aug 25, 2017 09:42:45 am

      Liverpool vs Arsenal is usually quite a high scoring game.
      Score predictions? Starting line up?
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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #1: Aug 25, 2017 10:02:02 am
      This is a really tricky one to predict, but I don't think it will be 0-0.

      I think we'll carry through the good form from Hoffenheim and I'll go for another 4-2 win to us.
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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #2: Aug 25, 2017 10:20:31 am
      I would pick the bulk of who started on Wednesday apart from Lovren who is a complete liability at the moment.
      Also Seems like Robertson and Moreno are going to rotate this season.

      Migs
      TAA
      Matip
      Klavan
      Robertson

      Hendo
      Can
      Gini

      Salah
      Mane
      Firmino
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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #3: Aug 25, 2017 10:21:09 am
      NB: Team no longer available
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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #4: Aug 25, 2017 01:47:37 pm
      Just win

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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #5: Aug 25, 2017 02:09:41 pm
      13 11 to us
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      Reply #6: Aug 25, 2017 03:52:42 pm
      I really hope Arsenal stick with the three at the back they've been playing
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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #7: Aug 25, 2017 04:02:53 pm
      I would pick the bulk of who started on Wednesday apart from Lovren who is a complete liability at the moment.
      Also Seems like Robertson and Moreno are going to rotate this season.

      Migs
      TAA
      Matip
      Klavan
      Robertson

      Hendo
      Can
      Gini

      Salah
      Mane
      Firmino

      I like this lineup best.
      Sounds like TAA is a major doubt however.
      The other question I have with Klopp is if he'll look to get Milner a start.
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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #8: Aug 25, 2017 04:33:10 pm
      We have been looking more dangerous on our set pieces so far this season. Should have scored 2 or 3 from those already. Hopefully the finishing, especially from Matip, can be just that little bit better and we can add that to our arsenal (no pun intended) of attacking weapons.
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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #9: Aug 25, 2017 05:32:28 pm
      The thing with Lovern is not only has he been playing POORLY, but Matip seems to play worse when playing with Dejan. I think Klavan communicates with the defenders better than Lovern. Or maybe Matip just trust Klavan more than he does Lovern and worries more about his game and less on his partners.

      Wonder if Ox plays?
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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #10: Aug 25, 2017 06:27:29 pm
      You'd have to think there should be a fair few goals, neither side specializing in defending, but decent attacking.
      Looking forward to it :)
      Hope to see Salah have an impact, he's done pretty well so far imo without being outstanding.
      The team pretty much picks itself, which is a conversion for another thread (squad depth/signings).
      We should go into it with some confidence, after a good aggr win over the Hoff.
      Was gonna say 'you cant win the league early, but you can loose it',  but thought better of it, cause surely you can't loose it this early either ;)
      Would like to see Robertson get a run ahead of Moreno. Bob up top, and maybe Can to nick another?!
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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #11: Aug 25, 2017 07:21:53 pm
      7-0.
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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #12: Aug 25, 2017 09:53:57 pm
      Would feel better if Lallana was playing but it is what it is. I'm going 3-1 to us.
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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #13: Aug 25, 2017 09:59:32 pm
      What's the score with Wijnaldum then - is he still in Holland with his girlfriend who's just had a baby.  Seems odd that Klopp finds out about it from the press, and nobody had told him in the intervening 24 hour period!

      Milner, Hendo and Can in midfield I assume.
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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #14: Aug 25, 2017 10:16:08 pm

      Yeah, this. Although with TAA instead of Gomez, if fit.

      (Don't mind if its Can or Gini).
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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #15: Aug 25, 2017 10:22:13 pm
      What's the score with Wijnaldum then - is he still in Holland with his girlfriend who's just had a baby.  Seems odd that Klopp finds out about it from the press, and nobody had told him in the intervening 24 hour period!

      Milner, Hendo and Can in midfield I assume.
       

      Kinda hard to judge Klopp on that,he did seem a little put out but still had a laugh about it.http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/41052497.Bench for Gini.
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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #16: Aug 25, 2017 10:24:29 pm
      What's the score with Wijnaldum then - is he still in Holland with his girlfriend who's just had a baby.  Seems odd that Klopp finds out about it from the press, and nobody had told him in the intervening 24 hour period!

      Today's training from Melwood.


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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #17: Aug 25, 2017 11:08:58 pm

      Having a laugh over Jürgen's use of the term "knocked up."
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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #18: Aug 26, 2017 02:51:36 am
      Should be routine this if Arsenal offer up the same strategic defensive nous like Hoffenheim did, then it should be another blitzkrieg.

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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #19: Aug 26, 2017 03:33:58 am
      Should be routine this if Arsenal offer up the same strategic defensive nous like Hoffenheim did, then it should be another blitzkrieg.

      we have to remember that Hoffenheim let us off the hook two or three times in that match. better quality finishing could have made that match a much more nerve-wracking affair. I agree we can score on anyone in an open game, but arsenal i expect will take their chances better than hoffenheim did.
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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #20: Aug 26, 2017 03:54:24 am
      we have to remember that Hoffenheim let us off the hook two or three times in that match. better quality finishing could have made that match a much more nerve-wracking affair. I agree we can score on anyone in an open game, but arsenal i expect will take their chances better than hoffenheim did.

      I'd be surprised if Arsenal were that naive in their approach Robby - defensively speaking anyway.

      They've (Arsenal) started playing with 3 at the back, the same as Hoffenheim did. They also play an open/fluid game, same as Hoffenheim do. If Wenger hasn't done his homework and seen how we cut through them then IMO he's asking for trouble. Let us play, and we'll almost destroy anyone.

      It's that attacking quintet of ours (numbers + runners) that essentially makes us look so electric in attack, stifle us in midfield (Gini-Can) like Palace did and our much fabled "one-man-system" drastically loses it's verve, and completely changes the complexion of the game - where we have to go to 'grind-out' mode.

      But if Arsenal do come out blazing for an open game, I think we'll do 'em, but you're right they could be a bit more clinical in putting their chances away.

      I'm positive if we front foot them in an 'open' game at Anfield we'll be too much for them. If they decide to turn up and turn on an Italian master class in defensive organisation (not sure they are capable of that), then I wouldn't be so confident. It must be teasing for Wenger though, given the way his team play and the fact he'll know that our own defence can be 'gotten at'. It will be more interesting watching how he approaches this rather than Klopp IMO.
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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #21: Aug 26, 2017 10:04:58 am
      I say 5-4 to us because both defences are sh*te and both teams can only play one way.
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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #22: Aug 26, 2017 11:55:51 am
      I think it will depend on which Arsenal turn up, and their mood, they can look a very good side one week then damn average the next, let's hope it's the latter,

      I don't imagine they'll change how they set up in defence just to accommodate us but if they did that would play in our favour, forcing them to alter from the norm, staying with a back 3 also suits us so I'm looking forward to how they manage our attack,

      Starters.....
                                 Mignolet
                TAA  Matip Klavan Robertson 
                                Henderson
                    Daddy                   Emre
                   Salah                       Mane
                                 Firmino

      Finishers,  Any three of ...

      Bench; Karius, Lovren, Gomez, Can, Sturridge, Milner, Solanke


      Nice and open is what I reckon will be order of the day....We'll score more than you !

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      Reply #23: Aug 26, 2017 12:11:57 pm
      I'm going for a 3:2 win, because I think Wenger will stick with 3 at the back, but will go for 5 across the middle to try and stifle our service to the front 3. Arse...3 1 5 1 with any one of the five to support the forward depending on the position of play.
      Will be tough for us to get plenty of possession in the middle, but still think we'll edge it. Just need to be a bit more clinical in front of goal. Also, a bit more concentration and belief at the back.
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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #24: Aug 26, 2017 02:48:14 pm
      3-1 win.

      Mignolet

      TAA
      Matip
      Gomez
      Robbo

      Can
      Hendo
      Gini

      Salah
      Firmino
      Mané

      That's what i'd go with. But whatever we go with, we'll smack 'em. Firmino's movement and the pace of our wide lads will tear their back 3 apart.
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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #25: Aug 26, 2017 04:13:13 pm
      I know people keep selecting Mignolet but he burnt my head out a long time ago and with only twelve appearences at the club, I want to see Karius given a run out and not bombed out the side if he makes a couple of mistakes. Mignolet has made a career of them and still gets picked, so it's only fair to persist with Karius through them. If he blows the chance, so be it, at least we know we need a new keeper.

      I'm also wary of Arsenal's attack and very concious of our defensive fraility, or more precisely our habbit of blind, chaotic panic whenever our fullbacks are up the field and Henderson is slow dropping in leaving Lovren and Matip exposed. With that in mind I'd like a more solid defence.

      3-4-3

      Karius

      Klavan  Matip   Lovren

      Alexander-Arnold   Henderson   Can   Robertson

      Mane  Firmino   Salah

      Using Robertson and TAA as wing-backs rather than fullbacks mitigates their weakness in defending whilst promotes their strengths in attack. We're dropping someone out of midfield whose performances have frankly left a lot to be desired so far this season, whilst retaining our devestating attack by way of our regular front three. In my opinion this would shore us up at the back without sacrificing attack.
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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #26: Aug 26, 2017 08:38:16 pm
      Going for a 3  2 win for the Reds, good going forward, but woeful at the back !
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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #27: Aug 26, 2017 11:23:55 pm
      1-0 .

      Simples.
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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #28: Aug 27, 2017 12:14:02 am
      I wish we would do a 4-2-3-1

                                                    Solanke
                       
                        Salah                      Berto                Mane

                                  Hendo                          Can

               Andy Rob             Klavan            Matip              TAA   

                                                       Migs
               
      « Last Edit: Aug 27, 2017 02:06:43 am by Breeding-Reds-In-The-434 »
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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #29: Aug 27, 2017 01:10:04 am
      I wish we would do a 4-2-3-1

                                                    Solanke
                       
                        Salah                      Berto                Mane

                                  Hendo                          Can

               Andy Rob             Klavan            Matip              TAA           

      Aye, I'd sooner go with no Keeper than Mignolet too ;)
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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #30: Aug 27, 2017 01:11:30 am
      I know people keep selecting Mignolet but he burnt my head out a long time ago and with only twelve appearences at the club, I want to see Karius given a run out and not bombed out the side if he makes a couple of mistakes. Mignolet has made a career of them and still gets picked, so it's only fair to persist with Karius through them. If he blows the chance, so be it, at least we know we need a new keeper.

      I'm also wary of Arsenal's attack and very concious of our defensive fraility, or more precisely our habbit of blind, chaotic panic whenever our fullbacks are up the field and Henderson is slow dropping in leaving Lovren and Matip exposed. With that in mind I'd like a more solid defence.

      3-4-3

      Karius

      Klavan  Matip   Lovren

      Alexander-Arnold   Henderson   Can   Robertson

      Mane  Firmino   Salah

      Using Robertson and TAA as wing-backs rather than fullbacks mitigates their weakness in defending whilst promotes their strengths in attack. We're dropping someone out of midfield whose performances have frankly left a lot to be desired so far this season, whilst retaining our devestating attack by way of our regular front three. In my opinion this would shore us up at the back without sacrificing attack.
      I think the conundrum for Jürgen is that for every mistake Migs makes he also balances it up with a worldy save
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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #31: Aug 27, 2017 02:11:00 am
      Aye, I'd sooner go with no Keeper than Mignolet too ;)

      Maybe my favorite post I have read to date.  :lmao:
      Touché sir, touché!!!
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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #32: Aug 27, 2017 03:48:25 am
      Was watching the video of that 4-4 draw years ago: https://www.facebook.com/footballhighlightsssss/videos/147559472461276/?hc_ref=ARQ_DdxJni7to_srJEeBmY7oUPDlGzdRiD-sbZ3tE1CBjQy-7NBPTdH_NP0M8ms0W58

      We played some very good attacking football, missed loads of chances, but sh*t defending cost us badly.

      Some pretty bad mistakes by Aurelio and Arbeloa. I liked Arbeloa but he was decent at best. Must be one of the players people overrate the most in this forum, perceptions changed surprisingly for the better as years passed by. There was little commotion when we actually sold him for not much money at all.
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      Reply #33: Aug 27, 2017 07:07:17 am
      There was little commotion when we actually sold him for not much money at all.

      Don't think that's true, mate.

      There were many on here who were upset. Firstly for letting his contract run down to the final year and secondly for the price we received for someone who was one of the standout right backs in Europe for the past couple of seasons.
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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #34: Aug 27, 2017 07:36:38 am
      Was watching the video of that 4-4 draw years ago: https://www.facebook.com/footballhighlightsssss/videos/147559472461276/?hc_ref=ARQ_DdxJni7to_srJEeBmY7oUPDlGzdRiD-sbZ3tE1CBjQy-7NBPTdH_NP0M8ms0W58

      We played some very good attacking football, missed loads of chances, but sh*t defending cost us badly.

      Some pretty bad mistakes by Aurelio and Arbeloa. I liked Arbeloa but he was decent at best. Must be one of the players people overrate the most in this forum, perceptions changed surprisingly for the better as years passed by. There was little commotion when we actually sold him for not much money at all.

      Watching that makes you realise how good Torres was. Strength, power, precision, fitness, heading, both feet.... F***ing loved him
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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #35: Aug 27, 2017 08:00:09 am
      Less than 8 hours to go now.

      Lets do it.

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      Reply #36: Aug 27, 2017 09:26:44 am
      This will be total bollocks if Sanchez plays today, City will probably get him for 70m next week and we'll face him again.
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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #37: Aug 27, 2017 09:55:40 am

      Well some of the Migs haters (general transfer thread) are going to be happy, he's not even in the match day squad today. Not ill or injured apparently, begs the question why drop him now and completely out of the squad, seems very strange.

      the only good thing he has got going for him is that he is a good shot stopper 50% of the time.

      This made me laugh, cheers.

      Timing of the change is the odd one on this, there's more to this one than meets the eye it would seem. With regards hate, I think it's a very strong word and was brought up not to use it unless appropriate so I wouldn't say I hate him, but I do believe he's cost us more points than any other player over the last few years and I'd always welcome him being dropped for someone better, it's time for Karius to prove that he is.

      I'd go with:

                      Karius
          TAA  Matip  Klavan Moreno
                   Henderson
             Wijnaldum   Can
        Salah    Firmino  Mane

      I must admit every time I write that midfield down I don't feel comfortable with it and our lack of choices (Lallana injury and Coutinho cuntishness accepted) is irritating.
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      Reply #38: Aug 27, 2017 10:04:30 am
      Well some of the Migs haters (general transfer thread) are going to be happy, he's not even in the match day squad today. Not ill or injured apparently, begs the question why drop him now and completely out of the squad, seems very strange

      Rumours he's having some personal problems and Klopp being the kinder hearted fella he is has instructed him to take time out.
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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #39: Aug 27, 2017 10:13:03 am
      Well some of the Migs haters (general transfer thread) are going to be happy, he's not even in the match day squad today. Not ill or injured apparently, begs the question why drop him now and completely out of the squad, seems very strange.

      This made me laugh, cheers.

      Timing of the change is the odd one on this, there's more to this one than meets the eye it would seem. With regards hate, I think it's a very strong word and was brought up not to use it unless appropriate so I wouldn't say I hate him, but I do believe he's cost us more points than any other player over the last few years and I'd always welcome him being dropped for someone better, it's time for Karius to prove that he is.

      I'd go with:

                      Karius
          TAA  Matip  Klavan Moreno
                   Henderson
             Wijnaldum   Can
        Salah    Firmino  Mane

      I must admit every time I write that midfield down I don't feel comfortable with it and our lack of choices (Lallana injury and Coutinho cuntishness accepted) is irritating.

      I'll guess why he's not in the squad, if true that is.

      I think klopp knows these will get in behind and knows Mignolet will be rooted to his line just watching Lacazette or Sanchez (if he plays) bearing down on him to pick his spot.

      So opting for Karius (if chosen) we have someone who will be alert and quick off his line potentially cutting out through balls before they reach their target.

      Personally don't see the point in changing your keeper for one game though. Whoever comes in needs to be given an extended run to see if they can actually step up.

      Even if they make a few mistakes which they may well do in their first few matches... They need to be given a fair chance, God knows how many Mignolet has had.

      I think it's only fair that Karius or Ward is afforded the same opportunity.
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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #40: Aug 27, 2017 10:13:51 am
      Rumours he's having some personal problems and Klopp being the kinder hearted fella he is has instructed him to take time out.

      Oh well that totally destroyed my theory  :lmao:
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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #41: Aug 27, 2017 10:26:07 am
      Was watching the video of that 4-4 draw years ago: https://www.facebook.com/footballhighlightsssss/videos/147559472461276/?hc_ref=ARQ_DdxJni7to_srJEeBmY7oUPDlGzdRiD-sbZ3tE1CBjQy-7NBPTdH_NP0M8ms0W58

      We played some very good attacking football, missed loads of chances, but sh*t defending cost us badly.

      Some pretty bad mistakes by Aurelio and Arbeloa. I liked Arbeloa but he was decent at best. Must be one of the players people overrate the most in this forum, perceptions changed surprisingly for the better as years passed by. There was little commotion when we actually sold him for not much money at all.

      Yep bad mistakes. Aurelio tut tut, Reina could have done better though.

      Torres was a beast.
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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #42: Aug 27, 2017 10:30:03 am
      Rumours he's having some personal problems and Klopp being the kinder hearted fella he is has instructed him to take time out.

      Fair enough, would make the most sense something like that.
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      Reply #43: Aug 27, 2017 10:34:39 am
      Oh well that totally destroyed my theory  :lmao:

      Just rumours mate, makes sense though he's not injured so if being rested he'd be on the bench, another rumour is he's off to Napoli to replace Reina :D
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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #44: Aug 27, 2017 10:49:30 am
      Karius in goal.

      Let's hope his goal kicks don't go out for corners again.  :D

      Last time I saw him in a competitive game between the sticks he gave me and my Valium the wobbles.
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      Reply #45: Aug 27, 2017 11:04:03 am
      Arsenal will control the ball and will put us on the back foot (right where we want to be). Their attack gives Mane and Salah the space they need to get goals. We win 3-2
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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #46: Aug 27, 2017 11:12:58 am
      Karius in goal.

      Let's hope his goal kicks don't go out for corners again.  :D

      Last time I saw him in a competitive game between the sticks he gave me and my Valium the wobbles.

      Ditto. Karius made me feel that Mignolet was Mr Dependable.

      Funnily enough, I think he might have made Mig feel the same. He seemed a lot more confident when he came back in after Karius.
      Still, if Mig is not available for whatever reason, we've got to make the best of it. I'll be cheering him on from behind the couch.
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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #47: Aug 27, 2017 11:21:51 am
      Arsenal will control the ball and will put us on the back foot (right where we want to be). Their attack gives Mane and Salah the space they need to get goals

      I see this as well, I just can't see us winning the midfield battle and we'll end up without the ball for the majority of the match, but as you mentioned, it could work in favour for us with Mane and Salah on the counter.
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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #48: Aug 27, 2017 11:27:23 am
      I have many doubts about Karius as you may know. He still needs to convince me why Klopp has bought him. I hope he has the best game of his career and going miles with his career with us.
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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #49: Aug 27, 2017 11:34:31 am
      From The Telegraph:

      'Mignolet has been omitted from the squad, the Belgian told he has been rested following this week’s Champions League qualifier.'

      Rested? What does a goalkeeper do in 90 minutes to warrant a rest? On that logic, the full XI gets rotated.
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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #50: Aug 27, 2017 11:38:01 am
      If Karius is true its similar to last season but in reverse! Not good

      Think were ok today as they wont bombard the box with crosses
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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #51: Aug 27, 2017 11:43:01 am
      If it is something personal, I totally agree with Klopp but Mignolet does not deserve to be dropped on form alone.
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      Reply #52: Aug 27, 2017 11:49:01 am
      Very very odd
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      Reply #53: Aug 27, 2017 11:50:33 am
      From The Telegraph:

      'Mignolet has been omitted from the squad, the Belgian told he has been rested following this week’s Champions League qualifier.'

      Rested? What does a goalkeeper do in 90 minutes to warrant a rest? On that logic, the full XI gets rotated.

      It's code for, mind your own business you nosy fuckers!
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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #54: Aug 27, 2017 12:09:58 pm
      Odd decision & one I hope does not cost us any points today, the CB's are shaky as it is and with Karius drafted in it could be alone nerving..
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      Reply #55: Aug 27, 2017 12:30:16 pm
      3-1 in favor of us, with nail biting last 5 minutes. I demand every single player to be inside our box defending a slender lead in the last 5 minutes or so. No two ways about it. 5 across our goal line, if that is permissible within the rules of the game.
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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #56: Aug 27, 2017 12:35:44 pm
      I suppose yer could trace back our frailty on set pieces to the arrival of Mignolet. I mean who would you rather have coming out at yer on the crosses into the box, the nimble Mig or the thug like Reina.

      Yes we had defensive problems before Mig but it just seams as if the fear factor is not there for the attackers coming into the box. No doubt Mig is a fantastic keeper in terms of shot stopping, breathtaking saves etc but it takes a bit more than that to be a top keeper.
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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #57: Aug 27, 2017 12:36:42 pm
      Everyone, including the Arsenal fans have got us down to win. I hate being in this position, just hope the players are pumped and ready for a proper test.

      A front three of Sanchez, Ozil and Lacazette is up there with the best in Europe.
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      Reply #58: Aug 27, 2017 12:48:37 pm
      Why is Mignolet being dropped. I mean he's not the best keeper in the league or anything, but he's not really been the reason for any recent capitulation on our part. So you just drop him and bring in Karius? So then what happens if Karius has a bad game....does the lad just get completely destroyed for it?
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      Reply #59: Aug 27, 2017 12:50:20 pm
      Karius will probably lose us the game, it's a disaster!!! He's not ready for PL (yet).

      It's a very strange move to axe Mig. If there were personal reasons, don't u think the club would have told so to avoid speculations? Mig doesn't deserve such a treatment. Klopp did bullshit like that already in Dortmund by axing Weidenfeller. If we lose this game and there is not a pretty good explanation of the Mig's affair I will blame it all on Jürgen!!!

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      Reply #60: Aug 27, 2017 12:54:29 pm
      Karius will probably lose us the game, it's a disaster!!! He's not ready for PL (yet).

      It's a very strange move to axe Mig. If there were personal reasons, don't u think the club would have told so to avoid speculations? Mig doesn't deserve such a treatment. Klopp did bullshit like that already in Dortmund by axing Weidenfeller. If we lose this game and there is not a pretty good explanation of the Mig's affair I will blame it all on Jürgen!!!

      We don't know whether Karius is ready for the PL yet because he's only made twleve appearences. How's he ever going to be ready if he doesn't make starts? Maybe he he's the best Keeper since De Gea, maybe he's Mignolet Mk2, but we'll never know unless he's given an extended run in the side. It's not like Mignolet has been in title winning form so far this season.
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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #61: Aug 27, 2017 01:03:45 pm
      Damn, with Karius in goal, I will be even more nervous.
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      Reply #62: Aug 27, 2017 01:04:04 pm
      Well some of the Migs haters (general transfer thread) are going to be happy, he's not even in the match day squad today. Not ill or injured apparently, begs the question why drop him now and completely out of the squad, seems very strange.

      This made me laugh, cheers.

      Timing of the change is the odd one on this, there's more to this one than meets the eye it would seem. With regards hate, I think it's a very strong word and was brought up not to use it unless appropriate so I wouldn't say I hate him, but I do believe he's cost us more points than any other player over the last few years and I'd always welcome him being dropped for someone better, it's time for Karius to prove that he is.

      I'd go with:

                      Karius
          TAA  Matip  Klavan Moreno
                   Henderson
             Wijnaldum   Can
        Salah    Firmino  Mane

      I must admit every time I write that midfield down I don't feel comfortable with it and our lack of choices (Lallana injury and Coutinho cuntishness accepted) is irritating.



      Wot ! No Robertson Luke  ? 

      Your probably bang on with the rest, didn't know Migs was out so just hope Karius is up for it, guess we'll find out, I went with Klavan rather than Lovren , but should be VVD in a ideal world,

      I feel the same regarding our mids, just don't think Hendo & Can sharing the same pitch is our best option and Gini has been ropey of late, I know this is controversial but the sooner we have Coutinho back amongst it the better imo.....





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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #63: Aug 27, 2017 01:10:36 pm
      It's not like Mignolet has been in title winning form so far this season.

      You don't axe a goalkeeper in the middle of the season, you just don't. It's a killer for his self confidence and if Karius sucks and he has to bring back Mig then "Gute Nacht". You do that at the very beginning of the season. Goalkeepers need confidence and confidence needs trust and trust needs the knowledge to be still No. 1 after mistakes.

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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #64: Aug 27, 2017 01:12:58 pm
      Karius will probably lose us the game, it's a disaster!!! He's not ready for PL (yet).

      It's a very strange move to axe Mig. If there were personal reasons, don't u think the club would have told so to avoid speculations? Mig doesn't deserve such a treatment. Klopp did bullshit like that already in Dortmund by axing Weidenfeller. If we lose this game and there is not a pretty good explanation of the Mig's affair I will blame it all on Jürgen!!!



      Jesus wept,, optimism isn't your strongest quality it seems!

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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #65: Aug 27, 2017 01:14:21 pm
      You don't axe a goalkeeper in the middle of the season, you just don't. It's a killer for his self confidence and if Karius sucks and he has to bring back Mig then "Gute Nacht". You do that at the very beginning of the season. Goalkeepers need confidence and confidence needs trust and trust needs the knowledge to be still No. 1 after mistakes.



      Spot on mate. Rather have Migs than Jürgen any day........

       :f_whistle:
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      Reply #66: Aug 27, 2017 01:16:07 pm
      Jesus wept,, optimism isn't your strongest quality it seems!



      I am a German, pessimism is in our blood, mate. Therefore they called us "Piefke", "Fritz" and "Sauerkraut" in the wars^^.
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      Reply #67: Aug 27, 2017 01:17:12 pm
      As much as I resect Wenger his defence is sh*te and I can see our front three destroying them..
      Saying that we've gotta watch it when defending set pieces today..get it wrong and they'll punish us..

      Hold on to your seats folks, I can see lots of goals in this one...

      4-2 :kop5cf8koxp6:
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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #68: Aug 27, 2017 01:21:03 pm
      Surprised that Mignolet is rumoured not to be in the squad, but let's face it - he's hardly one of our strongest players.  He has conceded 6 goals against fairly piss poor opposition in 3 of our 4 games.

      And to be fair the two he conceded in our last game he should have done much better.  Can't remember the 4 other goals off the top of my head.

      In any case last week everyone was saying Mane was being left out and he ended up winning us the game so let's wait till the team's out to be sure.
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      Reply #69: Aug 27, 2017 01:25:41 pm
      I am a German, pessimism is in our blood, mate. Therefore they called us "Piefke", "Fritz" and "Sauerkraut" in the wars^^.

      Is that all they called you in the wars ;D

      All decision are at the doorstep of the Boss, some we agree with & some we don't.
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      Reply #70: Aug 27, 2017 01:26:01 pm
      Hmm!  Must admit it's a strange one, no Migs not even on the bench, no one of course knows why it could be anything from a personal viewpoint or it could be a tete a tete with Jürgen,

      It it were a injury that's what would have been announced so I'm thinking it's more to do with a personal thing that needs to remain private,
      I can't imagine Migs and Jürgen falling out but you never know ?



      Maybe he put in a TR for Barca   :f_whistle:



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      Reply #71: Aug 27, 2017 01:29:39 pm
      I am a German, pessimism is in our blood, mate. Therefore they called us "Piefke", "Fritz" and "Sauerkraut" in the wars^^.

      "Don't mention the war".

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      Reply #72: Aug 27, 2017 01:29:48 pm
      You don't axe a goalkeeper in the middle of the season, you just don't. It's a killer for his self confidence and if Karius sucks and he has to bring back Mig then "Gute Nacht". You do that at the very beginning of the season. Goalkeepers need confidence and confidence needs trust and trust needs the knowledge to be still No. 1 after mistakes.

      Why not? We did it last season. Brendan did it the season before. It's not unheard of in other clubs either. We have three keepers on the books. One we know for certain isn't title winning quality, the other two are complete unknowns. We need to know for a decision on the position to be made.
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      Reply #73: Aug 27, 2017 01:38:06 pm
      Some very odd comments regarding Mignolet blaming him for goals clearly not his doing . It is a very odd decision in my eyes unless something else in it . I must admit having 3 keepers not going to work one surely will be leaving before Friday one way or other
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      Reply #74: Aug 27, 2017 01:44:52 pm
      Watched a re run of the 4:4 myself. If we can replicate that sort of form, but put away our chances, we should win 12:4 today 😊
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      Reply #75: Aug 27, 2017 01:47:08 pm


      Wot ! No Robertson Luke  ? 

      Your probably bang on with the rest, didn't know Migs was out so just hope Karius is up for it, guess we'll find out, I went with Klavan rather than Lovren , but should be VVD in a ideal world,

      I feel the same regarding our mids, just don't think Hendo & Can sharing the same pitch is our best option and Gini has been ropey of late, I know this is controversial but the sooner we have Coutinho back amongst it the better imo.....





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      Reply #76: Aug 27, 2017 01:54:07 pm
      It is a very odd decision in my eyes unless something else in it . I must admit having 3 keepers not going to work one surely will be leaving before Friday one way or other

      Migs ?

      Klopp is not stupid. He knows Migs failings and the points that have been dropped.
      Is Migs going to be transferred on the 31st ? Is someone else coming in?

      If a transfer has been arranged then we wouldn't want Migs injured before Thursday.

      Karius dropped a few clangers when he came in. That was to be expected . Different team and different league.

      Quality ? Don't forget he is a German international keeper.

      Danny was brilliant at Huddersfield in that promotion winning side. A revelation.

      I think he and Karius are capable of being the Red's keepers. 

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      Reply #77: Aug 27, 2017 01:55:28 pm
      Migs ?

      Klopp is not stupid. He knows Migs failings and the points that have been dropped.
      Is Migs going to be transferred on the 31st ? Is someone else coming in?

      If a transfer has been arranged then we wouldn't want Migs injured before Thursday.

      Karius dropped a few clangers when he came in. That was to be expected . Different team and different league.

      Quality ? Don't forget he is a German international keeper.

      Danny was brilliant at Huddersfield in that promotion winning side. A revelation.

      I think he and Karius are capable of being the Red's keepers. 



      Has there been a transfer request or interest from another team?.
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      Reply #78: Aug 27, 2017 02:01:44 pm
      Has there been a transfer request or interest from another team?.

      No idea . Just speculating  Shabs .
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      Reply #79: Aug 27, 2017 02:03:38 pm
      Has there been a transfer request or interest from another team?.

      Has there been a transfer request? I hope so.

      Has there been interest from another team? I highly doubt it haha
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      Reply #80: Aug 27, 2017 02:06:19 pm
      Is it possible someone came in for Migs and he is going to be sold? Let's wait and see Klopp's reaction after the match.

      However Karius does this match, he gets my support from today because ("I am Batman") we are Liverpool. :)
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      Reply #81: Aug 27, 2017 02:11:25 pm
      Is it possible someone came in for Migs and he is going to be sold? Let's wait and see Klopp's reaction after the match.

      However Karius does this match, he gets my support from today because ("I am Batman") we are Liverpool. :)

      It might just be something as simple as Karius plays the League, Mignolet plays Europe and Ward plays the domestic cups, allowing him to appraise each with an extended run.
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      Reply #82: Aug 27, 2017 02:12:16 pm
      As the saying goes (don't know the phrase in English), you only appreciate someone after he's gone. I remember how much I valued Mig after seeing Karius rumble and stumble through the box. I hope I am wrong and Karius has grown, but I remain skeptic.


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      Reply #83: Aug 27, 2017 02:13:31 pm
      Migs ?

      Klopp is not stupid. He knows Migs failings and the points that have been dropped.
      Is Migs going to be transferred on the 31st ? Is someone else coming in?

      If a transfer has been arranged then we wouldn't want Migs injured before Thursday.

      Karius dropped a few clangers when he came in. That was to be expected . Different team and different league.

      Quality ? Don't forget he is a German international keeper.

      Danny was brilliant at Huddersfield in that promotion winning side. A revelation.

      I think he and Karius are capable of being the Red's keepers. 




      Interesting take on it Skip, IF indeed Jürgen has decided to move Migs on, why involve him in the season thus far,
      Surely he would have had Karius between the sticks giving him game time and familiarity...

      ...is there A other coming in ? Can't see that either since we have Danny Ward waiting in the wings...its a strange decision from the boss unless it's out of his control....

      Guess we'll find out soon enough?


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      Reply #84: Aug 27, 2017 02:13:48 pm
      No idea . Just speculating  Shabs .

      Thanks mate, it's fascinating the Boss dropping Mig as sh*t he has been for such a crucial game, I'm not comfortable with pundits such as Carra taking digs at Karius if he were to do a mistake or two in such an important game.

      We could do without the extra media spotlight attention especially with the VVD,Couthinho & lack of transfer activity..
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      Reply #85: Aug 27, 2017 02:20:50 pm
      Robertson had a baby (probably last 3-4hrs), posted it 1hr ago with him at hospital and holding her/him. Guess it'll be Moreno or Milner at left back.
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      Reply #86: Aug 27, 2017 02:21:03 pm
      Migs ?

      I got it....

      ....we're doing a deal with Soton....straight swop with Forster and their chucking VVD in as a sweetener..... once they get a letter of apology  :f_whistle:  ;D


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      Reply #87: Aug 27, 2017 02:22:15 pm
      Robertson had a baby (probably last 3-4hrs), posted it 1hr ago with him at hospital and holding her/him. Guess it'll be Moreno or Milner at left back.


      Another new signing 😁


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      Reply #88: Aug 27, 2017 02:23:53 pm
      Perhaps Klopp has seen something that we don't? What I do notice is we were giving the opposition free headers at our goal area in the last few games and perhaps Karius cold punch a few heads and ball (football) better?
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      Reply #89: Aug 27, 2017 02:24:49 pm
      Perhaps Klopp has seen something that we don't? What I do notice is we were giving the opposition free headers at our goal area in the last few games and perhaps Karius cold punch a few heads and ball (football) better?

      He's probably got his hands on those compromising photos Migs tends to collect on his managers :P
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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #90: Aug 27, 2017 02:28:20 pm
      He's probably got his hands on those compromising photos Migs tends to collect on his managers :P

      ;D.
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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #91: Aug 27, 2017 02:31:48 pm
      We've got a good few on this board who will be happy to see Migs out personally I sh*t myself every time there is a cross when Karius is between the posts. He plays smaller than his height which is not good condidering he is a bit shorter than your prototypical goal keeper. Fingers crossed he has grown some balls since he was last in the fray. Arsenal probably a better test as they are not likely to throw too many high balls or crosses in there.
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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #92: Aug 27, 2017 02:40:31 pm
      Can someone tell me why these type of news come out before the team line-up is revealed. We gave enough time for Arsenal to do a little research about Karius :(
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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #93: Aug 27, 2017 02:51:20 pm
      Migs isn't playing in goal today as he is playing at cb
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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #94: Aug 27, 2017 02:55:35 pm
      Migs ?

      Klopp is not stupid. He knows Migs failings and the points that have been dropped.
      Is Migs going to be transferred on the 31st ? Is someone else coming in?

      If a transfer has been arranged then we wouldn't want Migs injured before Thursday.

      Karius dropped a few clangers when he came in. That was to be expected . Different team and different league.

      Quality ? Don't forget he is a German international keeper.

      Danny was brilliant at Huddersfield in that promotion winning side. A revelation.

      I think he and Karius are capable of being the Red's keepers.
      No I didnt mean Migs but surely one will be sold or  loaned wont they ?
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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #95: Aug 27, 2017 02:56:15 pm
      Rumour from the street (with a pinch of salt):

      Karius starts
      Moreno starts
      Gomez starts

      For Arsenal

      Sanchez starts
      Lacazatte on bench   ???


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      Re: Pre Match Liverpool vs Arsenal Sunday 27th August 16:00 Kick off
      Reply #96: Aug 27, 2017 02:56:33 pm
      We've got a good few on this board who will be happy to see Migs out personally I sh*t myself every time there is a cross when Karius is between the posts. He plays smaller than his height which is not good condidering he is a bit shorter than your prototypical goal keeper. Fingers crossed he has grown some balls since he was last in the fray. Arsenal probably a better test as they are not likely to throw too many high balls or crosses in there.

      They will when Giroud comes on

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