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      Re: Thomas Lemar (Monaco)
      Reply #870: May 19, 2018 08:17:39 am
      I didn't hear an answer to my question.

      Lemar still worth 90m?
      i never thought he was worth 90m a year ago. 35m would be around his price tag.
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      Reply #871: May 19, 2018 08:19:45 am
      Not to stoke a fire but I remember people saying was Virgil worth 75m

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      Van Dijk had a lot more going for him. He is far more impressive than Lemar. Thankfully Klopp agreed. I know they're in different positions. Excellent defender beats possible talented forward.
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      Reply #872: May 19, 2018 09:27:08 am
      Van Dijk had a lot more going for him. He is far more impressive than Lemar. Thankfully Klopp agreed. I know they're in different positions. Excellent defender beats possible talented forward.

      Nope

      The question isn't the individual player..  the question is the price

      If the player is right the price is fairly irrelevant nowadays

      I personally am happy for the manager to just get who he wants.. we ultimately know very little in comparison to him

      Again as I said I remember people saying we shouldn't pay 75m for Virgil..  you can deny it all you like

      I remember you banging on for months that Chamberlain wasn't worth what we paid and that he is worth about 15m... no more.. We've been ripped off and he will flop

      Footballers price now is far too difficult to put context to so I wouldn't worry your pretty little head about what you think player A or player B should be worth

      If the manager wants a player and that's the player then in Klopps words

      I don't care too much about the price

      He may have no interest in Lemar.. but I imagine if he does and he's the difference maker next season he won't be hung up on the price too much.. just the player
      The price won't be the deciding factor
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      Reply #873: May 19, 2018 09:35:14 am
      I’ll go against the head in this one and say yeh I’d still love to have him here - I think he has enormous potential.

      Instead of Fekir? As well as?

      Dunno - but I certainly don’t feel the need to destroy him if we go another way. When he leaves Monaco someone has a helluva talent on their hands.
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      Reply #874: May 19, 2018 10:07:18 am
      Nope

      The question isn't the individual player..  the question is the price

      If the player is right the price is fairly irrelevant nowadays

      I personally am happy for the manager to just get who he wants.. we ultimately know very little in comparison to him

      Again as I said I remember people saying we shouldn't pay 75m for Virgil..  you can deny it all you like

      I remember you banging on for months that Chamberlain wasn't worth what we paid and that he is worth about 15m... no more.. We've been ripped off and he will flop

      Footballers price now is far too difficult to put context to so I wouldn't worry your pretty little head about what you think player A or player B should be worth

      If the manager wants a player and that's the player then in Klopps words

      I don't care too much about the price

      He may have no interest in Lemar.. but I imagine if he does and he's the difference maker next season he won't be hung up on the price too much.. just the player
      The price won't be the deciding factor
      Price is loosely connected. We thought we were going to get a reasonable forward in Salah, we got world class. It depends on how good they are in the team of sale rather than purchase. This goes without saying. Van Dijk shown his quality and 75m was reasonable. I was wrong about Ox because he was subpar at Arsenal. I rate him higher than Coutinho for Liverpool.  I could never rate Coutinho so highly when he's so subpar in defence. Look at the game Countinho scored a hat trick in. Barca lost 5-4. There were a lot of games we could have won 2-0 that we won 3-2..etc or drew instead... where am I going with this? It's an example that Coutinho didn't give us an overall improvement even with his wizardry. He went for 145m or something so sometimes player price is based on what they add to the team and forget what also gets removed... So now I can use this information to make a judgement in Lemar.

      A price tag of 90m was slapped on him after an average season because he played a belter in a friendly against England which got our attention, since then he's been subpar in a league of less quality than the premier league, so it looks like 90m was an attempt to fleece us out of money during a time of panic because of Coutinho. Kind of like Torres and Carrol.
      We didn't buy into the scam and Ox shone like a gem, anybody who pays 90m for Lemar now would be an utter moron. Sorry to be blunt but his season blown big time, and I repeat this was in a lower league. I would like to say that the sky is the limit for Lemar, but I just don't think it is. He had been picked for France in the world cup, so if he has a fantastic tournament there might be a good player in there, but that's not guaranteed, look Baros and Origi.

      Additionally he scores so much less goals than any of our current front 3. Would we really pay 90m for a backup?

      If Lemar was 30 million it's okay. For 90 million we can get much better value for money, so price is important in my opinion.
      This is only my opinion, maybe everyone thinks it's wrong but it's an opinion none the less.
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      Reply #875: May 19, 2018 10:19:32 am
      I’ll go against the head in this one and say yeh I’d still love to have him here - I think he has enormous potential.

      Instead of Fekir? As well as?

      Dunno - but I certainly don’t feel the need to destroy him if we go another way. When he leaves Monaco someone has a helluva talent on their hands.
      Fekir looks good. He looks like a stronger player in defence than most attacking midfielders. I've only seen him on YouTube though.
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      Reply #876: May 19, 2018 10:33:41 am
      . I've only seen him on YouTube though.

      There's your problem

      You rush to judge every player.. and often wrong

      You're still wrong in my opinion.

      You're just judging it on money (a made up fee at that) rather than just let the player come (whoever) and see what they can do

      Trust the manager's judgement.. rather than judge them before a ball is kicked and make yourself look daft (like with Chamberlain) and many people who did over other players including Virgil (on his price or the manager's patience in getting him)

      For me the manager could sign someone for 3 million  or 30 million or 90 million... I'll not be bothered one ounce on the price, I'll judge him on what I see.

      Money, valuations in the modern game is impossible to make a judgement on anymore.

      90 million may seem mad for Lemar to you.. Dembele to Barca may well have been a mad valuation.. but their ages a d the way money is going nowadays that money can be recouped pretty much even if it doesn't work out. Dembele probably made them a fortune in shirt sales for them too (mad like that as anyone who wears a footy shirt over the age of 14 needs to be on the register)
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      Reply #877: May 19, 2018 11:10:37 am
      There's your problem

      You rush to judge every player.. and often wrong

      You're still wrong in my opinion.

      You're just judging it on money (a made up fee at that) rather than just let the player come (whoever) and see what they can do

      Trust the manager's judgement.. rather than judge them before a ball is kicked and make yourself look daft (like with Chamberlain) and many people who did over other players including Virgil (on his price or the manager's patience in getting him)

      For me the manager could sign someone for 3 million  or 30 million or 90 million... I'll not be bothered one ounce on the price, I'll judge him on what I see.

      Money, valuations in the modern game is impossible to make a judgement on anymore.

      90 million may seem mad for Lemar to you.. Dembele to Barca may well have been a mad valuation.. but their ages a d the way money is going nowadays that money can be recouped pretty much even if it doesn't work out. Dembele probably made them a fortune in shirt sales for them too (mad like that as anyone who wears a footy shirt over the age of 14 needs to be on the register)

      I’ve never given a sh*t about whether we’ve overspent - only whether the gaffer (any gaffer) gets the men he wants.

      The great thing with Jürgen is we see that he won’t compromise - which is great.....

      On the wearing of kits over 14.......I’d have agreed with you a few years ago but both my lads hoover up tops to wear playing 5s with their mates and on match days so i now (reluctantly) accept its a bit more nuanced.........

      However they get tops only from me and have to pay for shorts etc themselves if they’re committed to a “full kit w**ker” life

      Besides a man who’s spent as much time in a monogrammed coaching kit as me has to be mindful 😳
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      Reply #878: May 19, 2018 11:40:19 am
      I’ve never watched him play so I’ve no idea and to be frank I don’t give sh*t, so long as the manager gets who he wants I’m happy.

      But jumping around into threads as you do baiting people is pure wummery.

      Give it a rest.

      In January people were up in arms we didn't pay 90million for this hype train. They deserve to be called out. I'm baiting no one, I'm holding people accountable.

      Speaking of which:

      I think he's a brilliant player but that also puts me off. He's a part of that team and he's therefore contributing to what's wrong at that club and he acts like he's above them all.

      Think he would be a perfect fit for our team though and would jump at the chance to have him.


      I’ve never watched him play so I’ve no idea and to be frank I don’t give sh*t, so long as the manager gets who he wants I’m happy.

      But jumping around into threads as you do baiting people is pure wummery.

      Something doesn't add up there does it...
       In August he's a 'brilliant player' and a 'perfect fit' and in May you've never seen him play??? Do you own a time machine?
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      Reply #879: May 19, 2018 11:45:51 am
      Give it a rest.

      In January people were up in arms we didn't pay 90million for this hype train. They deserve to be called out. I'm baiting no one, I'm holding people accountable.

      If I’m reading you right Mags - your point is not really a pop at the player as such.......more the reactionary clamour (from some) to spend £90m on a player they didn’t really know and whose agents were clearly agitating all over the shop?

      Yeh?
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      Reply #880: May 19, 2018 11:48:39 am
      F***ing people wanted us to add more depth to our squad

      Bad wankers 😏
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      Reply #881: May 19, 2018 11:54:34 am
      If I’m reading you right Mags - your point is not really a pop at the player as such.......more the reactionary clamour (from some) to spend £90m on a player they didn’t really know and whose agents were clearly agitating all over the shop?

      Yeh?


      Exactly right mate. I'm sure Lemar is a good player as he's got into the WC squad but I'm also sure a player who had a few months of form isn't worth 90million. His return of 2 league goals this season really highlights that.

      And as I've shown with Mr Willy, people were clambering to spend this money on a player they thought looked decent on YouTube and tried to pretend they're this football scholar who watches Ligue 1 every week and 'knows' he's a good fit for 90million.
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      Reply #882: May 19, 2018 11:56:46 am
      Not to stoke a fire but I remember people saying was Virgil worth 75m

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      He'd been one of the best performers in the league we play in for years. Lemar is not in the same boat.
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      Reply #883: May 19, 2018 12:05:53 pm
      Exactly right mate. I'm sure Lemar is a good player as he's got into the WC squad but I'm also sure a player who had a few months of form isn't worth 90million. His return of 2 league goals this season really highlights that.

      And as I've shown with Mr Willy, people were clambering to spend this money on a player they thought looked decent on YouTube and tried to pretend they're this football scholar who watches Ligue 1 every week and 'knows' he's a good fit for 90million.

      I getcha, I getcha.......but I still like him as a player mind  ;) :lmao:
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      Reply #884: May 19, 2018 12:10:18 pm
      I getcha, I getcha.......but I still like him as a player mind  ;) :lmao:

      :D

      Fair enough mate
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      Reply #885: May 19, 2018 12:12:01 pm
      I wouldn't mind me a bit of Lemar. Quick, agile, can play 8, 10 or 11 , but most importantly, he looks to be a fine footballer!
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      Reply #886: May 19, 2018 12:15:33 pm
      He'd been one of the best performers in the league we play in for years. Lemar is not in the same boat.

      You're going on simple numbers 

      Not what either you see with your own eyes or what our manager sees with his and could do with him

      Personally I'm just excited by whoever he chooses and I don't care what he pays

      Point being is people complained about Virgil.. (they did) but I trust the manager on whoever he brings in.. I back his judgement.
      It may well not be Lemar.. but I doubt the cost is what is the deciding factor for him
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      Reply #887: May 19, 2018 01:00:40 pm
      You're going on simple numbers 

      Not what either you see with your own eyes or what our manager sees with his and could do with him

      Personally I'm just excited by whoever he chooses and I don't care what he pays

      Point being is people complained about Virgil.. (they did) but I trust the manager on whoever he brings in.. I back his judgement.
      It may well not be Lemar.. but I doubt the cost is what is the deciding factor for him

      I 100% trust Klopp and back him. For example when we decided not to move for Lemar for an over inflated fee in January. Whoever we bring in will be the right fit. If it's Lemar, he's more than welcome.
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      Reply #888: May 19, 2018 01:03:05 pm
      I 100% trust Klopp and back him. For example when we decided not to move for Lemar for an over inflated fee in January. Whoever we bring in will be the right fit. If it's Lemar, he's more than welcome.

      Thats all you can and should do

      Rather than put little digs about money 👍
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      Reply #889: May 19, 2018 02:36:38 pm
      Thats all you can and should do

      Rather than put little digs about money 👍

      Nah, digs are part and parcel of debate. I’m not putting words in people’s mouths, just asking questions about what’s been said.
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      Reply #890: May 19, 2018 02:42:03 pm
      I’ll go against the head in this one and say yeh I’d still love to have him here - I think he has enormous potential.

      Instead of Fekir? As well as?

      Dunno - but I certainly don’t feel the need to destroy him if we go another way. When he leaves Monaco someone has a helluva talent on their hands.

      Agreed, cracking player in a club that has sold most of their talents, still think in the right environment he could be immense, he certainly looked to have the quality. I loved what I saw of Fekir as well but they seemed different in style, Lemar played left wing a lot of the time but I could see him making an attacking minded CM, he surely has the passing range and vision for that. Fekir looks more of a goal threat, someone who can be part of a front 3 or perhaps just behind the striker, but playing further forward. On paper at least I'd be ecstatic if we somehow got both! haha
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      Reply #891: May 19, 2018 02:45:15 pm
      Nah, digs are part and parcel of debate. I’m not putting words in people’s mouths, just asking questions about what’s been said.

      Digs are part and parcel of debate?

      😂

      Only for the immature

      You seem more interested in money than anything.. the money shouldn't matter to you whatsoever
      I really don't understand people getting their heads in a twist over what they perceive as value
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      Reply #892: May 19, 2018 03:31:34 pm
      Isn't the 90M the reported price tag because a desperate Arsenal came in late January and offered that to Monaco in hopes of getting him, only to be turned down by Lemar himself? Vague memories here. As for 90M itself, if Klopp things he's worth it then he's worth the 90M but i doubt he'd go for that much given the year he just had.
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      Reply #893: May 19, 2018 03:49:56 pm
      Digs are part and parcel of debate?

      😂

      Only for the immature

      You seem more interested in money than anything.. the money shouldn't matter to you whatsoever
      I really don't understand people getting their heads in a twist over what they perceive as value

      We don't have unlimited funds so money should be important. We can't just spunk away what we can't get back, so I see it as a poignant issue.

      And I'm well within my rights to have a jab at someone based on what they said. Everyone should be accountable for the things they say, like I said before, I'm not putting words in peoples mouths, just asking if they still stand by what they said. If we all went around going 'yes sir, yes madam' 'no that's fine it's your opinion and I won't comment' then the world would be f**king boring.
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      Reply #894: May 19, 2018 04:04:06 pm
      We don't have unlimited funds so money should be important. We can't just spunk away what we can't get back, so I see it as a poignant issue.

      And I'm well within my rights to have a jab at someone based on what they said. Everyone should be accountable for the things they say, like I said before, I'm not putting words in peoples mouths, just asking if they still stand by what they said. If we all went around going 'yes sir, yes madam' 'no that's fine it's your opinion and I won't comment' then the world would be f**king boring.

      Debate away..

      Digs and jabs at people's opinions? That's school yard stuff that

      I well aware we don't have an unlimited budget.. I'm just saying that whatever the manager deems right you should be sound with.
      Like 75m for Virgil..  52 for Naby. 40 for Chamberlain and if he wanted Lemar then what the f**k ever if he wants him

      You having a digat people because they want a certain player is simply childish

      The people who said they wanted him just want more options for the football club, just want to win things..  just because they don't act as mini accountants shouldn't mean they take digs and jabsfrom you.

      Like I say personally I've never seen the lad kick a ball so I don't give a f**k if we sign him or not... but I just think it's a bit off people taking digs at others because they want us to improve

      The question for me shouldn't be

      Haha where's all those mugs who wanted to pay 90m for this lad now?

      The question should always be, do you think he would improve us.. do you still think he would improve us

      Personally I'll take whoever the manager signs for whatever fee because I trust his judgement implicitly
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      Reply #895: May 19, 2018 04:14:32 pm
      Debate away..

      Digs and jabs at people's opinions? That's school yard stuff that

      I well aware we don't have an unlimited budget.. I'm just saying that whatever the manager deems right you should be sound with.
      Like 75m for Virgil..  52 for Naby. 40 for Chamberlain and if he wanted Lemar then what the f**k ever if he wants him

      You having a digat people because they want a certain player is simply childish

      The people who said they wanted him just want more options for the football club, just want to win things..  just because they don't act as mini accountants shouldn't mean they take digs and jabsfrom you.

      Like I say personally I've never seen the lad kick a ball so I don't give a f**k if we sign him or not... but I just think it's a bit off people taking digs at others because they want us to improve

      The question for me shouldn't be

      Haha where's all those mugs who wanted to pay 90m for this lad now?

      The question should always be, do you think he would improve us.. do you still think he would improve us

      Personally I'll take whoever the manager signs for whatever fee because I trust his judgement implicitly

      Ah well, you can think that, I'm more than happy to have a bit more give and take. It's not mean spirited and only meant to be banter like I'd have with my mates. For example my friend thought Martial was a bargain at 50mill, I'm not turning round to him and saying 'are you still of that opinion good sir', I'm calling him a wally and laughing and I expect the same back for the sh*t calls I make.

      Should we sign Lemar for 90million and he's worth every penny I fully expect 'Where's that Mags who thought we were mugs for thinking he's not worth it' and I'd deserve every bit of it, in fact it did start with 'Only a fool wouldn't be snapping up this lad now' so I'm happy to retort in kind as I've been doing. I hope I'm wrong however, for the time being though balls in my court about Lemar.
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      Reply #896: May 19, 2018 09:13:03 pm
      Give it a rest.

      In January people were up in arms we didn't pay 90million for this hype train. They deserve to be called out. I'm baiting no one, I'm holding people accountable.

      Speaking of which:


      Something doesn't add up there does it...
       In August he's a 'brilliant player' and a 'perfect fit' and in May you've never seen him play??? Do you own a time machine?

      Jesus, perhaps you’re the one with a time machine given your ability to go travel through post histories over the last year (or perhaps just too much time on your hands - try get some fresh air).

      Being honest, I’d probably seen him on YouTube but everyone on this forum will have spoken plenty of sh*t that contradicts themselves at some time or the other.

      As for this weird belief about you seem to have about being some kind of moral arbiter of the forum and your later posts about having digs at people for their opinions...well, that’s all the evidence needed that you’re a WUM. In fact, it’s pretty weird, but crack on fella :D
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      Reply #897: May 19, 2018 09:21:01 pm
      Jesus, perhaps you’re the one with a time machine given your ability to go travel through post histories over the last year (or perhaps just too much time on your hands - try get some fresh air).

      Being honest, I’d probably seen him on YouTube but everyone on this forum will have spoken plenty of sh*t that contradicts themselves at some time or the other.

      As for this weird belief about you seem to have about being some kind of moral arbiter of the forum and your later posts about having digs at people for their opinions...well, that’s all the evidence needed that you’re a WUM. In fact, it’s pretty weird, but crack on fella :D

      Not really that hard to search for things on here, took all of 5 minutes. Saying that I have been nursing a savage hangover today so literally do have nothing better to do.

      Moral arbiter. I like the sound of that. Think I'll keep it ;)

      Fact is I've been very active on here for over a decade (like yourself I think) and pay a yearly fee to the forum not because I'm a WUM but because I enjoy the debate on here. Do I push the boat out at times, yes of course, that's part of the fun of it so I do it on purpose, hyperbole makes things more interesting. Can't say I've been called a WUM before, don't see how having an opinion and hamming it home when it becomes more true makes me a WUM and not just someone who believes in his opinions. Alas, can't say I'll change my ways even if don't agree with them.
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      Reply #898: May 19, 2018 10:47:30 pm
      Not really that hard to search for things on here, took all of 5 minutes. Saying that I have been nursing a savage hangover today so literally do have nothing better to do.

      Moral arbiter. I like the sound of that. Think I'll keep it ;)

      Fact is I've been very active on here for over a decade (like yourself I think) and pay a yearly fee to the forum not because I'm a WUM but because I enjoy the debate on here. Do I push the boat out at times, yes of course, that's part of the fun of it so I do it on purpose, hyperbole makes things more interesting. Can't say I've been called a WUM before, don't see how having an opinion and hamming it home when it becomes more true makes me a WUM and not just someone who believes in his opinions. Alas, can't say I'll change my ways even if don't agree with them.

      Fair enough, apologies for misreading you if you weren’t baiting people.

      And stay out my post history, there’s a lot of sh*t in there I’m sure :D
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      Re: Thomas Lemar (Monaco)
      Reply #899: May 19, 2018 10:51:51 pm
      Fair enough, apologies for misreading you if you weren’t baiting people.

      And stay out my post history, there’s a lot of sh*t in there I’m sure :D

      :D

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