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      Ribapuru
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      Do players need shuffling?
      Sep 15, 2017 09:49:21 am
      I don't think we are making the best of our team. Our midfield is not creative enough, defence short on something and some strikers yet to get a game. We could shuffle players a bit. At the moment some quite good players are frozen out entirely.

      First XI

                    Salah    Sturridge  Mane

                        Firmino     Coutinho
                                   Lallana

                     TAA Hendo  Matip Moreno

                                    Karius

      B team.

                  Solanke   Ings  Woodburn
                 
                         Gini          Ox 
                                 Can

            Clyne  Lovren Gomez Robertson

                             Mignolet

      Hendo to defence? Firmino pushed back to attacking midfielder to make room for our benched strikers and add some creativity from the middle? Lallana to take up a central role like where Gerrard liked to play? Some of these players are unavailable right now, but we also have Grujic to fit in. I think a team shake up is really needed.

      EDIT: After criticism I came up with below.

                              Sturridge 
                       Salah              Coutinho
               
                                Firmino                                       
                         Can              Ox

                    Robbo Hendo Matip TAA

                                Karius

      This would be far more creative and I think Hendo might be better than Lovren as CB. I don't think Hendo has natural ability anywhere else.
      « Last Edit: Sep 15, 2017 03:54:47 pm by Ribapuru »
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      Re: Do players need shuffling?
      Reply #1: Sep 15, 2017 10:06:57 am
      Appreciate your thinking but

      A) you still havr Moreno in your team

      B) your midfield offers no protection to a shoddy looking back 4
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      Re: Do players need shuffling?
      Reply #2: Sep 15, 2017 10:10:05 am
      Appreciate your thinking but

      A) you still havr Moreno in your team

      B) your midfield offers no protection to a shoddy looking back 4
      still think some players can be shuffled, almost certain on Firmino and Hendo. As good as Firmino is at striking, we need more from the middle and we have very good benched strikers.
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      Reply #3: Sep 15, 2017 10:27:21 am
      Yea we need to shuffle Lovren and Klavan out of Liverpool.
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      Re: Do players need shuffling?
      Reply #4: Sep 15, 2017 10:28:20 am
      Good intentions in starting the post but some of the most ridiculous suggestions.

      Lallana as the deepest midfielder, Hendo as a defender?

      And you wonder why you get the piss taken!
      « Last Edit: Sep 15, 2017 12:35:51 pm by HScRed1 »
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      Re: Do players need shuffling?
      Reply #5: Sep 15, 2017 10:28:24 am
      I do don't think we are making the best of our team. Our midfield is not creative enough, defence short on something and some strikers yet to get a game. We could shuffle players a bit.

      First XI

                    Salah    Sturridge  Mane

                        Firmino     Coutinho
                                   Lallana

                     TAA Hendo  Matip Moreno

                                    Karius

      B team.

                  Solanke   Ings  Woodburn
                 
                         Gini          Ox 
                                 Can

            Clyne  Lovren Gomez Robertson

                             Mignolet

      Hendo to defence? Firmino pushed back to attacking midfielder to make room for our benched strikers and add some creativity from the middle? Lallana to take up a central role like where Gerrard liked to play? Some of these players are unavailable right now, but we also have Grujic to fit in. I think a team shake up is really needed.

      That first 11 defies all reason and logic.
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      Re: Do players need shuffling?
      Reply #6: Sep 15, 2017 10:41:15 am
      Good intentions in starting the post but some of the most ridiculous suggestions.

      Lallana as the deepest midfielder, Hendo as a defender?

      And you wonder why take the piss!
      Yes, I think Lallana can play as a central midfielder and Hendo as a defender.    Our current system is not performing and freezing good players out.
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      Reply #7: Sep 15, 2017 10:50:13 am
      Yes, I think Lallana can play as a central midfielder and Hendo as a defender.    Our current system is not performing and freezing good players out.

      What evidence do you have that Lallana can play as the deepest midfielder, if you hadn't noticed he already plays as a CM but as the most advanced of the 3.

      Point me to some examples of Hendo's play which suggest he can play CB.
      At least provide some serious information or thoughts to consider your suggestions.

      If you can't then stop making up fantasy stuff that only a 10 year old would do.

      You are changing the front 3 why? Are they not scoring enough.........

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      Re: Do players need shuffling?
      Reply #8: Sep 15, 2017 11:34:38 am
      I don't think we are making the best of our team. Our midfield is not creative enough, defence short on something and some strikers yet to get a game. We could shuffle players a bit. Quite good players are frozen out entirely.

      First XI

                    Salah    Sturridge  Mane

                        Firmino     Coutinho
                                   Lallana

                     TAA Hendo  Matip Moreno

                                    Karius

      B team.

                  Solanke   Ings  Woodburn
                 
                         Gini          Ox 
                                 Can

            Clyne  Lovren Gomez Robertson

                             Mignolet

      Hendo to defence? Firmino pushed back to attacking midfielder to make room for our benched strikers and add some creativity from the middle? Lallana to take up a central role like where Gerrard liked to play? Some of these players are unavailable right now, but we also have Grujic to fit in. I think a team shake up is really needed.

      I don't think Sturridge works in a three, he lacks the neccessary pace to make it affective. Lallana is an attacking midfielder so placing him as the deepest lying would be to maximise his weaknesses and minimise his strengths. Similarly, Henderson is no defender and not the answer to our defensive problems. The spirit of your post has merit but I have my doubts over the positioning of players you've suggested.
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      Re: Do players need shuffling?
      Reply #9: Sep 15, 2017 12:08:07 pm
      I don't think Sturridge works in a three, he lacks the neccessary pace to make it affective. Lallana is an attacking midfielder so placing him as the deepest lying would be to maximise his weaknesses and minimise his strengths. Similarly, Henderson is no defender and not the answer to our defensive problems. The spirit of your post has merit but I have my doubts over the positioning of players you've suggested.
      fair enough, but something's not right in Klopps selection. I don't believe for one second we've seen our best 11 yet. Sturridge ans Solanke benched and our midfield stinking of mediocrity means something can be adjusted.
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      Re: Do players need shuffling?
      Reply #10: Sep 15, 2017 12:29:24 pm
      I don't think we are making the best of our team. Our midfield is not creative enough, defence short on something and some strikers yet to get a game. We could shuffle players a bit. Quite good players are frozen out entirely.

      First XI

                    Salah    Sturridge  Mane

                        Firmino     Coutinho
                                   Lallana

                     TAA Hendo  Matip Moreno

                                    Karius

      B team.

                  Solanke   Ings  Woodburn
                 
                         Gini          Ox 
                                 Can

            Clyne  Lovren Gomez Robertson

                             Mignolet

      Hendo to defence? Firmino pushed back to attacking midfielder to make room for our benched strikers and add some creativity from the middle? Lallana to take up a central role like where Gerrard liked to play? Some of these players are unavailable right now, but we also have Grujic to fit in. I think a team shake up is really needed.

      You will saying we should try mignolet in goal nexr
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      Re: Do players need shuffling?
      Reply #11: Sep 15, 2017 12:33:48 pm
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      Reply #12: Sep 15, 2017 01:25:54 pm
      Can could work as CB too. I'd rather try other options than Lovren. We have plenty of players who can slot in the middle. That TAA change might be slightly ambitious, but I'd prefer it to our current midfield.
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      Reply #13: Sep 15, 2017 01:33:27 pm
      F***ing hell Can as a defender, wasn't this all tried by Brendan and it didn't work.
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      Reply #14: Sep 15, 2017 01:39:38 pm
      Can could work as CB too. I'd rather try other options than Lovren. We have plenty of players who can slot in the middle. That TAA change might be slightly ambitious, but I'd prefer it to our current midfield.

      How about Firmino to partner Matip!
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      Reply #15: Sep 15, 2017 03:35:35 pm
      Is 3-5-2 (or a variation) not a legit option?
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      Reply #16: Sep 15, 2017 03:45:39 pm
      How about Firmino to partner Matip!
      Not sure why I am getting flack about Firmino as ATM. He was an ATM before a striker. Here, this should address the concern about defensive cover, Hendo out the midfield, Lovren out of the defence and a significant boost in midfield with Firmino, whilst using what is on the bench to maximize our attack?

                               Sturridge 
                       Salah              Coutinho
               
                                Firmino                                       
                         Can             Ox

                  Robbo Hendo Matip TAA

                                Karius

                     
             

                     
      « Last Edit: Sep 15, 2017 03:52:01 pm by Ribapuru »
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      Re: Do players need shuffling?
      Reply #17: Sep 15, 2017 03:54:42 pm
      Not sure why I am getting flack about Firmino as ATM. He was an ATM before a striker. Here, this should address the concern about defensive cover, Hendo out the midfield, Lovren out of the defence and a significant boost in midfield with Firmino, whilst using what is on the bench to maximize our attack?

                               Sturridge 
                       Salah              Coutinho
               
                                Firmino                                       
                         Can             Ox

                  Robbo Hendo Matip TAA

                                Karius

                     
             

                     

      I am curious, why do you think Hendo can play CB?
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      Reply #18: Sep 15, 2017 04:00:07 pm
      I am curious, why do you think Hendo can play CB?
      as much as I think Hendo is awful as a deep lying player or CM, when he gets back he has made some important blocks. He has tackled from the back and has a 70%+ successful rate. Believe it or not, he has better defensive stats than our defenders and he isn't a defender. He's quite tall... I think he'd do a better job than Lovren or Klavan and a better job than Lucas did. It should be tried out. I've seen this kind if thing before Gareth Bale used to be a very awful full back before he was tried a forward... I honestly think Hendos qualies suit CB.
      « Last Edit: Sep 15, 2017 04:09:08 pm by Ribapuru »
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      Reply #19: Sep 15, 2017 04:01:44 pm

      I wonder if TAA ever trains at midfielder with the first team.
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      Reply #20: Sep 15, 2017 04:02:56 pm
      as much as I think Hendo is awful as a deep lying player or CM, when he gets back he has made some important blocks. He has tackles from the back and has a 70%+ successful rate. Believe it or not, he has better defensive stats than our defenders and he isn't a defender. He's quite tall... I think he'd do a better job than Lovren or Klavan and a better job than Lucas did.

      Behave yourself, Henderson is a midfielder, never a defender, hasn't got the composure to play centre-half.
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      Reply #21: Sep 15, 2017 04:06:53 pm
      Behave yourself, Henderson is a midfielder, never a defender, hasn't got the composure to play centre-half.
      funny you say that, because I think he hasn't got the composure of a midfielder. I think it is worth a try as CB in the league cup game.
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      Reply #22: Sep 15, 2017 04:55:27 pm
      Not sure why I am getting flack about Firmino as ATM. He was an ATM before a striker. Here, this should address the concern about defensive cover, Hendo out the midfield, Lovren out of the defence and a significant boost in midfield with Firmino, whilst using what is on the bench to maximize our attack?

                               Sturridge 
                       Salah              Coutinho
               
                                Firmino                                       
                         Can             Ox

                  Robbo Hendo Matip TAA

                                Karius

                     
             

                     

      I understand that you are trying to solve the problems from within, but Firmino has scored 4 goals in 6 appearances want do you want from him blood!   Ok then you put him into his sort called natural position and put Moreno on the right and Henderson in defence.  Most people like playing players in their natural position only change in extreme circumstance.   Now our defence is and has been a nightmare but your suggestions are making the defence far more weaker.  And why would you want to change our attack it is so far one of the best in the league.    Our balance in the team is weighted towards attack and in most of your suggestions it seems that you are trying to field more attacking players is that not for the last 20 mins if we are having an off day. 

      I understand what you are trying to do but the truth is:

      We are a defender short for our first team:
      We don't have a goalie that is good enough:
      Our midfielders don't give security to our defence:

      Short term  quick fix we could do with a Centre half with 3 legs, ;D!

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