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      Malfunctioning Midfield

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      Re: Malfunctioning Midfield
      Reply #125: Nov 01, 2021 09:56:45 am
      I dont think our squad can carry Ox Naby Elliott and Jones.

      In an ideal world I think Hendo and Fab are first choice and 1 of those more attacking players slots in with them. If Hendo or Fab miss out then Jürgen looks to Thiago or Milner to play as one of the 2 work horses/controllers. 

      I think since Gini left we lost a very solid option that Jürgen trusted and never replaced that.

      If money is a barrier and there's every chance it is, then one of Naby, Ox or Jones can be moved on for me because we seem to have 4 luxury midfielders and 4 controlling influences at the moment and for a Jürgen team the balance looks wrong seeing as he likes to play 2 and sometimes 3 solid midfielders at any one time depending on the size of the game and standard of opposition.
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      Reply #126: Nov 01, 2021 10:18:23 am
      Agree ox is probably gone in the summer.

      If there is a deal to be in January window for a decent midfielder im sure the club will act.

      It all looks worse than it is though, due to freak injury to young elliott and all these small injuries coming at the same time.
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      Reply #127: Nov 01, 2021 10:36:51 am
      I think since Gini left we lost a very solid option that Jürgen trusted and never replaced that.

      Maybe it’s a pity that wasn’t followed through.

      I’m wondering at that point in time, who could be the player we should have made a move for? I’d then say it’s the scouting team’s job to go find that player.

      How do we know if they didn’t attempt to find that player? We don’t know, unless someone from the scouting team could come out to explain and clarify.

      We don’t know enough. We only know that there wasn’t a like for like direct replacement. Maybe they did attempt to find cover but the suitable player wasn’t available or was priced out of the market or such a player didn’t show enough capability to be worth the spending.

      There’s a lot of us saying that the owners are not trying hard enough etc. etc. But we really don’t not know enough… it’s so easy to take a big spending club to compare ourselves with, and say we are not keeping up.

      And yes we have never matched up with them at all. Yet we got the champions wall updated as well. We’ve done it the cheaper way. Perhaps not ideal. But to me it’s smart. We don’t just go out there to buy the trophies.
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      Reply #128: Nov 01, 2021 11:19:36 am
      Maybe it’s a pity that wasn’t followed through.

      I’m wondering at that point in time, who could be the player we should have made a move for? I’d then say it’s the scouting team’s job to go find that player.

      How do we know if they didn’t attempt to find that player? We don’t know, unless someone from the scouting team could come out to explain and clarify.

      We don’t know enough. We only know that there wasn’t a like for like direct replacement. Maybe they did attempt to find cover but the suitable player wasn’t available or was priced out of the market or such a player didn’t show enough capability to be worth the spending.

      There’s a lot of us saying that the owners are not trying hard enough etc. etc. But we really don’t not know enough… it’s so easy to take a big spending club to compare ourselves with, and say we are not keeping up.

      And yes we have never matched up with them at all. Yet we got the champions wall updated as well. We’ve done it the cheaper way. Perhaps not ideal. But to me it’s smart. We don’t just go out there to buy the trophies.

      There’s a balance though between buying trophies and investing to remain competitive.

      I don’t think replacing Gino could be construed as an attempt to ‘buy trophies’.

      Said in the summer, going into the season with Ox, Keita, Thiago, Henderson in the midfield, plus an ageing Milner would be a tough ask due to their injury records. That’s not even including Fab who has also had his fair share on injuries.

      Saying that, I still believe it will take a very good team to beat us to the two big trophies this year but right now the midfield is a weak point and it needs rectifying IMO.
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      Reply #129: Nov 01, 2021 12:13:05 pm
      We need Fabinho so fit and so soon! He makes everything click.
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      Reply #130: Nov 01, 2021 12:20:55 pm
      We need Fabinho so fit and so soon! He makes everything click.

      Fabinho is the key. Problem is he picks up injuries quite often as well.

      Numbers wise we are still ok and again a bit like last season have been struck with multiple injuries in one area at the same time.

      Chamberlain for me has probably run his course here and any hope I had he could rekindle some form for us has gone.

      Once we get Fab and Thiago back we'll be in a lot stronger position though.
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      Reply #131: Nov 01, 2021 12:29:51 pm
      Klopp dints sound to optimistic about Fab being back for next couple of games, maybe after international break for him.

      Thiago back in training though. Hopefully ready for the weekend.

      I wonder if klopp would consider playing kostas & Robbo in same team Wednesday, push Robbo up into MF, or play a 3 at the back, kind of how scotland deal with KT & Robbo. ?
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      Reply #132: Nov 01, 2021 12:40:13 pm
      Madness we didn’t adress this in the summer. Not only are we reliant on injury prone players in Keita, Ox, Fab, Thiago and Henderson to a degree we never replaced the number void left by Gini.

      Seems we learnt nothing from our defensive injury crisis last season.
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      Reply #133: Nov 01, 2021 12:42:43 pm
      Yeah seems like what happened last year is coming back to haunt us, and I won’t hear any of this ‘how were we suppose to know we’d lose so many players’ sh*te people say, it was predictable last season when it happened, so this season it was a given it was going to happen with the injury prone players there, we just all got caught up in the hope Keita would stay fit.
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      Reply #134: Nov 01, 2021 12:45:00 pm
      Klopp dints sound to optimistic about Fab being back for next couple of games, maybe after international break for him.

      Thiago back in training though. Hopefully ready for the weekend.

      I wonder if klopp would consider playing kostas & Robbo in same team Wednesday, push Robbo up into MF, or play a 3 at the back, kind of how scotland deal with KT & Robbo. ?

      I would rather push Trent into midfield over Robbo and play Gomez or Neco at RB.
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      Reply #135: Nov 01, 2021 01:01:14 pm
      Madness we didn’t adress this in the summer. Not only are we reliant on injury prone players in Keita, Ox, Fab, Thiago and Henderson to a degree we never replaced the number void left by Gini.

      Seems we learnt nothing from our defensive injury crisis last season.

      Elliott was clearly filling the void left by Gini
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      Reply #136: Nov 01, 2021 01:34:49 pm
      Elliott was clearly filling the void left by Gini
      As good as he is, the lad is a kid and you couldn’t expect him to show that form all year through, and everyone else is injury prone… it was obvious we needed midfield cover and I think we all got a little ahead of ourselves with the form Elliott was showing and the hope we had Keita had turned a corner… reality has slapped us in the face again and brought us back down to Earth and reminded us of what we all knew in the summer, we needed a midfielder.
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      Reply #137: Nov 01, 2021 01:42:15 pm
      Madness we didn’t adress this in the summer. Not only are we reliant on injury prone players in Keita, Ox, Fab, Thiago and Henderson to a degree we never replaced the number void left by Gini.

      Seems we learnt nothing from our defensive injury crisis last season.

      Is it madness though?

      We have 8 options for CM positions going into the season and to sign another would mean one moving on which didn't seem an option.

      In a 25 man squad there's only a limited amount of spaces for each position.
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      Reply #138: Nov 01, 2021 01:43:17 pm
      Hopefully we sign Jude Bellingham in the Summer and that will sort our midfield next season.
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      Reply #139: Nov 01, 2021 01:48:03 pm
      Elliott was clearly filling the void left by Gini

      Speaking of Harvey he looked to be moving pretty good after the game Saturday so looks like his rehab is going well.

      Fingers crossed he will he back playing by the spring.
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      Reply #140: Nov 01, 2021 01:52:16 pm
      I would rather push Trent into midfield over Robbo and play Gomez or Neco at RB.

      Could do that as well aye.
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      Reply #141: Nov 01, 2021 01:54:07 pm
      As good as he is, the lad is a kid and you couldn’t expect him to show that form all year through, and everyone else is injury prone… it was obvious we needed midfield cover and I think we all got a little ahead of ourselves with the form Elliott was showing and the hope we had Keita had turned a corner… reality has slapped us in the face again and brought us back down to Earth and reminded us of what we all knew in the summer, we needed a midfielder.


      We still have 8 in the squad plus any other youngsters from the Academy


      Thiago will be back this week


      I don’t think it’s panic stations yet and finger pointing at what we should have done in the summer. Elliott wasn’t going to play every game but he was certainly filling the spot



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      Reply #142: Nov 01, 2021 02:54:58 pm
      I dont think our squad can carry Ox Naby Elliott and Jones.

      In an ideal world I think Hendo and Fab are first choice and 1 of those more attacking players slots in with them. If Hendo or Fab miss out then Jürgen looks to Thiago or Milner to play as one of the 2 work horses/controllers. 

      I think since Gini left we lost a very solid option that Jürgen trusted and never replaced that.

      If money is a barrier and there's every chance it is, then one of Naby, Ox or Jones can be moved on for me because we seem to have 4 luxury midfielders and 4 controlling influences at the moment and for a Jürgen team the balance looks wrong seeing as he likes to play 2 and sometimes 3 solid midfielders at any one time depending on the size of the game and standard of opposition.

      "Carrying Elliott"

      GTFO with that bullshit.
      Ox for me is the one where he doesn't be able to perform as required.
      The right signing, one signing, is all that's needed.
      I'm sure it's being looked at.

      I'd love to see the answer be Keita but he seems cursed with injuries.
      Having a player that was always available, like Gini, is priceless.
      But then not all clubs have the resources of PSG to throw around at wages.
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      Reply #143: Nov 01, 2021 03:01:37 pm
      "Carrying Elliott"

      GTFO with that bullshit.
      Ox for me is the one where he doesn't be able to perform as required.
      The right signing, one signing, is all that's needed.
      I'm sure it's being looked at.

      I'd love to see the answer be Keita but he seems cursed with injuries.
      Having a player that was always available, like Gini, is priceless.
      But then not all clubs have the resources of PSG to throw around at wages.


      I keep willing Ox to show the play he did before that injury but it’s just not there consistently enough - he played a great ball in for the Mane go but he just seems to be trying things that make he stand out and it’s not working for him.


      I have no doubt that if a bid for Ox comes in then he is gone and I think he will be in the summer with someone coming in


      If it’s Hendo , Ox and Jones on Wednesday then they need to be disciplined and just do the ugly needed stuff
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      Reply #144: Nov 01, 2021 03:02:48 pm
      Just drop Konate in midfield … smash them all he will… 😂
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      Reply #145: Nov 01, 2021 03:07:44 pm

      I keep willing Ox to show the play he did before that injury but it’s just not there consistently enough - he played a great ball in for the Mane go but he just seems to be trying things that make he stand out and it’s not working for him.


      I have no doubt that if a bid for Ox comes in then he is gone and I think he will be in the summer with someone coming in


      If it’s Hendo , Ox and Jones on Wednesday then they need to be disciplined and just do the ugly needed stuff

      The only player I think is a "luxury" at the moment is Jones.
      Thrown in at the deep end really because we're out of options and that's where discipline needs working on.
      This could all resolve itself next week with Fabinho and Thiago back but it does seem on a knife edge,
      again down to policy on signings but I think also unlucky with the Elliott injury.
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      Reply #146: Nov 01, 2021 07:09:04 pm
      The only player I think is a "luxury" at the moment is Jones.
      Thrown in at the deep end really because we're out of options and that's where discipline needs working on.
      This could all resolve itself next week with Fabinho and Thiago back but it does seem on a knife edge,
      again down to policy on signings but I think also unlucky with the Elliott injury.


      https://twitter.com/lfc/status/1455249222811389955?s=21


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      Reply #147: Nov 01, 2021 07:18:38 pm

      Great to see need them both getting minutes especially Thiago  Wednesday before West Ham game
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      Reply #148: Nov 01, 2021 10:20:51 pm
      Fabinho is the key. Problem is he picks up injuries quite often as well.

      Numbers wise we are still ok and again a bit like last season have been struck with multiple injuries in one area at the same time.

      Chamberlain for me has probably run his course here and any hope I had he could rekindle some form for us has gone.

      Once we get Fab and Thiago back we'll be in a lot stronger position though.




      The wise one has spoken...well said Si...all this talk of reverting back to square pegs in round holes, c'mon lads really?
      We can't have Robbo or Trent pushed up, we can't have Gomez as a makeshift RB, same as we won't see Joe as DM as I alluded to once recently,  me hypocritical, maybe?
      But look at where we're at and the opposition we have faced whilst our main engine is having a refit,  second only three behind Chavs,  yes it could have better, yes we have given away 2 goal leads,  and of course we will be better going forward, 

      Carrying,  is perhaps too strong a word FOAR used in his post but let's be honest,  Alex is on borrowed time, Curtis is remember still learning his trade and wee Harvey is a year behind him...

      Hendo,  Fabinho and Thiago is our strongest trio imo,  we are better balanced,  more solid and have creativity,  you'll be happy with that trio V City or Chavs, but against your bus parkers and the like chuck wee Harvey in rather than Thiago and let him link up with Mo ahead or Trent running into channels and watch that trifecta create absolute havoc , similar on the left putting Keita link with Mane & Robbo, of course we all need them fit enough to play, we've once again simply been unlucky with the timing of the tge injuries and to whom,
      But we are coming through it, Thiago back training Fabinho probably a week behind him and we all hope of course Harvey comes back in ready for the run in,
      We're second 3 behind but we're yet to reach our peak, We're operating in 3rd/4th gear , give some thought to our current state, CL Knock out imminent and totally in the title race, and scoring lots of goals from all over not just the three amigo's,  is that fella Lukaku remember him, is his consistently on a par with Mo ? and you can the same about any other forward in Europe, 

      I'm rambling now fairy muff, but we're miles off square pegs in round holes,  unless you were all alluding to MUtants,  in which case please accept my humblest appologgies!!



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      Re: Malfunctioning Midfield
      Reply #149: Nov 02, 2021 08:19:05 am
      I think Jones is a talent, but, He looks like a player who believes all the hype written about him, and that he 'has made it'. Well he has to a certain degree, but he does look like he overdoes it sometimes, like he's superior to those opponents in front of him. He has great performances occasionally, then goes backwards with trying to do too much, too many touches, too much trickery, and to often loses possession, or travels 10 yards forwards, then has  turn and play the ball back 30 yards too get out of trouble.  Just not consistent enough with the good performances, and defensively, goes missing as well. On counters, he's usually 10 yards behind the ball, and not exactly busting a gut to get back.
      It may all knit together as time goes on, but I think he does get carried in some matches.

      Consistency is the word.

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