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      Re: Malfunctioning Midfield
      Reply #150: Nov 02, 2021 09:42:42 am
      Fab is back in training.

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      Reply #151: Nov 02, 2021 10:04:39 am
      I think Jones is a talent, but, He looks like a player who believes all the hype written about him, and that he 'has made it'. Well he has to a certain degree, but he does look like he overdoes it sometimes, like he's superior to those opponents in front of him. He has great performances occasionally, then goes backwards with trying to do too much, too many touches, too much trickery, and to often loses possession, or travels 10 yards forwards, then has  turn and play the ball back 30 yards too get out of trouble.  Just not consistent enough with the good performances, and defensively, goes missing as well. On counters, he's usually 10 yards behind the ball, and not exactly busting a gut to get back.
      It may all knit together as time goes on, but I think he does get carried in some matches.

      Consistency is the word.




      Consistency is a word mate and I’ll use another, experience, and you can only get both by playing regularly I see where your coming in regards to Curtis still making mistakes whether that’s overplaying or believing he’s made it, I don’t think the latter applies though, if Jürgen thought so he wouldn’t be playing, nobody is above their station, I just think it’s youthful exuberance, he wants to do so well and being scouse compounds that exuberance, he’ll settle down given time, there’s probably still a bit of’ I can’t believe I’m actually here’ kind of deal when he looks around the dressing  room, rubbing shoulders with his heroes,

      He’s a very good prospect is our Curtis, but some flowers take longer to bloom, and it does show in some aspects of his game, nothing major, just little creases that will iron out through time, he’s in a good place and it won’t take long for him to blossom.




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      Re: Malfunctioning Midfield
      Reply #152: Nov 02, 2021 10:32:07 am
      Curtis is doing fine. He will learn, he reminds me of Trent a bit in his development. The fact that he is so willing to try things shows he has confidence which you can’t always teach.  That will serve him well.
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      Re: Malfunctioning Midfield
      Reply #153: Nov 02, 2021 01:16:55 pm
      As good as he is, the lad is a kid and you couldn’t expect him to show that form all year through, and everyone else is injury prone… it was obvious we needed midfield cover and I think we all got a little ahead of ourselves with the form Elliott was showing and the hope we had Keita had turned a corner… reality has slapped us in the face again and brought us back down to Earth and reminded us of what we all knew in the summer, we needed a midfielder.

      A kid? Trent was one, Owen, Gerrard, Fowler and so many others. Yes, Elliott had his place cemented based on performance and form.

      For me, everyone fit would play: Fab, Thiago and Hendo.
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      Reply #154: Nov 02, 2021 03:10:12 pm
      I forgot to add in Milner so we do have experienced cover but right now we have 4 midfielders crocked. I doubt you will get someone of Fab or Thiago to come in and sit on the bench waiting for the next injury. We did make a mistake last season with the CB's but I am not sure this is the same at all. A player of Ox's experience should be able to so a job but he seems to be lacking something and its stopping him claiming a starting spot. If Fab is back tomorrow it will make all the difference in the wolrd
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      Re: Malfunctioning Midfield
      Reply #155: Nov 02, 2021 03:46:01 pm
      A kid? Trent was one, Owen, Gerrard, Fowler and so many others. Yes, Elliott had his place cemented based on performance and form.

      For me, everyone fit would play: Fab, Thiago and Hendo.
      Yeah he did, but it would be foolish and irresponsible to think a 18 year old, playing in a new position, could keep up that amazing start to the season and was the answer to losing Gini...   
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      Reply #156: Nov 02, 2021 03:47:16 pm
      Just been an unlucky month or so with Injuries in the position.

      Starting look up now with Fab & thiago back.

      Milner & Naby will be back after international break, then klopp will have too many to choose from. ;D

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      Re: Malfunctioning Midfield
      Reply #157: Nov 02, 2021 04:21:59 pm
      [Neil Jones] Jürgen Klopp says Naby Keita [hamstring] “will be out for a while.”

      So gets taken out by Pogba in a nasty tackle and that doesn't sideline but another muscle injury does. Crazy.
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      Reply #158: Nov 02, 2021 09:37:33 pm
      So gets taken out by Pogba in a nasty tackle and that doesn't sideline but another muscle injury does. Crazy.

      Nothing crazy about a hamstring injury!
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      Re: Malfunctioning Midfield
      Reply #159: Nov 03, 2021 01:57:52 pm
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      Pretty sure Trent can do a job in MF, maybe a very good one. If Neco can't do a job at RB, then we need to sign a RB anyway in my opinion, more urgently than a midfielder, and it would kill that second bird with the one stone.

      We have players that can play in different positions, but Trent is not one of them. England tried him in midfield recently against one of the pub teams in their group and by all accounts, it didn't work. So we can't risk it. The England coach can now use the failure of the experiment, to justify not picking him.

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      Yet I’m sure we’d all happily swap places with the Chavs who are ahead of us despite losing a game.
      Unfortunately when you draw 40% of your first 10 games, a defeat doesn’t make a huge amount of difference because City have lost twice but are only 2 points behind us so I don’t look too much into unbeaten runs.

      Arsenal went a whole season unbeaten but still failed to achieve a points total as high as what us and City have done despite losing games.

      With having more options in defence than the midfield at the moment and the midfield looking vulnerable on days like today, we should’ve gone gone for Matip in place of Jones for 3 CBs and wing backs when it was 2-1. Trent and Robbo would’ve been an extra number to help out in the midfield without the defence being left too exposed. I know Klopp doesn’t like that formation but there’s a reason why we’ve conceded so many whilst Chelsea have conceded so few and that’s it.

      After 10 games last year, we had conceded 16 goals. This year at the same point it's less than 1 per game. We haven't conceded many, in fact it's the third best defensive record in the league, despite 5 midfielders all in the treatment room at once.

      Sure we'd all love to swap places with Chelsea, but we'd all swap places to face Newcastle and Norwich every week. In a very easy group in. Europe, 3 of their 4 games have finished 1-0. When they had to face City, they set up to nick a 1 goal win as they usually do, and lost. There will be more where that came from as the season goes on. All we can do is put ourselves in the position to take full advantage when the time comes.
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      Re: Malfunctioning Midfield
      Reply #160: Nov 03, 2021 07:54:46 pm
      After 10 games last year, we had conceded 16 goals.

      Alisson has also been forced to make more saves at this stage of a season than in any of his previous ones with us up to now. It doesn't always matter how many goals you concede in the number of games, it's how many you concede in individual games and conceding 5 goals in games vs Brentford and Brighton has cost us 4 points so far. The only reason we haven't concede more goals than we already have this season is because Alisson is saving us most weeks.
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      Reply #161: Nov 19, 2021 05:14:30 pm
      Its not going to get any better with the injuries picked up with the internationals. I went early last season when everyone was still worried about a title race but this season is in very serious danger of going the same way. Throw in the AFCON and by February a top 4 battle could be on the cards again.
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      Re: Malfunctioning Midfield
      Reply #162: Nov 21, 2021 12:41:43 pm
      For me when all fit it has to be Fabinho, Thiago and one other.

      Those two give us the base and right blend in the 6 and the deeper of the 8 and Chamberlain as the more advanced 8 made me eat my words and was perfect for that role yesterday.
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      Reply #163: Nov 21, 2021 01:10:38 pm
      For me when all fit it has to be Fabinho, Thiago and one other.

      Those two give us the base and right blend in the 6 and the deeper of the 8 and Chamberlain as the more advanced 8 made me eat my words and was perfect for that role yesterday.

      It's weird how things turn, Thiago and ox now covering for injured players and looking so classy. Going to be interesting when milner, naby and Jones are fit again. Options options. 😁
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      Reply #164: Nov 21, 2021 01:27:56 pm
      It's weird how things turn, Thiago and ox now covering for injured players and looking so classy. Going to be interesting when milner, naby and Jones are fit again. Options options. 😁

      For me, Jones is battling for a position with Morton on the bench. Absolutely no chance he gets anywhere near that midfield given his form this season and how badly exposed we've looked with him in the midfield. He needs to work very hard on the training pitch if he's got a long term future at the club in my opinion.
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      Reply #165: Nov 21, 2021 01:43:14 pm
      For me, Jones is battling for a position with Morton on the bench. Absolutely no chance he gets anywhere near that midfield given his form this season and how badly exposed we've looked with him in the midfield. He needs to work very hard on the training pitch if he's got a long term future at the club in my opinion.

      Luckily for jones morton plays in different position. ;D

      Jones will be rotated with naby & ox.

      Hopefully jones is back soo, so there is at least the option.
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      Reply #166: Nov 21, 2021 02:04:07 pm
      Don't get me wrong. Thiago is a very good player, but am I the only one frustrated by the fact that he loses the ball too often and puts us in dangerous positions? Sometimes, he passes the ball with not enough power, and we lose it and the ofter team gets an occasion for counterattack. And I believe that since he is not that good defensively, we are too much exposed.

      The trio Thiago-Fabinho-Hendo seems to be balanced just right but Thiago needs to convince me that he deserves to start.
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      Reply #167: Nov 21, 2021 02:05:56 pm
      Don't get me wrong. Thiago is a very good player, but am I the only one frustrated by the fact that he loses the ball too often and puts us in dangerous positions? Sometimes, he passes the ball with not enough power, and we lose it and the ofter team gets an occasion for counterattack. And I believe that since he is not that good defensively, we are too much exposed.

      The trio Thiago-Fabinho-Hendo seems to be balanced just right but Thiago needs to convince me that he deserves to start.

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      Reply #168: Nov 21, 2021 02:26:40 pm
      It's weird how things turn, Thiago and ox now covering for injured players and looking so classy. Going to be interesting when milner, naby and Jones are fit again. Options options. 😁

      Thiago isn’t cover, he’s a starter when healthy regardless of options 🙂

      But as far as Ox, however, when others are back he goes to the bench as he’d be behind Thiago, Hendo and Keita given health.
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      Reply #169: Nov 21, 2021 02:29:10 pm
      I’m intrigued by Morton and hope he gets minutes against Porto and with the main team in the league. Seems to be a good player there who would be great to have as a Fab backup option.
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      Reply #170: Nov 21, 2021 03:44:26 pm
      Thiago isn’t cover, he’s a starter when healthy regardless of options 🙂

      But as far as Ox, however, when others are back he goes to the bench as he’d be behind Thiago, Hendo and Keita given health.

      Agree 100%

      It's Fabinho, Thiago and one other for me when all fit and healthy.

      On form this season the third is Keita
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      Reply #171: Nov 21, 2021 03:49:02 pm
      Luckily for jones morton plays in different position. ;D

      Jones will be rotated with naby & ox.

      Hopefully jones is back soo, so there is at least the option.

      Not by much. I'd rather have an extra defensive midfield option on the bench than a more forward facing player. No way is Jones being rotated if Naby and Ox are fully fit. Those two will swap occasionally but Jones will (and should be) just a bench player at best. No way can we afford the sort of displays that cost us so badly against Brighton and Brentford.
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      Reply #172: Nov 21, 2021 03:52:13 pm
      Agree 100%

      It's Fabinho, Thiago and one other for me when all fit and healthy.

      On form this season the third is Keita

      For me, I’d go Elliott as the 3rd personally. I know he’d only played a handful of games but for me there was just something about his performances so far where you just know he’s going to get better and better whilst being consistent. Not sure Keita offers us any sort of consistency because as likely as he is to have a good game, he’s just as likely to have a mare and get hooked at half time.
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      Reply #173: Nov 21, 2021 03:53:15 pm
      For me, I’d go Elliott as the 3rd personally. I know he’d only played a handful of games but for me there was just something about his performances so far where you just know he’s going to get better and better whilst being consistent. Not sure Keita offers us any sort of consistency because as likely as he is to have a good game, he’s just as likely to have a mare and get hooked at half time.

      Agree actually.

      Had discounted Elliott due to the injury as despite the recent photos of him I doubt he'll be anywhere near ready soon.
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      Re: Malfunctioning Midfield
      Reply #174: Nov 21, 2021 03:55:47 pm
      Thiago isn’t cover, he’s a starter when healthy regardless of options 🙂

      But as far as Ox, however, when others are back he goes to the bench as he’d be behind Thiago, Hendo and Keita given health.

      Agreed. I only meant in terms of how weird things have turned out with injuries, 2 of the most injury prone players now covering for the rest. ;D

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