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      Re: Malfunctioning Midfield
      Reply #175: Nov 21, 2021 03:57:11 pm
      Not by much. I'd rather have an extra defensive midfield option on the bench than a more forward facing player. No way is Jones being rotated if Naby and Ox are fully fit. Those two will swap occasionally but Jones will (and should be) just a bench player at best. No way can we afford the sort of displays that cost us so badly against Brighton and Brentford.

      Bit harsh on jones, still learning his trade.

      Agreed though that fully fit naby & ox are ahead of him.
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      Reply #176: Nov 21, 2021 03:58:50 pm
      For me, I’d go Elliott as the 3rd personally. I know he’d only played a handful of games but for me there was just something about his performances so far where you just know he’s going to get better and better whilst being consistent. Not sure Keita offers us any sort of consistency because as likely as he is to have a good game, he’s just as likely to have a mare and get hooked at half time.

      The stats say otherwise for naby, whenever he does start we generally play well and win.

      Hes so unlucky he was really playing well, until this latest Injury. Luckily its not serious and he will be playing again soon.
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      Reply #177: Nov 21, 2021 04:10:53 pm
      Fab and Thiago with Keita further forward pressing and scoring ability far greater than others
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      Reply #178: Nov 21, 2021 04:16:34 pm
      For me, I’d go Elliott as the 3rd personally. I know he’d only played a handful of games but for me there was just something about his performances so far where you just know he’s going to get better and better whilst being consistent. Not sure Keita offers us any sort of consistency because as likely as he is to have a good game, he’s just as likely to have a mare and get hooked at half time.

      Don’t disagree about Elliott, but when Keita has played as the most advanced midfielder we haven’t had to worry about half time hooks. He terrorizes the opposition when he’s focused on pressing and creating.
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      Re: Malfunctioning Midfield
      Reply #179: Nov 21, 2021 05:18:27 pm
      Don't get me wrong. Thiago is a very good player, but am I the only one frustrated by the fact that he loses the ball too often and puts us in dangerous positions? Sometimes, he passes the ball with not enough power, and we lose it and the ofter team gets an occasion for counterattack. And I believe that since he is not that good defensively, we are too much exposed.

      The trio Thiago-Fabinho-Hendo seems to be balanced just right but Thiago needs to convince me that he deserves to start.


      Sorry - is the is a serious post 😂
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      Reply #180: Nov 22, 2021 02:59:03 am

      Yes. I'm serious. Thiago loses the ball often. And I don't think that he's good defensively, at least not much better at tackling than Fab, Hendo, Keita or even Ox - who seems to win possession more frequently than Thiago. He's an incredible player, but I'm not sure if he deserves to start every game if Keita is fit, for example.
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      Reply #181: Nov 22, 2021 08:12:54 am
      Yes. I'm serious. Thiago loses the ball often. And I don't think that he's good defensively, at least not much better at tackling than Fab, Hendo, Keita or even Ox - who seems to win possession more frequently than Thiago. He's an incredible player, but I'm not sure if he deserves to start every game if Keita is fit, for example.

      Really interesting that we watch the same game but have such different opinions. I thought Thiago was absolutely superb off the ball in terms of pressing and used it brilliantly to get our front three into the game. Stats show it as well.

      I think we're unbeaten in 12 when we've managed to put Fab and Thiago out on the same pitch. If we're to keep pace with Chelsea and City this season it's crucial we can keep Thiago fit and get him out there most weeks because he elevates our midfield to the next level IMO.
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      Reply #182: Nov 22, 2021 01:45:35 pm
      Really interesting that we watch the same game but have such different opinions. I thought Thiago was absolutely superb off the ball in terms of pressing and used it brilliantly to get our front three into the game. Stats show it as well.

      I think we're unbeaten in 12 when we've managed to put Fab and Thiago out on the same pitch. If we're to keep pace with Chelsea and City this season it's crucial we can keep Thiago fit and get him out there most weeks because he elevates our midfield to the next level IMO.

      Gini was good for us in midfield, no doubting that, but he often had the ball at his feet snd seemed indecisive with what to do with it. Tiago on the other hand, plays one or two touch passes, long or short, diagonals or through the gaps. Mostly too quick for defenders to react to.
      That’s the difference for me. Very few passes fail to reach their target, and our transition from winning the ball back to getting the strikers in attack mode is so much smoother and effective.
      Horses for courses as they say. In Ginis favour, he was hardly ever injured !
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      Reply #183: Nov 25, 2021 01:48:14 pm
      So called Fringe midfielders playing well when given a decent run in the team.

      Thiago & the ox bring different qualities to the team.

      When you actually look at all our midfielders they all have different attributes. Its a really good blend tbh.

      Tough choices for klopp when all fit again, which is very soon. :-)
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      Reply #184: Nov 25, 2021 02:14:19 pm
      So called Fringe midfielders playing well when given a decent run in the team.

      Thiago & the ox bring different qualities to the team.

      When you actually look at all our midfielders they all have different attributes. Its a really good blend tbh.

      Tough choices for klopp when all fit again, which is very soon. :-)

      So have we successfully replaced Gini or do we still need to replace Gini or is there even any need to replace Gini?

      The fact is our midfield is still strong. It hasn’t malfunctioned and Gini is history and we don’t need to bring him into the picture anymore. We have all moved on. Let’s remember the goals he scored and stop pinning poor performances on replacing this man anymore. We already have enough quality to replace him.
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      Reply #185: Nov 25, 2021 02:32:52 pm
      So have we successfully replaced Gini or do we still need to replace Gini or is there even any need to replace Gini?

      The fact is our midfield is still strong. It hasn’t malfunctioned and Gini is history and we don’t need to bring him into the picture anymore. We have all moved on. Let’s remember the goals he scored and stop pinning poor performances on replacing this man anymore. We already have enough quality to replace him.

      We do whenever we drop points. When we win suddenly we don't hear so much about that. Funny how that works.
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      Reply #186: Nov 25, 2021 02:37:15 pm
      So have we successfully replaced Gini or do we still need to replace Gini or is there even any need to replace Gini?

      The fact is our midfield is still strong. It hasn’t malfunctioned and Gini is history and we don’t need to bring him into the picture anymore. We have all moved on. Let’s remember the goals he scored and stop pinning poor performances on replacing this man anymore. We already have enough quality to replace him.

      l o l

      I agree, and I never mentioned Gini. ;-)
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      Reply #187: Nov 25, 2021 02:41:04 pm
      l o l

      I agree, and I never mentioned Gini. ;-)

      Someday, someone will!  :f_steam:
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      Reply #189: Nov 25, 2021 03:23:50 pm

      It's interesting how some of the people who drive the complaining are often busy when we win but when we drop points their calendars happened to clear not just for the game but for entire days after.  If that's not coincidence i don't know what is.
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      Reply #190: Nov 25, 2021 10:30:40 pm
      Last Season it was the curse of the defenders but this Season it is the curse of the midfielders.

      The difference this Season is that we are able to absorb the injuries more easily. We are getting by and that is a testament to the system that Klopp has in place. We are sitting pretty in the League and looking excellent in the Champions league.

      I would not say the midfield is malfunctioning, i would say we are victims of circumstance that have decimated us injury wise, yet we have coping mechanisms in place that are keeping us moving in the right direction.

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      Reply #191: Nov 26, 2021 09:05:05 am
      Malfunctioning Midfield? We had maybe, for a short spell, but not anymore, in fact I’d say we were spoilt for choice when everyone is fit, and that isn’t a bad place to be, hard to argue that a trio of Hendo, Fabinho & Thiago would be most ppl’s favoured midfield, it’s certain one of mine, and it does of course depend on who the opponents are,

      Up against the bus parking fraternity we would need more creative players to break through their defences, pace and tempo are key here, we’ve seen beforehand how 10 behind the ball slows everything down, and we certainly don’t function well when this happens, against a side say like Brentford who for me are the only side to match us like for like this season and they deservedly got their rewards, but had we had Harvey available that day and we played with Trent doubling up with him with Hendo covering and linking up with Mo the chaos created would  have been telling, and of course had we been more clinical in the final third,

      Against City / Chavs we would want to be more solid, so I doubt Harvey would be a starter and we’d probably go with our  ‘go to’ trio, there are plenty of options with varying triplets but more often than not it would be Fabinho as the shoe in and any other two,  for me though it was never a case where we needed to replace that Dutch bloke, what’s his name, yanno’s, the one with the smiling eyes & beaming chompers, gave us all a semi in that semi when he burst Messi’s CL bubble,

      We have players here who were/are ready to fill the void, do we miss him, of course, but we miss Stevie more, and we don’t mention that fella too much anymore do we?

      Malfunctioning Midfield, nah not for me, and in any case looks like we’re putting that to bed now too, and I Dunno about  you guy’s but I think we’re just about to fly .






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      Reply #192: Nov 26, 2021 11:33:52 am
      None of our current midfielders are going to get into a greatest Liverpool XI of the 21st Century (let alone of all time) because individually they're not of the standard of Stevie, Xabi, Didi, Masch and some would even argue Lucas but collectively for what Jürgen wants from his three in the middle, they work and work extremely well in that regard.

      Henderson, I've always stated that I like and think there's a player in there but I think he's become more important to us as a leader on the pitch than his actual ability to play football. He still doesn't take responsibility as much as I'd like with the ball but you can certainly see the difference when he's not on the pitch.

      Fabinho, I don't rate anywhere near as highly as anyone else. For me, he's a poor man's Lucas and I didn't think Lucas was great either. When he does something good, it's raved about but the amount of times he's left by the opposition is alarming for me. Numerous times during a game, the opposition will have a free run at the centre halves because Fabinho has been skipped past on the halfway line. This season, he didn't play against Burnley, Norwich (League Cup), Watford, United, Preston (League Cup, Brighton and we kept clean sheets in all but one of those games - the two all draw with Brighton. With him starting this year, we've only kept four clean sheets. But he can pick a pass and does have a good shot on him when he decides to let fly. And occasionally he does have a good defensive performance as well as allowing other midfielders to play in further advanced positions which gets better performances out of them.

      Thiago is a difficult one because for years our midfield was lambasted for not being creative enough, not offering anything that meaningful in an attacking sense so we went out and got Thiago, who was going to fill that void. And thus far hasn't set the world on fire. He certainly has ability and some of the passes he plays are outstanding. But it's not been the perfect fit that many expected - injuries obviously play a part as does settling into a new country. And the pace of the game seems to catch him out at times. But we've seen the ability is there and it's very evident that his performances have improved once he was shifted slightly further forward and not asked to be the deepest of the three midfielders.

      Keita is quite possibly one of the most frustrating players I've ever seen play for our club. He's either f**king exceptional and well on his way to cementing himself as a first choice regular or absolutely abysmal and well on his way out of the club. Now since his debut against West Ham, where he was man of the match for me, I've always said I liked him. There's deffo a player in there. But then the following week he'll be disastrous. And whatever they're doing this year with Joel Matip, do with Naby because he needs to be kept fit. Unfortunately though, keeping Naby fit for a run of 10-15 games, seems as likely as Everton winning a trophy. A fit and on-form Naby Keita is a cert for our midfield three in my opinion.

      Milner is a good head to have around the place. His experience will help the others around him, even though most of them aren't that young themselves any more. He'll be invaluable to the likes of Morton coming through. I do get pissed off with him when he gives needless fouls away in dangerous areas because he can't run any more but as I've said, for his experience alone he warrants a place in the squad. And his versatility will always come in handy.

      Jones I think believes his own hype. He burst onto the scene with the goal against Everton, played well towards the end of that season as well. Got a few more games than what he probably should of last year due to our midfielders filling in as defenders and this year hasn't really got going yet. But because of the good start he had to his Liverpool career and everyone bigging him up to be the next big thing from our Academy, I think it went to his head and he tried to show off too much rather than doing what our midfield is famed for and that's keeping things simple. I think he'll probably end up as a squad player for us at best.

      Elliott, I don't see as a central midfielder long-term. Or at least not in the traditional sense. He impressed when he played there though, linking up well with Trent and Mo down the right hand side. But I fully expect his future to be one of the front three rather than the central three.

      Tyler Morton has been incredible in his few brief outtings. Far too early to say whether he'll make the grade here and he's probably benefitting from injuries in the way Nat Phillips did at centre half last season. But if he can continue to develop, then he's got a chance at making it here if his first few games are anything to go by. Just needs to remain grounded.

      So the midfield isn't filled with great individuals, in my opinion, but collectively they do the job Jürgen wants them to do. And ultimately, that's getting us results, trophies and a ton of excitement watching us play. So as long as it is working it can't be malfunctioning. And every season there seems to be a slight tweak in how we play and I think this year has been aimed at the midfield taking more shots from distance. We seem a lot more prepared to take a dig from outside the box this season than in previous years.

      Though if I never see Chamberlain play for Liverpool again, I wouldn't be sorry. He's one player I've never rated and was genuinely pissed off when we bought from Arsenal.
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      Reply #193: Nov 26, 2021 12:55:06 pm
      None of our current midfielders are going to get into a greatest Liverpool XI of the 21st Century (let alone of all time) because individually they're not of the standard of Stevie, Xabi, Didi, Masch and some would even argue Lucas but collectively for what Jürgen wants from his three in the middle, they work and work extremely well in that regard.

      Henderson, I've always stated that I like and think there's a player in there but I think he's become more important to us as a leader on the pitch than his actual ability to play football. He still doesn't take responsibility as much as I'd like with the ball but you can certainly see the difference when he's not on the pitch.

      Fabinho, I don't rate anywhere near as highly as anyone else. For me, he's a poor man's Lucas and I didn't think Lucas was great either. When he does something good, it's raved about but the amount of times he's left by the opposition is alarming for me. Numerous times during a game, the opposition will have a free run at the centre halves because Fabinho has been skipped past on the halfway line. This season, he didn't play against Burnley, Norwich (League Cup), Watford, United, Preston (League Cup, Brighton and we kept clean sheets in all but one of those games - the two all draw with Brighton. With him starting this year, we've only kept four clean sheets. But he can pick a pass and does have a good shot on him when he decides to let fly. And occasionally he does have a good defensive performance as well as allowing other midfielders to play in further advanced positions which gets better performances out of them.

      Thiago is a difficult one because for years our midfield was lambasted for not being creative enough, not offering anything that meaningful in an attacking sense so we went out and got Thiago, who was going to fill that void. And thus far hasn't set the world on fire. He certainly has ability and some of the passes he plays are outstanding. But it's not been the perfect fit that many expected - injuries obviously play a part as does settling into a new country. And the pace of the game seems to catch him out at times. But we've seen the ability is there and it's very evident that his performances have improved once he was shifted slightly further forward and not asked to be the deepest of the three midfielders.

      Keita is quite possibly one of the most frustrating players I've ever seen play for our club. He's either f**king exceptional and well on his way to cementing himself as a first choice regular or absolutely abysmal and well on his way out of the club. Now since his debut against West Ham, where he was man of the match for me, I've always said I liked him. There's deffo a player in there. But then the following week he'll be disastrous. And whatever they're doing this year with Joel Matip, do with Naby because he needs to be kept fit. Unfortunately though, keeping Naby fit for a run of 10-15 games, seems as likely as Everton winning a trophy. A fit and on-form Naby Keita is a cert for our midfield three in my opinion.

      Milner is a good head to have around the place. His experience will help the others around him, even though most of them aren't that young themselves any more. He'll be invaluable to the likes of Morton coming through. I do get pissed off with him when he gives needless fouls away in dangerous areas because he can't run any more but as I've said, for his experience alone he warrants a place in the squad. And his versatility will always come in handy.

      Jones I think believes his own hype. He burst onto the scene with the goal against Everton, played well towards the end of that season as well. Got a few more games than what he probably should of last year due to our midfielders filling in as defenders and this year hasn't really got going yet. But because of the good start he had to his Liverpool career and everyone bigging him up to be the next big thing from our Academy, I think it went to his head and he tried to show off too much rather than doing what our midfield is famed for and that's keeping things simple. I think he'll probably end up as a squad player for us at best.

      Elliott, I don't see as a central midfielder long-term. Or at least not in the traditional sense. He impressed when he played there though, linking up well with Trent and Mo down the right hand side. But I fully expect his future to be one of the front three rather than the central three.

      Tyler Morton has been incredible in his few brief outtings. Far too early to say whether he'll make the grade here and he's probably benefitting from injuries in the way Nat Phillips did at centre half last season. But if he can continue to develop, then he's got a chance at making it here if his first few games are anything to go by. Just needs to remain grounded.

      So the midfield isn't filled with great individuals, in my opinion, but collectively they do the job Jürgen wants them to do. And ultimately, that's getting us results, trophies and a ton of excitement watching us play. So as long as it is working it can't be malfunctioning. And every season there seems to be a slight tweak in how we play and I think this year has been aimed at the midfield taking more shots from distance. We seem a lot more prepared to take a dig from outside the box this season than in previous years.

      Though if I never see Chamberlain play for Liverpool again, I wouldn't be sorry. He's one player I've never rated and was genuinely pissed off when we bought from Arsenal.

      Thiago would stroll in, classy player that is better than Didi or Lucas.

      Thiago's that good a player he'd walk in to some of our older teams from the 70s and 80s.
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      Re: Malfunctioning Midfield
      Reply #194: Nov 26, 2021 08:12:35 pm
      Last Season it was the curse of the defenders but this Season it is the curse of the midfielders.

      The difference this Season is that we are able to absorb the injuries more easily. We are getting by and that is a testament to the system that Klopp has in place. We are sitting pretty in the League and looking excellent in the Champions league.


      There are 2 big differences:

      1. You generally carry more midfielders than center backs in a squad, and we have 8 midfielders as opposed to 5 center backs + Fabinho

      2. This year only 1 injury has been season-ending (Elliott) while last year we had 3 (Virg, Matip, Joe)
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      Reply #195: Nov 26, 2021 10:44:43 pm
      There are 2 big differences:

      1. You generally carry more midfielders than center backs in a squad, and we have 8 midfielders as opposed to 5 center backs + Fabinho


      Pro rata  😉



      2. This year only 1 injury has been season-ending (Elliott) while last year we had 3 (Virg, Matip, Joe)

      Elliot won’t be out for the season
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      Reply #196: Nov 27, 2021 03:51:02 pm
      None of our current midfielders are going to get into a greatest Liverpool XI of the 21st Century (let alone of all time) because individually they're not of the standard of Stevie, Xabi, Didi, Masch and some would even argue Lucas but collectively for what Jürgen wants from his three in the middle, they work and work extremely well in that regard.

      Henderson, I've always stated that I like and think there's a player in there but I think he's become more important to us as a leader on the pitch than his actual ability to play football. He still doesn't take responsibility as much as I'd like with the ball but you can certainly see the difference when he's not on the pitch.

      Fabinho, I don't rate anywhere near as highly as anyone else. For me, he's a poor man's Lucas and I didn't think Lucas was great either. When he does something good, it's raved about but the amount of times he's left by the opposition is alarming for me. Numerous times during a game, the opposition will have a free run at the centre halves because Fabinho has been skipped past on the halfway line. This season, he didn't play against Burnley, Norwich (League Cup), Watford, United, Preston (League Cup, Brighton and we kept clean sheets in all but one of those games - the two all draw with Brighton. With him starting this year, we've only kept four clean sheets. But he can pick a pass and does have a good shot on him when he decides to let fly. And occasionally he does have a good defensive performance as well as allowing other midfielders to play in further advanced positions which gets better performances out of them.

      Thiago is a difficult one because for years our midfield was lambasted for not being creative enough, not offering anything that meaningful in an attacking sense so we went out and got Thiago, who was going to fill that void. And thus far hasn't set the world on fire. He certainly has ability and some of the passes he plays are outstanding. But it's not been the perfect fit that many expected - injuries obviously play a part as does settling into a new country. And the pace of the game seems to catch him out at times. But we've seen the ability is there and it's very evident that his performances have improved once he was shifted slightly further forward and not asked to be the deepest of the three midfielders.

      Keita is quite possibly one of the most frustrating players I've ever seen play for our club. He's either f**king exceptional and well on his way to cementing himself as a first choice regular or absolutely abysmal and well on his way out of the club. Now since his debut against West Ham, where he was man of the match for me, I've always said I liked him. There's deffo a player in there. But then the following week he'll be disastrous. And whatever they're doing this year with Joel Matip, do with Naby because he needs to be kept fit. Unfortunately though, keeping Naby fit for a run of 10-15 games, seems as likely as Everton winning a trophy. A fit and on-form Naby Keita is a cert for our midfield three in my opinion.

      Milner is a good head to have around the place. His experience will help the others around him, even though most of them aren't that young themselves any more. He'll be invaluable to the likes of Morton coming through. I do get pissed off with him when he gives needless fouls away in dangerous areas because he can't run any more but as I've said, for his experience alone he warrants a place in the squad. And his versatility will always come in handy.

      Jones I think believes his own hype. He burst onto the scene with the goal against Everton, played well towards the end of that season as well. Got a few more games than what he probably should of last year due to our midfielders filling in as defenders and this year hasn't really got going yet. But because of the good start he had to his Liverpool career and everyone bigging him up to be the next big thing from our Academy, I think it went to his head and he tried to show off too much rather than doing what our midfield is famed for and that's keeping things simple. I think he'll probably end up as a squad player for us at best.

      Elliott, I don't see as a central midfielder long-term. Or at least not in the traditional sense. He impressed when he played there though, linking up well with Trent and Mo down the right hand side. But I fully expect his future to be one of the front three rather than the central three.

      Tyler Morton has been incredible in his few brief outtings. Far too early to say whether he'll make the grade here and he's probably benefitting from injuries in the way Nat Phillips did at centre half last season. But if he can continue to develop, then he's got a chance at making it here if his first few games are anything to go by. Just needs to remain grounded.

      So the midfield isn't filled with great individuals, in my opinion, but collectively they do the job Jürgen wants them to do. And ultimately, that's getting us results, trophies and a ton of excitement watching us play. So as long as it is working it can't be malfunctioning. And every season there seems to be a slight tweak in how we play and I think this year has been aimed at the midfield taking more shots from distance. We seem a lot more prepared to take a dig from outside the box this season than in previous years.

      Though if I never see Chamberlain play for Liverpool again, I wouldn't be sorry. He's one player I've never rated and was genuinely pissed off when we bought from Arsenal.

      Good post there DLS. Though i AM NOT, i repeat AM NOT going to comment on the Lucas comment!  ;)

      I read through the debates on the Lucas Leiva thread the other night, it is still my go to when i'm after a giggle!  ;D ;D ;D
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      Re: Malfunctioning Midfield
      Reply #197: Nov 27, 2021 11:28:45 pm
      This thread was started in 2017, I’m really not sure why it’s been getting bumps. Our midfield has a bit of everything, I’m really happy with our midfield this season. We’ve had a few injuries but it’s been next man up and we’ve seen good contributions from every single one of them.
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      Re: Malfunctioning Midfield
      Reply #198: Nov 28, 2021 08:48:59 am
      I maintain that althoughThiago was very good against Porto and scored against Southamptom, I believe he is too careless at times. Against Southamptom he lost possession uselessly at put the defense in danger.

      Our weakness is midfield, not the individual players who are all very good. But the equilibrium is not there yet. We're still finding the best trio.
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      Re: Malfunctioning Midfield
      Reply #199: Nov 28, 2021 09:29:07 am
      I maintain that althoughThiago was very good against Porto and scored against Southamptom, I believe he is too careless at times. Against Southamptom he lost possession uselessly at put the defense in danger.

      Our weakness is midfield, not the individual players who are all very good. But the equilibrium is not there yet. We're still finding the best trio.

      Perfect example of conformation bias here

      You have something in your mind and are looking for anything to support it

      Sorry if you can’t see how good a player Thiago is I’d question your football knowledge

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