Malfunctioning Midfield

No mate, I don't think otherwise. For me the club has always been the "holy trinity" as Shanks called it. That's why I don't really get hung up about the ownership the way some do. I've said many times that I really couldn't give a toss who the owners are for that reason. I care about what happens on the pitch.

As for the rebuild, I said in the rebuild thread that for me it started in January of last year with the addition of Diaz. This year I think we've been taken unaware with the Saudi money being thrown at us. We knew we were losing three midfielders, two of who have hardly contributed to the club anyway. We replaced them with Dom and Mac. Henderson and Fabinho leaving probably wasn't in the plan for this summer but we're working to replace them.

And the losing the experience thing doesn't bother me as much as it seems to with a lot of others. Last season the experience wasn't something people seemed too keen on, in fact it was the opposite. It was the players were too old, their legs had gone, Klopp was too loyal to these past it players, they shouldn't be in the first team any more etc etc. Three months on and they've suddenly become world class players again. It blows my mind. But take a look back in time and in the 71-72 season, we lost St John, Yeats, Lawrence and Graham before Alun Evans left in the summer of 72 and followed that up in 73 with a League Title and UEFA Cup.

Valid points raised regarding Hendo & Fabinho, myself included said they were passed it, and thought both would only play cameo roles this season anyway, and had offers came in for Fabinho in particular we would have accepted,
I wanted Jimmy to remain also but more in coaching capacity with the ressies, but obviously he believes he still has something to give albeit not with us,

No one seen the Saudi offers come in and that indeed Hendo’s head being turned, can’t blame the fella tbh, but it has left us in a less than ideal position and more than likely short of experience albeit only from the bench, I understand tho as we type, we are seeking new additions,
to replace,
 

I don’t think we are in as much a ‘Mess’ as has been alluded to, I understand the concerns raised, however we have to trust Jürgen and his staff, he sees and works everyday with his squad, he knows and understands their capabilities, and he is well aware what is required to reach the targets set,

All this bickering amongst us is f***in Bollocks, we all want the same thing and arguing doesn’t solve anything, so no point trying to prove each other wrong, opinions are just that, someone else’s take on certain issues, hence why I try not getting too involved, I say my piece some may agree others won’t, and yes I’m guilty too of saying sh*t I wish I hadn’t, but I’d like to think most have thicker skin and don’t take it too personally, except if your name is Keith, of course  😜




YNWA

All this bickering amongst us is f***in Bollocks, we all want the same thing and arguing doesn’t solve anything, so no point trying to prove each other wrong, opinions are just that, someone else’s take on certain issues, hence why I try not getting too involved, I say my piece some may agree others won’t, and yes I’m guilty too of saying sh*t I wish I hadn’t, but I’d like to think most have thicker skin and don’t take it too personally, except if your name is Keith, of course  😜

 


YNWA

Say your piece? you argue with expletives when others disagree you oily scouser     Granted you take it like a man when others fight back but your still a moaning pussy.

I’m hoping come end of the season you’re eating more humble pie, £50 lighter in your pocket and most certainly be heavier than me by then lardarse.   

As for being thick skinned! Well if I’ve lasted with you lot over 10 years  ( especially you 🤪🤪)) I’ve proved I can 

Valid points raised regarding Hendo & Fabinho, myself included said they were passed it, and thought both would only play cameo roles this season anyway, and had offers came in for Fabinho in particular we would have accepted,
I wanted Jimmy to remain also but more in coaching capacity with the ressies, but obviously he believes he still has something to give albeit not with us,

No one seen the Saudi offers come in and that indeed Hendo’s head being turned, can’t blame the fella tbh, but it has left us in a less than ideal position and more than likely short of experience albeit only from the bench, I understand tho as we type, we are seeking new additions,
to replace,
 

I don’t think we are in as much a ‘Mess’ as has been alluded to, I understand the concerns raised, however we have to trust Jürgen and his staff, he sees and works everyday with his squad, he knows and understands their capabilities, and he is well aware what is required to reach the targets set,

All this bickering amongst us is f***in Bollocks, we all want the same thing and arguing doesn’t solve anything, so no point trying to prove each other wrong, opinions are just that, someone else’s take on certain issues, hence why I try not getting too involved, I say my piece some may agree others won’t, and yes I’m guilty too of saying sh*t I wish I hadn’t, but I’d like to think most have thicker skin and don’t take it too personally, except if your name is Keith, of course  😜




YNWA

I would have been happier if you just called Keith "Thick" he is a Manc afterall.

Bobby Graham was my favourite player at that time but one of Shankly's weaknesses or strengths was he was too loyal to players who had served him well St John and Yeats along Tommy Lawrence were well passed there sell by date so its not the same as Fab and Hendo who would have played games this season and Millie would have played when necessary as cover . I think Alun Evans the first £100,000p teenager had a bad injury and never quite got his form back. I dont like the way people exaggerate comments I dont remember anyone saying Hendo and Fab are world class but Fab made returned to form and Hendo too so they would have played a part this season and how much may well have been down to how they took their chance when it came.
I find it strange that older supporters are the ones to accept the reality of modern football and its equation of Success = funding . The Jürgen factor is massive without him who would have won what he has done with his backing form FSG and if we had not fleeced Barca for Couthino would we have bought Ali and Virgil who have made such an impact.
So far our rebuild has been an exercise in wage reduction and we dont have the depth of squad to see us through a 60 games plus season

It is the same as Henderson, lesser extent to Fabinho. Had those in the early 70s stayed into Shanks' penultimate season then they'd of been bit part players as Henderson certainly would of been this year. One of the reasons he's stated for leaving (whether anyone believes it or not is another matter) was that Jürgen couldn't guarantee him the game time he wanted. Firmino and Milner both stated leaving for the same reason. No doubt Fabinho will say it, if he hasn't already. The difference is Shankly decided when it was time for those players to go rather than the Saudi's deciding to offering St John 700k a week.

If you want to take my words as "world class" literally then please yourself. The point was that in May these players weren't good enough then the minute they're sold they've become huge losses, even though just a couple of months ago they weren't worthy of their place in the side and were holding the club back. It's mind blowing. But hey ho, people are certainly entitled to that opinion that these players are good enough again. If they're not, then I don't see why selling them has caused so much uproar.

Also success isn't dependant on funding no matter how bleeding old a person is. I raised Chelsea as a counter argument to this a couple of weeks ago and because it disproved that theory people got their knickers in a twist saying they don't want us to spend like Chelsea - even though they were comfortably the biggest spenders last season and still went from third, two domestic cup finals and Champions League football to 12th, two first round domestic cup exits and no European football. Still think success is down to how much funding a club has or could you actually acknowledge that there's a lot more to it than that?

I love Jürgen Klopp as much as the next but it can't be all down to him when it goes well and all down to the yanks when it goes tits up. I know we don't like that idea but that's how a football club works. Win, lose and draw as a team. And who knows if we'd got Ali and/or Virg without Coutinho leaving - though we were prepared to pay for Van Dijk before Coutinho fu**ed off chasing the money only we went about it illegally so Saints refused to do the business with us. And whether it was the Coutinho money or not that funded those transfers, FSG still sanctioned them. They could of been the cu*ts that they're paited out to be by pocketing that 100 million and telling Jürgen "you're the genius so work miracles without us spending that money". But they didn't, they sanctioned two huge transfers that have helped the club even though in terms of transfers fees they probably won't see a return. What bas**rds those yanks are!

And we've had no investment according to some, so why do you expect a 60 game season when funding = success doesn't it? Then again, we could go back to Shanks once more and take a look at the 65/66 season when we used just 15 players throughout the entire campaign - three of whom played a combined 8 games between them so you're looking at 12 players really. And still won the League and got the Cup Winners Cup final. I wonder if people felt we had the stength in depth back then. But football has apparently changed.

Say your piece? you argue with expletives when others disagree you oily scouser     Granted you take it like a man when others fight back but your still a moaning pussy.

I’m hoping come end of the season you’re eating more humble pie, £50 lighter in your pocket and most certainly be heavier than me by then lardarse.   

As for being thick skinned! Well if I’ve lasted with you lot over 10 years  ( especially you 🤪🤪)) I’ve proved I can 

Bit rich of you ya THICK MANC KUNT, is that better Walt ?😁 Calling me a moaning Pussy, yes I can take it ye Fat

Lard arse bitchy faced knob jockey, see I can spell too, ialsospecialiseinjoinedu pwriting as you can see, all you f***in moan about is how we wear red f***in tints in a Red men’s (& women’s) forum, how f***in ironic is that, pr**k,

We all know who will have the last laugh Fuckstick when we finish miles ahead of you’re shower of sh*te, so I’ll happily gorge on humble pie,as for the £50, no problem, just name the charity I’ll be happy to oblige, unfortunately though it won’t be me f***in lardarse.


YNWA

Bit rich of you ya THICK MANC KUNT, is that better Walt ?😁 Calling me a moaning Pussy, yes I can take it ye Fat

Lard arse bitchy faced knob jockey, see I can spell too, ialsospecialiseinjoinedu pwriting as you can see, all you f***in moan about is how we wear red f***in tints in a Red men’s (& women’s) forum, how f***in ironic is that, pr**k,

We all know who will have the last laugh Fuckstick when we finish miles ahead of you’re shower of sh*te, so I’ll happily gorge on humble pie,as for the £50, no problem, just name the charity I’ll be happy to oblige, unfortunately though it won’t be me f***in lardarse.


YNWA

Already told you were my winning going to Billy Buster.  Forum funds please. It’s sort of a win win for you anyway with all that pie you’ll be eating.   

You may well finish in front of the mancs but not the Gunners. Just pay up now, least that way you’ll be 50lbs lighter. 

It is the same as Henderson, lesser extent to Fabinho.

The point was that in May these players weren't good enough then the minute they're sold they've become huge losses, even though just a couple of months ago they weren't worthy of their place in the side and were holding the club back. It's mind blowing. But hey ho, people are certainly entitled to that opinion that these players are good enough again. If they're not, then I don't see why selling them has caused so much uproar.

Both Hendo and Fab left with little or no warning, after three other midfielders had departed.

Their experience and leadership would be important during a re-build in the middle of the park.

As for Fab's dip in form last season, this was probably due in part to our relentless pursuit of four trophies the previous year, plus the World Cup finals being staged in November.  He showed signs of better form in the Spring.  Remember also he filled in very well at centre-back during our injury crisis there in the past.  So I consider him a huge loss.  Hendo likewise.

Already told you were my winning going to Billy Buster.  Forum funds please. It’s sort of a win win for you anyway with all that pie you’ll be eating.   

You may well finish in front of the mancs but not the Gunners. Just pay up now, least that way you’ll be 50lbs lighter. 

Oh Shut up you Tart, Arse finishing ahead is a possibility of course, but so is Liverpool finishing ahead of both Shitty and Arse, it’s also possible you’re lot will finish outside of all the Euro spots including that anomaly conference sh*te,

Truth is Chunky Monkey, we’re all just surmising the ifs and buts of this or that on the ups and downs of all possibilities, we were for the most part Gash last season and have made strides to remedy that, while Arse were decent and irrespective of bottling out had we been as good as they were you know and I know there would be no bottling from our perspective,

Arse have of course strengthened too but again they will have us, a far more dangerous entity for company as too will City, who I believe will not live up to last season’s expectations and could indeed suffer from the “After the Lord Mayor’s show” mentality, they have lost Silva, Gundogan, Mahrez and KDB’s legs another yard slower, silly Cnut Grealish will imo, will still be pissed, and could have a damn average season,

I’m not gonna bother with your’e lot cos mid table mediocrity awaits for ETH despite buying £72m worth of nobody of note, and with Heehaw Maguire destined for a relegation battle with the Bubble Blowers, your defence is in fact worse than last season 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣,

So there you go your Fattiness, my take on what is possible in the next nine months or so, that’s gotta be with £50 of anyone’s money??


PS, I’ve had a long look at your avatar, and I’ve come to the conclusion that if you held that gaze long enough in a hospital, you’d get Swtitched off !!   


YNWA

What are you struggling to understand ? The point has been the same all along about Gomez
Not being good enough

Did you watch him last season ?

I did he was not very good at cb but actually threw in a few good performances at rb.

His cross in the Rangers CL game up there that led to a Firmino goal was as good as any cross from Trent.

I'd still keep him to cover RB

Oh Shut up you Tart, Arse finishing ahead is a possibility of course, but so is Liverpool finishing ahead of both Shitty and Arse, it’s also possible you’re lot will finish outside of all the Euro spots including that anomaly conference sh*te,

Truth is Chunky Monkey, we’re all just surmising the ifs and buts of this or that on the ups and downs of all possibilities, we were for the most part Gash last season and have made strides to remedy that, while Arse were decent and irrespective of bottling out had we been as good as they were you know and I know there would be no bottling from our perspective,

Arse have of course strengthened too but again they will have us, a far more dangerous entity for company as too will City, who I believe will not live up to last season’s expectations and could indeed suffer from the “After the Lord Mayor’s show” mentality, they have lost Silva, Gundogan, Mahrez and KDB’s legs another yard slower, silly Cnut Grealish will imo, will still be pissed, and could have a damn average season,

I’m not gonna bother with your’e lot cos mid table mediocrity awaits for ETH despite buying £72m worth of nobody of note, and with Heehaw Maguire destined for a relegation battle with the Bubble Blowers, your defence is in fact worse than last season 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣,

So there you go your Fattiness, my take on what is possible in the next nine months or so, that’s gotta be with £50 of anyone’s money??


PS, I’ve had a long look at your avatar, and I’ve come to the conclusion that if you held that gaze long enough in a hospital, you’d get Swtitched off !!   


YNWA

Pep has bamboozled me with his departures this season and probably many others. Second guessing his reasons won’t get fans any closer as to the way he works, only time will tell.  There’s no doubt  Arsenal have done the best business on paper so far in the summer window and that’s why I think they’re almost sure of at least 2nd again in the league and wins me £50 🤪🤪🤪

United won’t be mid table but hopefully least get top six. If the club is sold before the January window that will finally put us in good stead. Well pissed we didn’t at least get Kane as you lot don’t like him. 😂

Anyway fed up second guessing, let’s just get season started and take it from there. Hopefully won’t be to long before you lot moaning what a bad start you get off to looking at some post stating you’ve got hard opening 5/6 games.     

Pep has bamboozled me with his departures this season and probably many others. Second guessing his reasons won’t get fans any closer as to the way he works, only time will tell.  There’s no doubt  Arsenal have done the best business on paper so far in the summer window and that’s why I think they’re almost sure of at least 2nd again in the league and wins me £50 🤪🤪🤪

United won’t be mid table but hopefully least get top six. If the club is sold before the January window that will finally put us in good stead. Well pissed we didn’t at least get Kane as you lot don’t like him. 😂

Anyway fed up second guessing, let’s just get season started and take it from there. Hopefully won’t be to long before you lot moaning what a bad start you get off to looking at some post stating you’ve got hard opening 5/6 games.     

Top six, f***in bit of a come down that isn’t mate, the Great Manchester United, that bastion of England, the supposed biggest club in the world pish, resorting to a top six finish as a best we can hope for ambitious stand point,
Oh how the mighty have fallen Indeed, wonder if Fergies arse cheeks are as squeaky as the gum he chewed while in the dugout, Top Six, and that’s just hopefully, now you reckon Arse will finish no lower than 2nd, that is a fair assumption I guess, so what of the others, let’s start with your noisy neighbours, …

….we can’t rule them out of as possible title winners that would be just silly, so of course they will be there or thereabouts, Newcastle, possibly top 4 depending on who they strengthen with, and with everyone else injuries etc, Chavs, nah, not for me although I do think it’s safe to say they’ll finish above your mob, Spuds, if Harry stays top six and again above your lot, Villa, my dark horses, Emery has found his comfort zone at Villa, it’s his default setting in club size, and definitely top six, Brighton, despite Macca being extremely intelligent joining us, will still have a huge say in your top six aspirations, ….

Then there is Us the one true pain in Pep’s arse, his own words, we were gash last season as I’ve alluded to before, however we rallied well and but for a couple more wins we would have made top four, even with a ageing midfield, knackered legs and some woeful displays, we did come up short, and in Jürgen’s opinion we had a damn average season,… and the death nell of Klopp Pt one,

So enter Klopp Pt two, the removal of the dead wood, the appeal of a new challenge, the influence of Saudi money, have all contributed to a new vibrant exciting new team emerging, the new boys Macca & Szloboslai, providing the power and energy we didn’t have last season, the now fit and healthy Diaz & Jota, we didn’t have last season for the most part, but are like two new signings, Curtis Jones maturing into a very capable attacking midfielder, the continued improvement of Harvey Elliot,

The emergence of Stefan Bacjetic no one seen coming, special talent this lad, one to watch for sure, new academy hopefuls in Ben Doak & Bobby Clark, could they feature, we don’t know yet but possibly, two more much needed In coming’s a DM Lavia, and a CB Andre from Fluminese apparently, ….

Red tints on of course but I see a very very exciting and dangerous entity developing, if you thought Klopp Pt one was exciting and dangerous, you ain’t seen nothing yet, I don’t know my little fat friend, but I think it’s entirely possible Jürgen is returning to his Rock n Roll style in yer face brand of football, all the components are there, for sure, a kind of if you score one, we’ll score three, just look at our attacking six, Macca, Szloboslai, Jota, Nunez, Gakpo and of course the all conquering record breaking Mohamed Salah, add a midfield of Jones, Elliot, Inverted Trent, Lavia, Bacjetic, the ever green Thiago……see where I’m going here…


Still think Arse will finish ahead of us, we don’t bottle out mate, despite our new blokes, we still have a plethora of experience that’s already been there done that and wear the T shirts,….meanwhile back in the land of Mediocrity…. We have the Scummy F**k pigs of Manchester town, languishing below Brighton, Spuds, & Villa, they in turn are holding up Chavs, Newcastle, and on top of them there’ll be Liverpool, Arse and City, so summing up, we’re looking at eighth as a more realistic prospect, just about mid table, and as mediocre as you can get !!!

Have a nice day Mr Slim Singleton


YNWA

Top six, f***in bit of a come down that isn’t mate, the Great Manchester United, that bastion of England, the supposed biggest club in the world pish, resorting to a top six finish as a best we can hope for ambitious stand point,
Oh how the mighty have fallen Indeed, wonder if Fergies arse cheeks are as squeaky as the gum he chewed while in the dugout, Top Six, and that’s just hopefully, now you reckon Arse will finish no lower than 2nd, that is a fair assumption I guess, so what of the others, let’s start with your noisy neighbours, …

….we can’t rule them out of as possible title winners that would be just silly, so of course they will be there or thereabouts, Newcastle, possibly top 4 depending on who they strengthen with, and with everyone else injuries etc, Chavs, nah, not for me although I do think it’s safe to say they’ll finish above your mob, Spuds, if Harry stays top six and again above your lot, Villa, my dark horses, Emery has found his comfort zone at Villa, it’s his default setting in club size, and definitely top six, Brighton, despite Macca being extremely intelligent joining us, will still have a huge say in your top six aspirations, ….

Then there is Us the one true pain in Pep’s arse, his own words, we were gash last season as I’ve alluded to before, however we rallied well and but for a couple more wins we would have made top four, even with a ageing midfield, knackered legs and some woeful displays, we did come up short, and in Jürgen’s opinion we had a damn average season,… and the death nell of Klopp Pt one,

So enter Klopp Pt two, the removal of the dead wood, the appeal of a new challenge, the influence of Saudi money, have all contributed to a new vibrant exciting new team emerging, the new boys Macca & Szloboslai, providing the power and energy we didn’t have last season, the now fit and healthy Diaz & Jota, we didn’t have last season for the most part, but are like two new signings, Curtis Jones maturing into a very capable attacking midfielder, the continued improvement of Harvey Elliot,

The emergence of Stefan Bacjetic no one seen coming, special talent this lad, one to watch for sure, new academy hopefuls in Ben Doak & Bobby Clark, could they feature, we don’t know yet but possibly, two more much needed In coming’s a DM Lavia, and a CB Andre from Fluminese apparently, ….

Red tints on of course but I see a very very exciting and dangerous entity developing, if you thought Klopp Pt one was exciting and dangerous, you ain’t seen nothing yet, I don’t know my little fat friend, but I think it’s entirely possible Jürgen is returning to his Rock n Roll style in yer face brand of football, all the components are there, for sure, a kind of if you score one, we’ll score three, just look at our attacking six, Macca, Szloboslai, Jota, Nunez, Gakpo and of course the all conquering record breaking Mohamed Salah, add a midfield of Jones, Elliot, Inverted Trent, Lavia, Bacjetic, the ever green Thiago……see where I’m going here…


Still think Arse will finish ahead of us, we don’t bottle out mate, despite our new blokes, we still have a plethora of experience that’s already been there done that and wear the T shirts,….meanwhile back in the land of Mediocrity…. We have the Scummy F**k pigs of Manchester town, languishing below Brighton, Spuds, & Villa, they in turn are holding up Chavs, Newcastle, and on top of them there’ll be Liverpool, Arse and City, so summing up, we’re looking at eighth as a more realistic prospect, just about mid table, and as mediocre as you can get !!!

Have a nice day Mr Slim Singleton


YNWA

I generally start a thread at the beginning & ending of season mate but normally wait till transfer window closed as you get a better guide along with a few games in then instead of just guessing or  wearing rose tints like you stating your going to win the league when your not even sure of your starting 11 yet. That way you have a tendency of keeping the weight off instead of eating humble pie all the time  like you. 😂

I was expecting our club to be sold with some nice summer signings which hasn’t materialised so my expectations somewhat dropped. 🤢 As you know from what transfers have been done so far I know very little about apart from Mount which I’m happy with.  I just having a gut feeling you’ll be taking the piss out of me when our goalie gets caught play acting in his 5 yard box.

I’ll do a prediction/s sometime late August all being well, that way I’ve no excuses and if it’s humble pie I’ll take it. 

If we're looking at Dewsbury-Hall this match has probably added £5M to the fee!!

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Current system of the inverted full back still looks so shaky defensively and personally I think it’s to high risk.
Seeing as though we now have legs in midfield why not just go back to what has given us success in the past or are the coaching staff trying to be too clever.

Current system of the inverted full back still looks so shaky defensively and personally I think it’s to high risk.
Seeing as though we now have legs in midfield why not just go back to what has given us success in the past or are the coaching staff trying to be too clever.

It's a ploy I think we ought to be very selective about when to use unless we buy the players who can cover, but then again if we had those players we wouldn't need to consider creative ways of getting more out of him. I really don't see why Trent can't go back to doing what he did at his best if we just buy the right players.

Current system of the inverted full back still looks so shaky defensively and personally I think it’s to high risk.
Seeing as though we now have legs in midfield why not just go back to what has given us success in the past or are the coaching staff trying to be too clever.

Trent isn't up too it as a normal FB so they are trying to find a position they can fit him in and I don't think it has answered any questions.  Sure it will work against dross but trying it Sunday for me is not ideal . Just don't think we have the personal to pull it off.compared to City consistently

Trent isn't up too it as a normal FB so they are trying to find a position they can fit him in and I don't think it has answered any questions.  Sure it will work against dross but trying it Sunday for me is not ideal . Just don't think we have the personal to pull it off.compared to City consistently

We need a right back desperately and play Trent full time in the middle. This and not getting two more in midfield will kill us this year. Can just see it now.

Caicedo
MacAllister
Szoboszlai
Jones
Elliott
Thiago
Bacjetic

Got rid of two injury prone players who were never available, and ageing skipper who's best days well being him and another DM for a few we could only dream off.

That's a rebuild and a half in one window.

Caicedo
MacAllister
Szoboszlai
Jones
Elliott
Thiago
Bacjetic

Got rid of two injury prone players who were never available, and ageing skipper who's best days well being him and another DM for a few we could only dream off.

That's a rebuild and a half in one window.

Isn’t it just Si, and we could still yet land  Lavia too, don’t think that’s dead in the water yet, although spaffing out £111m is telling as far as this summer goes, but you never know, Moises in having a medical, and Lavia in before Monday, I think Xmas would be cancelled this year, don’t you??


YNWA

Imagine the uproar though that we start against Chelsea with Elliott, Bajcetic and Jones.

Caicedo
MacAllister
Szoboszlai
Jones
Elliott
Thiago
Bacjetic

Got rid of two injury prone players who were never available, and ageing skipper who's best days well being him and another DM for a few we could only dream off.

That's a rebuild and a half in one window.

Should shut the doom mongers up for a while

Think we will see one more arrive or in Jan to replace Thiago next season then it’s CB’s

Caicedo
MacAllister
Szoboszlai
Jones
Elliott
Thiago
Bacjetic

Got rid of two injury prone players who were never available, and ageing skipper who's best days well being him and another DM for a few we could only dream off.

That's a rebuild and a half in one window.

Don’t like the look of it myself Si. Can we have the old one back. 😂