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      News Stories (October 2017)
      Oct 01, 2017 11:55:47 am
      By YASMIN ALIBHAI-BROWN FOR THE MAIL ON SUNDAY

      'White girls are filthy': Wives of Asian men jailed for raping vulnerable British girls reveal why they blame the victims

      It is a rainy day in June and I am in a terraced house in Manchester. It belongs to an acquaintance who I will call Mrs Soni, a retired Asian school teacher.

      She is shaking with nerves and I, too, am feverishly anxious as we wait, repeatedly peeping out through heavy red curtains.

      Our guests had said they would come at nine in the morning, after the children had gone to school. The street is quiet. Few Asians live here, which is important.

      I am meeting the wives of three men convicted of a terrible crime – of grooming and raping dozens of white girls. Nila, the 18-year-old daughter of one of them, will be there as well.

      It was Nila who had approached me in Leeds when I gave a talk earlier this year. Small for her age, softly spoken, she had beautiful, green-brown eyes, Kashmiri, like her mother’s.

      She was upset. ‘My dad is in prison because he was with others raping small white girls,’ she told me. ‘I hate him. He made my mum pregnant eight times even when she didn’t want to do it. I heard her crying. Six babies died. He did that to her for so long. But never went to prison.’

      Since reports of a gang of Pakistani-British sexual predators in Rotherham first emerged in 2011, there has been a string of horrific cases: in Rochdale, Peterborough, Bristol, Aylesbury and at least 20 other towns across the country.

      Even now white girls, many from troubled homes, are being violated by men who profess to be good Muslims. Such are the explosive racial and religious implications that, to our shame, many refuse to face the problem.

      Look at what happened to Sarah Champion, Labour MP for Rotherham, who was sacked from the shadow front bench for saying just this. Or take the case of Amina Lone, a Muslim councillor from Birmingham, who rightly defended Champion but was then told she cannot stand for re-election.

      Yes, sexual predators come from all classes and races. However, in organised group rapes, such as those in Rotherham and Rochdale, the issues of race and ethnicity are undeniable. They must be addressed.

      As a female British-Muslim writer, I am deeply troubled by the Muslim men who work in packs and entrap and ravage young white girls and teenagers.

      Thanks to the procession of disturbing court cases and the BBC drama Three Girls, based on the Rochdale scandal, we now know the gruesome details of the crimes. But we know nothing about how these rapists behaved behind their own closed doors. They had wives and children – how could they commit such abhorrent crimes? And now, at last, I was getting access to the family members. I had to promise their names would be changed and that none would be identified. The consequences, if discovered, would be unimaginable.

      A car arrived. Two women in grey headscarves got out timidly. The third, Nusrat, had a long plait and was modestly dressed in trousers and a top. The driver was Nila, her daughter. They went to the back sitting room.

      It will be a long time before I forget the three hours of emotional chaos, disorientation and pain that followed. I learned that they, too, had been subject to despicable sexual abuse. But I also discovered that, trapped in a world of obedience and ignorance, too many also blame the white teenaged victims for leading their abusers on.

      Nila’s mother, Nusrat, was the most confident. She was born in Britain and married a relative, as expected. Three years ago, he divorced her – punishment for opposing his plans to force Nila to marry his second cousin. Today, she works as a dinner lady.

      The other two women, Homa and Mariam, came as young, virgin brides from villages in Pakistan. Arriving here, they spoke no English and their mothers-in-law treated them like slaves. The women would not discuss the intimate parts of their lives at first, resorting instead to vague words and platitudes: ‘Muslim women must give husband,’ said one of them. ‘He want, she don’t like but must give.’

      But bit by bit, they opened up, describing a world of loveless sex on demand, of domestic violence, routine debasement. ‘He did it hard, it hurt,’ said Nusrat. ‘It was always painful. He say I am his toy. I say no, he pushed me down, made me cry. He was like a dog.’

      Homa’s husband was, she says, a kind man when she first came over. He worked for an ironmonger’s. When it closed, he became a cabbie and changed. He stayed out all hours, hit her, shouted at her and insisted on sex just a few days after she had given birth. Once she fainted with the pain. There was a lot of blood.

      Did she complain? These are not matters that are commonly discussed among Muslim women.

      I tried to dig further down. How, exactly, did their relationships work? The men, always controlling, had become more so with time, angry as they grew older and as the children grew up. These were marriages with no hugs or kisses, with little overt love and a great deal of fear. A portrait emerged of a generation of men torn between two cultures – and they were angry about it. They are more alienated than the older migrants, their fathers and grandfathers, who chose to come here to build new lives and felt more respected.

      As Nila said: ‘Men like my dad hate freedom. They punish us for something that they can’t change.’

      Did the wives know about the criminal abuse committed by their husbands, or at least suspect? They all claimed not to, and I believed them. They could not discuss, let alone question, their husband’s movements. As one said: ‘He is a man. He comes and goes as he wants. He doesn’t answer to me.’

      Perhaps what took place was beyond their comprehension. They do not seem to understand the concept of consensual sex. In their world, the sex drive is a male urge that must be satisfied. Their men took the white girls as they took their wives.

      And from all the evidence, it is clear the men in question still blame the victims and feel no remorse. They are sexual psychotics.

      Yet, painful as it is to say, it became clear, too, that the men are not alone in blaming the victims. I asked the women how they would feel if their children had been drugged and raped. They agreed it would break their hearts. But, Mariam said: ‘It can’t happen to our children because they are not in the streets. We look after them.’

      Only Nusrat and Nila were prepared to condemn the abuse without reservation. The others, it seemed, privately blamed the girls and even their parents. It became clear they had a very confused sense of morality.

      Nusrat fought back, saying: ‘You know our girls are raped by uncles, fathers, brothers and imams. My neighbour’s daughter had a baby when she was 12. It was her uncle. They blamed her. Sent her to Pakistan. We don’t see the truth.’

      But later, at a separate meeting, I encountered Suju, the wife of another jailed groomer. She was afraid of him but she, too, thinks white girls are: ‘Filthy. How they dress. They have no shame, no fear of Allah.’

      Was it OK to hurt them the way the men did?, I asked. ‘No. You can’t hurt people. Allah does not want that,’ she replied. ‘But it is the girls who should be careful. They did something to him, maybe bad magic. I am now alone, no money, no life.’

      It is wrong to suggest all Asian men are sexual predators. The Muslim men I know love and take care of their wives and are deeply shaken by the convictions.

      Muslim activists fear talking about the abusers encourages racism. They may be right. But the grooming gangs are responsible for much greater racial hostility. Progressive Muslims must make this crime socially unacceptable. The communities which shelter and defend these men must be confronted. We need research into why a disproportionate number of Pakistani Muslim men in Britain commit this crime as well as offer compulsory re-education for those who have been locked up.

      These predators – and the wives who seek to justify their behaviour – must understand that women are not white or brown flesh to be consumed at will.
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4936754/Wives-men-jailed-rape-blame-victims-too.html

      Ignorant, uneducated and totally detached from British society.

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      Re: News Stories (October 2017)
      Reply #1: Oct 01, 2017 12:40:47 pm
      Rubber bullets being fired against people waiting to vote, typical third world country, oh you mean it's mainland europe and a member of the eu ?

      https://twitter.com/RAF_IFA/status/914423016708243456
      « Last Edit: Oct 01, 2017 12:50:45 pm by FATKOPITE10 »
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      Reply #2: Oct 02, 2017 10:34:28 am
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      Reply #3: Oct 02, 2017 12:33:42 pm
      Numbers in Vegas shooting gone up to the 50s now f**king grim that.

      Sick world we live in these days.
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      Reply #4: Oct 02, 2017 01:01:12 pm
      Numbers in Vegas shooting gone up to the 50s now f**king grim that.

      Sick world we live in these days.

      The world has always been sick mate.

      Nothing new there.

      Problem is now sicko's have easy access to powerful mass killing weapons.
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      Re: News Stories (October 2017)
      Reply #5: Oct 02, 2017 01:06:57 pm
      Just watching some of the scenes from Las Vegas on the news, shocking but oh so sadly familiar from America concerning guns.
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      Reply #6: Oct 02, 2017 01:11:20 pm
      One of the worse mass shooting in US history...

      Just heard the sound of gunfire at the concert..

      Horrible horrible stuff...

      https://twitter.com/breaking911/status/914809146486218752
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      Reply #7: Oct 02, 2017 02:58:33 pm
      One of the worse mass shooting in US history...

      Just heard the sound of gunfire at the concert..

      Horrible horrible stuff...

      https://twitter.com/breaking911/status/914809146486218752

      Terrifying.

      Thoughts and sympathies with all the friends and relatives and of course the injured, there's just nothing that can console such mindless violence.

      R.I.P. To those so tragically taken.

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      Reply #8: Oct 02, 2017 03:50:45 pm
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      Reply #9: Oct 02, 2017 03:58:26 pm
      rip
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      Reply #10: Oct 02, 2017 04:33:11 pm
      There is something really wrong with this world, some people are really sick. I can't imagine how someone can commit such a crime.

      RIP to the victims and peace to the families.
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      Reply #11: Oct 02, 2017 04:44:29 pm
      Aunty's over there at the minute and thankfully safe.  The only thing this will change in America is the target number for the next one to  happen in a school/cinema/church/restaurant.

      Shares of gunmakers jumped 5% in early trading Monday after the mass shooting in Las Vegas.

      Storm Ruger (RGR) was up $2.65, or 5.1%, to $54.35 and American Outdoor Brands (AOBC), the former Smith & Wesson, rose 71 cents, or 4.7%, to $15.96.

      Strange f**king place.
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      Reply #12: Oct 02, 2017 05:05:31 pm
      The NRA have more blood on their hands than any other terrorist or non terrorist group in the USA.

      Disgraceful. And you know their argument is 'well if the crowd had guns it wouldn't have happened'.

      Woeful.
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      Reply #13: Oct 02, 2017 06:07:15 pm
      RIP to the victims, says a lot that someone can make his way up to a room in one of vegas's biggest hotels carrying a f**king arsenal
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      Reply #14: Oct 02, 2017 08:14:31 pm
      RIP to the victims, says a lot that someone can make his way up to a room in one of vegas's biggest hotels carrying a f**king arsenal
       

      Take a look at the nevada gun rules,pretty much open carry.so no surprise.Would imagine a fair few of those killed would of been perfectly happy with said rules.Sad,fu**ed up country sometimes.
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      Reply #15: Oct 02, 2017 08:24:21 pm
      RIP to the victims, says a lot that someone can make his way up to a room in one of vegas's biggest hotels carrying a f**king arsenal

      I was in Vegas not so long back. Anyone can come and go up to the rooms in the majority of hotels. Straight through the casino and to the lifts in most of them and no one pays any attention.

      Unfortunately nothing will change in the States until there is a concerted effort to deal with the gun crime.
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      Reply #16: Oct 02, 2017 10:21:55 pm
      Aunty's over there at the minute and thankfully safe.  The only thing this will change in America is the target number for the next one to  happen in a school/cinema/church/restaurant.

      Shares of gunmakers jumped 5% in early trading Monday after the mass shooting in Las Vegas.

      Storm Ruger (RGR) was up $2.65, or 5.1%, to $54.35 and American Outdoor Brands (AOBC), the former Smith & Wesson, rose 71 cents, or 4.7%, to $15.96.

      Strange f**king place.

      Its because they all start panicking that gun laws are going to be tightened and rush out to buy a gun while they can. Happened with that Sandy Hook shooting too.

      They need not worry anyway. There is no hunger to stop free gun use among the majority of Americans.

      300m guns in the country, good luck controlling that now.

      Strange place indeed.
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      Reply #17: Oct 03, 2017 07:37:54 am
      Killer only had the 42 weapons then
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      Reply #19: Oct 03, 2017 10:04:53 pm
      http://www.losangelesblade.com/2017/10/02/u-s-opposes-un-resolution-death-penalty-sex-relations/?amp_markup=1

      Well done America 👍🙄 Only standing up for rights when it suits them!
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      Reply #20: Oct 05, 2017 08:07:41 am
      My thoights go out to the victims and famlies of those slaightered in Vegas. Horrendus, truly horrendous. 🇺🇸🇺🇸
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      Reply #21: Oct 05, 2017 09:02:39 am
      RIP

      Truly unfathomable.
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      Reply #23: Oct 13, 2017 01:38:13 pm
      Harvey Weinstein: US actress Rose McGowan makes rape allegation

      The scandal deluging Hollywood producer Harvey Weinstein has deepened after US actress Rose McGowan publicly accused him of raping her.
      In a series of tweets, McGowan also accused Amazon Studio chief Roy Price of having ignored her when she made the allegation earlier.
      Amazon has put Price - himself accused on Thursday of sexually harassing a female producer - on leave of absence.
      Weinstein denies any sexual assaults. There was no comment from Price.

      Police forces in the US and UK police have launched investigations into sexual assault allegations against Weinstein:
      The New York Police Department is looking into an allegation dating from 2004 and reviewing whether there are any additional complaints
      London's Met Police has received an allegation of sexual assault in the London area in the 1980s

      Addressing Amazon chief executive Jeff Bezos on Twitter, McGowan criticised the company for doing business with Weinstein.
      "I told the head of your studio that HW raped me," she wrote. "Over & over I said it. He said it hadn't been proven. I said I was the proof."
      Price was separately accused by Isa Hackett, a producer on one of Amazon's shows, of having lewdly propositioned her in a taxi and at a corporate dinner in 2015, the Hollywood Reporter writes.

      Hackett reported the incident to Amazon executives immediately, she was quoted as saying, and an outside investigator was brought in.
      She was not told the outcome of the investigation but did not see Price again at any events involving her shows, she added.
      In a statement, Amazon said: "Roy Price is on leave of absence effective immediately. We are reviewing our options for the projects we have with The Weinstein Co."

      Three women earlier accused Weinstein of rape in an investigative article in The New Yorker magazine.
      They are Italian actress and director Asia Argento, former aspiring actress Lucia Evans and a third woman who was anonymous.

      The same article says 10 other women told the author that Weinstein had either sexually harassed or assaulted them between the 1990s and 2015.
      The New York Times broke the story on 5 October when it detailed decades of allegations of sexual harassment against Weinstein.
      Weinstein has insisted through a spokeswoman that any sexual contacts he had were consensual.
      Oscar-winning director Oliver Stone has said he believes that Weinstein should not be judged prematurely.

      "If he broke the law it will come out," he told reporters on a visit to South Korea for a film festival. "I believe that a man shouldn't be condemned by a vigilante system."
      In another development, Twitter briefly suspended McGowan for violating its terms and policies after she included a personal phone number in tweets about sexual abuse allegations.
      Some prominent US figures, notably from the entertainment world, said they would boycott the platform on Friday in protest.

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-41606140
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      Reply #24: Oct 13, 2017 01:44:49 pm
      Australia skydiving: Three dead after 'mid-air collision'

      Three skydivers have died in Queensland after they apparently collided mid-air, say Australian authorities.
      Paramedics and police were called to Mission Beach, a popular skydiving spot about 140km (87 miles) south of Cairns.
      Two men in their 30s, and a woman in her 50s, were found dead at the scene, Queensland police said in a statement.
      Police said initial investigations found one person may have collided with tandem skydivers, and their parachutes failed to deploy correctly.
      Queensland's ambulance service told the Australian Broadcasting Corporation that one skydiver was found in the garden of a residence, and the other two were found close by.
      A resident was also quoted as saying the bodies were found about 1.5km north of the usual landing site.

      Operating company Skydive Australia told local media that it had suspended its operations at Mission Beach while an investigation took place.
      The solo skydiver was a "highly experienced instructor who had completed thousands of jumps", while the other two were a customer and another experienced instructor, it said in a statement.
      "The company extends its deepest sympathies and heartfelt condolences to the individuals and families involved and the broader skydiving community," it added.
      An unnamed eyewitness told the Cairns Post that he saw one of the skydivers falling. "You could see one chute was tangled and it wasn't opening."
      "I was just watching him in free fall until he went behind the trees, and that was the last I saw," he said.
      "It wasn't good to watch. I had my heart in my mouth."
      The area's local mayor, John Kremastos, told the ABC that the incident was "horrible news", saying: "Three people in one accident is very, very sad."
      Skydiving is a popular tourist activity in the area, with many of the backpackers who travel the Queensland coast stopping by Mission Beach.

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-41607101

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