Spurs 4-1 Liverpool: In game and Post match discussion

Lovren was not at fault for the first. He correctly played him offside. Unfortunately, he wasn't to know that Gomez was slow moving and played him on. Lovren held the line. Gomez was at fault.

No chance, it was all Lovren, it was his man. Lovren is absolutely F***ing sh*te.

Time and time again he does the same F***ing thing and I’ve had enough. He does not deserve to be any where near the team. Not even on the bench. Get rid ASAP.

Offside trap is a sh*t way to defend. If that is what Klopp is telling them to do he can **** right off. Men behind the ball, zonal or man to man is defending... but playing off side trap is a load of codswallap.

Every other team uses the tactic some consistently, why can't we?

F***ing hell.

plain to see his system is not working

plain to see his system is not working

Yeah well I don't think hiring Lancashire's premier Meat Loaf tribute act as assistant manager will solve the problems will it?

Yeah well I don't think hiring Lancashire's premier Meat Loaf tribute act as assistant manager will solve the problems will it?

Isn't that c**t still honorary president of the fergie arse-kissing club!!

Lovren was not at fault for the first. He correctly played him offside. Unfortunately, he wasn't to know that Gomez was slow moving and played him on. Lovren held the line. Gomez was at fault.

With no pressure from midfield on the ball player what is Lovren doing stepping up by himself.
In this scenario you man mark your player.

Another example of Lovren going off by himself without assessing the situation.

Agree with this. Karius has not been given a proper chance. Remember DeGea was cr@p for almost 2 years.

Of the little I have seen of Karius, I will say that he is much much better at coming for the ball and 1000000% better at distributing than Misalot.

Also you can't play the high line, well you shouldn't with Mr glued to his line.
He is the antithesis of playing the system we do, no idea what Jürgen is seeing in him.

Pep identified the same issue with Hart for the way he wants to play bought Bravo he was sh*t and went and got someone better who suits the system.
No better example of a sweeper keeper than when Mane booted him in the face.

Here’s a thought.......maybe Lovren AND Gomez AND Migs were all a bit culpable for the first......

Oh and stepping up to play offside is a perfectly legitimate and indeed essential part of a defensive handbook.....suggesting otherwise is ludicrous.

If you don’t you’d be defending in your 6yard box all day 

Lovren was not at fault for the first. He correctly played him offside. Unfortunately, he wasn't to know that Gomez was slow moving and played him on. Lovren held the line. Gomez was at fault.

On that picture looks like Matip is playing him on as well so who is outside of the line?

Here’s a thought.......maybe Lovren AND Gomez AND Migs were all a bit culpable for the first......

Oh and stepping up to play offside is a perfectly legitimate and indeed essential part of a defensive handbook.....suggesting otherwise is ludicrous.

If you don’t you’d be defending in your 6yard box all day 

ONLY if the whole defence/team does it at the same time which clearly they didn't, it was therefore the wrong call by Lovren and his reaction afterwards to rectify his mistake was pathetic.

As you are in an apologetic mood for Lovren what excuse do you have for us on the second one, you know the phantom header, was that also the team's fault rather than Lovren's?

ONLY if the whole defence/team does it at the same time which clearly they didn't, it was therefore the wrong call by Lovren and his reaction afterwards to rectify his mistake was pathetic.

As you are in an apologetic mood for Lovren what excuse do you have for us on the second one, you know the phantom header, was that also the team's fault rather than Lovren's?

Apart from letting his man go I think he could probably have also got his head on it too looked like he fu**ed under it.

The second goal he absolutely has to get his head on that.

Lovren was not at fault for the first. He correctly played him offside. Unfortunately, he wasn't to know that Gomez was slow moving and played him on. Lovren held the line. Gomez was at fault.

Still Lovren's fault and everybody else's fault for not communicating with one another. Everyone is playing their own game.

Lovren was not at fault for the first. He correctly played him offside. Unfortunately, he wasn't to know that Gomez was slow moving and played him on. Lovren held the line. Gomez was at fault.

You're right. Lovren isn't even close to "100%" at fault for this goal. Gomez is for the majority of it and Mignolet for coming out half arsed and missing it, which he shouldn't have to do in the first place had Gomez just held the line.

Oh and stepping up to play offside is a perfectly legitimate and indeed essential part of a defensive handbook.....suggesting otherwise is ludicrous.

Look at who made the comment, shouldn't surprise you then. Of course it is a perfectly legitimate part of a defensive handbook. Don't get the comments either.

On that picture looks like Matip is playing him on as well so who is outside of the line?

Matip is clearly playing the offside trap too. After the ball is played over the top, he even raises his hand for offside because everyone in front of him is on the right line, playing Kane offside. It's only Gomez, who is behind him and who is not on the right line, playing him on.

http://www.fullmatchesandshows.com/2017/10/22/tottenham-hotspur-vs-liverpool-highlights/2/

Watch it again. Matip drops back, checks the line, and stays right level / in front of Lovren, you can even see him checking the line in the picture DanMann put up. In that situation, Lovren is in charge and the rest of the defensive line should be holding his line. Everyone does so, bar Gomez who has no business at all sitting deeper than any of the two CB's to begin with. It's not the first time where Gomez has completely messed up the offside trap (clearest example being one of the goals against Leicester where the whole team was moving forward and he alone took a step back.)

Whether it is or isn't the right decision to play the offside trap there is up for debate, but it's a perfectly viable option and had Gomez not switched off yet again like he has done in similar situations before, we wouldn't be talking about it.

You CAN'T  be offside from a throw in.

You CAN'T  be offside from a throw in.

The through ball wasn’t a throw in 

 

You CAN'T  be offside from a throw in.

Of course you can't be bloody offside from a throw in.

This situation is 5 seconds AFTER the throw in. Before the ball is played over the top, Son has a touch, Eriksen has a touch, Son plays it back to Trippier who then plays it over the top and THAT is the moment we play the offside trap.

It's not all doom and gloom. At least we can say we've been to Wembly this season

there were multiple opportunities to clear the ball after lovern tried to play offside

It's not all doom and gloom. At least we can say we've been to Wembly this season

Sadly our knees went all trembley

On their first goal: Gomez is at fault for failing to play the offside trap; Lovren is at fault because when the ball is played behind him over his right shoulder he turns about 270 degrees to watch it go instead of just running with Kane - Lovren is almost facing the goal line ( and looking at Kane) when the ball is played, and instead of reacting and sprinting towards goal the big idiot just watches the ball, doing the aforementioned all-the-way-back-round 270 turn to do so, during which time Kane gets about 10 yards on him; and then Mig is at fault for selling himself.

On their first goal: Gomez is at fault for failing to play the offside trap; Lovren is at fault because when the ball is played behind him over his right shoulder he turns about 270 degrees to watch it go instead of just running with Kane - Lovren is almost facing the goal line ( and looking at Kane) when the ball is played, and instead of reacting and sprinting towards goal the big idiot just watches the ball, doing the aforementioned all-the-way-back-round 270 turn to do so, during which time Kane gets about 10 yards on him: and then Mig is at fault for selling himself.

but its so easy to just say lovren is crap.

but its so easy to just say lovren is crap.

He makes it easy, to be fair.

He makes it easy, to be fair.

Yep.

Mostly for opposition forwards