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      Robby The Z
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      Lallana Back
      : Nov 07, 2017 05:37:56 pm »
      So it sounds like Adam Lallan will be back and available for selection following the international break. Not sure if he would be available to go 90 for Southampton, but I think we've seen by now that he is one of Klopp's favorites and understandably so.

      So...given that he hasn't featured yet this season, the inclusion of Oxlaide-Chamberlain, the presumed return to health of Coutinho, and our midfield performances over the course of the season, where do you see Lallana fitting into the lineup, tactically. Who misses out as a result? What other players will benefit most from Adam being back in?

      I admit I'm looking for something to talk about in a more-boring-than-usual international break, but hopefully this isn't fishing too deeply for a topic.
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      Re: Lallana Back
      Reply #1 : Nov 07, 2017 05:52:07 pm »
      Backup for Mane?
      Id also like to see what he could do as a CM
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      Reply #2 : Nov 07, 2017 06:01:37 pm »
      Backup for Mane?
      Id also like to see what he could do as a CM

      No danger.

      In for one of midfield.
      « Last Edit: Nov 07, 2017 06:21:05 pm by Scotia »
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      Reply #3 : Nov 07, 2017 06:02:13 pm »
      Its actually a good question, where does he fit in?
      Personally I'd like to see Can dropped into the Henderson role and then have Lallana playing next to Coutinho in CM. Perhaps that would be too attacking a set up but boy oh boy would it scare the sh*t out of opposition defences!

                        Migs (although I want Karius)
      Gomez  Matip  Klavan  Moreno
                        Can
                  Lallana  Coutinho
      Salah                          Mane
                     Firminio
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      Reply #4 : Nov 07, 2017 06:32:33 pm »
      Just don't bother with a defence
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      Reply #5 : Nov 07, 2017 06:38:20 pm »
      Backup for Mane?
      Id also like to see what he could do as a CM

      Backup :lmao: That's a good one!

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      Reply #6 : Nov 07, 2017 06:47:28 pm »
      Its actually a good question, where does he fit in?
      Personally I'd like to see Can dropped into the Henderson role and then have Lallana playing next to Coutinho in CM. Perhaps that would be too attacking a set up but boy oh boy would it scare the sh*t out of opposition defences!

                        Migs (although I want Karius)
      Gomez  Matip  Klavan  Moreno
                        Can
                  Lallana  Coutinho
      Salah                          Mane
                     Firminio

      Fully Agree about  Can  ...  and same preference over Migs.
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      Reply #7 : Nov 07, 2017 07:52:26 pm »
      -----------Hendo
      Lallana------------Coutinho

      That's our best midfield.
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      Reply #8 : Nov 07, 2017 10:09:44 pm »
      It's good to see him back. Never know where the next injury is coming from so it's always a positive to get a top player back. Lallana is very versatile and can fit in in almost any line up.

      He interacts so well, clever, quick football brain. But..there's always a but..we tend to overdo the play outside the box a touch and Lallana at times is guilty of this. Any future line up has to be aware of the need to be a bit more direct.
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      Reply #9 : Nov 08, 2017 01:19:01 am »
      -----------Hendo
      Lallana------------Coutinho

      That's our best midfield.

      Henderson........holy fcuk.
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      Reply #10 : Nov 08, 2017 01:56:16 am »
                             
           Mane           Firmino            Salah

                  Coutinho         Lallana

                       Can/Henderson

      (Other players watching the magic happen)

                               
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      Reply #11 : Nov 08, 2017 07:27:07 am »

      Let's just see if Jürgen agrees. I have a funny feeling he will.

      Can was our worst midfielder against West Ham and donks are like 'ohhhh it's clear to see he's much better than Henderson'. Some people have been drinking too much paint thinner, their passing charts look identical, Can loses the ball more and retrieves it less. But yea, so much better.
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      Reply #12 : Nov 08, 2017 08:30:41 am »
      but I think we've seen by now that he is one of Klopp's favorites and understandably so.
      "Understandably so"?

      If that is indeed the case and if he does (as the o p infers) walk back into the team then clearly Jürgen isn't happy with what has been happening even tho' we have been winning.

      Personally I have no issue with that but others (they who take exception to anyone suggesting the team can do better) might.

      Where would I play him should he walk straight back in? Hmm...

      I'd probably play Bobby alongside Coutinho, in the now infamous triangle, as two 'inside forwards', in a midfield three - just behind Mo/Sadio. Moving Adam up to play with those two.

      Who would lose their place [in a winning team]? F**k knows... probably Can (who doesn't, it seems, want to stay here anyhow) but, just for shits and giggles and to give Jürgen's armchair aides their wish: why not Hendo? (Can is in better form IMO).

      And sure, if we start to lose; we can call the experiment "teething problems" - pointing out that Naby will be here next season so Saul Goodman. 😉

      « Last Edit: Nov 08, 2017 09:34:29 am by bad boy bubby »
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      Reply #13 : Nov 08, 2017 09:27:00 am »
      Let's just see if Jürgen agrees. I have a funny feeling he will.

      Can was our worst midfielder against West Ham and donks are like 'ohhhh it's clear to see he's much better than Henderson'. Some people have been drinking too much paint thinner, their passing charts look identical, Can loses the ball more and retrieves it less. But yea, so much better.

      Henderson is sh*t mate. Just admit it.
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      Reply #14 : Nov 08, 2017 09:46:38 am »
      Let's just see if Jürgen agrees. I have a funny feeling he will.
      The chances are that you're right Mags especially if what we are told about Jürgen loving the press [recovering the ball] is true.

      People often point out what a great job Bobby does in that [the press/recoverey] respect and argue that this work is invaluable in Jürgen's set up.

      So, if that much is true and that argument is applied equally [no double standards], then Jordan, who presses/recovers more than anyone in the team, must start, you would think. 😎
      « Last Edit: Nov 08, 2017 11:03:16 am by bad boy bubby »
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      Reply #15 : Nov 08, 2017 11:03:34 am »
      The chances are youre right Mags especially if what we are told about Jürgen loving the press [recovering the ball] is true.

      People often point out what a great job Bobby does in that [the press/recoverey] respect and argue that this work is invaluable in Jürgen's set up.

      So, if that much is true and that argument is applied equally [no double standards], then Jordan, who presses/recovers more than anyone in the team, must start, you would think. 😎


      But Bubby - he’s “sh*t”.....didn’t you know?

      More than that he’s actually a “shithouse” indeed  :f_tongueincheek:

      On Lallana. I think he’ll have a couple sub appearances and then be back in - either in middle or further up. We miss how quickly he shifts the ball / angle of attack - even just by how he receives the ball in the final 3rd......especially against the bus parkers.

      Then again - that’s just the evidence of my own eyes. He’s probably some sort of dilapidated out-building too and I’ve just missed the memo ;)

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      Reply #16 : Nov 08, 2017 12:39:41 pm »
      I'll be interested to see how our pressing is affected when Lallana comes back to regular first team footy. Taking out someone along the lines of Can, Gini and Milner to have Lallana in, is bound to affect the dynamics of our pressing game.
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      Reply #17 : Nov 08, 2017 01:11:22 pm »
      Let's just see if Jürgen agrees. I have a funny feeling he will.

      Can was our worst midfielder against West Ham and donks are like 'ohhhh it's clear to see he's much better than Henderson'. Some people have been drinking too much paint thinner, their passing charts look identical, Can loses the ball more and retrieves it less. But yea, so much better.

      Agreed.

      Can has been sh*t for the most part this season.

      Very inconsistent player which is why the club don't seem too concerned about losing him on a free in the Summer.
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      Reply #18 : Nov 08, 2017 01:19:59 pm »
      Lallana 10.
      Coutinho 8.
      Henderson 6.
      Mane 7.
      Salah 11.
      Firmino 9.

      There were a couple of times towards the end of last season when coutinho was pushed into the middle (which is his best position in my opinion). I thought coutinho would play in the 10 role and lallana in the 8 but klopp had it the other way round and he was right to do so.  Coutinho is far better at collecting the ball from the back four than what Lallana is, and his vision and ability to start attacks off is way better too.  When coutinho comes deep and gets the ball, notice salah and watch him go because he knows coutinho is going to find him with the pass. Due to injuries etc we haven't seen much of it this season yet because coutinho has mostly been out wide.

      Lallana on the other hand is much more aggressive than Coutinho when we don't have the ball. Quite often, Henderson gets all the plaudits (from his fan boys) for starting the press but I think that's bollocks. Its actually Lallana who kicks the press off and that's where you want him, in the 10 role, with firmino just in front of him. The pair of them won't give the oppoisition a minutes peace.   Lallana is also a very good footballer, very capable on the ball, and he too is much better in the middle than he is out wide. I could never understand why we ever played him LW or why he still plays there for England. You want him in the middle, in the 10 role all day long.

      Its no secret I don't like Henderson (what a win on Saturday night by the way - another smashing without him in the team), but I think he is at his best with lallana in the middle with him. The alternatives are milner whos too slow, wijnaldum who I think is a much better footballer than Henderson but he is guilty of inconsistency, or Can who again blows hot and cold and doesn't even want to be here. So Henderson only just about gets the nod from me in that line up.

      The sooner Keita comes in the better though  :D
         

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      Reply #19 : Nov 08, 2017 01:27:24 pm »
      I'll be interested to see how our pressing is affected when Lallana comes back to regular first team footy. Taking out someone along the lines of Can, Gini and Milner to have Lallana in, is bound to affect the dynamics of our pressing game.

      Imaginea Firmino, Mane, Salah, Henderson & Lallana , f**k me, the opposition would never get out of their own half!!! Just need a DLPM to dictate and create from deep!
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      Reply #20 : Nov 08, 2017 01:29:03 pm »
      Imaginea Firmino, Mane, Salah, Henderson & Lallana , f**k me, the opposition would never get out of their own half!!! Just need a DLPM to dictate and create from deep!

      Keita?, if he can steer clear of anymore trouble and actually make it hear next summer :D
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      Reply #21 : Nov 08, 2017 01:35:55 pm »
      Henderson is sh*t mate. Just admit it.

      I don't want to turn this into another Henderson debate, god knows I've have enough of those now people are probably sick of seeing them from me.

      I will say that this post sums up what I think is wrong with the criticism of him. I go out and do the research to back up my points about passing, pressing etc. The retort is usually something like 'I know what I see, he's sh*te'.

      I encourage people to prove it, there have been some who have provided good debate with incidents and data to back it which I found interesting... but this 'He's sh*te' business is bottom of the barrel for me.
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      Reply #22 : Nov 08, 2017 01:46:49 pm »
      I don't want to turn this into another Henderson debate, god knows I've have enough of those now people are probably sick of seeing them from me.

      I will say that this post sums up what I think is wrong with the criticism of him. I go out and do the research to back up my points about passing, pressing etc. The retort is usually something like 'I know what I see, he's sh*te'.

      I encourage people to prove it, there have been some who have provided good debate with incidents and data to back it which I found interesting... but this 'He's sh*te' business is bottom of the barrel for me.

      There's a reason Police take very little notice of eyewitnesses.
      Put simply, people see what they want to see, and most are not very observant.
      This is the main reason I refrain from commenting on a match until I've watched it again, using freeze frame and rewinding bits I find interesting.

      It's like the whole Wijnaldum thing; he does so much of the dirty work that Lucas used to do, but he does it further up the pitch.
      People just don't see it.

      Back to Lallana, he's such a f**king nuisance for the opposition, never stops running, hassling, harrying, niggling away at them, plus he's pretty quick, skillful and chips in with his share of goals.
      It'll be good to have him back.
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      Reply #23 : Nov 08, 2017 04:35:37 pm »
      Going to be a very instrumental player to the remaining season, Adam will help unlock teams much easier by making & creating more chances for our trident MFS..

      Made up to see him back & much missed.
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      Reply #24 : Nov 08, 2017 07:14:09 pm »
      Adam is a big player for Liverpool he could possibly be the difference between CL football and the Europa Cup IMO 
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      Reply #25 : Nov 08, 2017 08:05:06 pm »
                             
           Mane           Firmino            Salah

                  Coutinho         Lallana

                       Can/Henderson

      (Other players watching the magic happen)

                               

      Yeah. This is the line up Jürgen has been waiting for all season ( I think/hope).

      Pundits keep saying we are "electrifying" going forward. That is really a hangover from the first half of last season. This season we have been decent going forward, with spells of being really good, but that's it. Get that lot on the field together, though, and we have a chance of actually being electrifying.

      The main thing then will be for the "other players watching the magic happen" not to fall into a trance.
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      Reply #26 : Nov 08, 2017 08:53:40 pm »
      I was just browsing through our pre-season games and looking at when we had all five of them available. We never had all five of them on the pitch together. It's a very, very small sample of games of course (3 or 4, which include the Bayern and Atletico game).

      The closest we came to fielding all five was against Bayern, where we set up differently compared to our usual starting formation. Lallana was on the bench for that one and later came on for Mane. I actually doubt that we'll see the five of them together in a starting line-up very often. Only in games at home against teams like Huddersfield who have no intention whatsoever of attacking, then we'll likely need them all to unlock the defences. I can't see him do it away from home for example, where we've been pretty poor defensively.

      Against the bigger / better teams, in high tempo games where we need our pressing, this is our strongest starting eleven for me:



      Firmino, Salah, Mane and Henderson are nailed on starters for Klopp I think (for me too). That leaves the #8 spots for Wijnaldum, Lallana and Coutinho. The midfield trio of Wijnaldum - Henderson - Lallana bossed (big) teams on a regular basis last season. That's a very balanced team, all three of them can cover large distances during a game, they press well, they're good both defensively and offensively. Coutinho, in my opinion, isn't suited to that midfield #8 role (in our 4-3-3) in a high tempo game where our pressing in midfield is vital. He's the best out of the three offensively, but he offers little defensively in comparison to the other two, something we need from our #8's in our usual 4-3-3. A midfield of Coutinho - Henderson - Lallana just doesn't look very balanced to me.

      There were a couple of times towards the end of last season when coutinho was pushed into the middle (which is his best position in my opinion). I thought coutinho would play in the 10 role and lallana in the 8 but klopp had it the other way round and he was right to do so.

      I can't see both Lallana and Coutinho in our line-up without Mane, Salah or Firmino missing out. When we played Coutinho in a more central role (indeed Coutinho wide in the diamond and Lallana as #10 as you say), we always had both Wijnaldum and Can in the line-up too to make up for his lack of defensive qualities. So if we have both Henderson and Wijnaldum (who have always been starters when fit, Can always missed out then) on the pitch, who is our 3rd midfielder, or when playing a diamond, which of the wide players misses out?

      Then we're not even talking about Chamberlain who seems to be adapting reasonably well. Klopp will have some right headaches after the international break. Don't think we've ever had so many quality options in the front 4 / 5 to choose from! All of them are able to play in different formations too, so it's likely that we'll see quite a few different set-ups I think.

      It's like the whole Wijnaldum thing; he does so much of the dirty work that Lucas used to do, but he does it further up the pitch.
      People just don't see it.

      I honestly don't get it when I see someone writing / questioning what it is exactly that Wijnaldum offers or what he does on the pitch. Other than injuries / the very odd game of rest, he has started almost every single game under Klopp. It's funny how everyone watches games differently and come out with completely different conclusions after watching the same game.

      I for example thought Wijnaldum had a great game against West-Ham. That of course disappears into nothing when you see Salah's / Mane's performances and their assists / goals.
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      Re: Lallana Back
      Reply #27 : Nov 08, 2017 10:31:30 pm »
      -----------Hendo
      Lallana------------Coutinho

      That's our best midfield.

      Man.... imagine keeping hold of Coutinho and replacing Hendo with Keita there.....
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      Reply #28 : Nov 08, 2017 11:12:42 pm »
      Don’t know exactly where he’ll fit in but when he’s back up to speed he walks into the team for me.

      Crucial player.
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      Reply #29 : Nov 09, 2017 12:06:18 am »

      I honestly don't get it when I see someone writing / questioning what it is exactly that Wijnaldum offers or what he does on the pitch. Other than injuries / the very odd game of rest, he has started almost every single game under Klopp. It's funny how everyone watches games differently and come out with completely different conclusions after watching the same game.

      I for example thought Wijnaldum had a great game against West-Ham. That of course disappears into nothing when you see Salah's / Mane's performances and their assists / goals.

      Wijnaldum has been good all season IMO.
      It's not always apparent when watching the match live, what with so much going on, but he does so much good work.
      It's not always about winning the ball or a spectacular shot, a lot of the time it's about "grunt work"; doing the ugly stuff, cutting down passing lanes and angles and basically being a bloody nuisance.

      He does a lot of the same things Lallana does, but obviously Lallana is a better goalscorer.

      Personally, I think our midfield 3 is criminally underrated.
      We have pace, power, passing, and we can impose ourselves on the opposition.
      What's missing at the moment is defensive discipline, and I mean that from the forwards back; as Klopp says, we make too many individual errors.
      To be fair, Klopp plays complex systems, and hasn't got all the players in place that he wants.

      Having said that, being able to start with Lallana, Wijnaldum, Coutinho (at a pinch) or Can in front of Henderson, and having the luxury of replacing good players with another good player will stand us in good stead this season.

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