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      Sevilla 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion

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      KopiteLuke
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      Re: Sevilla 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #644: Nov 22, 2017 10:42:10 am
      Spanish police in Sevilla have always been cu*ts to English football fans. Loads of English team's fans going there have been battoned by those arseholes.

      Absolute c**t behaviour from our stewards and club officials too.

      https://twitter.com/MattVanenburg/status/933120831366025217

      That's pretty F***ing brutal that.
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      Reply #645: Nov 22, 2017 11:02:23 am
      'Bargain Basement Defenders Fold Like A Cheap Suit: "World's Most Knowledgeable" Left Baffled' 😄

      Seriously tho' - I fully understand why people get angry and lash out at individual players but...

      We would all be best served to remember these, few, things -

      * All the players have been billed as players who "fit" a Club style/philosophy and were signed as such.
      * None of them scouted themselves.
      * None of them signed themselves.
      * None of them pick themselves.
      * All the good uns want to leave [why?]

      A short decade ago we were #1in Europe; coming out of yet another European Cup. Look at that list of players. So what went wrong?

      Forget blaming individual players; this rot runs deeper than our goalkeeper, full back, centre half or midfield... use your nappers: look deeper. 😕
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      Re: Sevilla 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #646: Nov 22, 2017 11:07:12 am
      Nobody died.

      We got a good result (that should have been better) in a bizarre game in a bear pit against a team unbeaten in 25 (now 26) at home in Europe.....

      Win at home and we’re through to the knockout stages. That’s progress again.

      At home - back in race for top 4.

      Problems?

      Yeh, but first world problems. Jaysus some on here would wail and gnash their teeth at the fact their grated cheese has come in a block......

      Wait, we get cheese? Why was I not made aware of this?
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      Re: Sevilla 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #647: Nov 22, 2017 11:15:34 am
      It is very tiring talking of hendo, wijnaldum and moreno over and over and over again. Klopp continuing to play the 3 in the same team, we can expect more days like this. If Klopp don't realize they are the ones holding back the team, god help him.
       
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      Re: Sevilla 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #648: Nov 22, 2017 11:44:57 am
      Don't get precious about it calling me a hypocrite.

      All the scenarios you have highlighted are individual errors and mistakes that happen week in week out and if they didn't every game would end up a dour 0-0 draw. Ultimately every time a team scores a goal someone on the receiving end has made an error or mistake whether it be positioning, timing, awareness etc. somewhere in the build up.

      Where Klopp gets it wrong for me is the team setup in the second half and being slow to react with his substitutes, never should have waited to concede 2 goals to hook two players and replace one of them to supplement a change in formation (Can).

      Not the first time we have capitulated like this under Klopp either think Norwich, Bournemouth and the EL Final to a degree.

      Don't get me wrong love the man but he got it wrong and needs to take responsibility for it.

      Haha who’s getting precious soft lad?, I just call it as I see it and you, are a hypocrite.

      You say individual errors that happen in a game and that’s part and parcel of football but then say we shouldn’t of waited until they got the 2nd goal to change things. Well if that’s the case then after any individual error we would constantly be changing players if a goal is conceded. That installs a lot of confidence in your players doesn’t it, for something you yourself say is part and parcel of football.
      He hardly had a Lovren vs Spurs performance, in fact not long after their first goal, Gomez got beaten yet again down the right, a good cross got put into the box and it was Moreno there to clear it off the line. So he had a mixed night.

      If Klopp was slow to react then why did he make 2 changes within minutes of the 2nd goal going in?
      One of his changes, Can would have had an assist to his name had it not been for Banega recovering well to put a block in and stop his side going 4-2 down.
      You’d have been praising the substitutions to high heaven then.

      Will say it again, to lay the blame 150% on Klopp and coming out with what you are coming out with is hypocrisy at it’s finest.
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      Re: Sevilla 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #649: Nov 22, 2017 12:05:35 pm
      I am pretty sure that would have been your very same words after today's 1st half of the possibility to still draw. Our team is a bad choice for predictions or bets, I tell ya.

      I don't know. Spartak were awful when we played them and could not even best Maribor
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      Re: Sevilla 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #650: Nov 22, 2017 12:07:38 pm
      To brighten our day:

      www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYDK93JnOmw

      Scored last night

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      Re: Sevilla 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #651: Nov 22, 2017 12:23:32 pm
      That second half performance (and part of first half) reminded me when we played Valencia 13 years ago. We just could not get the ball of them.

      Spanish teams are seriously a class above any English team for short passing .

      How many times do we surrender leads like this  when we come under pressure. The midfield is a huge problem. Henderson is not captain material and is not a DM, he should be benched.  Gigi should only play in home games.

      I'd like to see in midfield now:

      Home:

      Can
      Winaldum
      Coutinho

      Away:

      Can/Milner
      Lallana
      Coutinho

      Surprised some people thought Gomez had a bad game , I thought he played well. karius made some great saves and did well rushing off his line.
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      Re: Sevilla 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #652: Nov 22, 2017 12:45:04 pm
      Problems?

      Yeh, but first world problems. Jaysus some on here would wail and gnash their teeth at the fact their grated cheese has come in a block......

      My problem is the inability to defend a lead.

      The inability to take on what was laid down by the greats of the past - you know going away from home and boring the F***ing arse off the opposition and getting the result.

      This suicidal football we play at times may be exciting for some, but we'll win F**k all playing that way.
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      Reply #653: Nov 22, 2017 12:56:28 pm
      My problem is the inability to defend a lead.

      The inability to take on what was laid down by the greats of the past - you know going away from home and boring the f**king arse off the opposition and getting the result.

      This suicidal football we play at times may be exciting for some, but we'll win f**k all playing that way.


      I hear you HR. Our game management has to improve.....but

      He isn’t gonna do that grinding thing we’ve seen in the past. Right or wrong he’s gonna set up to hurt the opposition - that means when we’re under the most pressure we’re often at our most dangerous - our 2nd last night and West Ham are prime examples.

      Bob and Rafa’s teams were masters at it taking the steam out of the opposition but Jürgen is gonna try to make them boil over and concede again......

      I actually think we were too comfortable start of second half and dawdled a bit, inviting them on.

      It’s gonna be white knuckle stuff.
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      Re: Sevilla 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #654: Nov 22, 2017 01:29:49 pm
      Lets be honest, in recent times when have ever secured progress from a group with a game to spare, if it's not by the skin of our teeth it just isn't us.

      Should have seen the game out at 3-0.  you would expect them to get a goal back, but 3 was poor.  Just as we should not get carried away with how good we were in the 1st half we should not get too down hearted about how bad we were in the 2nd.

      We have 1 game let to put that right and i am sure we will.

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      Re: Sevilla 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #655: Nov 22, 2017 01:56:57 pm
      Apparently the Sevilla boss’ half time team talk was telling his side he has cancer
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      Re: Sevilla 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #656: Nov 22, 2017 02:56:30 pm
      Buoyed up maybe.. but that aside, it does not excuse the complete capitulation by our lads. We could not get or keep hold of the ball. Shocking 2nd half performance.

      My stream did not show how badly Moreno played. Must have been those moments it skipped around. Unless it was because of the penalty that he is suddenly so criticised?

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      Reply #657: Nov 22, 2017 03:00:03 pm
      My stream did not show how badly Moreno played. Must have been those moments it skipped around. Unless it was because of the penalty that he is suddenly so criticised?

      His giving away a stupid free-kick, positioning & defending which led to the first wasn't too great either!!

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      Re: Sevilla 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #658: Nov 22, 2017 03:55:02 pm
      For the love of God, I hope you're joking.

      I am not. Look where the ball comes down - right on the border of his goalie box. A keeper has to go to that ball, either catching it or fisting it. Otherwise you see what happens. For me that is a mistake, because he's too hesistant (in general by the way). I'd really love an expert opinion here, i.e. from a goalie that plays at least semi-professionally (I just played as an amateur).

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      Re: Sevilla 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #659: Nov 22, 2017 04:31:22 pm
      Apparently the Sevilla boss’ half time team talk was telling his side he has cancer

      Kind of hard to compete with that.

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      Re: Sevilla 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #660: Nov 22, 2017 04:48:13 pm
      Buoyed up maybe.. but that aside, it does not excuse the complete capitulation by our lads. We could not get or keep hold of the ball. Shocking 2nd half performance.

      My stream did not show how badly Moreno played. Must have been those moments it skipped around. Unless it was because of the penalty that he is suddenly so criticised?

      2 massive mistakes leading directly to goals.

      That’s very bad in my book.
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      Re: Sevilla 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #661: Nov 22, 2017 05:19:56 pm
      2 massive mistakes leading directly to goals.

      That’s very bad in my book.

      Two mistakes leading to goals but not two mistakes only, he made more and almost cost us two more earlier on. If it hadn't been for Karius they could have equalised in the first half. The worst thing wasn't even that, it was no one having a word with him telling him to sort his bloody head out. The sheer meekness of this side is sickening.
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      Re: Sevilla 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #662: Nov 22, 2017 06:00:45 pm
      How can a team not defend a 3-0 lead for 45 minuets truly shocking
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      Re: Sevilla 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #663: Nov 22, 2017 06:03:12 pm
      How can a team not defend a 3-0 lead for 45 minuets truly shocking

      Ask carlo ancelloti
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      Re: Sevilla 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #664: Nov 22, 2017 06:45:09 pm
      How can a team not defend a 3-0 lead for 6 minuets truly shocking



      Fixed
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      Re: Sevilla 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #665: Nov 22, 2017 08:29:17 pm
      When we continue to surrender 3 goals lead time and again suggests that there are serious problems within the team that remained unresolved and it just don't happen like that. As i kept saying time and again, I think Klopp is a good manager but he tried to over applied man management to accommodate the permanent weaknesses of the players and hope that it will come good one day; it never will; it will only continue to be detrimental to the results and himself.

      We needed a world class DM and I'm still waiting after 8 long years and Klopp couldn;t see that.
      Moreno is Moreno and like what Souness had said; is just an accident waiting to happen. When he lost a ball in a melee he is like a headless chicken. Wijnaldum, not sure  how to describe him except he just made up the number of players needed to start a game. Hendo, enough said.
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      Re: Sevilla 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #666: Nov 22, 2017 08:41:06 pm
      We needed a world class DM and I'm still waiting after 8 long years and Klopp couldn;t see that.

      Not even a world class one is needed tbh!! But, has it really been that long since Dalglish left? He understood the importance of a specialist, with Lucas and then Spearing (who I thought was decent enough cover) covering the injured Lucas, but under Rodgers and Klopp, it's just ridiculous!

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