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      Sevilla 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion

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      Re: Sevilla 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #667: Nov 22, 2017 08:50:42 pm

      If Klopp was slow to react then why did he make 2 changes within minutes of the 2nd goal going in?
      One of his changes, Can would have had an assist to his name had it not been for Banega recovering well to put a block in and stop his side going 4-2 down.
      You’d have been praising the substitutions to high heaven then.


      Maybe he could've made the changes a little bit earlier in the 2nd half - but we were still ahead, he made exactly the right changes imho, and the game settled down and the one way flow was stemmed. They were plugging away, but I thought we held out relatively well (for us).
      Tbh, I was thinking ... this is good ... we were under pressure, we made some changes, we'll shut up shop and hold on for the 3 pts.

      In fairness, we almost did. Such a pity the ball dropped kindly for the f**ker who scored.

      We hold on for that extra 2 mins, it's a really good 3 pts.   Fine margins and all ...
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      Re: Sevilla 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #668: Nov 22, 2017 09:04:27 pm
      Not even a world class one is needed tbh!! But, has it really been that long since Dalglish left? He understood the importance of a specialist, with Lucas and then Spearing (who I thought was decent enough cover) covering the injured Lucas, but under Rodgers and Klopp, it's just ridiculous!

      i'm running the risk of being flamed here by asking the question whether Klopp is a genuine world class quality manager when he thinks that Hendo, Wijnaldum and Can is that much needed DM. When we continue to score 3 goals and conceded 3 next suggests that Klopp could be a world class attacking manager but failed miserably when it comes to how to defend properly. When we have the Nevilles and Ferdinands coming out telling Klopp what is wrong with some of the players, sadly but true and majority of the fans believe the same and yet Klopp continues to do nothing week in week out but continue to over apply man management will only cause permanent damage to the club.

      He said  after the Sevilla game, "they stopped playing'; then it is his duty to quickly ship these players out. Talking of "stopped playing"; how many times already this season they stopped playing and what did Klopp do to these players? Yes Hendo stopped playing in the last minute inside our goal and strolling and allowed the Sevilla player to sneak in for the last kick of the game to equalise. Please put action into your words and dropped our captain fantastic to the bench and as back-up player.
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      Re: Sevilla 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #669: Nov 22, 2017 10:45:28 pm
      I think that Klopp need to take a page for Pep Guardiola managerial book and have a real clear out.... This summer Man City got rid of six players and look a lot better team for it... Klopp needs to stop F***ing about and do the same... I am not saying any particular number of players, but there are a few that need gone....
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      Re: Sevilla 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #670: Nov 22, 2017 10:51:02 pm
      I think that Klopp need to take a page for Pep Guardiola managerial book and have a real clear out.... This summer Man City got rid of six players and look a lot better team for it... Klopp needs to stop f**king about and do the same... I am not saying any particular number of players, but there are a few that need gone....

      You know what annoys me, our attack (Mane, Salah, Firmino & Coutinho) is just as good, if not better than City and Napoli's, and both their defenses aren't exactly great, but if you watch both Napoli and City, you will see the difference is in the midfield where they win and control the middle.
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      Re: Sevilla 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #671: Nov 23, 2017 12:06:07 am
      I think that Klopp need to take a page for Pep Guardiola managerial book and have a real clear out.... This summer Man City got rid of six players and look a lot better team for it... Klopp needs to stop f**king about and do the same... I am not saying any particular number of players, but there are a few that need gone....

      I totally agree with you but we don't have an open cheque book like city.

      They can spend however much money they want on how many players they want and if they flop then so what, they'll just sign the next biggest name the summer after.

      We need to be careful on who we sign because we could have them for the next 4 or 5 seasons.

      To be honest though, could they be any worse than some of our current squad who have been languishing around mid table for years?

      If it wasn't for mane and salah, both klopp signings, then we wouldn't be anywhere near the top four.

      The point being it's a gamble completely stripping the squad bare for a club like ours, but one I think is worth it.

      Some of them just aren't good enough. So would be any worse at bringing somebody else who isn't good enough? No.

      And there's a chance that they WILL be good enough.
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      Re: Sevilla 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #672: Nov 23, 2017 12:25:50 am
      Interesting comments on the ITV Champions League highlights programme tonight.

      Reminded us that Moreno was the weakest link in the Europa Final v Sevilla last year.

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36254631       
      18th of MAY  2016


      Klopp's spirit of renewal papered over some of the cracks in the Liverpool squad he inherited but they were brutally exposed by Sevilla's second half masterclass.

      Liverpool were fragile mentally after the equaliser and it was quite simply too easy to get behind their defensive unit, with Alberto Moreno's shocking performance demonstrating once again he is a weakness that must be addressed.

      The Spaniard was beaten far too easily in the build-up to Sevilla's opening goal.


         
      That was eighteen months ago ! FFS!
      « Last Edit: Nov 23, 2017 12:31:35 am by MIRO »
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      Re: Sevilla 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #673: Nov 23, 2017 02:00:06 am
      I think that Klopp need to take a page for Pep Guardiola managerial book and have a real clear out.... This summer Man City got rid of six players and look a lot better team for it... Klopp needs to stop F***ing about and do the same... I am not saying any particular number of players, but there are a few that need gone....

      Bit of a difference when they can get rid of six players and buy six more because they have oil Sheikh's backing!!
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      Re: Sevilla 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #674: Nov 23, 2017 09:05:00 am
      I think that Klopp need to take a page for Pep Guardiola managerial book and have a real clear out....

      Summer just gone was the 'big summer'.
      Oh wait ...
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      Re: Sevilla 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #675: Nov 23, 2017 11:53:49 am
      I totally agree with you but we don't have an open cheque book like city.

      They can spend however much money they want on how many players they want and if they flop then so what, they'll just sign the next biggest name the summer after.

      We need to be careful on who we sign because we could have them for the next 4 or 5 seasons.

      To be honest though, could they be any worse than some of our current squad who have been languishing around mid table for years?

      If it wasn't for mane and salah, both klopp signings, then we wouldn't be anywhere near the top four.

      The point being it's a gamble completely stripping the squad bare for a club like ours, but one I think is worth it.

      Some of them just aren't good enough. So would be any worse at bringing somebody else who isn't good enough? No.

      And there's a chance that they WILL be good enough.

      Well there are a few we can get rid of and replace them with players we all ready have... Robinson for Moreno...maybe not as good going forward, but can defend better... Gomez for Lovren ....Solanke...For Sturridge maybe he is not as good (Needs more game time, Like Woodburn and Ryan) But they will not get this while Sturridge and Ings are at the club...there's three players without spending, and we free up some valuable revenue to spend in the transfer market... It is a start
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      Re: Sevilla 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #676: Nov 23, 2017 12:01:38 pm
      Bit of a difference when they can get rid of six players and buy six more because they have oil Sheikh's backing!!

      It is not about bring in six players, it is about recognizing that we need replacements and replacing them, whether that be two for two, or four for two (four out)... We have sat on players like Moreno, Migs and Sturridge far longer than we should have,add Ings to that list too... I am suggesting that Pep would have replaced them long ago, and so should we...

      Yes there is Aguero, but he has never been out injured for as long or as many times as Sturridge
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      Re: Sevilla 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #677: Nov 23, 2017 12:48:54 pm
      Interesting comments on the ITV Champions League highlights programme tonight.

      Reminded us that Moreno was the weakest link in the Europa Final v Sevilla last year.

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36254631       
      18th of MAY  2016


      Klopp's spirit of renewal papered over some of the cracks in the Liverpool squad he inherited but they were brutally exposed by Sevilla's second half masterclass.

      Liverpool were fragile mentally after the equaliser and it was quite simply too easy to get behind their defensive unit, with Alberto Moreno's shocking performance demonstrating once again he is a weakness that must be addressed.

      The Spaniard was beaten far too easily in the build-up to Sevilla's opening goal.


         
      That was eighteen months ago ! FFS!
      Within 18 seconds of the second half Moreno had made two mistakes and Saville had scored.

      For me that's (so long as we quilify) the most annoying part of this weeks game it reminds me of the trophy we should of won and was lost due to poor defending
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      Re: Sevilla 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #678: Nov 23, 2017 12:57:16 pm
      It is not about bring in six players, it is about recognizing that we need replacements and replacing them, whether that be two for two, or four for two (four out)... We have sat on players like Moreno, Migs and Sturridge far longer than we should have,add Ings to that list too... I am suggesting that Pep would have replaced them long ago, and so should we...

      Yes there is Aguero, but he has never been out injured for as long or as many times as Sturridge

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      Re: Sevilla 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #679: Nov 23, 2017 12:57:51 pm
      I like Klopp's attitude to stick with guys like Moreno and try to make them better, even when the road is long and bumby. It gives our club character. If spending money to get the best players and treating players like chess figures is what it's all about I go to my computer and put in some football manager game.

      Another point: Could our 2nd half "failures" be the consequence of Klopp's demanding pressing system, so that our players get tired earlier?
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      Reply #680: Nov 23, 2017 01:15:05 pm
      I like Klopp's attitude to stick with guys like Moreno and try to make them better, even when the road is long and bumby. It gives our club character. If spending money to get the best players and treating players like chess figures is what it's all about I go to my computer and put in some football manager game.

      Another point: Could our 2nd half "failures" be the consequence of Klopp's demanding pressing system, so that our players get tired earlier?

      Eh, it's good that a manager sticks with players...to a point. I agree players shouldn't be looking over their shoulder with every mistake, but when the pattern continues, then you have to make the switch, especially in a case where you've bought for the position and the mistakes typically are of the calamitous variety. I know Moreno has done better this season, but winning games against the likes of Seville is where we need to be as a club/team and he has shown twice now that he isn't of the caliber.
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      Re: Sevilla 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #681: Nov 23, 2017 01:17:30 pm
      Kompany ? The Belgian frank sinatra
      Yeah I'll concede that one... But in defense (No punt intended) for Kompany great player for City
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      Re: Sevilla 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #682: Nov 23, 2017 01:45:18 pm
      I like Klopp's attitude to stick with guys like Moreno and try to make them better, even when the road is long and bumby. It gives our club character. If spending money to get the best players and treating players like chess figures is what it's all about I go to my computer and put in some football manager game.
      There is nothing admirable or character building about playing with the same players watching them make the same mistakes again and again.

      It does not build character, in fact it does the opposite -  It is bringing about disillusion, all you have to do is look at the players to see some of them are really pissed at these stupid mistakes. If we don’t get rid of certain players our best will become disillusioned and leave, they will wont to play for a team that does not except awful mistakes as being inevitable.

      Every club spends money to buy the best players they can. And when you consider we were told we had £200 million to spend last window we should of been able to get better players than we have now.
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      Re: Sevilla 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #683: Nov 23, 2017 04:22:06 pm
      I like Klopp's attitude to stick with guys like Moreno and try to make them better, even when the road is long and bumby. It gives our club character. If spending money to get the best players and treating players like chess figures is what it's all about I go to my computer and put in some football manager game.

      Another point: Could our 2nd half "failures" be the consequence of Klopp's demanding pressing system, so that our players get tired earlier?

      So you prefer us to stick with sh*t player slike Lovren, MIgs and Moreno rather than actually win anything with good players, it must piss you off then that we went out and got Salah, Mane etc rather than sticking with Origi
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      Re: Sevilla 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #684: Nov 23, 2017 08:00:00 pm
      I wouldn't disagree that Moreno was pretty desperate on Tuesday and his errors cost us dearly, but before the game, which of us would have dropped him after his recent form in the league? 

      Plenty on this forum have cited him as being one of our best players this season. 

      I've always been mystified about what JK sees in him, and think its mad that he won't pick Robertson. Yet Bertie has been justifying his selection in recent games.

      Just goes to show, a player's only as good/bad as their last performance.
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      Re: Sevilla 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #685: Nov 23, 2017 08:42:09 pm
      I wouldn't disagree that Moreno was pretty desperate on Tuesday and his errors cost us dearly, but before the game, which of us would have dropped him after his recent form in the league?
      His good form has come against teams that haven't put us under any pressure. The second a team puts us under any pressure he is vulnerable.

      He has had more than enough chances and he is still making stupid mistakes.
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      Re: Sevilla 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #686: Nov 24, 2017 08:18:55 pm
      I’m not putting the blame on Moreno but it’s clear as day for everyone to see, who gave away the free kick? Who didn’t see the player making a run for the header from that free kick? Moreno.

      Who failed to control a pass and as a result tripped a player in the box? Moreno.
      That’s not me pinning the blame on anyone for the sake of it, that is stating what happened.
      You say Moreno was the catalyst yourself so how is that me putting the blame on him because you are admitting yourself the same facts that I have just stated.

      You will also see in the match thread that I done a post saying that it’s games like this that evidently shows up a real lack of leadership within the team. I will find it for you if you really want me to?

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      Re: Sevilla 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #687: Nov 24, 2017 08:23:03 pm
      No mate, no need, I trust you, but I just did not see it,
      I'm over it now, until it happens again.  We move on

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