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      Virgil van Dijk Player Thread

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      Diamond__Dog
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      Re: Virgil van Dijk Player Thread
      Reply #475: Nov 05, 2018 08:19:11 am
      Your me not embarrassing me sunshine. Remotely.

      You are just shouting an opinion based on a very flawed understanding of zonal.

      Trust me after coaching for a long time I understand what I see. In that situation he has to go with his man because the line is breached. Gomez could also have closed the gap. 

      Good luck to you on here - you might wanna draft in a little bit of humility if you’re planning hanging round.



      The opinion is based on my sensibility and experience. Also coaching for a long time does not warrant any monopoly on wisdom nor truth. I do give people the benefit of the doubt at first, but I have to correct you here I'm afraid.

      Just look at the distance between Lacazette and the goalkeeper and the position of the defenders @81:16. Since Lacazette was sprinting to the opposite direction of van dijk it would leave a huge gap if he followed him. Also Lacazette was so fast, van dijks sprint would be for nought while also leaving a big gap in the middle Walbeck easily could exploit for a tap in.

      Also you say it 'compounds' by not covering the net. Would it be easier to aim for the goal with two/three players interfering or easier to lay it off to a free Walbeck for an easy tap in? It should be clear now.
      « Last Edit: Nov 05, 2018 08:23:54 am by Diamond__Dog »
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      Re: Virgil van Dijk Player Thread
      Reply #476: Nov 05, 2018 08:27:49 am
      The opinion is based on my sensibility and experience. Also coaching for a long time does not warrant any monopoly on wisdom nor truth. I do give people the benefit of the doubt at first, but I have to correct you here I'm afraid.

      Just look at the distance between Lacazette and the goalkeeper and the position of the defenders @21:16. Since Lacazette was sprinting to the opposite direction of van dijk it would leave a huge gap if he followed him. Also Lacazette was so fast, van dijks sprint would be for nought while also leaving a big gap in the middle Walbeck easily could exploit for a tap in.

      Also you say it 'compounds' by not covering the net. Would it be easier to aim for the goal with two/three players interfering or easier to lay it off to a free Walbeck for an easy tap in? It should be clear now.

      You’re just digging and that’s just noise with no apparent base of understanding. Fair enough 🙄

      I’ve already stated clearly my views. On Saturday he could and should have done better with the goal - that’s my sincere and pretty informed view. It doesn’t make it the only view.

      For the record I  wouldn’t swap VVD for anyone else in world football and I banged the drum to spend big and get him for a long time......so be clear I’m talking about marginal improvements in an exceptional player.

      Good luck to you.....
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      Reply #477: Nov 05, 2018 08:41:34 am
      I do agree that he could have intercepted the throughball or executed the offside trap, but the run of Lacazette did not put any blame on van dijk for the reasons I already mentioned. You're welcome to have a different view, but I felt the need to give my take on it since I feel this isn't the first time vvd gets blame for nothing. (The second PSG goal for instance or the Cardiff goal)

      It's not about vvd, he has flaws in his game, just like Gomez and especially TAA. But what annoys me is how people can miss details and overrate player performances. For instance how Gomez made multiple mistakes that were being ignored which is fine, but then I see how people give him a 9. If Lovren made these mistakes he would have been called out for it. Im probably in the minority that prefer Lovren in the centre with van dijk and Gomez at RB. Can't tell how Clybe is rated by Klopp but TAA must grow/regain his form or be loaned out imo. He's a liablity the opposition will try to exploit.
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      Re: Virgil van Dijk Player Thread
      Reply #478: Nov 05, 2018 09:55:58 am
      I do agree that he could have intercepted the throughball or executed the offside trap, but the run of Lacazette did not put any blame on van dijk for the reasons I already mentioned. You're welcome to have a different view, but I felt the need to give my take on it since I feel this isn't the first time vvd gets blame for nothing. (The second PSG goal for instance or the Cardiff goal)

      It's not about vvd, he has flaws in his game, just like Gomez and especially TAA. But what annoys me is how people can miss details and overrate player performances. For instance how Gomez made multiple mistakes that were being ignored which is fine, but then I see how people give him a 9. If Lovren made these mistakes he would have been called out for it. Im probably in the minority that prefer Lovren in the centre with van dijk and Gomez at RB. Can't tell how Clybe is rated by Klopp but TAA must grow/regain his form or be loaned out imo. He's a liablity the opposition will try to exploit.

      Interesting views - some of which I agree with and some I don’t (which is cool 😎).

      Not sure TAA needs a loan but he has definitely struggled enormously this season for me and is causing some stress as Gomez is drawn into that channel to cover.

      Like I say - good luck to you on here.

      PS: I’m curious - where are you from?
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      Re: Virgil van Dijk Player Thread
      Reply #479: Nov 07, 2018 10:19:23 pm
      Needs to come under scrutiny after that performance. I am seeing people all over Alisson for his performance but Virgil was awful and culpable for the first goal. His poor headed clearance back to the center of the field lead to a shot brilliantly saved for the corner we conceded.

      His positioning, awareness, and marking for the corner was woeful and way too easy for their striker to burst his way through. He was bullied by the lump all night for context the guy he was bullied by was playing in the Serbian second division 2 years ago and cost 300k. Certainly made light work of the worlds most expensive defender.

      It's nothing personal against Virgil before anyone starts shouting out "Lovren fan boy" but I'm always calling a spade a spade and if we're going to be critical of individuals and their performances let's then be consistent in that. Nobody could walk away with their heads held up high after last night and that includes Virgil.
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      Re: Virgil van Dijk Player Thread
      Reply #480: Nov 07, 2018 10:21:44 pm
      Needs to come under scrutiny after that performance. I am seeing people all over Alisson for his performance but Virgil was awful and culpable for the first goal. His poor headed clearance back to the center of the field lead to a shot brilliantly saved for the corner we conceded.

      His positioning, awareness, and marking for the corner was woeful and way too easy for their striker to burst his way through. He was bullied by the lump all night for context the guy he was bullied by was playing in the Serbian second division 2 years ago and cost 300k. Certainly made light work of the worlds most expensive defender.

      It's nothing personal against Virgil before anyone starts shouting out "Lovren fan boy" but I'm always calling a spade a spade and if we're going to be critical of individuals and their performances let's then be consistent in that. Nobody could walk away with their heads held up high after last night and that includes Virgil.

      A couple of mistakes no doubt but bullied all night that’s just OTT.

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      Re: Virgil van Dijk Player Thread
      Reply #481: Nov 07, 2018 11:40:23 pm
      A couple of mistakes no doubt but bullied all night that’s just OTT.



      The lad had him on the aerial duels all night. I will also add that along with our midfield 3 he didn't win a tackle all night...fact.

      OTT is saying that Virgil is sh*te and not worth the money, I'm pointing out he was at fault and had a poor game and shouldn't be immune from criticism in this instance. No different from the other 10 players that took the field.
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      Re: Virgil van Dijk Player Thread
      Reply #482: Nov 08, 2018 06:58:57 am
      Hendo is not a leader, that's why. A captain has to be a natural leader. Someone to inspire his teammates, the fans, intimidate the opposition, dig us out of a spot when required, calm everyone down when they're panicking. When did Hendo last do that? Has he ever? He went awol in Kiev, while his counterpart literally got stuck in.

      VVD is a natural leader and already the players choice to be captain. And he's not even here a year yet, let alone 7. He doesn't go missing, he doesn't have bad games, he's often motm. Having him captain is a no-brainer.

      This.
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      Re: Virgil van Dijk Player Thread
      Reply #483: Nov 08, 2018 09:49:41 am

      he must  have hated Stevie then because he was not a natural leader or Capt he inspired by his efforts not by organising or motivating his team mates. Despite this he still managed to be a pretty good Capt.
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      Re: Virgil van Dijk Player Thread
      Reply #484: Nov 08, 2018 01:00:42 pm
      Hendo is not a leader, that's why. A captain has to be a natural leader. Someone to inspire his teammates, the fans, intimidate the opposition, dig us out of a spot when required, calm everyone down when they're panicking. When did Hendo last do that? Has he ever? He went awol in Kiev, while his counterpart literally got stuck in.

      VVD is a natural leader and already the players choice to be captain. And he's not even here a year yet, let alone 7. He doesn't go missing, he doesn't have bad games, he's often motm. Having him captain is a no-brainer.

      OK, all the lads who have played with him who have spoken about his outstanding leadership qualities are wrong, and you're right.
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      Re: Virgil van Dijk Player Thread
      Reply #485: Nov 08, 2018 01:34:43 pm
      OK, all the lads who have played with him who have spoken about his outstanding leadership qualities are wrong, and you're right.

       :lmao:
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      Re: Virgil van Dijk Player Thread
      Reply #486: Nov 09, 2018 11:59:33 pm
      Quote from waltonl4
      he must  have hated Stevie then because he was not a natural leader or Capt he inspired by his efforts not by organising or motivating his team mates. Despite this he still managed to be a pretty good Capt.

      He was not just an inspirational leader, he has a cupboard full of winners medals from this cup and that cup. He chipped in with 186 goals, often at the exact time we needed it, and is one of the club's greatest ever players.

      Hendo is not in the top 200. If it was him instead of Steve that night against Olympiakos, he would have chipped it aimlessly into the box straight to the keeper as he has in the past and still does, rather than rifle it home from 25 yards as Steve did. Leading by example and seizing the initiative at the vital moment is what the great captains do.
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      Re: Virgil van Dijk Player Thread
      Reply #487: Nov 10, 2018 07:17:07 am
      The lad is comfortably our player of the season so far and a contender for player of the year in my book. I think he’ll prove to be one of the best signings the club has ever made.
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      Reply #488: Nov 11, 2018 04:40:54 pm
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      Re: Virgil van Dijk Player Thread
      Reply #489: Nov 14, 2018 06:09:09 pm
      Captain against Fulham.

      When their effort is disallowed, he tells Alisson to get the move going and catch the opposition on the hop. 10 seconds later, the ball is in the net. Awareness. Initiative. Leadership.

      By the time Hendo comes on, the game is in the bag and he has nothing to do.
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      Reply #490: Nov 14, 2018 06:23:26 pm
      OK, all the lads who have played with him who have spoken about his outstanding leadership qualities are wrong, and you're right.

      It's beyond me why some people so desperately need Virgil to have the armband?

      He acts like a captain armband or not and constantly calling for him to get the armband is stuff you'd expect to hear from a child not grown ups.
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      Reply #491: Nov 14, 2018 06:29:06 pm
      It's beyond me why some people so desperately need Virgil to have the armband?

      He acts like a captain armband or not and constantly calling for him to get the armband is stuff you'd expect to hear from a child not grown ups.

      Very little to do with VVD in most cases, sadly Si.

      The “acceptable” face of Hendo baiting.

      Sad.
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      Reply #492: Nov 14, 2018 06:38:37 pm
      Very little to do with VVD in most cases, sadly Si.

      The acceptable face of Hendo baiting.

      Sad.

      It makes little sense to me, especially the "I never want to see Henderson in a red shirt again" or other such nonsense, like the almost giddy glee because people thought Fabinho had been bought to replace Henderson.

      It's not like Klopp is reading and says to himself "oh my lord, 'poster x' is upset, I must immediately drop Henderson".

      As far as VVD and the armband goes, this is spot on;
      It's beyond me why some people so desperately need Virgil to have the armband?

      He acts like a captain armband or not and constantly calling for him to get the armband is stuff you'd expect to hear from a child not grown ups.

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      Re: Virgil van Dijk Player Thread
      Reply #493: Nov 14, 2018 06:41:08 pm
      Endless arguments over a piece of stretchy elastic.  Suppose it's better than going round in circles about rafa/fsg, only marginally though
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      Re: Virgil van Dijk Player Thread
      Reply #494: Nov 14, 2018 07:27:38 pm
      Captain against Fulham.

      When their effort is disallowed, he tells Alisson to get the move going and catch the opposition on the hop. 10 seconds later, the ball is in the net. Awareness. Initiative. Leadership.

      By the time Hendo comes on, the game is in the bag and he has nothing to do.

      The incomprehensible vitriol is shared between Rafa and Henderson it seems.
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      Re: Virgil van Dijk Player Thread
      Reply #495: Nov 16, 2018 10:08:54 am
      Captain against Fulham.

      When their effort is disallowed, he tells Alisson to get the move going and catch the opposition on the hop. 10 seconds later, the ball is in the net. Awareness. Initiative. Leadership.

      By the time Hendo comes on, the game is in the bag and he has nothing to do.

      As much as I think VVD should be club captain, I think it speaks volume about the level of respect he has for our actual club captain because as soon as Hendo was on the pitch, Virgil was going over to him to give him back the armband. Whether it’s our choice or not, Hendo is club captain and he clearly has the respect of the team. Virgil doesn’t need the armband ultimately, it makes no difference to his game, he will be just as vocal, just as commanding and display the exact same leadership. Unless you think that without the armband he wouldn’t have told Alisson to quickly get the play going again?...
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      Re: Virgil van Dijk Player Thread
      Reply #496: Nov 17, 2018 11:25:12 pm
      It's more than a piece of elastic. The captain has to be a natural leader, as I said before.

      If VVD was captain, I don't think he would have gone missing in Kiev. Handing Hendo the armband last week, was less about respect, and more about team policy. If Hendo is out there, he has it automatically.

      This is not to say Hendo shouldn't be out there, he does a solid, functional job adequately enough, but you need more qualities than that to be captain imo.
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      Re: Virgil van Dijk Player Thread
      Reply #497: Nov 19, 2018 10:33:41 pm
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      Re: Virgil van Dijk Player Thread
      Reply #499: Nov 20, 2018 07:48:56 am
      Yes but imagine doing a coin toss with VVD standing opposite you as opposed to Jordan, that little bit of extra intimidation can spread through a team.

      I am one who believes VVD should be captain as he wants to be a winner.Also he scored a cracker of a goal in the international.

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