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      Virgil van Dijk Player Thread

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      Re: Virgil van Dijk Player Thread
      Reply #825: Apr 02, 2019 04:39:15 pm
      van Dijk deserves the credit he's getting for his superb decision making throughout pretty much every game, nearly all the time, and I'm happy to see him get recognition for that 2vs1 situation against Spurs, but I have a bit of a problem with how the whole analysis is ridiculously based on the outcome. As I see it, VvD did what he had to do, but in the end Sissoko still had plenty of space for a finish and even in his worst foot, could and definitely should have scored from that position; and if he did, would we be hearing anything at all about that passage of play, or how this somehow proves VvD is the best defender in the world? Nah, I very much doubt it, even though it was a perfectly plausible and acceptable outcome - a lot of the time you can only do your best and hope for the best, and this time it worked. Had Sissoko scored, and we lost that game, it wouldn't shock me to see some even turning on the player; change the outcome, and people shift their focus of analysis, the talk could suddenly become that he was out of position, that the line should've been higher, or whatever suited the narrative best. But well, Sissoko didn't score, so  the narratives can be created around it; not really a problem, but there's surely a bunch of piss poor "analysis" around the press as usual.

      To be fair, Virgil wasn't actually that far off getting a block in by the time the shot was taken.
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      Reply #826: Apr 02, 2019 05:39:27 pm
      but in the end Sissoko still had plenty of space for a finish and even in his worst foot, could and definitely should have scored from that position;

      And somehow...he didn't score from that position. Maybe because VVD played it perfectly.
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      Re: Virgil van Dijk Player Thread
      Reply #827: Apr 02, 2019 05:40:43 pm
      they have more than one ball these days.

      Wouldn't make a scrap of difference.

      For me it is what he trying  to do that matter. 
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      Reply #828: Apr 02, 2019 06:16:40 pm
      van Dijk deserves the credit he's getting for his superb decision making throughout pretty much every game, nearly all the time, and I'm happy to see him get recognition for that 2vs1 situation against Spurs, but I have a bit of a problem with how the whole analysis is ridiculously based on the outcome. As I see it, VvD did what he had to do, but in the end Sissoko still had plenty of space for a finish and even in his worst foot, could and definitely should have scored from that position; and if he did, would we be hearing anything at all about that passage of play, or how this somehow proves VvD is the best defender in the world? Nah, I very much doubt it, even though it was a perfectly plausible and acceptable outcome - a lot of the time you can only do your best and hope for the best, and this time it worked. Had Sissoko scored, and we lost that game, it wouldn't shock me to see some even turning on the player; change the outcome, and people shift their focus of analysis, the talk could suddenly become that he was out of position, that the line should've been higher, or whatever suited the narrative best. But well, Sissoko didn't score, so  the narratives can be created around it; not really a problem, but there's surely a bunch of piss poor "analysis" around the press as usual.

      I was screaming at the Tele at the time make him shoot!! It's Moussa Sissoko and the lad does it every single game. He has no end product in either his shot or pass.

      To my shock a Liverpool player kept their heads in a tie like this (same game last year we didn't) but I was made up.

      As for Sissoko he's all power and no ability the poor lad.
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      Re: Virgil van Dijk Player Thread
      Reply #829: Apr 02, 2019 08:12:03 pm
      And somehow...he didn't score from that position. Maybe because VVD played it perfectly.

      Yes, he did the best he could perfectly. On another day that ball could very well have ended up in the net nonetheless.

      As for Sissoko he's all power and no ability the poor lad.

      Not a fan of him either, but even for him it was a bad miss. Worse players could've scored that

      To be fair, Virgil wasn't actually that far off getting a block in by the time the shot was taken.

      Hmm, he was close but not that close, Sissoko still had some time to shoot, but he could've gotten there if Sissoko hesitated a bit longer. Alderweireld or whatever his name is (I never seem able to spell his name correctly) also defended brilliantly against Salah in a 2vs1 situation, though that one wasn't as open as Sissoko's chance
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      Reply #830: Apr 03, 2019 01:13:25 am
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      Re: Virgil van Dijk Player Thread
      Reply #831: Apr 03, 2019 01:45:47 am
      Player of the season hands down!
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      Re: Virgil van Dijk Player Thread
      Reply #832: Apr 03, 2019 01:47:08 pm
      I ran into him on a plane the other day, he had three seats booked, one for him, two for each of his massive balls.
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      Re: Virgil van Dijk Player Thread
      Reply #833: Apr 03, 2019 01:47:38 pm
      Yes, he did the best he could perfectly. On another day that ball could very well have ended up in the net nonetheless.

      Not a fan of him either, but even for him it was a bad miss. Worse players could've scored that

      Hmm, he was close but not that close, Sissoko still had some time to shoot, but he could've gotten there if Sissoko hesitated a bit longer. Alderweireld or whatever his name is (I never seem able to spell his name correctly) also defended brilliantly against Salah in a 2vs1 situation, though that one wasn't as open as Sissoko's chance

      It's true if Sissoko smashes it in some on here would probably blame Van Dijk. However he played the percentages and it came off in his favour.

      Sissoko is the type who may have even got the pass wrong if Virgil went to cover the shot. I personally think he's a very poor footballer but I digress.

      VVD kept calm under pressure and that is a welcome change from having rash hot heads like Skrtel in the not so distant past.
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      Re: Virgil van Dijk Player Thread
      Reply #834: Apr 03, 2019 01:53:57 pm
      It's true if Sissoko smashes it in some on here would probably blame Van Dijk. However he played the percentages and it came off in his favour.

      Sissoko is the type who may have even got the pass wrong if Virgil went to cover the shot. I personally think he's a very poor footballer but I digress.

      VVD kept calm under pressure and that is a welcome change from having rash hot heads like Skrtel in the not so distant past.

      With Sissoko, his body is too quick for his brain.
      He has the talent, but not the speed of thought to use it properly.
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      Re: Virgil van Dijk Player Thread
      Reply #835: Apr 03, 2019 02:12:50 pm
      I ran into him on a plane the other day, he had three seats booked, one for him, two for each of his massive balls.

      I actually DID bump into him at Edinburgh Airport in 2014.

      He’s massive but - like most footballers - looked so slight/lean.

      Real athletes nowadays these boys.
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      Re: Virgil van Dijk Player Thread
      Reply #836: Apr 03, 2019 02:40:10 pm
      I actually DID bump into him at Edinburgh Airport in 2014.

      He’s massive but - like most footballers - looked so slight/lean.

      Real athletes nowadays these boys.


      How can someone be massive and slight/lean?? Do you bean he was skinny and tall like Crouch?
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      Reply #837: Apr 03, 2019 02:52:29 pm
      How can someone be massive and slight/lean?? Do you bean he was skinny and tall like Crouch?

      Somewhat Heimy yes. 6ft 4 but seemed taller because so lean.

      Wider shouldered than Crouchie but still not as broad as you expect from the tv.

      I’m always surprised when I see today’s players in the flesh - no depth to physique through chest / shoulders.

      Not a criticism just my observations - the difference between gym fit and professional athlete fit.......
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      Re: Virgil van Dijk Player Thread
      Reply #838: Apr 03, 2019 02:53:06 pm
      Best player in the Premier League. I don't even know that it's debatable at this point.

      Agree mate. Absolute monster - leadership, game intelligence, pace, passing, defending and consistency. All round player of the season for me by an absolute mile.
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      Re: Virgil van Dijk Player Thread
      Reply #839: Apr 03, 2019 02:56:59 pm
      I actually DID bump into him at Edinburgh Airport in 2014.He’s massive but - like most footballers - looked so slight/lean.Real athletes nowadays these boys.

      Considering how big he looks on screen, the rest of the lads must be featherlight.

      It does explain why he's so quick though, was always wondering how someone so big could be so agile and quick.
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      Re: Virgil van Dijk Player Thread
      Reply #840: Apr 03, 2019 10:12:24 pm
      With Sissoko, his body is too quick for his brain.
      He has the talent, but not the speed of thought to use it properly.

      Not sure it's talent as opposed to fast muscle twitch fibres and good conditioning, but yes. Not much going on upstairs.
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      Reply #841: Apr 03, 2019 11:23:53 pm
      Not sure it's talent as opposed to fast muscle twitch fibres and good conditioning, but yes. Not much going on upstairs.

      Then surely he would have been an Olympic sprinter?
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      Reply #842: Apr 03, 2019 11:55:23 pm
      Agree mate. Absolute monster - leadership, game intelligence, pace, passing, defending and consistency. All round player of the season for me by an absolute mile.



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      Reply #843: Apr 04, 2019 08:36:01 pm
      He's going to go down as one of our best ever.

      I'm certain of that.

      https://twitter.com/StatsBomb/status/1113880286729777153?s=19
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      Reply #844: Apr 04, 2019 09:35:16 pm

      He’s a beaut for sure!
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      Reply #845: Apr 04, 2019 09:42:38 pm

      He’s so f**king good - like crazy good, the best defender I’ve ever seen in my entire life and he plays for Liverpool.
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      Reply #846: Apr 05, 2019 07:48:59 am
      Stats back up what we all knew he is a beast.
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      Re: Virgil van Dijk Player Thread
      Reply #847: Apr 05, 2019 01:51:38 pm
      Not sure it's talent as opposed to fast muscle twitch fibres and good conditioning, but yes. Not much going on upstairs.

      Once you get to a certain level, there's not huge differences in ability between players, rather, it's all in the mind, how quickly they process information and react to it.

      Babel was a great example of this.
      Loads of talent, no brain, so he struggled to convert that talent on the pitch.

      VVD on the other hand, well you can tell he's an intelligent fella when you hear him speak, and that shows on the pitch as well.
      So, you have his physical attributes, which alone are formidable, then add in a quick and agile mind, and it puts him way ahead of the majority.
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      Re: Virgil van Dijk Player Thread
      Reply #848: Apr 05, 2019 03:46:50 pm
      got a feeling he is going to be in the mood for a clean sheet tonight against his old team mates. He makes the game look far too easy and without having a pop at Matip I think many a forum member could play alongside him and look half decent.
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      Re: Virgil van Dijk Player Thread
      Reply #849: Apr 05, 2019 04:04:05 pm
      got a feeling he is going to be in the mood for a clean sheet tonight against his old team mates. He makes the game look far too easy and without having a pop at Matip I think many a forum member could play alongside him and look half decent.

      But Matip is decent, as he's been proving ???

      That's like saying I'm not racist but...
      You are having a pop regardless of how it's worded.


      Virgil takes the pressure off the player alongside him but he can't make a player look better than he is, the player has to do that himself. Pressure or no pressure, the player is either decent or he isn't, nobody else is in control of that.

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