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      John Barnes Homophobic statement.
      Jan 21, 2018 11:30:59 am
      http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/celebrity-big-brother-john-barnes-gay-men-courtney-act_uk_5a64611fe4b0022830038283

      Celebrity Big Brother’ viewers were left unimpressed by John Barnes during Saturday (20 January) night’s show, following a series of comments he made about gay men.

      The former footballer was speaking to Shane J - who entered the house in full drag, as his alter ego Courtney Act - when he admitted to sometimes feeling uncomfortable around gay men.

      John told Shane: “They [men] assume he’s definitely going to want to have sex with me. And that’s why men aren’t comfortable with gay men.

      “They think ‘I wonder if he’s thinking about me without my clothes on’. It is an uncomfortable feeling that he is going to pounce on me.

      “Because of the stigmatization concerning the act itself, they’re thinking you’re gonna make a move on me, you’re going to touch me.

      Attempting to explain why he holds these views, John added: “I’m that way because everything I’ve said here is about the way I’ve been brought up.”

      The pair also discussed sexual experimentation, following Andrew and Courtney’s private time in the bathroom earlier this week.


      But when Shane said, “Sometimes somebody can have a little taste of something that...”, John interrupted with: “Kick them out of the club. Kick them out of the club.”

      “I’ll tell you why, because if anything happened in that room he’s out of the club,” he added. “If anything happens in the room, Andrew’s out of the club. He’s not in my club if anything happens.”

      Needless to say, ‘CBB’ viewers were not impressed…

      Sometimes honest is not the best policy! 😕
      « Last Edit: Jan 21, 2018 09:11:37 pm by JD »
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      Re: John Barnes Homophobic statement.
      Reply #1: Jan 21, 2018 11:43:37 am

      Homophobia in professional football is rife in football ... JB is saying what a lot of people in the professional game still believe. Hopefully some good can come from this as people begin to realise that it is completely unacceptable in the 21st Century
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      Re: John Barnes Homophobic statement.
      Reply #2: Jan 21, 2018 11:57:09 am
      At the risk of failing the PC test I think it’s getting a bit silly.

      His views might be more than a bit outdated but he’s trying to be honest.

      Now you might well think - ‘he’s a dinosaur’ or whatever but let’s not all pretend to be perfect.

      He is giving his opinions - he’s not killed anybody and it’s reality f***in’ tv for f**k’s sake.

      By definition it’s moronic and an attempt to shock or create headlines.

      Nothing a good 50% of the male population above 50 in this country wouldn’t agree with........doesn’t make it right but need to stop demonising ignorance.
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      Reply #3: Jan 21, 2018 11:59:00 am
      I can understand men not feeling comfortable being naked around a Gay man. If I was in a room full of naked women my eyes would be popping out 😁, and I suppose some men feel that a gay man would also "have a look" in a sexual way.
      It's a tricky topic, but to be honest I have no problem sharing a changing room with a Gay guy. They don't just hit on every man they come across.
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      Reply #4: Jan 21, 2018 12:00:31 pm
      At the risk of failing the PC test I think it’s getting a bit silly.

      His views might be more than a bit outdated but he’s trying to be honest.

      Now you might well think - ‘he’s a dinosaur’ or whatever but let’s not all pretend to be perfect.

      He is giving his opinions - he’s not killed anybody and it’s reality f***in’ tv for f**k’s sake.

      By definition it’s moronic and an attempt to shock or create headlines.

      Nothing a good 50% of the male population above 50 in this country wouldn’t agree with........doesn’t make it right but need to stop demonising ignorance.

      He said they should be kicked out of the club mate! That's crossing a line IMO.
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      Reply #5: Jan 21, 2018 12:10:15 pm
      He said they should be kicked out of the club mate! That's crossing a line IMO.

      I don’t watch it but I’m more outraged it’s on telly than anything said in it.

      Remember that it’s nonsense, tabloid telly and by default anything therein is “fruit of the poisoned tree”.....
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      Reply #6: Jan 21, 2018 12:12:50 pm
      Woman says 'I feel like men are just looking at me and imagining me without my clothes on' - You tell em sister
      Man says 'I feel like gay men are just looking at me and imagining me without my clothes on' - Piece of sh*t homophobe.

      Men are pigs, but only if they're straight.
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      Reply #7: Jan 21, 2018 12:23:31 pm
      I don’t watch it but I’m more outraged it’s on telly than anything said in it.

      Remember that it’s nonsense, tabloid telly and by default anything therein is “fruit of the poisoned tree”.....

      That sounds a little too like the it's her fault, look at the way she dressed defence to me.
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      Reply #8: Jan 21, 2018 12:30:43 pm
      That sounds a little too like the it's her fault, look at the way she dressed defence to me.

      Hardly Rodders.

      Apart from anything else we‘re talking about ignorance given a platform and not rape.

      Poor comparison mate.

      Anyone outraged by something said on a tv setup entirely geared to creating outrage does only have themselves to blame.
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      Reply #9: Jan 21, 2018 12:47:11 pm
      Hardly Rodders.

      Apart from anything else we‘re talking about ignorance given a platform and not rape.

      Poor comparison mate.

      Anyone outraged by something said on a tv setup entirely geared to creating outrage does only have themselves to blame.

      And that argument is about the ignorance, not the rape. Barnes suffered some horrific intolerance himself, largely due to ignorance and irrational fear, it's a shame he's perpetuating another form of it, even if it's on a forum I, like you, don't watch.
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      Reply #10: Jan 21, 2018 12:51:56 pm
      And that argument is about the ignorance, not the rape. Barnes suffered some horrific intolerance himself, largely due to ignorance and irrational fear, it's a shame he's perpetuating another form of it, even if it's on a forum I, like you, don't watch.

      Good point re the irony.
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      Reply #11: Jan 21, 2018 01:20:28 pm
      Can I just check, are people allowed to have their own opinions any more or do we now all have to conform to the media liberal narrative of embracing all forms of sexuality? If we do have to subscribe to this narrative why are certain ethnic groups given a pass, e.g the muslim community who as far as I understand it take a fairly dim view of homosexuality, why is their no clamour or marches against their archaic and hurtful views?

      BTW for the record I do not share John Barnes views on this but I do think that as long as they don't hurt anyone then he is entitled to them, they are after all indicative of how a lot of people think if they are being honest.
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      Reply #12: Jan 21, 2018 01:32:02 pm
      Can I just check, are people allowed to have their own opinions any more or do we now all have to conform to the media liberal narrative of embracing all forms of sexuality? If we do have to subscribe to this narrative why are certain ethnic groups given a pass, e.g the muslim community who as far as I understand it take a fairly dim view of homosexuality, why is their no clamour or marches against their archaic and hurtful views?

      BTW for the record I do not share John Barnes views on this but I do think that as long as they don't hurt anyone then he is entitled to them, they are after all indicative of how a lot of people think if they are being honest.

      They are entitled to them, as people are entitled to call them bigots for holding them. Opinions and beliefs aren't some sacred cow that can't be challenged.
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      Reply #13: Jan 21, 2018 01:45:57 pm
      Can I just check, are people allowed to have their own opinions any more or do we now all have to conform to the media liberal narrative of embracing all forms of sexuality? If we do have to subscribe to this narrative why are certain ethnic groups given a pass, e.g the muslim community who as far as I understand it take a fairly dim view of homosexuality, why is their no clamour or marches against their archaic and hurtful views?

      BTW for the record I do not share John Barnes views on this but I do think that as long as they don't hurt anyone then he is entitled to them, they are after all indicative of how a lot of people think if they are being honest.
      Everyone is entitled to their views of course, but I would question the wisdom of expressing then on TV.
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      Reply #14: Jan 21, 2018 02:13:36 pm
      If he doesn’t agree with it then fine. But surely he’s old and wise enough to know that any comment like that will have this type of reaction. He obviously wants a life in the media otherwise he wouldn’t be on a sh*t show like that... he’s an idiot if you ask me.
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      Reply #15: Jan 21, 2018 02:47:55 pm
      At the risk of failing the PC test I think it’s getting a bit silly.

      His views might be more than a bit outdated but he’s trying to be honest.

      Now you might well think - ‘he’s a dinosaur’ or whatever but let’s not all pretend to be perfect.

      He is giving his opinions - he’s not killed anybody and it’s reality f***in’ tv for f**k’s sake.

      By definition it’s moronic and an attempt to shock or create headlines.

      Nothing a good 50% of the male population above 50 in this country wouldn’t agree with........doesn’t make it right but need to stop demonising ignorance.

      Is correct mate.
      Let's not forget a high percentage of individuals employed by the media/entertainment industry are overtly gay or help them out when they get busy and would crucify anyone who is not 200% PC on gayness and all matters of that nature.
      John Barnes is an ex-professional footballer for Christ's sake, he can be excused for occasionally over-expanding on a subject he has no personal experience of.
      « Last Edit: Jan 21, 2018 07:55:52 pm by stuey »
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      Reply #16: Jan 21, 2018 03:11:26 pm
      I have one or two friends that are gay myself, and a few have echoed the thought of John themselves that it is how most men view them... I see nothing wrong with the sentiment  JB was trying to get across...

      We have a Old West Indian saying "Not everything is good to talk" ...I think that this applies In spades here
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      Reply #17: Jan 21, 2018 03:30:15 pm
      I have one or two friends that are gay myself, and a few have echoed the thought of John themselves that it is how most men view them... I see nothing wrong with the sentiment  JB was trying to get across...

      We have a Old West Indian saying "Not everything is good to talk" ...I think that this applies In spades here

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      Reply #18: Jan 21, 2018 03:39:07 pm
      They are entitled to them, as people are entitled to call them bigots for holding them. Opinions and beliefs aren't some sacred cow that can't be challenged.

      You see I'm not sure about that these days, it feels like we are all being forced to think and act in one way and I don't like it. I'm not saying that's its good that some people are racist, or xenophobic or homophobic etc because obviously its not, but I think on balance I'd rather have that, as long as its just people thinking that way rather than actually hurting or discriminating someone, than this pseudo totalitarian "you must all conform" crap that it becoming ever more pervasive. Society is changing for the better all the time, with people becoming less ignorant and more tolerant but the pressure to instantly change, especially for the older generation, is alienating people and you are starting to see significant pushback, as witnessed by the rise of far right politics.
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      Reply #19: Jan 21, 2018 04:30:31 pm
      Wait!!.... kiss me neck back!...Shabba a yu that  xxxxx:action-smiley-065:
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      Reply #20: Jan 21, 2018 05:34:59 pm
      The whole "I can't help it, I was brought up that way" stuff from a victim of racist abuse is... well... quite sad, and disappointing.

      Very easy for people who haven't had to endure any sort of prejudice in their lives to play it down as "PC gone mad", but I rather think of what a gay footballer might go through when hearing that sort of sh*t. Because make no mistake, gay footballers exist, they are just too uncomfortable to come out, and when you see crap like this, it is for very good reason.
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      Reply #21: Jan 21, 2018 06:01:38 pm
      Is this really applicable in The Kop section ?
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      Reply #22: Jan 21, 2018 06:42:01 pm
      Is this really applicable in The Kop section ?

      Yep, he's a former red great who's made a bit of a tit of himself!!

      Loved John Barnes as a lad, but he's definitely let himself down with those comments. As others have said can't be arsed watching that CBB sh*te, but it does seem to be getting discussed by a lot of reds on social media.

      The fact he suffered a lot of racism and was quite outspoken about it makes his comments seem even more stupid.
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      Reply #23: Jan 21, 2018 07:28:09 pm
      Saying that your not comfortable in the company of gay men is not in itself offensive. Some of the other remarks were made in response to what the other lad said. I wouldn't think it's that big a deal. Not in any way saying homophobia is acceptable, but it's like anything these days - say one word out of place and you get slaughtered.

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      Reply #24: Jan 21, 2018 08:33:57 pm
      Wait!!.... kiss me neck back!...Shabba a yu that  xxxxx:action-smiley-065:

      Yesai my uth'

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      Reply #25: Jan 21, 2018 08:39:29 pm
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      Can I just check, are people allowed to have their own opinions any more or do we now all have to conform to the media liberal narrative of embracing all forms of sexuality? If we do have to subscribe to this narrative why are certain ethnic groups given a pass, e.g the muslim community who as far as I understand it take a fairly dim view of homosexuality, why is their no clamour or marches against their archaic and hurtful views?

      BTW for the record I do not share John Barnes views on this but I do think that as long as they don't hurt anyone then he is entitled to them, they are after all indicative of how a lot of people think if they are being honest.

      That may be the case, but if you have different opinions to the narrative on social issues, you learn to keep them to yourself. And if you're a white straight man, you keep them under lock and key. White men are supposed to enjoy "white male privilege" and expressing a controversial view is seen as reinforcing that "privilege", by society. So you keep your opinions to yourself, learn to tolerate things you don't like, and respect people you have nothing in common with and have no time for.

      Obviously John is not white, and has been discriminated against in the past, so he has a bit more leeway to express himself. But he is a man, so if he says something out of line, people will still talk about it.

      If you see the British comedy "Fawlty Towers" or the Irish comedy "Father Ted", even Monty Python, there is openly racist language expressed at times, controversial scenes included, and a fair amount of violence involved. Now they were very popular comedy shows with high viewing figures at the time, but you couldn't make shows like that today, because some community somewhere would find such jokes and/or scenes offensive. That's the way of the world these days.
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      Reply #26: Jan 21, 2018 08:58:07 pm
      F***ing pc brigade out again, so f**king what Diggers entitled to his views. I was abused by a christian brother when i was 11 yrs old, f**king queer he was and no one will change my mind about males having sexual thoughts about other males. That's the way it is get over it.
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      Reply #27: Jan 21, 2018 09:15:12 pm
      Annoying when we don't play until a Monday night isn't it.
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      Reply #28: Jan 21, 2018 09:16:22 pm
      Annoying when we don't play until a Monday night isn't it.

      Usual boring weekends without any proper footy!!
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      Reply #29: Jan 21, 2018 10:36:04 pm
      Homophobia in professional football is rife in football ... JB is saying what a lot of people in the professional game still believe. Hopefully some good can come from this as people begin to realise that it is completely unacceptable in the 21st Century

      It's completely acceptable. You can't force people to group think. You sound like a leftist cultural Marxist pleb.

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