John Barnes Homophobic statement.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/celebrity-big-brother-john-barnes-gay-men-courtney-act_uk_5a64611fe4b0022830038283

Celebrity Big Brother’ viewers were left unimpressed by John Barnes during Saturday (20 January) night’s show, following a series of comments he made about gay men.

The former footballer was speaking to Shane J - who entered the house in full drag, as his alter ego Courtney Act - when he admitted to sometimes feeling uncomfortable around gay men.

John told Shane: “They [men] assume he’s definitely going to want to have sex with me. And that’s why men aren’t comfortable with gay men.

“They think ‘I wonder if he’s thinking about me without my clothes on’. It is an uncomfortable feeling that he is going to pounce on me.

“Because of the stigmatization concerning the act itself, they’re thinking you’re gonna make a move on me, you’re going to touch me.

Attempting to explain why he holds these views, John added: “I’m that way because everything I’ve said here is about the way I’ve been brought up.”

The pair also discussed sexual experimentation, following Andrew and Courtney’s private time in the bathroom earlier this week.


But when Shane said, “Sometimes somebody can have a little taste of something that...”, John interrupted with: “Kick them out of the club. Kick them out of the club.”

“I’ll tell you why, because if anything happened in that room he’s out of the club,” he added. “If anything happens in the room, Andrew’s out of the club. He’s not in my club if anything happens.”

Needless to say, ‘CBB’ viewers were not impressed…

Sometimes honest is not the best policy! 😕

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/celebrity-big-brother-john-barnes-gay-men-courtney-act_uk_5a64611fe4b0022830038283

Sometimes honest is not the best policy! 😕

Homophobia in professional football is rife in football ... JB is saying what a lot of people in the professional game still believe. Hopefully some good can come from this as people begin to realise that it is completely unacceptable in the 21st Century

At the risk of failing the PC test I think it’s getting a bit silly.

His views might be more than a bit outdated but he’s trying to be honest.

Now you might well think - ‘he’s a dinosaur’ or whatever but let’s not all pretend to be perfect.

He is giving his opinions - he’s not killed anybody and it’s reality f***in’ tv for F**k’s sake.

By definition it’s moronic and an attempt to shock or create headlines.

Nothing a good 50% of the male population above 50 in this country wouldn’t agree with........doesn’t make it right but need to stop demonising ignorance.

I can understand men not feeling comfortable being naked around a Gay man. If I was in a room full of naked women my eyes would be popping out 😁, and I suppose some men feel that a gay man would also "have a look" in a sexual way.
It's a tricky topic, but to be honest I have no problem sharing a changing room with a Gay guy. They don't just hit on every man they come across.

At the risk of failing the PC test I think it’s getting a bit silly.

His views might be more than a bit outdated but he’s trying to be honest.

Now you might well think - ‘he’s a dinosaur’ or whatever but let’s not all pretend to be perfect.

He is giving his opinions - he’s not killed anybody and it’s reality f***in’ tv for F**k’s sake.

By definition it’s moronic and an attempt to shock or create headlines.

Nothing a good 50% of the male population above 50 in this country wouldn’t agree with........doesn’t make it right but need to stop demonising ignorance.

He said they should be kicked out of the club mate! That's crossing a line IMO.

He said they should be kicked out of the club mate! That's crossing a line IMO.

I don’t watch it but I’m more outraged it’s on telly than anything said in it.

Remember that it’s nonsense, tabloid telly and by default anything therein is “fruit of the poisoned tree”.....

Woman says 'I feel like men are just looking at me and imagining me without my clothes on' - You tell em sister
Man says 'I feel like gay men are just looking at me and imagining me without my clothes on' - Piece of sh*t homophobe.

Men are pigs, but only if they're straight.

I don’t watch it but I’m more outraged it’s on telly than anything said in it.

Remember that it’s nonsense, tabloid telly and by default anything therein is “fruit of the poisoned tree”.....

That sounds a little too like the it's her fault, look at the way she dressed defence to me.

That sounds a little too like the it's her fault, look at the way she dressed defence to me.

Hardly Rodders.

Apart from anything else we‘re talking about ignorance given a platform and not rape.

Poor comparison mate.

Anyone outraged by something said on a tv setup entirely geared to creating outrage does only have themselves to blame.

Hardly Rodders.

Apart from anything else we‘re talking about ignorance given a platform and not rape.

Poor comparison mate.

Anyone outraged by something said on a tv setup entirely geared to creating outrage does only have themselves to blame.

And that argument is about the ignorance, not the rape. Barnes suffered some horrific intolerance himself, largely due to ignorance and irrational fear, it's a shame he's perpetuating another form of it, even if it's on a forum I, like you, don't watch.

And that argument is about the ignorance, not the rape. Barnes suffered some horrific intolerance himself, largely due to ignorance and irrational fear, it's a shame he's perpetuating another form of it, even if it's on a forum I, like you, don't watch.

Good point re the irony.

Can I just check, are people allowed to have their own opinions any more or do we now all have to conform to the media liberal narrative of embracing all forms of sexuality? If we do have to subscribe to this narrative why are certain ethnic groups given a pass, e.g the muslim community who as far as I understand it take a fairly dim view of homosexuality, why is their no clamour or marches against their archaic and hurtful views?

BTW for the record I do not share John Barnes views on this but I do think that as long as they don't hurt anyone then he is entitled to them, they are after all indicative of how a lot of people think if they are being honest.

Can I just check, are people allowed to have their own opinions any more or do we now all have to conform to the media liberal narrative of embracing all forms of sexuality? If we do have to subscribe to this narrative why are certain ethnic groups given a pass, e.g the muslim community who as far as I understand it take a fairly dim view of homosexuality, why is their no clamour or marches against their archaic and hurtful views?

BTW for the record I do not share John Barnes views on this but I do think that as long as they don't hurt anyone then he is entitled to them, they are after all indicative of how a lot of people think if they are being honest.

They are entitled to them, as people are entitled to call them bigots for holding them. Opinions and beliefs aren't some sacred cow that can't be challenged.

Can I just check, are people allowed to have their own opinions any more or do we now all have to conform to the media liberal narrative of embracing all forms of sexuality? If we do have to subscribe to this narrative why are certain ethnic groups given a pass, e.g the muslim community who as far as I understand it take a fairly dim view of homosexuality, why is their no clamour or marches against their archaic and hurtful views?

BTW for the record I do not share John Barnes views on this but I do think that as long as they don't hurt anyone then he is entitled to them, they are after all indicative of how a lot of people think if they are being honest.

Everyone is entitled to their views of course, but I would question the wisdom of expressing then on TV.

If he doesn’t agree with it then fine. But surely he’s old and wise enough to know that any comment like that will have this type of reaction. He obviously wants a life in the media otherwise he wouldn’t be on a sh*t show like that... he’s an idiot if you ask me.

At the risk of failing the PC test I think it’s getting a bit silly.

His views might be more than a bit outdated but he’s trying to be honest.

Now you might well think - ‘he’s a dinosaur’ or whatever but let’s not all pretend to be perfect.

He is giving his opinions - he’s not killed anybody and it’s reality f***in’ tv for F**k’s sake.

By definition it’s moronic and an attempt to shock or create headlines.

Nothing a good 50% of the male population above 50 in this country wouldn’t agree with........doesn’t make it right but need to stop demonising ignorance.

Is correct mate.
Let's not forget a high percentage of individuals employed by the media/entertainment industry are overtly gay or help them out when they get busy and would crucify anyone who is not 200% PC on gayness and all matters of that nature.
John Barnes is an ex-professional footballer for Christ's sake, he can be excused for occasionally over-expanding on a subject he has no personal experience of.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/celebrity-big-brother-john-barnes-gay-men-courtney-act_uk_5a64611fe4b0022830038283

Sometimes honest is not the best policy! 😕

I have one or two friends that are gay myself, and a few have echoed the thought of John themselves that it is how most men view them... I see nothing wrong with the sentiment  JB was trying to get across...

We have a Old West Indian saying "Not everything is good to talk" ...I think that this applies In spades here

I have one or two friends that are gay myself, and a few have echoed the thought of John themselves that it is how most men view them... I see nothing wrong with the sentiment  JB was trying to get across...

We have a Old West Indian saying "Not everything is good to talk" ...I think that this applies In spades here

Me back foot..

They are entitled to them, as people are entitled to call them bigots for holding them. Opinions and beliefs aren't some sacred cow that can't be challenged.

You see I'm not sure about that these days, it feels like we are all being forced to think and act in one way and I don't like it. I'm not saying that's its good that some people are racist, or xenophobic or homophobic etc because obviously its not, but I think on balance I'd rather have that, as long as its just people thinking that way rather than actually hurting or discriminating someone, than this pseudo totalitarian "you must all conform" crap that it becoming ever more pervasive. Society is changing for the better all the time, with people becoming less ignorant and more tolerant but the pressure to instantly change, especially for the older generation, is alienating people and you are starting to see significant pushback, as witnessed by the rise of far right politics.

Me back foot..

Wait!!.... kiss me neck back!...Shabba a yu that 

The whole "I can't help it, I was brought up that way" stuff from a victim of racist abuse is... well... quite sad, and disappointing.

Very easy for people who haven't had to endure any sort of prejudice in their lives to play it down as "PC gone mad", but I rather think of what a gay footballer might go through when hearing that sort of sh*t. Because make no mistake, gay footballers exist, they are just too uncomfortable to come out, and when you see crap like this, it is for very good reason.

Is this really applicable in The Kop section ?

Is this really applicable in The Kop section ?

Yep, he's a former red great who's made a bit of a tit of himself!!

Loved John Barnes as a lad, but he's definitely let himself down with those comments. As others have said can't be arsed watching that CBB sh*te, but it does seem to be getting discussed by a lot of reds on social media.

The fact he suffered a lot of racism and was quite outspoken about it makes his comments seem even more stupid.

Saying that your not comfortable in the company of gay men is not in itself offensive. Some of the other remarks were made in response to what the other lad said. I wouldn't think it's that big a deal. Not in any way saying homophobia is acceptable, but it's like anything these days - say one word out of place and you get slaughtered.

Wait!!.... kiss me neck back!...Shabba a yu that 

Yesai my uth'

Can I just check, are people allowed to have their own opinions any more or do we now all have to conform to the media liberal narrative of embracing all forms of sexuality? If we do have to subscribe to this narrative why are certain ethnic groups given a pass, e.g the muslim community who as far as I understand it take a fairly dim view of homosexuality, why is their no clamour or marches against their archaic and hurtful views?

BTW for the record I do not share John Barnes views on this but I do think that as long as they don't hurt anyone then he is entitled to them, they are after all indicative of how a lot of people think if they are being honest.

That may be the case, but if you have different opinions to the narrative on social issues, you learn to keep them to yourself. And if you're a white straight man, you keep them under lock and key. White men are supposed to enjoy "white male privilege" and expressing a controversial view is seen as reinforcing that "privilege", by society. So you keep your opinions to yourself, learn to tolerate things you don't like, and respect people you have nothing in common with and have no time for.

Obviously John is not white, and has been discriminated against in the past, so he has a bit more leeway to express himself. But he is a man, so if he says something out of line, people will still talk about it.

If you see the British comedy "Fawlty Towers" or the Irish comedy "Father Ted", even Monty Python, there is openly racist language expressed at times, controversial scenes included, and a fair amount of violence involved. Now they were very popular comedy shows with high viewing figures at the time, but you couldn't make shows like that today, because some community somewhere would find such jokes and/or scenes offensive. That's the way of the world these days.

F***ing pc brigade out again, so F***ing what Diggers entitled to his views. I was abused by a christian brother when i was 11 yrs old, F***ing queer he was and no one will change my mind about males having sexual thoughts about other males. That's the way it is get over it.

Annoying when we don't play until a Monday night isn't it.

Annoying when we don't play until a Monday night isn't it.

Usual boring weekends without any proper footy!!

Homophobia in professional football is rife in football ... JB is saying what a lot of people in the professional game still believe. Hopefully some good can come from this as people begin to realise that it is completely unacceptable in the 21st Century

It's completely acceptable. You can't force people to group think. You sound like a leftist cultural Marxist pleb.

This thread going well bringing out all the nasty right wingers in our support.

Hahaha. Funny how angry people get when they can no longer be homophobic or racist in public without being called out. Apparently that's group think. Oh well, whatever.

Woman says 'I feel like men are just looking at me and imagining me without my clothes on' - You tell em sister
Man says 'I feel like gay men are just looking at me and imagining me without my clothes on' - Piece of sh*t homophobe.

Men are pigs, but only if they're straight.

At the same time, I bet Digger has looked at women in a sexual way and thought it was okay...

How would that make the woman feel? Uncomfortable? Uneasy? Vulnerable? Much like how he feels when a gay man does the same.

His comments were dumb and extremely hypocritical.

This thread going well bringing out all the nasty right wingers in our support.

there we go,  anything racist or phobic is instantly right wing, oh you have to love the hypocrisy of the left wing.

Ah, the intolerance of the tolerant.

Probably best to keep your controversial views to yourself as a rule (unless you have thick skin) but like someone else said.....what do you expect when you go on a tabloid TV show produced for the lowest common denominator. Digger probably will wish he expressed himself differently I’d wager.

Can I just check, are people allowed to have their own opinions any more or do we now all have to conform to the media liberal narrative of embracing all forms of sexuality? If we do have to subscribe to this narrative why are certain ethnic groups given a pass, e.g the muslim community who as far as I understand it take a fairly dim view of homosexuality, why is their no clamour or marches against their archaic and hurtful views?

BTW for the record I do not share John Barnes views on this but I do think that as long as they don't hurt anyone then he is entitled to them, they are after all indicative of how a lot of people think if they are being honest.

Just for clarity and please, forgive if I'm mistaken (because I honestly could be) but arent you the dude who came into a Liverpool FC forum and started bigging up Maggie Thatcher?

At the same time, I bet Digger has looked at women in a sexual way and thought it was okay...

How would that make the woman feel? Uncomfortable? Uneasy? Vulnerable? Much like how he feels when a gay man does the same.

His comments were dumb and extremely hypocritical.

Definitely a possibility

Just for clarity and please, forgive if I'm mistaken (because I honestly could be) but arent you the dude who came into a Liverpool FC forum and started bigging up Maggie Thatcher?

I'm not sure I did, I'm fairly sure the vast majority of my posts are about the football club, but what is the relevance of your point, is it another thing I need to conform to, shall we abolish democracy as well now?

shall we abolish democracy as well now?

From "did you praise Maggie Thatcher on a Liverpool forum?" to "abolishing democracy"... talk about being sensitive

Ignore is a wonderful function.

As all you dumb cu*ts not reading this already know

From "did you praise Maggie Thatcher on a Liverpool forum?" to "abolishing democracy"... talk about being sensitive

No not really that sensitive, just getting a little bit fed up with people saying that because you aren't a book carrying socialist then you aren't allowed to support the club and yes I have had people actually say that to me before on this forum and that was the insinuation in the post I replied to.

Ignore is a wonderful function.

As all you dumb cu*ts not reading this already know

How could we ignore you, a man with the chips perfectly balanced on each shoulder ;-)

At digger didn't talk about homosexuals ramming it down your throat

Because he's experienced severe racism in his career,  he must then force himself to be comfortable around gay men..

*Tumble weed*

At digger didn't talk about homosexuals ramming it down your throat

Unfortunate choice of words there mate.

Bizarre thread this.

Live and let live, don’t know why people get so worked up over things that don’t impact them.

Thank god the footy is back! 

Can't even have an opinion in today's world can you. The fact that this is even news and a thread on a public forum is just laughable.

The world has gone insane and I won't have anybody tell me any different. Full of F***ing soft, cry baby hippies. Grow a F***ing pair and man up if this F***ing causes you distress and has offended you in some way.

You've got 17, 18 year old lads fighting wars, dying in battlefields every day in shitholes like Syria and then you get gobshites on the internet like omg omg omg John Barnes doesn't feel comfortable around gay men.

I'm not even convinced everybody holds the same beliefs either but it's almost as if it's considered 'cool' to do so, or people are so frightened to voice their opinion incase their is a backlash by these hippies.

Me personally? Well I have a mate who's gay. Been mates with him for 15 years now. Love him. He's a boss lad. One of the soundest lads you'll ever meet. Met his partner too. Another great lad. But I have no problem admitting to him or to any of you that if they started snogging infront of me then I wouldn't feel all that comfortable. Does it mean I hate gays? No it F***ing doesn't.

Nobody will force me to F***ing feel comfortable either and I couldnt a sh*t what any hippy calls me.

642 species exhibit homosexual behaviour, only one is homophobic.

It's completely acceptable. You can't force people to group think. You sound like a leftist cultural Marxist pleb.

Is this like heimdall's burner account or?!

For F**k's sake, I love that all of those good people here who are saying it is not okay to think this way anymore are getting the responses of F**k YOU DON'T TELL ME HOW TO THINK YOU F***ing LEFTIST PLEB BLAH BLAH HELP ME GET MY THUMB OUTTA MY ASS.

The irony is, it's a self perpetuating argument. You tell us not to tell you how to think, which in a round about way is telling us how to think. Difference is, you're all banging on about F***ing group think and Orwellian sh*t, while we're all saying hey, it's fine to have those opinions. However, we are also free to say your opinion sucks a bag of dicks *homophobes shiver*

Digger is an idiot with these comments. While I don't condemn the man for them, I think - like my old man and many I know - he is just a product of his generation and was brought up to think of this as wrong. However, as a man who has dealt with a lot of racial intolerance, he should know a hell of a lot better. Saying "I'm not a homophobe BUT I don't wanna see it" is like saying "I'm not racist BUT I'd rather not share a bus seat with a black man" - it doesn't affect you in any way. Who gives a F**k if the fella thinks you might look good and is thinking of you in a sexual way? You wouldn't care if the girl at the office went home and diddled herself thinking about you, even if you were married or something, because you wouldn't know about it. If she came onto you and made you uncomfortable, it would be no different to if the man came onto you - it would be an unwanted advance. And if both stopped after you made yourself clear that you were not into it, then no harm done no matter the orientation. It's simplistic stupidity to draw distinctions just because you're "icky" about it being a man instead of a woman.

But hey, that's just MY opinion you slack jawed knuckle-dragging yokels. Guess I'm just a F***ing soft cry baby hippy snowflake etc etc etc.

642 species exhibit homosexual behaviour, only one is homophobic.

Preach.

But hey, that's just MY opinion you slack jawed knuckle-dragging yokels. Guess I'm just a f**king soft cry baby hippy snowflake etc etc etc.

I'm not calling you a hippy for having no problems with gay men, im calling you a hippy if you're easily offended by somebody who does.

As long as that person doesn't cause any harm to the person who is gay then who F***ing cares? Why does that offend you so much?

If somebody doesn't want to socialise, be associated with or be around a gay man then that's their choice. And if they want to voice their opinion so people know that then again that's their choice. If they have the attitude of I'll leave you alone if you leave me alone then that's perfectly fine in my book. That person will never come into contact or interact with a gay man so he won't cause them any distress. I only ever have a problem if there is hatred/bullying involved etc and then of course I would agree in that the person is wrong.

It really gets on my tits when somebody has the balls to be honest and tell people how they feel they then receive a backlash and get told they're wrong, and they can't feel that way, it's the 21st century and all this bollocks.

The world is on its arse full of divvys who cry over anything and kick up a fuss over the tiniest of things. People are easily offended over anything nowadays. Heard JB has been kicked out that house now for voicing his opinion and were sat here talking about it on a forum, what a joke.

JB feels uncomforrable around gay men. So F***ing what?

It should only be news if it's 'john Barnes punches man because he is gay'.

I'm not calling you a hippy for having no problems with gay men, im calling you a hippy if you're easily offended by somebody who does.

As long as that person doesn't cause any harm to the person who is gay then who f**king cares? Why does that offend you so much?

Curiosity of the day: It's okay to voice an initial opinion, but you're automatically a soft arse hippy if you counter that opinion?

It's just my opinion that it's a little offensive and counter to everything a progressive society should be aiming for, and as such I think that voicing support counter to archaic ideals is important. But I'M the hippy and I'M the one being easily offended.

I'm just, like, voicing my opinion, man.

Curiosity of the day: It's okay to voice an initial opinion, but you're automatically a soft arse hippy if you counter that opinion?

It's just my opinion that it's a little offensive and counter to everything a progressive society should be aiming for, and as such I think that voicing support counter to archaic ideals is important. But I'M the hippy and I'M the one being easily offended.

I'm just, like, voicing my opinion, man.

And you are perfectly entitled to your opinion, but that's not the aim of this "progressive" society. The aim is to control the masses, make everyone think the same way, cut out individualism and free speech, if necessary by violence for example with groups like ANTIFA. Tell me how that differs from a totalitarian or dare I say Nazi/Fascist state?
BTW I find it hilarious how ANTIFA are in effect the textbook example of Fascism in the way they operate.

Curiosity of the day: It's okay to voice an initial opinion, but you're automatically a soft arse hippy if you counter that opinion?

It's just my opinion that it's a little offensive and counter to everything a progressive society should be aiming for, and as such I think that voicing support counter to archaic ideals is important. But I'M the hippy and I'M the one being easily offended.

I'm just, like, voicing my opinion, man.

It's always "ok" to voice your opinion...but I've learned sometimes it's better not to. Learning how to integrate into society is reliant on learning that lesson. I guarantee there are opinions I hold that I wouldn't ever offer up on here because I know my audience. Now if someone asks me my opinion about a controversial issue, I'll be happy to discuss with them as long as they are genuinely interested. I do agree that people are special kinds of soft these days. I suppose some may say we've progressed in that sense, but to me it just feels like the thought police and tolerance brigade are ready to pounce at every turn to tell you how you are supposed to think or feel about any given subject. Ultimately I try to do my best to judge every single person individually (judge might not even be the best word to use there....maybe evaluate) based on WHO they are, not what they identify as, or what beliefs they hold, etc....

"All we are saying...is give peace a chance...."

And you are perfectly entitled to your opinion, but that's not the aim of this "progressive" society. The aim is to control the masses, make everyone think the same way, cut out individualism and free speech, if necessary by violence for example with groups like ANTIFA. Tell me how that differs from a totalitarian or dare I say Nazi/Fascist state?
BTW I find it hilarious how ANTIFA are in effect the textbook example of Fascism in the way they operate.

Well it is somewhat amusing to see you responding to my post but hey, you are one that likes to dance on the fence post.

F**k off with your notion that progressive society is mass controlling. Quite simply it is asking for the right of every man and woman to be happy. Each and every man and woman and non binary etc etc has the right to be happy. Right? As long as what they need to be happy doesn't infringe on another's happiness (and every person does indeed have the ability to be happy without infringing on another, if they try) then the world is aces. But you fucks that think gays can't marry or that it's okay to judge a gay footballer, that racism doesn't exist, etc etc F***ing etc, bang on about how this world is getting too PC and too F***ing orwellian don't F***ing get that there is still so much injustice against people simply trying to be F***ing happy.

Also your notions of what is textbook Fascism have been noted in the Trump thread and I will not give them the time of day here.

It's always "ok" to voice your opinion...but I've learned sometimes it's better not to. Learning how to integrate into society is reliant on learning that lesson. I guarantee there are opinions I hold that I wouldn't ever offer up on here because I know my audience. Now if someone asks me my opinion about a controversial issue, I'll be happy to discuss with them as long as they are genuinely interested. I do agree that people are special kinds of soft these days. I suppose some may say we've progressed in that sense, but to me it just feels like the thought police and tolerance brigade are ready to pounce at every turn to tell you how you are supposed to think or feel about any given subject. Ultimately I try to do my best to judge every single person individually (judge might not even be the best word to use there....maybe evaluate) based on WHO they are, not what they identify as, or what beliefs they hold, etc....

"All we are saying...is give peace a chance...."

Nothing against you or anything like, despite disagreements occasionally you're a good fella but I disagree with this notion from a personal standpoint. If everyone throughout history just "integrated into society" then we'd be a F***ing backwards ass world right now (at least, more than we already are). As someone who grew up being bullied by the small town clique, that was always made to feel ostracised by the "integrated" folk - F**k that. This world will live by those that push the social norm, or will die by those that conform to the status quo of the F***ing dumb cu*ts that infiltrate every corner of this planet.

Give peace a chance. I very much agree. Imagine...

Well it is somewhat amusing to see you responding to my post but hey, you are one that likes to dance on the fence post.

F**k off with your notion that progressive society is mass controlling. Quite simply it is asking for the right of every man and woman to be happy. Each and every man and woman and non binary etc etc has the right to be happy. Right? As long as what they need to be happy doesn't infringe on another's happiness (and every person does indeed have the ability to be happy without infringing on another, if they try) then the world is aces. But you fucks that think gays can't marry or that it's okay to judge a gay footballer, that racism doesn't exist, etc etc f**king etc, bang on about how this world is getting too PC and too f**king orwellian don't f**king get that there is still so much injustice against people simply trying to be f**king happy.

Also your notions of what is textbook Fascism have been noted in the Trump thread and I will not give them the time of day here.

Nothing against you or anything like, despite disagreements occasionally you're a good fella but I disagree with this notion from a personal standpoint. If everyone throughout history just "integrated into society" then we'd be a f**king backwards ass world right now (at least, more than we already are). As someone who grew up being bullied by the small town clique, that was always made to feel ostracised by the "integrated" folk - f**k that. This world will live by those that push the social norm, or will die by those that conform to the status quo of the f**king dumb cu*ts that infiltrate every corner of this planet.

Give peace a chance. I very much agree. Imagine...

Hang on a second here my angry friend, I have no problem with gays or gays marrying etc so don't make sweeping assumptions about me please.  I am all for people respecting each other and I do agree that has to be the way forward for society, but I do not and never will accept that peoples thoughts and speech should be controlled, apart from where they are used to deliberately stir up hatred and division. I think it is very dangerous to ban free speech, because if you do that you push it underground where it festers and becomes something extremely nasty instead of being out in the open where it can be debated in a sensible way.

Well it is somewhat amusing to see you responding to my post but hey, you are one that likes to dance on the fence post.

F**k off with your notion that progressive society is mass controlling. Quite simply it is asking for the right of every man and woman to be happy. Each and every man and woman and non binary etc etc has the right to be happy. Right? As long as what they need to be happy doesn't infringe on another's happiness (and every person does indeed have the ability to be happy without infringing on another, if they try) then the world is aces. But you fucks that think gays can't marry or that it's okay to judge a gay footballer, that racism doesn't exist, etc etc f**king etc, bang on about how this world is getting too PC and too f**king orwellian don't f**king get that there is still so much injustice against people simply trying to be f**king happy.

Also your notions of what is textbook Fascism have been noted in the Trump thread and I will not give them the time of day here.

Nothing against you or anything like, despite disagreements occasionally you're a good fella but I disagree with this notion from a personal standpoint. If everyone throughout history just "integrated into society" then we'd be a f**king backwards ass world right now (at least, more than we already are). As someone who grew up being bullied by the small town clique, that was always made to feel ostracised by the "integrated" folk - f**k that. This world will live by those that push the social norm, or will die by those that conform to the status quo of the f**king dumb cu*ts that infiltrate every corner of this planet.

Give peace a chance. I very much agree. Imagine...

Maybe my intent wasn't clear...by integrate into society I basically meant "get along with everyone" at least to the degree with which you can. Now that can be harder to do when you have disagreements or particularly when you discuss things like politics or religion. I used to spit fire to have my opinion heard and make my mind known but as I've gotten older, I've come to learn that most folks are going to believe what they will believe no matter what arguments you make to the contrary and no matter what facts you provide. Me included. I can't say I understand how it feels to be the subject of prejudice behavior and while I've grown a lot and have tried to overcome my own prejudices towards others, I know that  some still exist and I try very hard to at least quell them if I can't get rid of them altogether. Ultimately I think the best way to change people's minds is to show them with your actions (peaceful, loving actions) what kind of a person you  are, not with arguments and words.

I do disagree about everyone having the right to be happy. It's a nice idea, but really there's nothing in religion, nature, science, or wherever that can convince me that the purpose and right of a human being is to be happy. For one, everyone's idea of happiness is completely different and the idea that you put limits on someone's happiness as much as it extends to the infringements of someone else's....well that's unfortunately wishful thinking. If you want to argue the right  to happiness from the most basic biological standpoint...the infringement on others has nothing to do with it.

Either way, I digress...there I go trying to do the very thing I said you can't do...change someone's mind

Hang on a second here my angry friend, I have no problem with gays or gays marrying etc so don't make sweeping assumptions about me please.  I am all for people respecting each other and I do agree that has to be the way forward for society, but I do not and never will accept that peoples thoughts and speech should be controlled, apart from where they are used to deliberately stir up hatred and division. I think it is very dangerous to ban free speech, because if you do that you push it underground where it festers and becomes something extremely nasty instead of being out in the open where it can be debated in a sensible way.

Debated in a sensible way. Okay, let us debate in a sensible way.

Is there any good F***ing reason for anyone to hold any prejudice against homosexuals, be it the act of kissing or the act of marrying or anything in between.

If you say yes, explain your good reason and please make sure you note that you are equally prejudiced against heterosexual actions of this nature, including your own, as this is the only way you can be safe in the knowledge you are not a hypocrite.

If you say no, move on with your life as a decent human being.

This is the F***ing point. Freedom of speech is all well and good, but when you bang on about your freedom of speech while making flippant statements about another persons lifestyle, that isn't harming yours in any way, but makes them feel less of a person for them, then you're infringing on THEIR freedoms. And therefore being a c**t.

You love my gifs I know, so here we go:

Maybe my intent wasn't clear...by integrate into society I basically meant "get along with everyone" at least to the degree with which you can. Now that can be harder to do when you have disagreements or particularly when you discuss things like politics or religion. I used to spit fire to have my opinion heard and make my mind known but as I've gotten older, I've come to learn that most folks are going to believe what they will believe no matter what arguments you make to the contrary and no matter what facts you provide. Me included. I can't say I understand how it feels to be the subject of prejudice behavior and while I've grown a lot and have tried to overcome my own prejudices towards others, I know that  some still exist and I try very hard to at least quell them if I can't get rid of them altogether. Ultimately I think the best way to change people's minds is to show them with your actions (peaceful, loving actions) what kind of a person you  are, not with arguments and words.

I do disagree about everyone having the right to be happy. It's a nice idea, but really there's nothing in religion, nature, science, or wherever that can convince me that the purpose and right of a human being is to be happy. For one, everyone's idea of happiness is completely different and the idea that you put limits on someone's happiness as much as it extends to the infringements of someone else's....well that's unfortunately wishful thinking. If you want to argue the right  to happiness from the most basic biological standpoint...the infringement on others has nothing to do with it.

Either way, I digress...there I go trying to do the very thing I said you can't do...change someone's mind

I disagree again with your noting that their is no right to a human being to be happy, as I believe that is a fundamental part of human rights if we are to discuss them. Purpose? Sure, it depends what your purpose is. My purpose I feel is to try and be a better person for this world, which as you can see, flies directly in the place of happiness because it is angering as F**k trying to convince others of this kind of thought But I do believe if everyone tried, it's possible - but that's the issue, just like the John Lennon song, or communism. It's perfect in theory, but there will never be utopian support.

So yeah, you're right. We all are trying to do the thing we say we can't do Respect though, a well written response.

Debated in a sensible way. Okay, let us debate in a sensible way.

Is there any good f**king reason for anyone to hold any prejudice against homosexuals, be it the act of kissing or the act of marrying or anything in between.

If you say yes, explain your good reason and please make sure you note that you are equally prejudiced against heterosexual actions of this nature, including your own, as this is the only way you can be safe in the knowledge you are not a hypocrite.

If you say no, move on with your life as a decent human being.

This is the f**king point. Freedom of speech is all well and good, but when you bang on about your freedom of speech while making flippant statements about another persons lifestyle, that isn't harming yours in any way, but makes them feel less of a person for them, then you're infringing on THEIR freedoms. And therefore being a c**t.

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I disagree again with your noting that their is no right to a human being to be happy, as I believe that is a fundamental part of human rights if we are to discuss them. Purpose? Sure, it depends what your purpose is. My purpose I feel is to try and be a better person for this world, which as you can see, flies directly in the place of happiness because it is angering as f**k trying to convince others of this kind of thought But I do believe if everyone tried, it's possible - but that's the issue, just like the John Lennon song, or communism. It's perfect in theory, but there will never be utopian support.

So yeah, you're right. We all are trying to do the thing we say we can't do Respect though, a well written response.

Wow you are now congratulating yourself for what you are saying, what a lovely little echo chamber you have created for yourself, I'm almost jealous, almost.
Anyway as to your question if there is any good reason for someone to be predjudiced, I would say absolutely none that I can think of but then you make a very dangerous assumption if you believe people are rational, that's something you might learn as get a bit older, people are random, some are very nice, some are assholes, some are downright evil and nasty. Having said all that I still believe in free speech, AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T HURT OR DISCRIMINATE ANYONE, and if someone is hurt just by someone else's view then they are the one with the issues, they are the ones who are in your words a snowflake, they are the ones who need to build themselves an echo chamber and lock all the doors to the outside world rather than shut down free speech.

Wow you are now congratulating yourself for what you are saying, what a lovely little echo chamber you have created for yourself, I'm almost jealous, almost.

Go f**k yourself you condescending tw*t.

Anyway as to your question if there is any good reason for someone to be predjudiced, I would say absolutely none that I can think of

then you make a very dangerous assumption if you believe people are rational, that's something you might learn as get a bit older, people are random, some are very nice, some are assholes, some are downright evil and nasty.

Oh f**k off with your "when you get older sh*t" you f**king say that every f**king time you old crusty f**k. I'm well aware of how the world f**king works.

Having said all that I still believe in free speech, AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T HURT OR DISCRIMINATE ANYONE, and if someone is hurt just by someone else's view then they are the one with the issues, they are the ones who are in your words a snowflake, they are the ones who need to build themselves an echo chamber and lock all the doors to the outside world rather than shut down free speech.

You do understand how f**king stupid you are with this statement - it literally clashes so hard with itself it self combusts.

"AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T HURT OT DISCRIMINATE ANYONE"*

*but if it does then the hurt or discriminated are the ones with the issues, NOT those that make the hurtful or discriminatory comments.

What the f**king f**k is wrong with you, old man.

Also, I don't know why you say "in your words snowflake" as you're the one who brought it into the vernacular here:

Should we just ban the words white and black, would that be easier for you my little snowflake, for f**k sake grow up will you and develop a slightly thicker skin

- I've just been using it to f**k with you ever since, especially when you whined like a little bi*ch over me calling you a racist while you condescend with every chance you get.

F**k me this is a hot topic 

F**k me this is a hot topic 

Go f**k yourself you condescending tw*t.



Oh f**k off with your "when you get older sh*t" you f**king say that every f**king time you old crusty f**k. I'm well aware of how the world f**king works.

You do understand how f**king stupid you are with this statement - it literally clashes so hard with itself it self combusts.

"AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T HURT OT DISCRIMINATE ANYONE"*

*but if it does then the hurt or discriminated are the ones with the issues, NOT those that make the hurtful or discriminatory comments.

What the f**king f**k is wrong with you, old man.

Also, I don't know why you say "in your words snowflake" as you're the one who brought it into the vernacular here:

- I've just been using it to f**k with you ever since, especially when you whined like a little bi*ch over me calling you a racist while you condescend with every chance you get.

You are a hypocrite of the worst kind, you say that all negative views and opinions should be banned because they are all hurtful then go on to verbally abuse me with the worst kind of base vulgarity in each and every single post, even after I wished you a happy birthday.

F**k me this is a hot topic 

It has gone slightly off topic ;-)

You are a hypocrite of the worst kind, you say that all negative views and opinions should be banned because they are all hurtful then go on to verbally abuse me with the worst kind of base vulgarity in each and every single post, even after I wished you a happy birthday.

Should we just ban the words white and black, would that be easier for you my little snowflake, for f**k sake grow up will you and develop a slightly thicker skin

To be fair, never once called for those views to be "banned" (if that terminology has been used in a drunken stupor then I apologise, but I do not call for bans) - just that we, as humans, should move organically to a more enlightened view of humanity rather than saying "It's okay to be a homophobe and F**k you for denying my free speech"

I am forceful in my position, equally as those against are forceful in their opposition.

Thanks for the happy birthday though.

To be fair, never once called for those views to be "banned" (if that terminology has been used in a drunken stupor then I apologise, but I do not call for bans) - just that we, as humans, should move organically to a more enlightened view of humanity rather than saying "It's okay to be a homophobe and f**k you for denying my free speech"

I am forceful in my position, equally as those against are forceful in their opposition.

Thanks for the happy birthday though.

Thanks, I appreciate that, I agree with you that society should become more tolerant but in my view that is already happening but it shouldn't be forced. Anyway lets draw a line under our argument and move on.

John Barnes has been royally stitched up to be fair. My Mrs loves the bloody show and i've seen the whole thing includong his interview last night.

He's on about society and not his own views, but in the way JCB expresses himself it looks bad written down.

Here is his interview anyway:

I was very disgusted with suggestions of me being homophobic,’ Barnes said.

Had that been mentioned in there [during the nominations] we would’ve had it out there and then, I’m sure Shane would’ve been on my side, because that is not how it happened.’

He added: ‘The discrimination we all feel is exactly the same, and I have spoken about this for 20 years in schools and universities. For me to come out to that was a big shock.’

The claims emerged after a conversation with Shane Jenek, with Barnes saying how he thinks heterosexual men are not ‘comfortable’ being around gay men.

Barnes said: ‘I know it shouldn’t be that way, but men are comfortable just being in a room with a woman. But with gays they don’t come with a gay man.

‘They assume he’s definitely going to want to have sex with me. And that’s why men aren’t comfortable with gay men. They think, “I wonder if he’s thinking about me without my clothes on”. It is an uncomfortable feeling that he is going to pounce on me.

Because of the stigmatisation concerning the act itself, they’re thinking you’re gonna make a move on me, you’re going to touch me.’

Barnes’ family also defended his comments in a statement, saying they were not ‘reflections of his own feelings’.

John Barnes has been royally stitched up to be fair. My Mrs loves the bloody show and i've seen the whole thing includong his interview last night.

He's on about society and not his own views, but in the way JCB expresses himself it looks bad written down.

Here is his interview anyway:

I was very disgusted with suggestions of me being homophobic,’ Barnes said.

Had that been mentioned in there [during the nominations] we would’ve had it out there and then, I’m sure Shane would’ve been on my side, because that is not how it happened.’

He added: ‘The discrimination we all feel is exactly the same, and I have spoken about this for 20 years in schools and universities. For me to come out to that was a big shock.’

The claims emerged after a conversation with Shane Jenek, with Barnes saying how he thinks heterosexual men are not ‘comfortable’ being around gay men.

Barnes said: ‘I know it shouldn’t be that way, but men are comfortable just being in a room with a woman. But with gays they don’t come with a gay man.

‘They assume he’s definitely going to want to have sex with me. And that’s why men aren’t comfortable with gay men. They think, “I wonder if he’s thinking about me without my clothes on”. It is an uncomfortable feeling that he is going to pounce on me.

Because of the stigmatisation concerning the act itself, they’re thinking you’re gonna make a move on me, you’re going to touch me.’

Barnes’ family also defended his comments in a statement, saying they were not ‘reflections of his own feelings’.

Yikes he needs to get a better publicist to dig himself out of this one and fast, in that interview it still sounds like he is one of the straight men who is uncomfortable around gay men which I assume is not what he means or perhaps he does and doesn't give a sh*t what people think in which case fair play to him, it's his opinion etc, but bye bye punditry work.

Go f**k yourself you condescending tw*t.



Oh f**k off with your "when you get older sh*t" you f**king say that every f**king time you old crusty f**k. I'm well aware of how the world f**king works.

You do understand how f**king stupid you are with this statement - it literally clashes so hard with itself it self combusts.

"AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T HURT OT DISCRIMINATE ANYONE"*

*but if it does then the hurt or discriminated are the ones with the issues, NOT those that make the hurtful or discriminatory comments.

What the f**king f**k is wrong with you, old man.

Also, I don't know why you say "in your words snowflake" as you're the one who brought it into the vernacular here:

- I've just been using it to f**k with you ever since, especially when you whined like a little bi*ch over me calling you a racist while you condescend with every chance you get.

What about the happiness and the feelings of the person who doesn't feel comfortable around a gay man.

F**k them! Right?

One rule for one and another for the 'bigot'.

Why is it like that though? Because it's the 21st century and nobody can have an opinion any more without thousands of people crying and kicking off?

If somebody doesn't feel comfortable around a gay man then they don't have to explain it to you or the rest of the world. It's their life and nobody should force them to agree with homosexuality. If they don't like or agree with it then so what. Who gives a F**k. Tell me, why do we all have to? As long as they cause no harm to homosexuals and they want to distance themselves from them then why?

If that person was a bully and purposely picked on homosexuals then I'd agree with you all day long. But I have no problem at all with somebody saying nah, homosexuals aren't for me, I feel a bit uncomfortable around them and don't want to associate myself with them. Fair enough, leave them alone and they'll leave you alone then!

I go back to what I originally said. If somebody does actually get offended by that, which people will in today's world, then they need to get a F***ing grip of themselves.

What about the happiness and the feelings of the person who doesn't feel comfortable around a gay man.

F**k them! Right?

One rule for one and another for the 'bigot'.

Why is it like that though? Because it's the 21st century and nobody can have an opinion any more without thousands of people crying and kicking off?

If somebody doesn't feel comfortable around a gay man then they don't have to explain it to you or the rest of the world. It's their life and nobody should force them to agree with homosexuality. If they don't like or agree with it then so what. Who gives a F**k. Tell me, why do we all have to? As long as they cause no harm to homosexuals and they want to distance themselves from them then why?

If that person was a bully and purposely picked on homosexuals then I'd agree with you all day long. But I have no problem at all with somebody saying nah, homosexuals aren't for me, I feel a bit uncomfortable around them and don't want to associate myself with them. Fair enough, leave them alone and they'll leave you alone then!

I go back to what I originally said. If somebody does actually get offended by that, which people will in today's world, then they need to get a F***ing grip of themselves.

I think there is a huge problem there.

If you are uncomfortable with people being homosexual, then most likely it's down to the sexual acts that are performed right? If there is a gay couple having a tongue battle in front of me when I'm eating lunch, not appropriate at all just as it wouldn't be for a straight couple to be doing the same thing. Time and a place for that in my eyes.

But to write off a person on every other level. To say you're uncomfortable having a conversation with someone about anything or even just being around them... I think it's somewhat sociopathic.

If you don't like the idea of homosexual sex, then don't watch homosexual porn, you'll find you can go through life without seeing it. And having a conversation with a gay man or woman isn't going to suddenly open the floodgates and you're 3 minutes away from the conversation turning to anal sex...

We're all just people. You have to have a real reason to be uncomfortable around someone, with the suffix of that word being vital one. If you have two gay men being wildly inappropriate in a public place, that's good grounds to be uncomfortable with them. If you feel that one person in particular is dressing you down with their eyes then by all means be uncomfortable around them. But to apply experiences with one or two people and cultivate it all members of a certain group... Not on for me.

That being said, I think the statement made by Barnes was stupid but the double standards we have in society is wild. If he was a gay man talking about straight men this wouldn't be a story. If he was a woman talking about men this wouldn't be a story.

He said something ill-advised. That doesn't make him a monster and it doesn't make him a homophobe, just makes him look a little stupid.

If gay people said that they are uncomfortable around straights nobody would care, there's no straight bars, no straight pride march. There's an interesting thought. We need equality.

If gay people said that they are uncomfortable around straights nobody would care, there's no straight bars, no straight pride march. There's an interesting thought. We need equality.

Will you F***ing behave!!

Why the F**k do you want a march? Why do you feel so oppressed?

What about the happiness and the feelings of the person who doesn't feel comfortable around a gay man.

F**k them! Right?

Right

If gay people said that they are uncomfortable around straights nobody would care, there's no straight bars, no straight pride march. There's an interesting thought. We need equality.

While I agree with the first part, the second is straight up.... One of the most asinine things I've ever had the misfortune of reading in my life.

Why exactly would there need to be straight pride? When has there been a time when being straight has to be hidden away to literally protect your life. Straight bars? You know one of the reasons gay bars became a thing was to protect gay men and women from psychopaths in 'straight bars' as you may even call them.

There have been books written on how pride comes from fear, and tell me this... What do you need to be afraid of being a straight man? Just don't be a c**t and you'll be fine. Being a gay man now is much easier than it was, but not so long ago it must have been terrifying and that's where the pride movement came from.

If you don't like gay bars, don't go to a gay bar. If you don't like pride marches, don't go to a pride march. Don't go complaining like a baby who's lost it's rattle, demanding 'equality'.

Will you f**king behave!!

Why the f**k do you want a march? Why do you feel so oppressed?

I do feel oppressed, because every time there is a witch hunt because somebody said something slightly politically incorrect they release the hounds. Discrimination is bad regardless of sexuality, gender, race, national or any other factor... however, when people make a big thing about something that has been said not in a malicious way it leaves everybody on egg shells afraid to talk. That is real oppression there. I don't 100% condone John Barns comments, but the media circus and peoples reactions have been so far over the top, so my previous comment was just a sort of "what the hell, lets just all be proud and equal and say whatever we want", it's never going to happen though. I think we are living in a generation where literally whatever is said, somebody will be offended so why bother walking on these egg shells for nothing. Here is the right we don't have.

British citizens have a negative right to freedom of expression under the common law. In 1998, the United Kingdom incorporated the European Convention, and the guarantee of freedom of expression it contains in Article 10, into its domestic law under the Human Rights Act.

So please don't tell me we aren't oppressed, John Barnes situation says otherwise, since even though I don't agree with his views, I don't agree with oppressing them either.

Yikes he needs to get a better publicist to dig himself out of this one and fast, in that interview it still sounds like he is one of the straight men who is uncomfortable around gay men which I assume is not what he means or perhaps he does and doesn't give a sh*t what people think in which case fair play to him, it's his opinion etc, but bye bye punditry work.

To be clear the top part of that is his interview the bottom part what he said to cause the controversy in the first place.

This whole bloody series has been about all different sexualities from trans and transvestites, gay and virgins. All they've talked about is who they like shagging and John was at the forefront of trying to understand all of it to be fair. Showed genuine interest in what everyone had to say.

To be fair it's been a bit sad watching him get caught up in the sheer mundanity of it all but there we go.

The point of the show was to get these discussions out there and within that context Digger has chosen to express this view.

Absolutely no reason he shouldn't be allowed to muse and have his say on why straight men might feel uncomfortable around gay men within the context of the whole shows premise.

Like i said it really is mundane and boring  but then again it is CBB and while it might feel a good platform to discuss these issues within the house among people he's been getting on with, it's easy to forget the media and twitter wankers desperate for a chance to get offended.

In all fairness there's wrong on both sides but as a result we are as a society now too quick to be judge and jury rather than to try and understand and if needed educate.

If you don't like gay bars, don't go to a gay bar. If you don't like pride marches, don't go to a pride march. Don't go complaining like a baby who's lost it's rattle, demanding 'equality'.

I never said I didn't like gay bars, I never said I did either. Am I now forced to state my opinion on that to live up to political correctness? Personally I don't go to any bars, I don't drink alcohol period! Just not my thing. People like you are half the problem, putting words in peoples mouths they never said to take the moral high ground. I am not anti anything other than people like you who try to put words in others mouths.

I do feel oppressed, because every time there is a witch hunt because somebody said something slightly politically incorrect they release the hounds. Discrimination is bad regardless of sexuality, gender, race, national or any other factor... however, when people make a big thing about something that has been said not in a malicious way it leaves everybody on egg shells afraid to talk. That is real oppression there. I don't 100% condone John Barns comments, but the media circus and peoples reactions have been so far over the top, so my previous comment was just a sort of "what the hell, lets just all be proud and equal and say whatever we want", it's never going to happen though. I think we are living in a generation where literally whatever is said, somebody will be offended so why bother walking on these egg shells for nothing. Here is the right we don't have.

British citizens have a negative right to freedom of expression under the common law. In 1998, the United Kingdom incorporated the European Convention, and the guarantee of freedom of expression it contains in Article 10, into its domestic law under the Human Rights Act.

So please don't tell me we aren't oppressed, John Barnes situation says otherwise, since even though I don't agree with his views, I don't agree with oppressing them either.

I think there is a huge problem there.

If you are uncomfortable with people being homosexual, then most likely it's down to the sexual acts that are performed right? If there is a gay couple having a tongue battle in front of me when I'm eating lunch, not appropriate at all just as it wouldn't be for a straight couple to be doing the same thing. Time and a place for that in my eyes.

But to write off a person on every other level. To say you're uncomfortable having a conversation with someone about anything or even just being around them... I think it's somewhat sociopathic.

If you don't like the idea of homosexual sex, then don't watch homosexual porn, you'll find you can go through life without seeing it. And having a conversation with a gay man or woman isn't going to suddenly open the floodgates and you're 3 minutes away from the conversation turning to anal sex...

We're all just people. You have to have a real reason to be uncomfortable around someone, with the suffix of that word being vital one. If you have two gay men being wildly inappropriate in a public place, that's good grounds to be uncomfortable with them. If you feel that one person in particular is dressing you down with their eyes then by all means be uncomfortable around them. But to apply experiences with one or two people and cultivate it all members of a certain group... Not on for me.

That being said, I think the statement made by Barnes was stupid but the double standards we have in society is wild. If he was a gay man talking about straight men this wouldn't be a story. If he was a woman talking about men this wouldn't be a story.

He said something ill-advised. That doesn't make him a monster and it doesn't make him a homophobe, just makes him look a little stupid.

For me this shouldn't be news and it angers me seeing these type of stories every day.

I couldn't give a F**k if somebody's gay or not. Just like I couldn't give a F**k if somebody doesn't agree with homosexuality or not.

If somebody doesn't agree with homosexuality and they don't want to be around or speak to a gay person then I don't understand why that is a big deal and why it is front page news in today's world.

As long as nobody is harmed in any way then people are entitled to feel how they want and hold their own opinions/beliefs without being ridiculed for it.

Right

Nah, wrong actually.

Just like the way gay men don't give a F**k what others think about them, some people don't give a F**k what gay men think about them either.

The difference being gay men and other hippies will boot a storm off over it and cause drama and headlines.

What about the happiness and the feelings of the person who doesn't feel comfortable around a gay man.

F**k them! Right?

One rule for one and another for the 'bigot'.

As Diego said - Right. Full F***ing stop.

You didn't read my post very well, clearly. However in a preceding one it may have been explained better, that as soon as what you need to derive happiness is directly then potentially infringing on someone else happiness, then you're just a sh*t person.

It isn't all that far removed from being uncomfortable around people of colour. There's no F***ing good reason to not just treat them like another person, so why F***ing judge them or their lifestyle?

There's not one rule for one and another for a bigot. Just don't be a bigot. Toughen the F**k up, as you like to say, tough man.

If somebody doesn't feel comfortable around a gay man then they don't have to explain it to you or the rest of the world. It's their life and nobody should force them to agree with homosexuality. If they don't like or agree with it then so what. Who gives a f**k. Tell me, why do we all have to? As long as they cause no harm to homosexuals and they want to distance themselves from them then why?

Sure, if you just want to distance yourself and not socialise in any way without saying anything or acting homophobic, that is in a way being good...ish. But then you're also perpetuating the idea still, through action, that it's okay to segregate from the issue. Got a mate in the US that was gay, he'd notice when people were being stand offish even if it was polite. And he'd feel down about it. So no matter what you do, discomfort will be noticed at some point. So, why do we all have to? Because imagine, if all the people....

If gay people said that they are uncomfortable around straights nobody would care, there's no straight bars, no straight pride march. There's an interesting thought. We need equality.

I hope the forum awards come back and there's a razzies section because HOLY F**k.

This is about as stupid as white people in America bitching that there's no "White History Month" because there's a Black History Month.

I think this topic has run its course, No?

And nothing to do with LFC.

Locked.