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      John Barnes Homophobic statement.

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      Ribapuru
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      Re: John Barnes Homophobic statement.
      Reply #69: Jan 24, 2018 06:37:06 pm
      If gay people said that they are uncomfortable around straights nobody would care, there's no straight bars, no straight pride march. There's an interesting thought. We need equality.
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      Reply #70: Jan 24, 2018 07:11:07 pm
      If gay people said that they are uncomfortable around straights nobody would care, there's no straight bars, no straight pride march. There's an interesting thought. We need equality.

      Will you F***ing behave!!

      Why the F**k do you want a march? Why do you feel so oppressed?



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      Reply #71: Jan 24, 2018 07:40:59 pm
      What about the happiness and the feelings of the person who doesn't feel comfortable around a gay man.

      F**k them! Right?

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      Re: John Barnes Homophobic statement.
      Reply #72: Jan 24, 2018 08:01:42 pm
      If gay people said that they are uncomfortable around straights nobody would care, there's no straight bars, no straight pride march. There's an interesting thought. We need equality.

      While I agree with the first part, the second is straight up.... One of the most asinine things I've ever had the misfortune of reading in my life.

      Why exactly would there need to be straight pride? When has there been a time when being straight has to be hidden away to literally protect your life. Straight bars? You know one of the reasons gay bars became a thing was to protect gay men and women from psychopaths in 'straight bars' as you may even call them.

      There have been books written on how pride comes from fear, and tell me this... What do you need to be afraid of being a straight man? Just don't be a c**t and you'll be fine. Being a gay man now is much easier than it was, but not so long ago it must have been terrifying and that's where the pride movement came from.

      If you don't like gay bars, don't go to a gay bar. If you don't like pride marches, don't go to a pride march. Don't go complaining like a baby who's lost it's rattle, demanding 'equality'.
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      Reply #73: Jan 24, 2018 09:30:18 pm
      Will you f**king behave!!

      Why the f**k do you want a march? Why do you feel so oppressed?
      I do feel oppressed, because every time there is a witch hunt because somebody said something slightly politically incorrect they release the hounds. Discrimination is bad regardless of sexuality, gender, race, national or any other factor... however, when people make a big thing about something that has been said not in a malicious way it leaves everybody on egg shells afraid to talk. That is real oppression there. I don't 100% condone John Barns comments, but the media circus and peoples reactions have been so far over the top, so my previous comment was just a sort of "what the hell, lets just all be proud and equal and say whatever we want", it's never going to happen though. I think we are living in a generation where literally whatever is said, somebody will be offended so why bother walking on these egg shells for nothing. Here is the right we don't have.

      British citizens have a negative right to freedom of expression under the common law. In 1998, the United Kingdom incorporated the European Convention, and the guarantee of freedom of expression it contains in Article 10, into its domestic law under the Human Rights Act.

      So please don't tell me we aren't oppressed, John Barnes situation says otherwise, since even though I don't agree with his views, I don't agree with oppressing them either.
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      Reply #74: Jan 24, 2018 09:31:12 pm
      Yikes he needs to get a better publicist to dig himself out of this one and fast, in that interview it still sounds like he is one of the straight men who is uncomfortable around gay men which I assume is not what he means or perhaps he does and doesn't give a sh*t what people think in which case fair play to him, it's his opinion etc, but bye bye punditry work.

      To be clear the top part of that is his interview the bottom part what he said to cause the controversy in the first place.

      This whole bloody series has been about all different sexualities from trans and transvestites, gay and virgins. All they've talked about is who they like shagging and John was at the forefront of trying to understand all of it to be fair. Showed genuine interest in what everyone had to say.

      To be fair it's been a bit sad watching him get caught up in the sheer mundanity of it all but there we go.

      The point of the show was to get these discussions out there and within that context Digger has chosen to express this view.

      Absolutely no reason he shouldn't be allowed to muse and have his say on why straight men might feel uncomfortable around gay men within the context of the whole shows premise.

      Like i said it really is mundane and boring  but then again it is CBB and while it might feel a good platform to discuss these issues within the house among people he's been getting on with, it's easy to forget the media and twitter wankers desperate for a chance to get offended.

      In all fairness there's wrong on both sides but as a result we are as a society now too quick to be judge and jury rather than to try and understand and if needed educate.
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      Reply #75: Jan 24, 2018 09:42:38 pm
      If you don't like gay bars, don't go to a gay bar. If you don't like pride marches, don't go to a pride march. Don't go complaining like a baby who's lost it's rattle, demanding 'equality'.
      I never said I didn't like gay bars, I never said I did either. Am I now forced to state my opinion on that to live up to political correctness? Personally I don't go to any bars, I don't drink alcohol period! Just not my thing. People like you are half the problem, putting words in peoples mouths they never said to take the moral high ground. I am not anti anything other than people like you who try to put words in others mouths.
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      Reply #76: Jan 24, 2018 09:46:04 pm
      I do feel oppressed, because every time there is a witch hunt because somebody said something slightly politically incorrect they release the hounds. Discrimination is bad regardless of sexuality, gender, race, national or any other factor... however, when people make a big thing about something that has been said not in a malicious way it leaves everybody on egg shells afraid to talk. That is real oppression there. I don't 100% condone John Barns comments, but the media circus and peoples reactions have been so far over the top, so my previous comment was just a sort of "what the hell, lets just all be proud and equal and say whatever we want", it's never going to happen though. I think we are living in a generation where literally whatever is said, somebody will be offended so why bother walking on these egg shells for nothing. Here is the right we don't have.

      British citizens have a negative right to freedom of expression under the common law. In 1998, the United Kingdom incorporated the European Convention, and the guarantee of freedom of expression it contains in Article 10, into its domestic law under the Human Rights Act.

      So please don't tell me we aren't oppressed, John Barnes situation says otherwise, since even though I don't agree with his views, I don't agree with oppressing them either.


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      Reply #77: Jan 24, 2018 10:03:52 pm
      I think there is a huge problem there.

      If you are uncomfortable with people being homosexual, then most likely it's down to the sexual acts that are performed right? If there is a gay couple having a tongue battle in front of me when I'm eating lunch, not appropriate at all just as it wouldn't be for a straight couple to be doing the same thing. Time and a place for that in my eyes.

      But to write off a person on every other level. To say you're uncomfortable having a conversation with someone about anything or even just being around them... I think it's somewhat sociopathic.

      If you don't like the idea of homosexual sex, then don't watch homosexual porn, you'll find you can go through life without seeing it. And having a conversation with a gay man or woman isn't going to suddenly open the floodgates and you're 3 minutes away from the conversation turning to anal sex...

      We're all just people. You have to have a real reason to be uncomfortable around someone, with the suffix of that word being vital one. If you have two gay men being wildly inappropriate in a public place, that's good grounds to be uncomfortable with them. If you feel that one person in particular is dressing you down with their eyes then by all means be uncomfortable around them. But to apply experiences with one or two people and cultivate it all members of a certain group... Not on for me.

      That being said, I think the statement made by Barnes was stupid but the double standards we have in society is wild. If he was a gay man talking about straight men this wouldn't be a story. If he was a woman talking about men this wouldn't be a story.

      He said something ill-advised. That doesn't make him a monster and it doesn't make him a homophobe, just makes him look a little stupid.

      For me this shouldn't be news and it angers me seeing these type of stories every day.

      I couldn't give a F**k if somebody's gay or not. Just like I couldn't give a F**k if somebody doesn't agree with homosexuality or not.

      If somebody doesn't agree with homosexuality and they don't want to be around or speak to a gay person then I don't understand why that is a big deal and why it is front page news in today's world.

      As long as nobody is harmed in any way then people are entitled to feel how they want and hold their own opinions/beliefs without being ridiculed for it.
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      Re: John Barnes Homophobic statement.
      Reply #78: Jan 24, 2018 10:06:20 pm

      Nah, wrong actually.

      Just like the way gay men don't give a F**k what others think about them, some people don't give a F**k what gay men think about them either.

      The difference being gay men and other hippies will boot a storm off over it and cause drama and headlines.
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      Reply #79: Jan 24, 2018 10:14:09 pm
      What about the happiness and the feelings of the person who doesn't feel comfortable around a gay man.

      F**k them! Right?

      One rule for one and another for the 'bigot'.


      As Diego said - Right. Full F***ing stop.

      You didn't read my post very well, clearly. However in a preceding one it may have been explained better, that as soon as what you need to derive happiness is directly then potentially infringing on someone else happiness, then you're just a sh*t person.

      It isn't all that far removed from being uncomfortable around people of colour. There's no F***ing good reason to not just treat them like another person, so why F***ing judge them or their lifestyle?

      There's not one rule for one and another for a bigot. Just don't be a bigot. Toughen the F**k up, as you like to say, tough man.


      If somebody doesn't feel comfortable around a gay man then they don't have to explain it to you or the rest of the world. It's their life and nobody should force them to agree with homosexuality. If they don't like or agree with it then so what. Who gives a f**k. Tell me, why do we all have to? As long as they cause no harm to homosexuals and they want to distance themselves from them then why?


      Sure, if you just want to distance yourself and not socialise in any way without saying anything or acting homophobic, that is in a way being good...ish. But then you're also perpetuating the idea still, through action, that it's okay to segregate from the issue. Got a mate in the US that was gay, he'd notice when people were being stand offish even if it was polite. And he'd feel down about it. So no matter what you do, discomfort will be noticed at some point. So, why do we all have to? Because imagine, if all the people....

      If gay people said that they are uncomfortable around straights nobody would care, there's no straight bars, no straight pride march. There's an interesting thought. We need equality.

      I hope the forum awards come back and there's a razzies section because HOLY F**k.

      This is about as stupid as white people in America bitching that there's no "White History Month" because there's a Black History Month.
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      Reply #80: Jan 24, 2018 10:18:37 pm
      I think this topic has run its course, No?

      And nothing to do with LFC.

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