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      News Stories Feb 2018
      Feb 01, 2018 05:21:56 pm
      Darren Osborne guilty of Finsbury Park mosque murder

      A man who drove a van into a crowd of Muslims near a London mosque has been found guilty of murder.

      Darren Osborne, 48, ploughed into people in Finsbury Park in June 2017, killing Makram Ali, 51, and injuring nine others.

      Osborne, from Cardiff, was also found guilty of attempted murder and is due to be sentenced on Friday.

      Prosecutors said they were "clear throughout that this was a terrorist attack".

      The jury took an hour to return the verdict at Woolwich Crown Court after a nine day trial.

      Sue Hemming, from the Crown Prosecution Service, said: "Darren Osborne planned and carried out this attack because of his hatred of Muslims. He must now face the consequences of his actions."

      Cdr Dean Haydon from the Metropolitan Police said the investigation had the "full weight" of the force's Counter Terrorism Command behind it.

      He also warned that online material had played a "significant role" in how Osborne was radicalised and "brainwashed".

      The Muslim Council of Britain (MCB) welcomed the verdict, but added: "We cannot be complacent and regard this as a one-off terrorist incident."

      Jurors heard the area outside the Muslim Welfare House had been busy with worshippers attending Ramadan prayers on 19 June.

      Mr Ali had collapsed at the roadside in the minutes before the attack.

      Several of those who went to help him said he was alive and conscious in the moments before being struck by the van.

      In a 999 ambulance call recording played to the jury, witness Adnan Mohamud was heard speaking to the operator before there was a loud noise and shouts of distress.

      Osborne drove the van into the crowd at about 00:15. Jurors were told the van only stopped when it hit some bollards.

      He then got out of the van and ran towards the crowd.

      Police later found a letter in the van written by Osborne, referring to Muslim people as "rapists" and "feral".

      He also wrote that Muslim men were "preying on our children."

      The trial heard Osborne became "obsessed" with Muslims in the weeks leading up to the attack, having watched the BBC drama Three Girls about the Rochdale grooming scandal.

      Osborne told the court he had originally hired the van to kill Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn at a march he was due to attend.

      He said it "would have been even better" if London Mayor Sadiq Khan had been present, adding: "It would have been like winning the lottery."

      A statement from his partner Sarah Andrews, read out in court, said he seemed "brainwashed" and "totally obsessed".

      Ms Andrews - who had been in a relationship with Mr Osborne for about 20 years and with whom she had four children - described him as a "loner and a functioning alcoholic" with an "unpredictable temperament".

      Osborne started following Tommy Robinson, one of the founders of the English Defence League (EDL), and other far right leaders on social media, in the fortnight before the attack.

      Mr Robinson sent him a group email saying: "There is a nation within a nation forming beneath the surface of the UK. It is a nation built on hatred, on violence and on Islam."

      Cdr Haydon said: "Osborne's evil and cowardly actions meant a family has tragically lost a husband, father and grandfather," he said, adding that some of those injured "could suffer from health issues for the rest of their lives".

      But, he added, if Osborne's aim was to "create divisions and hate between communities", then he had "failed".

      "The response [of those involved] and the overwhelmingly positive reaction my officers and teams have witnessed since, just further highlights how far from reality Osborne's sick and twisted views really are."

      Harun Khan, secretary general of the MCB, said: "The scenes we witnessed last summer were the most violent manifestation of Islamophobia yet in our country.

      "The case tells us that we must all exercise caution when tempted to stigmatise any group of people, regardless of colour, creed or community."

      Khalid Oumar, a trustee of the mosque and founder of the Finsbury Park Attack victims' voice forum, praised the strength of the community, adding: "The scars will stay with them forever, but the community is determined to go about daily life without fear and to stand together against victimisation and violence."

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42910051
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      Reply #1: Feb 01, 2018 05:55:00 pm
      Desperately sad story, would hate to be in the parents shoes

      https://twitter.com/LivEchonews/status/959122255413436417
      « Last Edit: Feb 01, 2018 09:45:59 pm by RedPuppy »
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      Reply #2: Feb 02, 2018 05:00:57 pm
      There are calls for Liverpool's Lord Mayor to stand down after being interviewed under caution by the police regarding enquiries into fraud allegations. These allegations have seen the councils chief executive Ged Fitzgerald arrested last year.

      https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/calls-mayor-joe-anderson-step-14233991

      Takes dodgy blueshite to a new level.

      Might affect their stadium by the dock plans.
      « Last Edit: Feb 02, 2018 05:28:13 pm by stuey »
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      Reply #3: Feb 02, 2018 06:33:02 pm
      Have you noticed the media bias conditioning going on in the Darren Osborne trial ?

      When Muslims do a terrorist attack or are aprhended for grooming they are described as Asians ?

      Yet when they have suffered an attack they are now described as Muslims aka headlines Darren Osbourne crashed a van into Muslims..

      Then they say he was radicalised online when the attacker Osborne clearly stated that BBC’s three Girls documentary about the Rochdale grooming gang and the two London Terrorist Attacks and the Manchester bombing was what made him do it ?

      Even going as far as saying he received emails from Tommy Robinson prior to the attack when it was an automated email from an emailing list from Rebel Media...

      Not taking anything away from the heinous nature of what he done and he thoroughly deserves the sentence handed to him, just an observation of the reporting that has been seen during the trial..
      « Last Edit: Feb 02, 2018 06:42:24 pm by RedLFCBlood »
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      Reply #4: Feb 03, 2018 09:12:36 pm
      Have you noticed the media bias conditioning going on in the Darren Osborne trial ?

      When Muslims do a terrorist attack or are aprhended for grooming they are described as Asians ?

      Yet when they have suffered an attack they are now described as Muslims aka headlines Darren Osbourne crashed a van into Muslims..

      Then they say he was radicalised online when the attacker Osborne clearly stated that BBC’s three Girls documentary about the Rochdale grooming gang and the two London Terrorist Attacks and the Manchester bombing was what made him do it ?

      Even going as far as saying he received emails from Tommy Robinson prior to the attack when it was an automated email from an emailing list from Rebel Media...

      Not taking anything away from the heinous nature of what he done and he thoroughly deserves the sentence handed to him, just an observation of the reporting that has been seen during the trial..

      Osborne deserves the life sentence handed down to him but yes the BBC will twist and turn till the story suits them.

      Noticeable that they have mothballed Panorama in terms of any negative reporting of Tory policies. The crisis in the NHS, cuts in social care, the rape of the disabled benefits, scrapping the Disability Commisioner ,plans to water down human rights, workers rights cut to ribbons, slapping crippling fees on anyone who takes a case to the Employment tribunal. Not a peep from Panorama, once a great investigative programme, very often highlighting abuses of power. Now nothing.

      Abuse of power by the Torries. Goes unreported by the Tory BBC.
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      Reply #5: Feb 04, 2018 12:30:24 pm
      Have you noticed the media bias conditioning going on in the Darren Osborne trial ?

      When Muslims do a terrorist attack or are aprhended for grooming they are described as Asians ?

      Yet when they have suffered an attack they are now described as Muslims aka headlines Darren Osbourne crashed a van into Muslims..

      Then they say he was radicalised online when the attacker Osborne clearly stated that BBC’s three Girls documentary about the Rochdale grooming gang and the two London Terrorist Attacks and the Manchester bombing was what made him do it ?

      Even going as far as saying he received emails from Tommy Robinson prior to the attack when it was an automated email from an emailing list from Rebel Media...

      Not taking anything away from the heinous nature of what he done and he thoroughly deserves the sentence handed to him, just an observation of the reporting that has been seen during the trial..

      He drove into them outside a Mosque, pretty hard not to describe them as Muslims

      And you can say for certain he wasn't sat at home in his bills cracking one off listening to the sh*te that f**king midget c**t Robinson comes out with.
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      Reply #6: Feb 04, 2018 03:07:14 pm
      Tens of thousands protesters marching today in London to save the NHS, an event conveniently missed by the BBC.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5u9I8SxLH4
      « Last Edit: Feb 04, 2018 04:11:46 pm by stuey »
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      Reply #7: Feb 05, 2018 11:17:31 pm
      Tens of thousands protesters marching today in London to save the NHS, an event conveniently missed by the BBC.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5u9I8SxLH4

      No surprise there.They gnor the rape & plunder of disability benefits as well. Hardly surprising as Capita the company given the contract to assess disabled claimants are the very same company the BBC employ to collect license fee payments and there have been allegations of bullying and intimidation against Capita in respect of this.

      Half the BBC political commentators worked for the Torries at one time or another. They still hold a grudge against Labour over the Irag war. But they are as sly as a fox over it. Make me puke.
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      Reply #8: Feb 06, 2018 11:03:55 pm
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      Reply #9: Feb 07, 2018 12:18:46 pm

      Cheddar Man: First modern Briton had dark skin and blue eyes, DNA analysis shows

      For the first time, it's possible to take a look at the face of a man who lived more than 10,000 years ago.

      The modern Briton - who had dark skin, blue eyes and black curly hair - has been reconstructed using groundbreaking DNA research.

      Nicknamed Cheddar Man, the young man's skeleton was found in 1903 in Gough's Cave in Somerset.

      But while initial reconstructions portrayed him with light skin and brown eyes, the full DNA analysis has shown him to have "dark to black skin".

      Research by the Natural History Museum and University College London (UCL) suggests that the light skin tone associated with northern European ancestry actually developed later in evolution.

      His ancestors had originally migrated to Europe from the Middle East.

      His arrival marked the start of continuous population in Britain, with previous populations having been wiped out before him.


      A "Western Hunter-Gatherer" hailing from Spain, Hungary and Luxembourg, one in ten British people today will share Cheddar Man's genes.

      His ancestors had originally migrated to Europe from the Middle East.

      His arrival marked the start of continuous population in Britain, with previous populations having been wiped out before him.

      https://news.sky.com/story/cheddar-man-first-modern-briton-had-dark-skin-and-blue-eyes-dna-analysis-shows-11239770
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      Reply #10: Feb 07, 2018 02:04:16 pm
      Had to be said, this was actually pretty impressive.

      'Rocket science'



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      Reply #11: Feb 07, 2018 02:13:20 pm
      Had to be said, this was actually pretty impressive.

      'Rocket science'


      When those two boosters landed at the exact same time like that... I got a feeling in my stomach that I haven’t felt since I was a kid... amazing to witness! Live too!

      And then to watch a car playing David Bowie float off into space I legit got a lump in my throat.
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      Reply #12: Feb 07, 2018 03:51:01 pm
      Had to be said, this was actually pretty impressive.

      'Rocket science'





      Is the Roadster heading off to Mars?..
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      Reply #13: Feb 07, 2018 04:11:21 pm
      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42973419

      The German's know how to get their politics done.
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      Reply #14: Feb 07, 2018 04:15:28 pm
      Is the Roadster heading off to Mars?..
       

      Saturn or Mercury maybe?
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      Reply #15: Feb 07, 2018 04:24:51 pm

      The Tory parasites were there before Merkel, May and the DUP alliance is keeping the Tory's hand in the till.
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      Reply #16: Feb 07, 2018 07:16:58 pm
      The Tory parasites were there before Merkel, May and the DUP alliance is keeping the Tory's hand in the till.

      Germans know best.
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      Reply #17: Feb 08, 2018 02:23:24 pm
      Cheddar Man: DNA shows early Briton had dark skin

      A cutting-edge scientific analysis shows that a Briton from 10,000 years ago had dark brown skin and blue eyes.

      Researchers from London's Natural History Museum extracted DNA from Cheddar Man, Britain's oldest complete skeleton, which was discovered in 1903.

      University College London researchers then used the subsequent genome analysis for a facial reconstruction.

      It underlines the fact that the lighter skin characteristic of modern Europeans is a relatively recent phenomenon.

      No prehistoric Briton of this age had previously had their genome analysed.

      As such, the analysis provides valuable new insights into the first people to resettle Britain after the last Ice Age.

      The analysis of Cheddar Man's genome - the "blueprint" for a human, contained in the nuclei of our cells - will be published in a journal, and will also feature in the upcoming Channel 4 documentary The First Brit, Secrets Of The 10,000-year-old Man.

      Cheddar Man's remains had been unearthed 115 years ago in Gough's Cave, located in Somerset's Cheddar Gorge. Subsequent examination has shown that the man was short by today's standards - about 5ft 5in - and probably died in his early 20s.

      Prof Chris Stringer, the museum's research leader in human origins, said: "I've been studying the skeleton of Cheddar Man for about 40 years

      "So to come face-to-face with what this guy could have looked like - and that striking combination of the hair, the face, the eye colour and that dark skin: something a few years ago we couldn't have imagined and yet that's what the scientific data show."

      Fractures on the surface of the skull suggest he may even have met his demise in a violent manner. It's not known how he came to lie in the cave, but it's possible he was placed there by others in his tribe.

      The Natural History Museum researchers extracted the DNA from part of the skull near the ear known as the petrous. At first, project scientists Prof Ian Barnes and Dr Selina Brace weren't sure if they'd get any DNA at all from the remains.

      But they were in luck: not only was DNA preserved, but Cheddar Man has since yielded the highest coverage (a measure of the sequencing accuracy) for a genome from this period of European prehistory - known as the Mesolithic, or Middle Stone Age.

      They teamed up with researchers at University College London (UCL) to analyse the results, including gene variants associated with hair, eye and skin colour.

      They found the Stone Age Briton had dark hair - with a small probability that it was curlier than average - blue eyes and skin that was probably dark brown or black in tone.

      This combination might appear striking to us today, but it was a common appearance in western Europe during this period.

      Steven Clarke, director of the Channel Four documentary, said: "I think we all know we live in times where we are unusually preoccupied with skin pigmentation."

      Prof Mark Thomas, a geneticist from UCL, said: "It becomes a part of our understanding, I think that would be a much, much better thing. I think it would be good if people lodge it in their heads, and it becomes a little part of their knowledge."

      Cheddar Man's genome reveals he was closely related to other Mesolithic individuals - so-called Western Hunter-Gatherers - who have been analysed from Spain, Luxembourg and Hungary.

      Dutch artists Alfons and Adrie Kennis, specialists in palaeontological model-making, took the genetic findings and combined them with physical measurements from scans of the skull. The result was a strikingly lifelike reconstruction of a face from our distant past.

      Pale skin probably arrived in Britain with a migration of people from the Middle East around 6,000 years ago. This population had pale skin and brown eyes and absorbed populations like the ones Cheddar Man belonged to.

      No-one's entirely sure why pale skin evolved in these farmers, but their cereal-based diet was probably deficient in Vitamin D. This would have required agriculturalists to absorb this essential nutrient from sunlight through their skin.

      "There may be other factors that are causing lower skin pigmentation over time in the last 10,000 years. But that's the big explanation that most scientists turn to," said Prof Thomas.

      he genomic results also suggest Cheddar Man could not drink milk as an adult. This ability only spread much later, after the onset of the Bronze Age.

      Present-day Europeans owe on average 10% of their ancestry to Mesolithic hunters like Cheddar Man.

      Britain has been something of a boom-and-bust story for humans over the last million-or-so years. Modern humans were here as early as 40,000 years ago, but a period of extreme cold known as the Last Glacial Maximum drove them out some 10,000 years later.

      There's evidence from Gough's Cave that hunter-gatherers ventured back around 15,000 years ago, establishing a temporary presence when the climate briefly improved. However, they were soon sent packing by another cold snap. Cut marks on the bones suggest these people cannibalised their dead - perhaps as part of ritual practices.

      Britain was once again settled 11,000 years ago; and has been inhabited ever since. Cheddar Man was part of this wave of migrants, who walked across a landmass called Doggerland that, in those days, connected Britain to mainland Europe. This makes him the oldest known Briton with a direct connection to people living here today.

      This is not the first attempt to analyse DNA from the Cheddar Man. In the late 1990s, Oxford University geneticist Brian Sykes sequenced mitochondrial DNA from one of Cheddar Man's molars.

      Mitochondrial DNA comes from the biological "batteries" within our cells and is passed down exclusively from a mother to her children.

      Prof Sykes compared the ancient genetic information with DNA from 20 living residents of Cheddar village and found two matches - including history teacher Adrian Targett, who became closely connected with the discovery. The result is consistent with the approximately 10% of Europeans who share the same mitochondrial DNA type.

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-42939192
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      Reply #18: Feb 08, 2018 03:13:47 pm
      Cheddar Man: DNA shows early Briton had dark skin

      A cutting-edge scientific analysis shows that a Briton from 10,000 years ago had dark brown skin and blue eyes.

      Researchers from London's Natural History Museum extracted DNA from Cheddar Man, Britain's oldest complete skeleton, which was discovered in 1903.

      University College London researchers then used the subsequent genome analysis for a facial reconstruction.

      It underlines the fact that the lighter skin characteristic of modern Europeans is a relatively recent phenomenon.

      No prehistoric Briton of this age had previously had their genome analysed.

      As such, the analysis provides valuable new insights into the first people to resettle Britain after the last Ice Age.

      The analysis of Cheddar Man's genome - the "blueprint" for a human, contained in the nuclei of our cells - will be published in a journal, and will also feature in the upcoming Channel 4 documentary The First Brit, Secrets Of The 10,000-year-old Man.

      Cheddar Man's remains had been unearthed 115 years ago in Gough's Cave, located in Somerset's Cheddar Gorge. Subsequent examination has shown that the man was short by today's standards - about 5ft 5in - and probably died in his early 20s.

      Prof Chris Stringer, the museum's research leader in human origins, said: "I've been studying the skeleton of Cheddar Man for about 40 years

      "So to come face-to-face with what this guy could have looked like - and that striking combination of the hair, the face, the eye colour and that dark skin: something a few years ago we couldn't have imagined and yet that's what the scientific data show."

      Fractures on the surface of the skull suggest he may even have met his demise in a violent manner. It's not known how he came to lie in the cave, but it's possible he was placed there by others in his tribe.

      The Natural History Museum researchers extracted the DNA from part of the skull near the ear known as the petrous. At first, project scientists Prof Ian Barnes and Dr Selina Brace weren't sure if they'd get any DNA at all from the remains.

      But they were in luck: not only was DNA preserved, but Cheddar Man has since yielded the highest coverage (a measure of the sequencing accuracy) for a genome from this period of European prehistory - known as the Mesolithic, or Middle Stone Age.

      They teamed up with researchers at University College London (UCL) to analyse the results, including gene variants associated with hair, eye and skin colour.

      They found the Stone Age Briton had dark hair - with a small probability that it was curlier than average - blue eyes and skin that was probably dark brown or black in tone.

      This combination might appear striking to us today, but it was a common appearance in western Europe during this period.

      Steven Clarke, director of the Channel Four documentary, said: "I think we all know we live in times where we are unusually preoccupied with skin pigmentation."

      Prof Mark Thomas, a geneticist from UCL, said: "It becomes a part of our understanding, I think that would be a much, much better thing. I think it would be good if people lodge it in their heads, and it becomes a little part of their knowledge."

      Cheddar Man's genome reveals he was closely related to other Mesolithic individuals - so-called Western Hunter-Gatherers - who have been analysed from Spain, Luxembourg and Hungary.

      Dutch artists Alfons and Adrie Kennis, specialists in palaeontological model-making, took the genetic findings and combined them with physical measurements from scans of the skull. The result was a strikingly lifelike reconstruction of a face from our distant past.

      Pale skin probably arrived in Britain with a migration of people from the Middle East around 6,000 years ago. This population had pale skin and brown eyes and absorbed populations like the ones Cheddar Man belonged to.


      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-42939192

      https://twitter.com/muslimiq/status/961358375983382529
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      Reply #19: Feb 08, 2018 08:59:27 pm
      Mortifying. Just read a news article that said Jacob Rees Mogg is Conservative Party members' favourite for taking over from Theresa May when she inevitably gets the chop.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__HBBf_eDLM

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      Reply #20: Feb 12, 2018 10:37:05 pm
      Be a godsend if JRM takes over from Teresa "3 weeks" May. But May won't lie down.Certainly not to that twit. The local election are in May. If the Tories do badly there might be some skullduggery from creepy Gove or the bungling Johnson. But it's unlikely that the locals will be overly bad for the Tories.

      You would expect them to be battered in the Locals, but the Media cover up over their hooliganism against the working class will help them. And they will carrying on bleeding the less well off.

      And if they do OK in the locals they might just hold off Corbyn in the next election. By then they will have the idea of privatisation of the NHS well into the public domain. If elected again it will be death by a thousand cuts for anything or anyone that relies on Government funding.
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      Reply #21: Feb 13, 2018 07:52:07 am
      Be a godsend if JRM takes over from Teresa "3 weeks" May. But May won't lie down.Certainly not to that twit. The local election are in May. If the Tories do badly there might be some skullduggery from creepy Gove or the bungling Johnson. But it's unlikely that the locals will be overly bad for the Tories.

      You would expect them to be battered in the Locals, but the Media cover up over their hooliganism against the working class will help them. And they will carrying on bleeding the less well off.

      And if they do OK in the locals they might just hold off Corbyn in the next election. By then they will have the idea of privatisation of the NHS well into the public domain. If elected again it will be death by a thousand cuts for anything or anyone that relies on Government funding.

      Yet they still get voted in! People need to wake up.

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      Reply #22: Feb 13, 2018 10:04:20 am
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      Reply #23: Feb 13, 2018 11:53:11 am
      Yet they still get voted in! People need to wake up.

      Well public opinion is being manipulated by the right wing media. When was the last time you saw a Panorama programme exposing Government excesses, underfunding,privatisation, abuse of power. Never, because there hasn't been one.

      Privatisation of the NHS has started, the disabled have been raped of their benefits. In fact anybody who gets a penny without working for it will be a target for the Tories. And they will hand out financially incentivised contracts to companies to ensure not one single penny goes unearned.

      Any service that is free at the point of use will be a target. I also expect, if the Tories win the next election, to find a way to undermine consumer rights. Nothing will stop the Tories from Americanising the country.
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      Reply #24: Feb 13, 2018 12:01:17 pm

      They have known for years this type of abuse of power is going on. This Oxfam case is the tip of the iceberg. Parliament as well, scratch beneath the surface.......and it will take you at least a month to disinfect your fingernails.

      A conspiracy of silence within all these organisation is the norm.
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      Reply #27: Feb 13, 2018 08:55:05 pm
      Jesus, what the f**king hell is this sh*te? A former ukip candidate has made a Brexit song!!

      https://twitter.com/Michael_PLawson/status/963447126737989633
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      Reply #28: Feb 13, 2018 09:06:24 pm
      Jesus, what the f**king hell is this sh*te? A former ukip candidate has made a Brexit song!!

      https://twitter.com/Michael_PLawson/status/963447126737989633

      No no no...

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      Reply #29: Feb 13, 2018 09:44:29 pm
      Jesus, what the f**king hell is this sh*te? A former ukip candidate has made a Brexit song!!

      https://twitter.com/Michael_PLawson/status/963447126737989633

      In an independent Scotland she would not get a Visa to enter.

      We’d also ban her from eating shortbread. Cow.
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      Reply #30: Feb 15, 2018 01:30:06 am
      School shooting in America. Again. At least 17 dead.

      I'm assuming Trump has already tweeted something along the lines of this?

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      Reply #31: Feb 15, 2018 02:12:39 am
      School shooting in America. Again. At least 17 dead.

      I'm assuming Trump has already tweeted something along the lines of this?



      Yup.

      https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/963878055969198080
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      Reply #32: Feb 15, 2018 02:46:32 am
      Just watching some of the coverage on the news, very interesting listening to some of the ex-fbi people on the panel talking about how they are all for the 2nd amendment but there need to be changes in the law that stops the likes of the AR-15 being sold to the public as they are not hunting rifles.
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      Reply #34: Feb 15, 2018 06:38:44 pm
      Always has plenty to say if the guy is black/muslim always quiet when the killer is white power c**t.Lower flags,light candles pray and wait for the next one,it's the american way.
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      Reply #35: Feb 15, 2018 07:23:52 pm
      Always has plenty to say if the guy is black/muslim always quiet when the killer is white power c**t.Lower flags,light candles pray and wait for the next one,it's the american way.

      And don't forget blaming it on mental health issues!!
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      Reply #36: Feb 15, 2018 07:38:13 pm

      F***ing idiot.
      There's only one person to blame for the massacres - Trump.
      The fraud is in bed with the NRA and refuses to contemplate any legislation that could impact the arms industry in the US.
      The f**king fraud stands there and gushes platitudes to the bereaved familiar once again, they are as much use as the worthless words previously spoken as he does absolutely nothing to stem America's death wish.
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      Reply #37: Feb 15, 2018 11:59:03 pm
      What is he meant to say though?

      That he actually cares enough to try and change things. Thoughts and prayers sound really hollow coming from someone that is in the pockets of the NRA and actively campaigns against any reform of the gun laws.
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      Reply #38: Feb 16, 2018 05:17:32 am
      Trumps also the same asshole who blames mental health for the shootings but then signed an order that makes it legal for people diagnosed with bipolar disorders to purchase assault weapons.
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      Reply #39: Feb 16, 2018 07:35:52 am
      What is he meant to say though?

      Funny you mention it SM. He tweets based on his agenda. If it was a Muslim shooter he would use this to push immigration/travel ban card “we should have more immigration bans” etc... etc... if it was Hispanic then his tweet would be “that’s why we want to build a wall to stop illegals”, but when the shooter does not suit his agenda he’s like “thoughts and prayers, he’s mentally ill” bullcr@p, instead of addressing the problem of allowing 19 year olds carrying f*cking assault rifles in public.
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      Reply #40: Feb 16, 2018 03:54:38 pm
      What is he meant to say though?

      As little as possible.
      Actions speak louder than words and cutting all ties with the NRA would make people think the f**king idiot had suffered a brain storm. the next step is banning automatic weapons - weaponry designed purely to take out as many people as possible in the shortest possible time.

      Eventually bring the US in line with the developed world and ban lethal weaponry full stop.
      America is only matched by Argentina for gun deaths but is way, way behind the rest of the civilised world.


      Trump's reference to mental instability does seem a little close to home.
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      Reply #41: Feb 17, 2018 04:15:03 pm
      Anyone feel the earth move this morning then?http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43097113.

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      Reply #42: Feb 20, 2018 03:14:19 pm
      Post-Brexit UK won't be like Mad Max, says David Davis

      Britain will not be "plunged into a Mad Max-style world borrowed from dystopian fiction" after it leaves the EU, the Brexit secretary has said.

      David Davis said the UK wanted to lead a "global race to the top" in rights and standards not, as some feared, a "competitive race to the bottom".

      British business could "never be cheaper than China" and must focus instead on product and service quality.

      He also suggested a Brexit deal by the end of 2018 was "well on the cards".

      The Brexit secretary's address to Austrian business leaders in Vienna is the latest in a series of speeches the UK government is calling "the road to Brexit" as it faces demands to spell out details of the future partnership it wants with the EU.

      The UK says it wants to avoid obstacles to smooth trade with the EU although it is leaving the single market and the customs union when Brexit happens in March 2019.

      Mr Davis said this can be achieved if both sides recognise each other's standards and regulations, promising the UK will "continue our track record of meeting high standards" once outside the EU.

      The government has previously spoken of adopting a "new economic model" to stay competitive if it is locked out of the EU single market after Brexit, and Labour has claimed the UK could be turned into a "low-wage, offshore tax haven".

      Mr Davis hit back at the government's critics in his speech, invoking the Mad Max series of action films which portray societal collapse in a lawless future world.

      "They fear that Brexit could lead to an Anglo-Saxon race to the bottom," Mr Davis said.

      "With Britain plunged into a Mad Max-style world borrowed from dystopian fiction. These fears about a race to the bottom are based on nothing, not our history, not our intentions, not our national interest.

      "But while I profoundly disagree with those who spread these fears — it does remind us all that we must provide reassurance."

      The UK, he said, would never prosper in a new era of intensified globalisation by cutting standards since it "would never be cheaper than China or have more resources than Brazil".

      He said UK's post-Brexit economic relationship with the EU should be based on the principles of "open trade and fair competition".

      As part of this, once the UK has left, it would not allow firms heavily subsidised by EU governments "unfettered access" to its markets nor permit mergers between UK and EU firms which reduced consumer choice.

      "A crucial part of any such agreement is the ability for both sides to trust each other's regulations and the institutions that enforce them," he added.

      "Such mutual recognition will naturally require close, even-handed co-operation between these authorities and a common set of principles to guide them."

      Last year EU chief negotiator Michel Barnier said it was "simply impossible" for the UK to adopt its own standards and regulations while also having them recognised automatically in the EU.

      Labour said past comments by some senior ministers showed they wanted to use Brexit as a vehicle to "drive down" environmental standards and employment rights when, instead, they should be extended.

      "David Davis's promise... isn't worth the paper it's written on," said shadow Brexit secretary Sir Keir Starmer.

      The general secretary of the GMB union, Tim Roache, said: ""If the best this Government can do is promise Britain will not turn into a 'Mad Max' nightmare - it's no wonder people are worried about their post-Brexit lives."

      The Institute of Directors' Allie Renison said they were "pleased that Davis acknowledges the importance of keeping a level playing field on state aid and competition policy. Minimising trade barriers can and should go hand in hand with a future deal with the EU".

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43120277

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      Reply #43: Feb 20, 2018 04:18:47 pm
      Post-Brexit UK won't be like Mad Max, says David Davis

      Britain will not be "plunged into a Mad Max-style world borrowed from dystopian fiction" after it leaves the EU, the Brexit secretary has said.

      David Davis said the UK wanted to lead a "global race to the top" in rights and standards not, as some feared, a "competitive race to the bottom".

      British business could "never be cheaper than China" and must focus instead on product and service quality.

      He also suggested a Brexit deal by the end of 2018 was "well on the cards".

      The Brexit secretary's address to Austrian business leaders in Vienna is the latest in a series of speeches the UK government is calling "the road to Brexit" as it faces demands to spell out details of the future partnership it wants with the EU.

      The UK says it wants to avoid obstacles to smooth trade with the EU although it is leaving the single market and the customs union when Brexit happens in March 2019.

      Mr Davis said this can be achieved if both sides recognise each other's standards and regulations, promising the UK will "continue our track record of meeting high standards" once outside the EU.

      The government has previously spoken of adopting a "new economic model" to stay competitive if it is locked out of the EU single market after Brexit, and Labour has claimed the UK could be turned into a "low-wage, offshore tax haven".

      Mr Davis hit back at the government's critics in his speech, invoking the Mad Max series of action films which portray societal collapse in a lawless future world.

      "They fear that Brexit could lead to an Anglo-Saxon race to the bottom," Mr Davis said.

      "With Britain plunged into a Mad Max-style world borrowed from dystopian fiction. These fears about a race to the bottom are based on nothing, not our history, not our intentions, not our national interest.

      "But while I profoundly disagree with those who spread these fears — it does remind us all that we must provide reassurance."

      The UK, he said, would never prosper in a new era of intensified globalisation by cutting standards since it "would never be cheaper than China or have more resources than Brazil".

      He said UK's post-Brexit economic relationship with the EU should be based on the principles of "open trade and fair competition".

      As part of this, once the UK has left, it would not allow firms heavily subsidised by EU governments "unfettered access" to its markets nor permit mergers between UK and EU firms which reduced consumer choice.

      "A crucial part of any such agreement is the ability for both sides to trust each other's regulations and the institutions that enforce them," he added.

      "Such mutual recognition will naturally require close, even-handed co-operation between these authorities and a common set of principles to guide them."

      Last year EU chief negotiator Michel Barnier said it was "simply impossible" for the UK to adopt its own standards and regulations while also having them recognised automatically in the EU.

      Labour said past comments by some senior ministers showed they wanted to use Brexit as a vehicle to "drive down" environmental standards and employment rights when, instead, they should be extended.

      "David Davis's promise... isn't worth the paper it's written on," said shadow Brexit secretary Sir Keir Starmer.

      The general secretary of the GMB union, Tim Roache, said: ""If the best this Government can do is promise Britain will not turn into a 'Mad Max' nightmare - it's no wonder people are worried about their post-Brexit lives."

      The Institute of Directors' Allie Renison said they were "pleased that Davis acknowledges the importance of keeping a level playing field on state aid and competition policy. Minimising trade barriers can and should go hand in hand with a future deal with the EU".

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43120277



      From promising us 350m a week for the NHS to promising us that Brexit Britain 'won't be like Mad Max'. Can't help but feel these Brexiteers are tempering expectations. Regardless, even if it did fall to Mad Max levels they'll blame the 'Bremoaners' for the squalid state of affairs because these cu*ts don't know any other argument.

      Still - we can look forward to a deregulated economy outside the EU where we will relive the 80s horrors of Zebrugge, Hillsborough, Bradford City fire and Piper Alpha.
      « Last Edit: Feb 20, 2018 04:24:18 pm by Frankly, Mr Shankly »
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      Reply #44: Feb 20, 2018 04:52:29 pm
      From promising us 350m a week for the NHS to promising us that Brexit Britain 'won't be like Mad Max'. Can't help but feel these Brexiteers are tempering expectations. Regardless, even if it did fall to Mad Max levels they'll blame the 'Bremoaners' for the squalid state of affairs because these cu*ts don't know any other argument.

      Still - we can look forward to a deregulated economy outside the EU where we will relive the 80s horrors of Zebrugge, Hillsborough, Bradford City fire and Piper Alpha.

      Don't forget the relaxing of workers rights too!!
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      Reply #45: Feb 20, 2018 05:04:55 pm
      Don't forget the relaxing of workers rights too!!


      Yeah one thing will lead to another and then we're in a vicious cycle. Provide awful health and safety standards and you'll provide awful working conditions which will no doubt lead to them getting underpaid and exploited. Take it to the ECHR? Forget it - we'll be out of that too if the hard right gets its way.

      Just remember this from possibly (probably?) the next Tory leader when May inevitably gets the chop.

      http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-safety-standards-workers-rights-jacob-rees-mogg-a7459336.html

      'If it's good enough in India then we'll accept it here'. What a c**t.
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      Reply #47: Feb 20, 2018 06:09:18 pm
      Oohhhh Jeremy Corbyn...


      Can't wait to vote this man in as PM..
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      Reply #49: Feb 20, 2018 06:33:29 pm
      Would rather vote to be enslaved by aliens then to vote for either corbyn or may
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      Reply #51: Feb 20, 2018 07:14:45 pm
      Would rather vote to be enslaved by aliens then to vote for either corbyn or may

      According to David Icke we already are ;)
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      Reply #53: Feb 22, 2018 03:25:32 pm

      I don't see an issue in what they are asking in the letter.
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      Reply #54: Feb 22, 2018 03:59:17 pm
      I don't see an issue in what they are asking in the letter.

      I think the issue is it being leaked onto twitter so easy!!
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      Reply #55: Feb 22, 2018 04:33:05 pm
      I don't see an issue in what they are asking in the letter.

      Backbench, very right wing politicians asking for 'full regulatory autonomy' is a bit of an issue. From them that is a demand for lower standards, dangerous conditions and apathy towards the environment. All factors conducive and equal to that of a tinpot dictatorship with bad economic precedents. It's an agenda for exploiters.
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      Reply #56: Feb 22, 2018 04:34:55 pm

      This sh*t will drag on for f**king years, how many years since the referendum when the public demanded we leave the EU?
      David Cameron had to resign because he staked his premiership on us staying in the EU, the Tories as ever were out of touch with public opinion and as a face saver Dodgy Dave was scapegoated, despite the fact the majority of Tories wanted to remain in the EU.

      There are a number of rebels on the backbenches who are vociferously anti-EU and Theresa May has to tread a fine line keeping those MP's on board in vital Bills going through parliament.
      As ever the deceivers do what they do best and will drag Brexit through the lifetime of this government.
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      Reply #57: Feb 22, 2018 04:36:24 pm
      This sh*t will drag on for f**king years, how many years since the referendum when the public demanded we leave the EU?
      David Cameron had to resign because he staked his premiership on us staying in the EU, the Tories as ever were out of touch with public opinion and as a face saver Dodgy Dave was scapegoated, despite the fact the majority of Tories wanted to remain in the EU.

      There are a number of rebels on the backbenches who are vociferously anti-EU and Theresa May has to tread a fine line keeping those MP's on board in vital Bills going through parliament.
      As ever the deceivers do what they do best and will drag Brexit through the lifetime of this government.

      The Tories are the most pro Brexit party once you remove UKIP from the scene! Those who voted Leave sided themselves with the general opinion of the Conservative grassroots as well as UKIP!
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      Reply #58: Feb 22, 2018 04:51:06 pm
      The Tories are the most pro Brexit party once you remove UKIP from the scene! Those who voted Leave sided themselves with the general opinion of the Conservative grassroots as well as UKIP!

      If so why was Cameron convinced, totally against party policy as you claim, that the referendum would result in a remain vote? Him having to resign was a disaster for the government who totally misjudged the referendum result.
      Some in London and surrounding staunch Tory strongholds are demanding a second referendum which May knows is unconstitutional and she dare not attempt it, her only option is delay the process for as long as possible.
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      Reply #59: Feb 22, 2018 05:05:43 pm
      If so why was Cameron convinced, totally against party policy as you claim, that the referendum would result in a remain vote? Him having to resign was a disaster for the government who totally misjudged the referendum result.
      Some in London and surrounding staunch Tory strongholds are demanding a second referendum which May knows is unconstitutional and she dare not attempt it, her only option is delay the process for as long as possible.

      Cameron's government was divided on the issue (which just underlined his gutless lack of leadership during the whole campaign). He and Osborne were on the remain side while the likes of their fellow cabinet members like Gove and Johnson were arch Brexiteers. To be honest where I wouldn't expect to hear calls for a second referendum is Tory England. In fact that's where most of the abuse towards remain supporting MPs and the 'Bremoaner' jibes are being hurled from. Go to large remain voting areas like Liverpool or Scotland and you'll hear demands for a second referendum.

      Either way I can only hope that the Labour Party votes down the final Brexit deal when it is put to Parliament at the end of this year or start of next. That's the only way I can see it being defeated at the moment and I don't even know if they're capable of doing that.
      « Last Edit: Feb 22, 2018 05:21:57 pm by Frankly, Mr Shankly »
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      Reply #60: Feb 22, 2018 05:45:26 pm
      Cameron's government was divided on the issue (which just underlined his gutless lack of leadership during the whole campaign). He and Osborne were on the remain side while the likes of their fellow cabinet members like Gove and Johnson were arch Brexiteers. To be honest where I wouldn't expect to hear calls for a second referendum is Tory England. In fact that's where most of the abuse towards remain supporting MPs and the 'Bremoaner' jibes are being hurled from. Go to large remain voting areas like Liverpool or Scotland and you'll hear demands for a second referendum.

      Either way I can only hope that the Labour Party votes down the final Brexit deal when it is put to Parliament at the end of this year or start of next. That's the only way I can see it being defeated at the moment and I don't even know if they're capable of doing that.

      There most definitely is a strong remain lobby in and around London, the city and banking sectors are strongly in the remain camp, it seems odd that you should believe these Tory stalwarts are supposedly opposed to May and her ministers.
       There is no doubt about Scotland who upset the apple cart at every opportunity and good luck to them.
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      Reply #61: Feb 22, 2018 07:10:36 pm
      There most definitely is a strong remain lobby in and around London, the city and banking sectors are strongly in the remain camp, it seems odd that you should believe these Tory stalwarts are supposedly opposed to May and her ministers.
       There is no doubt about Scotland who upset the apple cart at every opportunity and good luck to them.

      What Tory stalwarts? The only Tories I see actively opposing her and the Rees Mogg types she is placating are the likes of Anna Soubry.
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      Reply #62: Feb 22, 2018 08:38:05 pm
      What Tory stalwarts? The only Tories I see actively opposing her and the Rees Mogg types she is placating are the likes of Anna Soubry.

      The Tory stalwarts referred to are the city stock markets and various banks and financial institutions, May is over a barrel with the backbench potential revolt of Brexiteers and her slim majority as well as having to play act over the Brexit negotiations.
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      Reply #63: Feb 23, 2018 09:43:46 am
      I personally think that anyone who believed that 350m a week stunt are as daft as people believing Corbyn was some sort of spy. How many times have you also heard a Tory saying that Corbyn getting into power would be very dangerous? You have to ask the question: Dangerous for whom? The bankers? Murdoch? The established few who are ruining the country at the expense of ordinary people having a good standard of living has to stop at some point, very difficult to fight against that sort of power, it's down to the voters at the end of the day. I simply don't know why someone would vote to keep any government who are ruining their lives? Funny old world.
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      Reply #64: Feb 23, 2018 02:19:52 pm
      I personally think that anyone who believed that 350m a week stunt are as daft as people believing Corbyn was some sort of spy. How many times have you also heard a Tory saying that Corbyn getting into power would be very dangerous? You have to ask the question: Dangerous for whom? The bankers? Murdoch? The established few who are ruining the country at the expense of ordinary people having a good standard of living has to stop at some point, very difficult to fight against that sort of power, it's down to the voters at the end of the day. I simply don't know why someone would vote to keep any government who are ruining their lives? Funny old world.

      I don't know what's dafter - believing the 350m stunt and voting for Brexit or those who didn't believe it and STILL voted for Farage, Johnson and Gove's Brexit? For sure, there were lies and hysteria from both sides but to use the NHS as a political football in that fashion by the men who are usually held up as the prime assassins of the NHS was unbelievable.
      « Last Edit: Feb 23, 2018 02:24:47 pm by Frankly, Mr Shankly »
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      Reply #65: Feb 23, 2018 02:21:39 pm
      Ah the old all people who voted leave are complete idiots re-surfacing again!
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      Reply #66: Feb 23, 2018 02:28:02 pm
      I don't know what's dafter - believing the 350m stunt and voting for Brexit or those who didn't believe it and STILL voted for Farage, Johnson and Gove's Brexit. Yeah - definitely the latter.

      I didn't for one minute believe the 350m stunt, nor did I believe the scare tactics from the remain side, I didn't vote for Farage, Johnson or Grove's brexit, I voted to come out for the future of my Grandchildren. I voted out because while I love the idea of free movement and free trade the EU has become more than that, it's become an undemocratic cash cow, unable to make big decisions, drove countries into virtual slaves to Germany and France. It has veered so much from a good initial idea into a complete mess and it's going to get worse.
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      Reply #67: Feb 23, 2018 03:11:46 pm
      I didn't for one minute believe the 350m stunt, nor did I believe the scare tactics from the remain side, I didn't vote for Farage, Johnson or Grove's brexit, I voted to come out for the future of my Grandchildren. I voted out because while I love the idea of free movement and free trade the EU has become more than that, it's become an undemocratic cash cow, unable to make big decisions, drove countries into virtual slaves to Germany and France. It has veered so much from a good initial idea into a complete mess and it's going to get worse.

      Fair enough. But surely you'd back the idea of staying in the Single Market if you like the idea of free trade and free movement of people? And nor do I get the hysteria surrounding slave states. The example of Greece (often referred to as the ideal example of EU enslavement) was down to the incompetency of Greece and Greece alone. That their government lied about the state of that country's finances hiding a stratospheric deficit from the public eye. If you cook the books to lie your way into the Eurozone then you only have yourself to blame not Angela Merkel or some 'other' that is always the go to for those trained in the art of blame avoidance, of which Greece did very well.

      And while the EU has it's many faults, some very serious, it has provided more good than bad and in this world where issues like global warming are becoming more visible by the day, more governments have to work together working under one roof. I don't believe in breakups of government, fragmentation in the grander scheme of things but sadly that's the way the world seems to be going with countries becoming ever more nationalistic and introverted in their outlook on the world. And that's a disaster because on the macro scale, to tackle massive issues like global warming and threats to Europe's progressive welfare states by demographic and economic pressures, a political union and consensus has to be maintained. On the micro issues, health and safety and environmental protection standards applied across Europe have been far more rigorous and helpful to us that has made us so much safer which. Not only that, the fact that Europe accounts for nearly a quarter of global growth despite having just 7% of the earth's population also shows it's economic efficiency and in a way that has developed poorer regions of the continent as well rather than empowering the big European centres. You only have to look at the billions of infrastructure and education investment in Ireland that came directly from the EU so the notion that it enslaves and is detrimental to smaller states is ridiculous.

      Anyhow, the wave of new powers coming its way will be poorly managed because the UK's government capacity is too small to deal with such things effectively. The institution of government itself won't be able to deal with it because it doesn't have the manpower or available departments to deal with such responsibilities and that makes no difference whether Labour or Tories are in power. Both will face a tsunami of legislative and bureaucratic responsibility of which will inevitably lead to things going wayward or ignored Heck - since the Brexit vote in June 2016 the government and civil service has been completely consumed by these negotiations which has seen a complete absence of governance. Theresa May's premiership has resulted in glib, clueless statements regarding Brexit and nothing more. Far from this Brexit vote 'liberating us' it has only forced us into a straight jacket with governance all but suspended. No action on NHS, no action on the slowing down economy, no action on devolution, no action on security. That's what Brexit means.
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      Reply #68: Feb 23, 2018 03:31:32 pm
      Ah the old all people who voted leave are complete idiots re-surfacing again!

      Don't forget the knuckle dragging little Englanders


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      Reply #69: Feb 23, 2018 03:34:33 pm
      Fair enough. But surely you'd back the idea of staying in the Single Market if you like the idea of free trade and free movement of people? And nor do I get the hysteria surrounding slave states. The example of Greece (often referred to as the ideal example of EU enslavement) was down to the incompetency of Greece and Greece alone. That their government lied about the state of that country's finances hiding a stratospheric deficit from the public eye. If you cook the books to lie your way into the Eurozone then you only have yourself to blame not Angela Merkel or some 'other' that is always the go to for those trained in the art of blame avoidance, of which Greece did very well.

      And while the EU has it's many faults, some very serious, it has provided more good than bad and in this world where issues like global warming are becoming more visible by the day, more governments have to work together working under one roof. I don't believe in breakups of government, fragmentation in the grander scheme of things but sadly that's the way the world seems to be going with countries becoming ever more nationalistic and introverted in their outlook on the world. And that's a disaster because on the macro scale, to tackle massive issues like global warming and threats to Europe's progressive welfare states by demographic and economic pressures, a political union and consensus has to be maintained. On the micro issues, health and safety and environmental protection standards applied across Europe have been far more rigorous and helpful to us that has made us so much safer which. Not only that, the fact that Europe accounts for nearly a quarter of global growth despite having just 7% of the earth's population also shows it's economic efficiency and in a way that has developed poorer regions of the continent as well rather than empowering the big European centres. You only have to look at the billions of infrastructure and education investment in Ireland that came directly from the EU so the notion that it enslaves and is detrimental to smaller states is ridiculous.

      Anyhow, the wave of new powers coming its way will be poorly managed because the UK's government capacity is too small to deal with such things effectively. The institution of government itself won't be able to deal with it because it doesn't have the manpower or available departments to deal with such responsibilities and that makes no difference whether Labour or Tories are in power. Both will face a tsunami of legislative and bureaucratic responsibility of which will inevitably lead to things going wayward or ignored Heck - since the Brexit vote in June 2016 the government and civil service has been completely consumed by these negotiations which has seen a complete absence of governance. Theresa May's premiership has resulted in glib, clueless statements regarding Brexit and nothing more. Far from this Brexit vote 'liberating us' it has only forced us into a straight jacket with governance all but suspended. No action on NHS, no action on the slowing down economy, no action on devolution, no action on security. That's what Brexit means.

      You say you don't get the hysteria of slave states and you provide Greece as an example, yes they may have cooked the books to get in the club and their system needed bringing up to date but the banking crisis has been the killer, so what did the EU do? Or should I say Germany/France, they have held Greece, Portugal, Italy, Spain and Ireland to ransom and made shed loads of money out of it to the point where unemployment is 40% in some places, how is that in any way a help? If they were able to these countries would come out tomorrow. They also bend the rules to their own benefit when it suits. Still better off out, I don't want to be ruled by Germany or France because like it or not they are running the show. I would say to people, what are you so afraid of? you think we are going to starve and die? Maybe it's better than being strangled slowly.
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      Reply #70: Feb 23, 2018 05:17:50 pm
      Ah the old all people who voted leave are complete idiots re-surfacing again!

      Yeah because those in charge of actually delivering it are in no way f**king idiots, who we should trust!!

      Why would anyone who had to live through "managed decline" believe these f**king, gobs***e, tory bas**rds?
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      Reply #71: Feb 24, 2018 07:35:55 am
      Fair enough. But surely you'd back the idea of staying in the Single Market if you like the idea of free trade and free movement of people? And nor do I get the hysteria surrounding slave states. The example of Greece (often referred to as the ideal example of EU enslavement) was down to the incompetency of Greece and Greece alone. That their government lied about the state of that country's finances hiding a stratospheric deficit from the public eye. If you cook the books to lie your way into the Eurozone then you only have yourself to blame not Angela Merkel or some 'other' that is always the go to for those trained in the art of blame avoidance, of which Greece did very well.

      And while the EU has it's many faults, some very serious, it has provided more good than bad and in this world where issues like global warming are becoming more visible by the day, more governments have to work together working under one roof. I don't believe in breakups of government, fragmentation in the grander scheme of things but sadly that's the way the world seems to be going with countries becoming ever more nationalistic and introverted in their outlook on the world. And that's a disaster because on the macro scale, to tackle massive issues like global warming and threats to Europe's progressive welfare states by demographic and economic pressures, a political union and consensus has to be maintained. On the micro issues, health and safety and environmental protection standards applied across Europe have been far more rigorous and helpful to us that has made us so much safer which. Not only that, the fact that Europe accounts for nearly a quarter of global growth despite having just 7% of the earth's population also shows it's economic efficiency and in a way that has developed poorer regions of the continent as well rather than empowering the big European centres. You only have to look at the billions of infrastructure and education investment in Ireland that came directly from the EU so the notion that it enslaves and is detrimental to smaller states is ridiculous.

      Anyhow, the wave of new powers coming its way will be poorly managed because the UK's government capacity is too small to deal with such things effectively. The institution of government itself won't be able to deal with it because it doesn't have the manpower or available departments to deal with such responsibilities and that makes no difference whether Labour or Tories are in power. Both will face a tsunami of legislative and bureaucratic responsibility of which will inevitably lead to things going wayward or ignored Heck - since the Brexit vote in June 2016 the government and civil service has been completely consumed by these negotiations which has seen a complete absence of governance. Theresa May's premiership has resulted in glib, clueless statements regarding Brexit and nothing more. Far from this Brexit vote 'liberating us' it has only forced us into a straight jacket with governance all but suspended. No action on NHS, no action on the slowing down economy, no action on devolution, no action on security. That's what Brexit means.

      If global warming, health and safety and environmental concerns is the argument for staying in the EU then it's very weak, the UK can participate in all without being in the EU. 
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      Reply #72: Feb 27, 2018 03:13:36 pm
      Man shot dead during Facebook Live after 'outing suspected drug dealers'

      A man reportedly outing suspected drug dealers on social media was shot dead as he filmed himself in a Facebook Live broadcast near a university campus on Monday.

      Prentis Robinson captured the fatal moment as he recorded himself using a selfie stick near Wingate University in North Carolina.

      The 55-year-old died after four shots were fired.

      Police chief Donnie Gay told local media that he had spoken to Mr Robinson minutes before he was shot at about 10am. He said the man had been at the police station reporting a stolen mobile phone.

      In his dramatic Facebook broadcast, the victim can be seen walking and talking to his viewers before being approached by someone.

      He then addresses the gunman.

      "You on Live," Mr Robinson says repeatedly.

      The shots are soon fired before the camera falls to the ground, showing the sky and surrounding trees.

      Wingate University and Wingate Elementary School were placed in lockdown in the hours after the shooting.

      "It's very concerning that just a block away from the police department, that something like this would happen," Mr Gay told reporters.

      The New York Daily News reported that the FBI was investigating the killing and the Union County Sheriff's Office was "pursuing leads".

      Mr Robinson had ruffled feathers by outing suspected drug dealers, according to broadcaster Fox 46.

      The victim's cousin Walter Rorie, 46, described the Mr Robinson as "laid-back" and "friendly to everybody".

      "We don't understand why somebody would want to do this, but that's what they did,” he told the New York Daily News.

      Facebook swiftly removed the video and said it would apply a "warning screen" to any future uploads of the video and limit access for under 18s.

      https://news.sky.com/story/man-shot-dead-during-facebook-live-after-outing-suspected-drug-dealers-11269356
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      Reply #73: Feb 27, 2018 03:17:53 pm
      Leicester explosion: Mother and her two sons 'among five killed'

      A mother and her two sons are believed to be among the five victims of an explosion in Leicester.

      Mary Rajoobeer, 46, and her two sons, Shane, 18, and Sean, 17, were named by police on Tuesday as missing following the explosion at a Polish supermarket with two flats above it on Sunday just after 7pm.

      Leah Beth Reek, 18, who was Shane's girlfriend, and Viktorija Ljevleva, 22, are also missing.

      Ms Ljevleva is thought to have been working in the supermarket at the time.

      Leicestershire Police said search and rescue teams found five bodies in the wreckage but they were so badly injured "it may be some considerable time before the bodies can be formally identified".

      Another five people were taken to hospital on Sunday night following the blast in Hinckley Road.

      One of them remains in hospital with "life-threatening" injuries and police and fire crews have concluded that there are no survivors remaining among the wreckage.

      Superintendent Shane O'Neill said: "We made sure by using specialist dogs and equipment to make sure there is no other sign that anyone else is still alive in the premises.

      "Tragically, all we are now looking for is any further human remains. This is vital work that is being done, on behalf of the victims and their families, and it will take some time to complete."

      Fire crews used specialist listening equipment, cameras and motion sensors to search the rubble.

      Shocking footage of the explosion was captured on CCTV, showing debris being blasted across the road to the opposite pavement.

      Witness Ady Wells, 23, was driving home with his girlfriend Ruby-May Dexter when the explosion occurred.

      "I lost control of the wheel because the explosion was so strong, but I was able to swerve left and park up on the side road," he said.

      "There was a dense black smoke everywhere for about two or three minutes. It's only after that lifted that the fire actually started. I ran over and picked up a plank from the rubble and saw a man lying there beneath it. It was very traumatic."

      Tom Hartley, who lives around 50 yards from the blast site, said he was standing in his kitchen when he heard a "loud bang" and ran outside to see what had happened.

      "Me and a friend lifted up a steel girder with about five other blokes and removed a bloke from underneath it," he said.

      "We then turned round, saw rubble and heard a little boy crying. There was me and another bloke sifting through the rubble and we managed to pull the boy out."

      The boy, thought to be aged between 10 and 13, was able to walk after being freed.

      The building was still on fire on Monday morning.

      Police said the five supposed victims' relatives have been informed and "are being supported by specially-trained officers at this desperate time", a police statement said.

      Teams remain at the scene as part of the investigation into why the building exploded then set on fire.

      Their work is being hindered by adverse weather conditions as a Siberian cold front spreads across the UK, with heavy snow forecast for later on Tuesday.

      The A47 will remain closed in both directions as they carry out the investigation.

      Search teams have faced continuous difficulties at the site, having to suspend work periodically due to concerns over the structural integrity of neighbouring buildings.

      https://news.sky.com/story/leicester-explosion-mother-and-her-two-sons-among-five-victims-11269634
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      Reply #74: Feb 27, 2018 03:19:48 pm
      If global warming, health and safety and environmental concerns is the argument for staying in the EU then it's very weak, the UK can participate in all without being in the EU. 

      As I said earlier, I wouldn't bet against it given the UK's lack of legislative capacity. I could mention free trade, economic growth, workers rights, European social fund and various other EU instruments that have helped some of the most under developed regions in the UK (particularly Liverpool and Glasgow) but you'd still say that's a pithy reason for staying in the UK. The EU has done more to help cities like them than any UK government in the last century.
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      Reply #75: Feb 28, 2018 04:22:10 pm
      I see John Major is absolutely slamming the Tories and Theresa May.

      When it's an ex Tory Prime Minister from another era showing a better understanding of Brexit than the current crop you know they're heading into troubled waters. More so when Labour are starting to outflank them on Brexit terms and conditions.

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      Reply #76: Feb 28, 2018 06:24:37 pm
      I see John Major is absolutely slamming the Tories and Theresa May.

      When it's an ex Tory Prime Minister from another era showing a better understanding of Brexit than the current crop you know they're heading into troubled waters. More so when Labour are starting to outflank them on Brexit terms and conditions.



      Do you know what I'd find very f**king refreshing from one of our former prime ministers, if just one of the spineless cu*ts could condemn the EU for trying to split up the UK, seriously why is no one criticising the EU for behaving like bullies in this negotiation.

      The more the EU keeps pushing the more likely they don't get their £40bn, and if they don't get their $40bn then they are really really fu**ed, far more than the UK will be under WTO.
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      Reply #77: Feb 28, 2018 07:43:09 pm
      Do you know what I'd find very f**king refreshing from one of our former prime ministers, if just one of the spineless cu*ts could condemn the EU for trying to split up the UK, seriously why is no one criticising the EU for behaving like bullies in this negotiation.

      The more the EU keeps pushing the more likely they don't get their £40bn, and if they don't get their $40bn then they are really really fu**ed, far more than the UK will be under WTO.
      I don't think we will pay 40billion without having input from the public. Public can't just say we want brexit now get us a good deal, this is essentially what we voted for. The public voted to stop piling money into EU so paying that would be a betrayal. I think that the EU has become too much unified in its processes, it needs segregation so the trade union is not compiled with open boarders, bailouts and development projects. It's like going to Tesco for a bag of Doritos on sale, but being told only sold to people who also give two bags of Doritos to the store, in addition to letting people in your home to eat your Doritos and putting money in a pot so the whole street can eat Doritos.
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      Reply #78: Feb 28, 2018 08:28:54 pm
      Do you know what I'd find very f**king refreshing from one of our former prime ministers, if just one of the spineless cu*ts could condemn the EU for trying to split up the UK, seriously why is no one criticising the EU for behaving like bullies in this negotiation.

      The more the EU keeps pushing the more likely they don't get their £40bn, and if they don't get their $40bn then they are really really fu**ed, far more than the UK will be under WTO.

      There's only one institution in this whole process that is trying to split up the UK and that is the UK government itself. Time and time again, before the referendum and after it, it was warned that a leave vote would threaten the status of the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic and further warned when the decision was taken by Theresa May last year to pursue a hard Brexit which would take us out of the relevant institutions that would have prevented such a scandal from taking place. The incandescent rage displayed by Theresa May this afternoon over the EU draft only serves to heighten the surreal lack of capability, knowledge and foresight she and the rest of them have displayed.

      It speaks volumes about the Brexiteers that an issue as delicate and as blood stained as Northern Ireland could be so irrelevant when it came to the consequences of voting leave. 'Nevermind' the Brexit evangelists say 'we'll just blame the EU, the ROI and failing that the 'Bremoaners'. True to form, that is exactly what they have done today. Brexiteers and only the Brexiteers have chosen to tear up the Good Friday Agreement, seeing it as nothing more than a piece of scrap paper. That said when trying to view it from a Brexit process the GFA is easily dismissed when delusions over Britain's supposed gained power after leaving the EU is tantamount to believing in a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow, delusions so strong that even at this stage such fairy tales are still believed.

      Far from acting like bullies, the EU have merely acted in the best interests of those across Ireland (who did NOT choose to be in this situation) and the north (which voted, quite confidently, to remain), recognising the pained history and sheer political effort it took to get to the Good Friday Agreement and beyond. To not believe that would be to hold Ireland in complete contempt which isn't surprising seeing as contempt and division (along with an infinite supply of denial) is what spurs the Brexit movement along. 
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      Reply #79: Feb 28, 2018 09:04:17 pm
      There's only one institution in this whole process that is trying to split up the UK and that is the UK government itself.
      I know you are Scottish and maybe you voted SNP, I don't know, but surely only SNP are trying to split UK. UK government could accidentally split the UK, but the word trying is key to your original statement.
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      Reply #80: Feb 28, 2018 10:15:47 pm
      I know you are Scottish and maybe you voted SNP, I don't know, but surely only SNP are trying to split UK. UK government could accidentally split the UK, but the word trying is key to your original statement.

      Aside from that quote being a direct response to heimdall's quote (you'd think that'd be obvious if you cared to read heimdall's post)...

      The UK government's flippant attitude to the Northern Ireland question is so extreme that you can only presume that they are attempting to use Northern Ireland as a device to wedge further division that seeks to undermine their enemies.

      They clearly see Northern Ireland as expendable.

      So 'trying' is the word here even if you are getting somewhat sidetracked...again.

      As for my own circumstances it means f**k all whether I vote SNP or not but for your own interest I don't vote SNP. The SNP don't feature in this particular matter but very much do have a legitimate role in the Brexit process seeing as they are governing Scotland. Unfortunately for them and the other devolved region (as perfectly shown by their attitude over Northern Ireland) they are being completely sidelined by the UK government.

      This is very much a Brexit driven by a Little England cabal.
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      Reply #81: Feb 28, 2018 11:06:30 pm
      Aside from that quote being a direct response to heimdall's quote (you'd think that'd be obvious if you cared to read heimdall's post)...

      The UK government's flippant attitude to the Northern Ireland question is so extreme that you can only presume that they are attempting to use Northern Ireland as a device to wedge further division that seeks to undermine their enemies.

      They clearly see Northern Ireland as expendable.

      So 'trying' is the word here even if you are getting somewhat sidetracked...again.

      As for my own circumstances it means f**k all whether I vote SNP or not but for your own interest I don't vote SNP. The SNP don't feature in this particular matter but very much do have a legitimate role in the Brexit process seeing as they are governing Scotland. Unfortunately for them and the other devolved region (as perfectly shown by their attitude over Northern Ireland) they are being completely sidelined by the UK government.

      This is very much a Brexit driven by a Little England cabal.
      I did read Heimdall's post, there are some articles online about EU wanting to split Northern Ireland from UK, but you said UK government is. It is incorrect because it is the public who voted Brexit, not the government. SNP on the other hand are constantly campaigning for a second referendum to the point they are hemorrhaging voters. To say "only UK government is trying to split UK" is factually incorrect. UK government is not trying to split the UK. Scottish government is the ONLY one doing that. Whatever way you try to wriggle out of it, below is simply false.

      There's only one institution in this whole process that is trying to split up the UK and that is the UK government itself.
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      Reply #82: Feb 28, 2018 11:27:40 pm
      I did read Heimdall's post, there are some articles online about EU wanting to split Northern Ireland from UK, but you said UK government is. It is incorrect because it is the public who voted Brexit, not the government. SNP on the other hand are constantly campaigning for a second referendum to the point they are hemorrhaging voters. To say "only UK government is trying to split UK" is factually incorrect. UK government is not trying to split the UK. Scottish government is the ONLY one doing that. Whatever way you try to wriggle out of it, below is simply false.


      Christ almighty - how f**king hard is it for you to understand that the comment was made in context of the EU vs the UK seeing as it is those TWO entities that are in DIRECT negotiations with each other and the matter of the Northern Ireland border.

      As for your glib statement that you've read articles - patently you haven't. And what you mean by 'it's the public that voted Brexit, not the UK government' in relation to the UK government's actions of pursuing a hard Brexit that means that such actions are endangering the NI peace process...well only you know. Please clarify because most of what you've said is to the point of being self parody. That the public voted for Brexit has f**k all on what course of action the government decides to take after htat.

      I'll spell out to you what you clearly don't know. If Theresa May had decided to pursue a Brexit, one that seeks to stay in the customs union and the single market, then the Irish border does not become an issue. But that they have chosen to pursue one that takes us out of the customs union and single market puts the Irish border in an uncompromising position. You cannot leave the customs union, the single market and keep in tact the pre-existing situation in Northern Ireland. SOMETHING HAS TO GIVE. If you don't want a hard border, don't leave the customs union. The UK government wants to leave the customs union but don't want to have a hard border - acting like a spoilt child and seemingly supported by spoilt children. The fate of the Northern Ireland question is decided entirely by what sort of Brexit the UK government wants to pursue. That you seem to believe that everything is done and dusted on the whim of a referendum result shows just how naive you are. I'll also wait for you to pull up the articles where it clearly states that the EU is trying to split NI from the UK.

      Knock some sense in to yourself fella. Failing that, give someone else the pleasure of doing it.
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      Reply #83: Mar 01, 2018 12:18:31 am
      Christ almighty - how f**king hard is it for you to understand that the comment was made in context of the EU vs the UK seeing as it is those TWO entities that are negotiating Brexit and the matter of the Northern Ireland border?

      As for your glib statement that you've read articles - patently you haven't. And what you mean by 'it's the public that voted Brexit, not the UK government' in relation to the UK government's actions of pursuing a hard Brexit that means that such actions are endangering the NI peace process...well only you know. Please clarify because most of what you've said is to the point of being self parody. That the public voted for Brexit has f**k all on what course of action the government decides to take after htat.

      I'll spell out to you what you clearly don't know. If Theresa May had decided to pursue a Brexit, one that seeks to stay in the customs union and the single market, then the Irish border does not become an issue. But that they have chosen to pursue one that takes us out of the customs union and single market puts the Irish border in an uncompromising position. You cannot leave the customs union, the single market and keep in tact the pre-existing situation in Northern Ireland. SOMETHING HAS TO GIVE. If you don't want a hard border, don't leave the customs union. The UK government wants to leave the customs union but don't want to have a hard border - acting like a spoilt child and seemingly supported by spoilt children. The fate of the Northern Ireland question is decided entirely by what sort of Brexit the UK government wants to pursue. That you seem to believe that everything is done and dusted on the whim of a referendum result shows just how naive you are.

      edit: I'm waiting for you to pull up the articles where it clearly states that the EU is trying to split NI from the UK.
      I think the difference is terminology here, you state the UK wants to leave the customs union, it is a slightly ambiguous statement because the UK is full of lots of people with constrasting views. There is a good chance May will be blocked on a hard brexit, Corbyn has more backing with customs union than May without it. Tories are worried enough to seek legal advise on this anyway.
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      Reply #84: Mar 01, 2018 12:25:02 am
      I think the difference is terminology here, you state the UK wants to leave the customs union, it is a slightly ambiguous statement because the UK is full of lots of people with constrasting views. There is a good chance May will be blocked on a hard brexit, Corbyn has more backing with customs union than May without it.

      Are you being deliberately anal? We all know in this discussion that the UK is just shorthand for the UK government in matters relating to the Brexit negotiations.

      However you only serve to contradict yourself further because in your previous post you said the 'public voted for Brexit'. Isn't that a 'slightly ambiguous statement because the public is full of lots of people with contrasting views'?
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      Reply #85: Mar 01, 2018 02:38:27 am
      Do you know what I'd find very f**king refreshing from one of our former prime ministers, if just one of the spineless cu*ts could condemn the EU for trying to split up the UK, seriously why is no one criticising the EU for behaving like bullies in this negotiation.

      The more the EU keeps pushing the more likely they don't get their £40bn, and if they don't get their $40bn then they are really really fu**ed, far more than the UK will be under WTO.

      The fact you call it bullying and not an organisation protecting its interests is very telling, as I don't recall you calling similar actions, by our government, bullying.

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