The Future Of Our Players On Loan

So looking at the 13 LFC first team players currently on loan - I'm interested to know everyone's thoughts about their future as professional footballers, and in particular whether they have a future at the club. It seems like the pattern with loaning younger players has been to use it as a shop window.  Nobody in the present squad was ever loaned out (and of course there are only two, Alexander-Arnold and Woodburn, who are homegrown products anyway).

So listing the players currently on loan here - what are the thoughts on whether they can be part of the first team going forward:

Allan
Taiwo Awonyi
Pedro Chirivella
Ovie Ejaria
Jon Flanagan
Marko Grujic
Ryan Kent
Lazar Markovic
Sheyi Ojo
Divock Origi
Connor Randall
Daniel Sturridge
Harry Wilson

I think Harry Wilson is a talented kid. Whether he can make an impact in the first team I'm not really sure but he definitely got game.

The rest are all meh. I know some rate Grujic but I don't think he's good enough going forward personally. We already have better in that CM role.

Origi has his fans too but he hasn't exactly set the world alight in the Bundesliga this season. Can see us selling him on in the summer. Like his attitude always gave 100% for the badge but he's just not good enough. We certainly need to find a better back up striker in the summer for Firmino.

Sometimes I forget Markovic is still on our books. Jesus christ he must have been loaned out about 73839201937 times 

Three here that LFC should move on...  Daniel Sturridge, Lazar Markovic and Divock Origi.
For whatever reason,Origi does not fit into Klopp's plays, Sturridge  spends more time injured than fit and has lost not only match fitness but over all fitness, speed and endurance... Things you build over years for playing for me he should have been sold last summer. He has no long term future at Liverpool FC,Both Ings and Solanke have replaced him as Subs. Not in Klopp's plans...
And a couple to consider moving on... Pedro Chirivella and Connor Randall...Need more time maybe, but it is starting to look like the writing is on the wall

Loans. Don’t. Work.

None will be first team players. All will be gone inside 3 years.

Loans. Don’t. Work.

None will be first team players. All will be gone inside 3 years.

This.

How many players can anyone name that we have loaned out that have had an impact on the first team.

This.

How many players can anyone name that we have loaned out that have had an impact on the first team.

Not even 'we'

Name 10 players in the history of the game that have been loaned out and come back better for it?

If you're good enough you're old enough. Was delighted when Woodburn didn't go out on loan, he will develop FAR more training with our 1st team than playing against and training with donks in the championship

Not even 'we'

Name 10 players in the history of the game that have been loaned out and come back better for it?

Cou at espanyol under poch. Everybody knew he was talented but never delivered for inter. He had a good spell in Spain and we went for him.

Harry Kane went on loan because he failed to break into first team, at millwall he had a decent spell. Some would say that's why he got the chance in spuds team

Salah, went from Chelsea to fiorentina and did very well. Matured as a player.

Stu at Bolton, scored goals and people noticed him.

That's top of my head. I'm on my phone but if I was on pc then I would have Googled. A lot of players turned good after getting play time somewhere else.

Didn't jordi alba breakthrough on a loan and then came into Valencia team. I swear I have seen him play for a other team then Valencia and barca

Didn't jordi alba breakthrough on a loan and then came into Valencia team. I swear I have seen him play for a other team then Valencia and barca

David Beckham at Preston for a few games is a famous one but it seems the exception rather than the norm. Pretty irrelevant in the grander scheme of things that one.

Loans. Don’t. Work.

None will be first team players. All will be gone inside 3 years.

Have to agree, I think Grujic has the best chance out of these, if one player does make it I think it will be him.

Cou at espanyol under poch. Everybody knew he was talented but never delivered for inter. He had a good spell in Spain and we went for him.

Harry Kane went on loan because he failed to break into first team, at millwall he had a decent spell. Some would say that's why he got the chance in spuds team

Salah, went from Chelsea to fiorentina and did very well. Matured as a player.

Stu at Bolton, scored goals and people noticed him.

That's top of my head. I'm on my phone but if I was on pc then I would have Googled. A lot of players turned good after getting play time somewhere else.

Lukaku and De Bruyne both had successful loan spells away from Chelsea.  The loans helped the players develop, but didn't offer them a route back into the Chelsea first team. 

I think only Grujic has any hope of a 1st team role here, and even that is pretty slim....

I think Ojo and Ejaria are both young enough that being loaned doesn't necessarily mean they have no future with us. They both played in a good number of first team matches the last two seasons at ages 17 or 18 (as opposed to Wilson). If they can make a good impression this season (and Ojo I think already is), they would have the chance to come into preseason this summer and stake a claim. They would still have to do the business then, of course, but I wouldn't write them off. Maybe Ryan Kent is in this category as well.

Grujic I really don't see it happening here. Sturridge is pretty obvious. Also pretty clearly off are Flanagan and especially Markovic.

Origi will want to move on and the others would likely be gone if we didn't think we could get more for in a transfer fee.

Allan is another who probably will get a chance at making the first 22 in the summer, if he can finally get a work permit.

Loans. Don’t. Work.

None will be first team players. All will be gone inside 3 years.

Unfortunate but bang on IMO

Most youngsters bought into any club are seen as a commodity in terms of if they are not good enough for first team football then how can we develop and make a profit.

Nothing wrong in that approach Chavs have hoovered up most of the top talent in recent years.

I doubt many of those loaned out have a career but imo there is some real talents like ;

Ojo who I believe is not being played in a position that suits his talents.
His dribbling skills makes him an ideal attacking CM with the ability to scare defences with his pace, something I was hoping from Gini!

Grujic is another with a big ceiling who just needs game time, to learn the game, can anyone really say he can't replace Can, Gini or Henderson?

And one I feel sorry for Harry Wilson he is a big talent and will have a good career unfortunately he doesn't have the pace to play in a Klopp front line. Shame as I really like him.

Worked for Chelsea quite a few time, the issue we have we loan them out when they're past their first team potential. No one can tell me that young Woodburn wouldn't benefit from a loan to the right team than sit on the bench losing sharpness & progress. I understand what Klopp and others say "training with these players everyday develops them" but you ask any player, nothing compares to playing competative football for development.

For me, I think loaning out players is good for the player and the team.
it all depends on the player, if he is willing to put in the work and if he has the talent.
I wouldn't mind buying up more youngsters and then loaning them out. Some will turn into player who are good enough for us and the majority will be for lower teams.

Worked for Chelsea quite a few time, the issue we have we loan them out when they're past their first team potential. No one can tell me that young Woodburn wouldn't benefit from a loan to the right team than sit on the bench losing sharpness & progress. I understand what Klopp and others say "training with these players everyday develops them" but you ask any player, nothing compares to playing competative football for development.

I think Woodburn is our backup, we didn't reinforced in Jan. And if our attacking players get injured then he will get into the first team.

So basically I think jk would agree with you but his priority is the first team and he needs someone on the bench.

This gets into a related issue which is how difficult it can be for young players to get a chance in the first team at a big club, a club that is competing for honors and that has high expectations and financial obligations.

Klopp did give a good number of young players some opportunities in his first season and a half. We've already mentioned Woodburn, Ejaria and Ojo. Trent Alexander-Arnold we forget because he's a regular in the 18 now. Connor Randall saw a good bit of action and a few others have at least made it onto the park once or twice (Wilson, Kent, Jerome Sinclair, Kevin Stewart, Cameron Brannagan, Pedro Chirivella, Brad Smith, Joao Teixera, Joe Maguire). Last season and especially this season we are seeing very little of this, and instead we have I think it is 15 players loaned out.

So if Magillionaire is correct and anybody being loaned is effectively a lost cause when it comes to featuring for us someday, wouldn't it would really give a youth player second thoughts about signing for Liverpool? On the other hand, I've seen in here that being 17 or 18 offers no protection from supporters if someone's performance is not up to par - so even the concept of "giving young players a chance" is a pretty complicated one from a managers's perspective (and that's not even getting into the issues someone mentioned re Woodburn of gaining match experience vs. getting rusty playing only for the U23s.

From that List I'd give a better than average chance to, Kent, Wilson, Grujic, and Ojo, not seen much of Awonyi so not sure about him, the rest will be moved on probably within a season or two.

YNWA

Not even 'we'

Name 10 players in the history of the game that have been loaned out and come back better for it?

Rio Ferdinand, Jermaine Defoe, Ashley Cole, Frank Lampard, Danny Murphy, Daniel Sturridge, Romelu Lukaku, Victor Moses, Danny Welbeck & arguably Jack Wilshere.

Rio Ferdinand, Jermaine Defoe, Ashley Cole, Frank Lampard, Danny Murphy, Daniel Sturridge, Romelu Lukaku, Victor Moses, Danny Welbeck & arguably Jack Wilshere.

Harry kane

Watching a bit of the Bristol v sunderland game,Kent is doing pretty good,got an assist,seein alot of the ball.sunderland are sh*te mind,Ejaria not doing anything.Read Wilson scored for Hull.

Wilson earned a penalty that was missed by someone else, then scored himself. Didn't see it, but has to be considered a good beginning.

Loans. Don’t. Work.

None will be first team players. All will be gone inside 3 years.

Tend to agree here Mags.

I can't really remember the last player we sent on loan to come back and have any meaningful contribution to the first team?

Rio Ferdinand, Jermaine Defoe, Ashley Cole, Frank Lampard, Danny Murphy, Daniel Sturridge, Romelu Lukaku, Victor Moses, Danny Welbeck & arguably Jack Wilshere.

The only ones on there that 'worked' were over 15 years ago. Sturridge at Bolton, maybe. Welbeck is sh*t, Moses is sh*t... Lukaku should have never been loaned in the first place and should have been playing but fair enough did well on loan.

It just doesn't work, loaned players are ones that no one wants to buy mostly.

Just looked on the Cardiff forum, they are not so keen on Grujic after 4 games.

Loans. Don’t. Work.

None will be first team players. All will be gone inside 3 years.

Not that easy to say one way or the other. Players go out for different reasons. Top clubs have to more or less buy off the peg quality, so young players get very few serious runs in a top side. So they drift down the league.

There is also the fact that only a few of the crop of young players coming thru ever make it and even less go on to be top players, so it's not that loaning out young players doesn't work. Clubs know that most of the kids coming thru will fall by the wayside regardless.

Loaning young players out does in fact improve their value and help the club get £1m or £2m, sometimes more and that helps recoup the cost of development.

The only ones on there that 'worked' were over 15 years ago. Sturridge at Bolton, maybe. Welbeck is sh*t, Moses is sh*t... Lukaku should have never been loaned in the first place and should have been playing but fair enough did well on loan.

It just doesn't work, loaned players are ones that no one wants to buy mostly.

Keita...?? 

Keita...?? 

He ain't on loan.

He ain't on loan.

I know we have not paid yet but isn't he our player who we have loaned back to them until the summer, was that not the deal...?

I know we havw not paid yet but isn't he our player who we have loaned back to them until the summer, was that not the deal...?

No because to loan a player you need to own the player, there has been no deal go through yet. He has signed a contract to join us, but it doesn't activate until July so until then he is not counted as a Liverpool player. It is not the same system where we purchased Origi and loaned him out. The reason Keita is different is because Keita will be a bit cheaper if Leipzig don't qualify for champions league. It's a strange and deal I know.

No because to loan a player you need to own the player, there has been no deal go through yet. He has signed a contract to join us, but it doesn't activate until July so until then he is not counted as a Liverpool player. It is not the same system where we purchased Origi and loaned him out. The reason Keita is different is because Keita will be a bit cheaper if Leipzig don't qualify for champions league. It's a strange and deal I know.

       That right but It was not the way we were sold the story

       That right but It was not the way we were sold the story

I don't recall the story ever being that we were loaning him back for a year, just that it was a transfer effective July, 2018, as that is when his release clause took effect.

 I was not trying to defend something which is wrong,or claiming what i was saying is right, I was merely pointing out to Rib' that this was the way the media was reporting the story...

http://metro.co.uk/2018/01/10/liverpool-told-can-sign-rb-leipzig-star-naby-keita-early-pay-13m-fee-7220217/

Liverpool’s hopes of bringing forward Naby Keita’s move to Anfield have been boosted after RB Leipzig softened their stance, according to reports in Germany.

The dynamic midfielder has already agreed a £48m move to Liverpool next summer and is effectively on loan at Leipzig, though the Reds have been trying to bring forward the deal following Philippe Coutinho’s move to Barcelona.

This not only came from the metro, but i believe BBC sports,Sky Sports and a few other papers were stating the same thing...
And part of the reason that Leizig agreed the sell to Keita us was in effect that we allowed the player to stay a extra season with them (effectively a loan)... But as side this being a friendly swipe at on of Mags post, in the true sense of the word "Loan" we do not own the player

I was not trying to defend something which is wrong,or claiming what i was saying is right, I was merely pointing out to Rib' that this was the way the media was reporting the story...

http://metro.co.uk/2018/01/10/liverpool-told-can-sign-rb-leipzig-star-naby-keita-early-pay-13m-fee-7220217/

Liverpool’s hopes of bringing forward Naby Keita’s move to Anfield have been boosted after RB Leipzig softened their stance, according to reports in Germany.

The dynamic midfielder has already agreed a £48m move to Liverpool next summer and is effectively on loan at Leipzig, though the Reds have been trying to bring forward the deal following Philippe Coutinho’s move to Barcelona.

This not only came from the metro, but i believe BBC sports,Sky Sports and a few other papers were stating the same thing...
And part of the reason that Leizig agreed the sell to Keita us was in effect that we allowed the player to stay a extra season with them (effectively a loan)... But as side this being a friendly swipe at on of Mags post, in the true sense of the word "Loan" we do not own the player

effectively means not officially, I think you've miss interpretated the media a little bit.

Loans can be good for financial damage control on the wage bill for players that didn't work out.

Lots of players go out on loan and return to make an impact at their clubs, or elsewhere... just from a quick look at England internationals, Frank Lampard, John Terry, David Beckham, Rio Ferdinand, Danny Murphy, Joe Hart, Harry Kane, Danny Rose, Kyle Walker, Ryan Bertrand, Jesse Lingard, Ross Barkley, Adam Lallana, Daniel Sturridge, Jermain Defoe... not to mention the likes of Christensen, Lukaku, Kevin de Bruyne, and I'm sure there are more.

Obviously this is not going to be the majority of them, as most are just loaned out because they're not good enough for the teams they currently play at.

This is not to say that loaning players out doesn't "work". The vast, vast majority of players that go through football academies turn out to be nothing as well, so you could say that "academies don't work" and scrap that as well?

effectively means not officially, I think you've miss interpretated the media a little bit.

Loans can be good for financial damage control on the wage bill for players that didn't work out.

So that it...? you are going to argue over the Meaning for the word "effectively" ok a quick search of the meaning of the word throws up

in such a manner as to achieve a desired result.
"make sure that resources are used effectively"

actually but not officially or explicitly.
"they were effectively controlled by the people they were supposed to be investigating"


B2 in a way that is successful and achieves what you want:
The tablets work more effectively if you take a hot drink after them.
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C2 used when you describe what the real result of a situation is:
His wife left him when the children were small, so he effectively brought up the family himself.
Effectively, we have to start again from scratch.

in an effective manner dealt with the problem effectively

in effect : virtually by withholding further funds they effectively killed the project

So guest it has more than one meaning

As stated before this was a comical/Friendly swipe at Mags not a statement of fact

I would think looking at that list I would give Wilson and Ojo a long shot at being here at the club and playing with senior squad in a couple of years.

Think Kent and Ojo have a chance to claim a squad place next season
Ejaria has time on his side but another who has a chance.
I would have thought by now that we would have heard and seen more encouraging things from Allan after all his loan spells in order to get a work permit.
Grujic seems like a rough diamond but has the basics there
Origi has pace but lacks the basic element of control, awareness and that clinical nature needed as a striker. I say sell.
Wilson, as far more informed others have posted seems to have a lot of potential but pace is one thing that can’t be coached.
Pedro always looked like a tidy and clever little player but would have thought he would have played more over the last couple of seasons if he was truly rated
As for the rest, don’t hold out much hope.

Awoniyi scored twice in Belgium this weekend, just providing equal time. Flanagan an unused sub again.

Sturridge has done his hamstring....after 90 seconds..

Sturridge has done his hamstring....after 90 seconds..

You beat me to it, loan vindicated then

Sturridge has done his hamstring....after 90 seconds..

Good open game tho..WB having a go...pity about Sturridge..

You beat me to it, loan vindicated then

Pity because he could've done some damage to Chelsea rather than to himself.

Glue factory for studge sadly

Pity because he could've done some damage to Chelsea rather than to himself.

He might still do in a bizarre way Rodriguez will be miffed at being dropped  and may have a blinder

He might still do in a bizarre way Rodriguez will be miffed at being dropped  and may have a blinder

Hazzard....great lay off by Giroud...just after he missed a sitter...1-0

Glue factory for studge sadly

Might be the humane thing to do.

I mean I'm no physio but didn't Owen say he had to do half an hour stretching before a game and many hours strengthening and conditioning the hamstrings just to be able to get out there.

Giroud just did a stupid dive, then gets kicked in head on the ground...pure accident...but the moral is Don't Dive in the box when there's boots flying about...serves him right..

Southgate in the stands at the Chelsea game...come to run the rule over Sturridge...I can report that Sturridge looked good...till he fell over..

Baggies 3-0 down and off to the Championship...so they won't be signing Sturridge...should've sold Johnny Evans and bought some decent goal threat.

Not a fanatic for Sturridge or anything, but I can't help but feel sad for a guy who was in such good for us at one time, to see how much his career has been sidelined by fitness issues. It probably ends his final chance to make the World Cup this summer as well.

Liverpool will have to lower the valuation for him come the summer.

Not a fanatic for Sturridge or anything, but I can't help but feel sad for a guy who was in such good for us at one time, to see how much his career has been sidelined by fitness issues. It probably ends his final chance to make the World Cup this summer as well.

Liverpool will have to lower the valuation for him come the summer.

I've took the lash a few times in this thread but I was sorry to see him go. I loved his game and I said a few times in the Klopp thread that I wanted him to stay. If he can get back to fitness he could do well for WB but I think they are beyond saving but whatever Sturridge will surely move on permanently in the close season.

The sad truth is that most youth products don't make it, the financial truth is, if developed enough and with strategic loaning, they are a good revenue source.

The sad truth is that most youth products don't make it, the financial truth is, if developed enough and with strategic loaning, they are a good revenue source.

I get what you are saying and yet...the players at the best teams come from somewhere.

I'd love to take a look at the top 6 teams in England, for maybe the final 16 in the Champions League, and ID the developing club for each of their 25 top squad members. I wonder who the leaders would be. A club in South America or Africa, maybe?

Conversely, over the past 10 years, who are the first team players playing in more than 10 matches (in the Premiership) who were developed by Liverpool?