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      Tayls
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #1175: May 17, 2021 12:57:11 pm
      But in this case the linesman gave offside, var didn't matter


      And the first one was right too, no matter what gravy chops says

      The rule is now that if the ball strikes the ref its a non contested drop ball and the team in possession is given the ball back

      So again the ref got it right and var was nothing to do with it

      Except the ball didn't hit the ref, he just blocked Fab a bit. There's nothing in the rules about that. Dean got it wrong, just like he got a lot of other things wrong, like some of the fouls he gave against us. He didn't give a drop ball either, he gave a foul. Matt Phillips did WBA no favours by scooping it right back to Fab that quickly though.

      The offside might feel harsh, sure we'd be moaning if it went against us, but by the law it was a correct decision. You can't just stand in front of the keeper in an offside position, the fact the shot ended up in the corner is irrelevant.
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      Reply #1176: May 17, 2021 12:59:26 pm
      He gave offside against the player who was offside right in front of Alisson

      And you can disagree if you like but I suggest you go read the rules and then you'll be informed

      Ref was right, linesman was right, var didn't change or make those decisions

      Doesn't matter what they say in the rules the officials still get it wrong on the pitch.  :lmao:
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #1177: May 17, 2021 01:00:17 pm
      Except the ball didn't hit the ref, he just blocked Fab a bit. There's nothing in the rules about that. Dean got it wrong, just like he got a lot of other things wrong, like some of the fouls he gave against us. He didn't give a drop ball either, he gave a foul. Matt Phillips did WBA no favours by scooping it right back to Fab that quickly though.

      The offside might feel harsh, sure we'd be moaning if it went against us, but by the law it was a correct decision. You can't just stand in front of the keeper in an offside position, the fact the shot ended up in the corner is irrelevant.

      Thought the ball hit the ref? Sorry I'd had a beer  :D

      Point being though, in the var thread that var didn't give those decisions
      The ref and linesman did and without var those decions would have been the same as var didn't turn either over

      If the ref got the interpretation wrong on the first goal surely the var ref would have told him as its a clear and obvious error ? No?
      « Last Edit: May 17, 2021 01:11:00 pm by L4.19Times »
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #1178: May 17, 2021 01:31:50 pm
      Can't believe we got a VAR decision for us with a Manc C**t sitting in the seat!

      Swings and roundabouts mate - it does even up eventually.
      What a game for that levelling up to benefit us, VAR does take out the majority of human error so nobody could argue with that.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #1179: May 17, 2021 01:34:54 pm
      But in this case the linesman gave offside, var didn't matter


      And the first one was right too, no matter what gravy chops says

      The rule is now that if the ball strikes the ref its a non contested drop ball and the team in possession is given the ball back

      So again the ref got it right and var was nothing to do with it

      Fat Sam talks out of his arse.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #1180: May 17, 2021 02:00:41 pm
      Thought the ball hit the ref? Sorry I'd had a beer  :D

      Point being though, in the var thread that var didn't give those decisions
      The ref and linesman did and without var those decions would have been the same as var didn't turn either over

      If the ref got the interpretation wrong on the first goal surely the var ref would have told him as its a clear and obvious error ? No?

      Just take the rose tinted glasses off and don't blame the beer.  ;D

      Your right, if the ref got interpration wrong why didn't VAR intervene ?
      I'll tell you why... LiVARpool  ;D
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #1181: May 17, 2021 02:10:55 pm
      I've seen when a player blocks keeper goals still given

      That has zero to do with the call yesterday which was 100% spot on how the offsides call in front of the keeper should be called.

      if you are upset that goals were given in the past at some point because the rule wasn't enforced correctly, go find threads discussing those goals because they have nothing to do with this instance.
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      Reply #1182: May 17, 2021 02:14:17 pm
      That has zero to do with the call yesterday which was 100% spot on how the offsides call in front of the keeper should be called.

      if you are upset that goals were given in the past at some point because the rule wasn't enforced correctly, go find threads discussing those goals because they have nothing to do with this instance.

      Only upset in the fact sometimes they call it and others they don't. That's VAR.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #1183: May 17, 2021 02:15:17 pm

      Oh dear, your bubble burst  :lmao: Can't you take banter?
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      Reply #1184: May 18, 2021 12:35:20 am
      Yeah you got a couple your way yesterday, perhaps you lot will stop moaning now.  :f_whistle:

      1 and that's about it. Stop talking out yer Manc arse!  :lmao: xxxxx:action-smiley-065:
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #1185: May 18, 2021 10:06:24 am
      Thought the ball hit the ref? Sorry I'd had a beer  :D

      Point being though, in the var thread that var didn't give those decisions
      The ref and linesman did and without var those decions would have been the same as var didn't turn either over

      If the ref got the interpretation wrong on the first goal surely the var ref would have told him as its a clear and obvious error ? No?

      By the by thought Dean's positioning was woeful  in the game, seemed to me he was like a Sunday afternoon stand in for an alehouse game and had a few lagers too many!

      Invariably he was in a position that could affect play, either blocking player's line of vision or avoiding the ball, that would lead you to think he was closely monitoring the game when in fact there were so many questionable decisions the opposite is true.

      Bad day at the office Mr Dean.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #1186: May 18, 2021 10:18:53 am

      When are you lot gonna stop moaning about fixtures, injuries, owners, referees, international games, corner flags and the price of eggs?
      Oh and winning f**k all of course .


      Yeah you got a couple your way yesterday, perhaps you lot will stop moaning now.  :f_whistle:


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      Reply #1187: May 18, 2021 10:33:34 am
      For me it was offside and the correct decision. He was standing directly in front of our keeper. That must surely count as interfering with play?

      I wonder how many goals in the past would have been given or disallowed. I remember spurs scoring at old Trafford once but nobody notice the ball was about a metre behind the line.
      And for some reason, I think it was 1990 season, I recall Ian rush scoring against sheff Utd where he basically fouls their keeper with his elbow I think. I don’t know what I remember that.
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      Reply #1188: May 18, 2021 11:19:05 am
      For me it was offside and the correct decision. He was standing directly in front of our keeper. That must surely count as interfering with play?


      There's no real issue about the goal being disallowed Bob, as you rightly say interfering with play was the correct call. It's just that I've seen same thing in couple of matches and the goal stands. Think we all just want consistency which were not not getting.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #1189: May 18, 2021 07:36:37 pm
      VAR taking the piss with a possible offside for Fulham..

      Dodgy angles.. 🙄
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #1190: May 18, 2021 08:04:51 pm
      What a shocking decision to allow the utd goal
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #1191: May 18, 2021 08:24:50 pm
      VAR taking the piss with a possible offside for Fulham..

      Dodgy angles.. 🙄

      Gary Nev shot his load a bit early agreeing it was offside, only to be corrected by his co-commentator!
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      Reply #1192: May 19, 2021 09:12:41 am
      Have to take my hat off to Banford last nite for not diving and trying to keep the integrity of the game honest. In what appeared a stone wall penalty if he'd of gone to the ground VAR give a penalty. However, he succeeds to keep his footing and you'd fully expect VAR to give a penalty yet don't  :f_steam:

      VAR just promoting players to dive dive  dive in order to get the penalty. It's impossible to do the right things with these tw@ts running VAR.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #1193: May 21, 2021 10:58:11 am
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      How long did that take for the Newcastle penalty LOL. No where near offside when they keep drawing the lines. If that was against West Brom for example that would have taken 0.28 seconds.

      F***ing farcical form of subtle cheating!

      It doesn't matter how long it takes. What matters is the correct decision was reached, in the interests of Fair Play.

      In the Chelsea.v Leicester game, a clear and obvious handball could have been the difference in who qualifies for the top 4 or not, as in our game v Newcastle. It's frankly unbelievable that in 2021, with all the technology used in the sport (as in everyday life) that people still want cheating like that to stand, with all the massive consequences that result. It's like arguing against using air traffic control imo. You may not always agree with what it tells you but you still need it, to help prevent the massive consequences as a result of not having it.
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      Reply #1194: Jun 04, 2021 12:07:51 pm
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #1195: Jun 08, 2021 03:59:15 pm
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      Have to take my hat off to Banford last nite for not diving and trying to keep the integrity of the game honest. In what appeared a stone wall penalty if he'd of gone to the ground VAR give a penalty. However, he succeeds to keep his footing and you'd fully expect VAR to give a penalty yet don't  :f_steam:

      VAR just promoting players to dive dive  dive in order to get the penalty. It's impossible to do the right things with VAR.

      Diving = no contact. If he's fouled, he has every right to go down to get a penalty. He decided he would rather score a goal instead, but all he got was a corner. When Mane and Salah go down for a penalty after being fouled, they get called divers. They're just doing the professional thing to do. It's not diving in any way or form.

      VAR doesn't give a penalty anymore. VAR may advise the ref to go and review a challenge in the box, then the video operator in the hub supplies the evidence for the ref to look at pitchside. After that, it's all down to the ref on the field. He is the one who makes those decisions. He has a team on and off the pitch to assist him, (and he will usually go with what he sees on the screen) but he has the authority to ignore them all, if he so wishes.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #1196: Jun 10, 2021 10:37:39 pm
      "Premier League to use thicker lines when assessing offside calls next season"

      https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57435400

      Here's a novel ideal - why not use different referees? David Coote's shambolic and embarrassing afternoon's work during the derby back in October still wrangles with me. And yet we're stuck with people like that. Hand on heart, I think VAR can be used for good as the referees during the 2018 World Cup proved. Back then no English referees were invited to that tournament. You can see why from the last couple of seasons in the Premier League. The standard is appalling. They're not just unfit to use the technology at hand, but some are physically unfit to referee on the field as well. They command absolutely no authority and little if any respect because of how useless they are. It's farcical that someone like Martin Atkinson continues to be put forward by the FA as England's top referee. That guy's just a f**king clown.

      The worst thing is, with VAR operated by these clowns you are seeing their thought processes play out as they edit in real time, live in front of millions of viewers as they shift and squint the lines to fit whatever agenda that want to chicken out of (or out of sheer bias perhaps?) or just out of sheer incompetence. It's a complete horror show. Like watching your nan break dancing.
      « Last Edit: Jun 10, 2021 10:45:47 pm by Frankly, Mr Shankly »
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      Reply #1197: Jun 11, 2021 09:01:09 am
      "Premier League to use thicker lines when assessing offside calls next season"

      https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57435400

      Here's a novel ideal - why not use different referees? David Coote's shambolic and embarrassing afternoon's work during the derby back in October still wrangles with me. And yet we're stuck with people like that. Hand on heart, I think VAR can be used for good as the referees during the 2018 World Cup proved. Back then no English referees were invited to that tournament. You can see why from the last couple of seasons in the Premier League. The standard is appalling. They're not just unfit to use the technology at hand, but some are physically unfit to referee on the field as well. They command absolutely no authority and little if any respect because of how useless they are. It's farcical that someone like Martin Atkinson continues to be put forward by the FA as England's top referee. That guy's just a f**king clown.

      The worst thing is, with VAR operated by these clowns you are seeing their thought processes play out as they edit in real time, live in front of millions of viewers as they shift and squint the lines to fit whatever agenda that want to chicken out of (or out of sheer bias perhaps?) or just out of sheer incompetence. It's a complete horror show. Like watching your nan break dancing.

      I just don't know what to make of these new thicker lines. I suppose time will tell but won't be holding my breath with the results. I see the logic but with the fools behind the decisions God only knows.  :f_doh:
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #1198: Jun 11, 2021 09:46:42 am
      "Premier League to use thicker lines when assessing offside calls next season"

      https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57435400

      Here's a novel ideal - why not use different referees? David Coote's shambolic and embarrassing afternoon's work during the derby back in October still wrangles with me. And yet we're stuck with people like that. Hand on heart, I think VAR can be used for good as the referees during the 2018 World Cup proved. Back then no English referees were invited to that tournament. You can see why from the last couple of seasons in the Premier League. The standard is appalling. They're not just unfit to use the technology at hand, but some are physically unfit to referee on the field as well. They command absolutely no authority and little if any respect because of how useless they are. It's farcical that someone like Martin Atkinson continues to be put forward by the FA as England's top referee. That guy's just a f**king clown.

      The worst thing is, with VAR operated by these clowns you are seeing their thought processes play out as they edit in real time, live in front of millions of viewers as they shift and squint the lines to fit whatever agenda that want to chicken out of (or out of sheer bias perhaps?) or just out of sheer incompetence. It's a complete horror show. Like watching your nan break dancing.

      Can understand the rationale but by creating thicker lines are you not making someone onside who was offside 🤔 Be interesting   to see how it pans out
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      Reply #1199: Jun 11, 2021 12:41:28 pm
      Can understand the rationale but by creating thicker lines are you not making someone onside who was offside 🤔 Be interesting   to see how it pans out

      Basically yes is how I also read it Rossy. Bit like a driving fines whereas if it's between 30/35 they'll let you off.  :lmao:

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