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      lfc across the water
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #1518: Sep 04, 2022 03:40:37 pm
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      VAR, what a joke. I don't care what him across the water says it really should be got rid of.

      Question, how did football manage before VAR ?  Yes, there were mistakes but there are with it complete joke and game killer.

      I await with baited breath

      And without it, we would have lost the derby yesterday. And all that goes with it.

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      Is the experience of watching a game better? This should be the only question relevant to the whole VAR issue. It doesn't.... for numerous reasons all which have been discussed ad infinitum.
      It's a waste of time and it's draining all the spontaneity out of the game.
      It has spoiled the game especially for the supporters at the game.  Admit it isn't fit for purpose and discard it.

      Sorry, not happening. The supporters experience of watching a game is irrelevant. The level of spontaneity involved is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is none of the above in your post, but whether it helps get the correct decision. Spontaneity doesn't come with prize money attached. Results do. And thank god it was able to rescue a result for us yesterday. So it was a lifesaver then, not a waste of time.

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      Problem with Villa goal is that he’d already blown his whistle, get your point though very harsh.

      Not a VAR issue. It shows the consequences when the officials don't let the move play itself out.

      In other news, Michael Oliver became the first EPL ref in 2 years, to go to a VAR screen and not change his decision at Forest v Bournemouth. It will be interesting to see how many more follow his example.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #1519: Sep 04, 2022 03:58:56 pm
      And without it, we would have lost the derby yesterday. And all that goes with it.

      Sorry, not happening. The supporters experience of watching a game is irrelevant. The level of spontaneity involved is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is none of the above in your post, but whether it helps get the correct decision. Spontaneity doesn't come with prize money attached. Results do. And thank god it was able to rescue a result for us yesterday. So it was a lifesaver then, not a waste of time.

      Not a VAR issue. It shows the consequences when the officials don't let the move play itself out.

      In other news, Michael Oliver became the first EPL ref in 2 years, to go to a VAR screen and not change his decision at Forest v Bournemouth. It will be interesting to see how many more follow his example.

      I fully accept VAR is regrettably here to stay. There is no currency in quoting an incident where VAR supports a decision in your/our favour.
      It also gets decisions wrong...which in my opinion renders it pointless. Liverpool will gain from, and lose from VAR judgements...exactly the same as what happened before VAR was conceived. You have a right to defend it all you like, but you might like to dial in your supercilious tone, you are I suggest no greater authority on this issue than anyone else.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #1520: Sep 04, 2022 04:12:34 pm
      Another serious error by VAR yesterday. West Ham score a legitimate goal only to be ruled a foul on keeper.  When does it stop.  :f_doh:




      It stops Keith when the PGMOL stop controlling the system so as they look good,  encourage their members to scratch each other’s back and when we introduce independent adjudication at Stockley Park, until then me old mucker FUCK ALL will change,
      For the 100th Millionth time, ITS NOT THE SYSTEM, it’s the ineptitude of those using it for their own advantage,

      Cricket, Rugby Union, Rugby League, Golf, Tennis, Grid iron, Rounders, F1, Goat Rogering, camel humping 😁 have some form of VAR, and they all work perfectly well, sh*t, it’s even used in the CL and it’s almost never controversial, So why is it then that in the England where all those above sports are played, only in the English Premiership do we have all these controversies, then they wonder why, in the best league on the planet our Refs are substandard, VAR was brought in to help them, yet they taken a perfectly good tool and f***in broke it !!!
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      Reply #1521: Sep 04, 2022 04:17:56 pm
      Can anyone with the exeption of the offside that they cant get wrong, how VAR is applied consistantly in different games the officials ars sh*t. The Villa game linesman put up his flag when the player is onside Villa score goal dissallowed ffs i thought on close calls the linesman keeps his flag down. Utterly useless
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #1522: Sep 04, 2022 04:32:45 pm



      It stops Keith when the PGMOL stop controlling the system so as they look good,  encourage their members to scratch each other’s back and when we introduce independent adjudication at Stockley Park, until then me old mucker FUCK ALL will change,
      For the 100th Millionth time, ITS NOT THE SYSTEM, it’s the ineptitude of those using it for their own advantage,

      Cricket, Rugby Union, Rugby League, Golf, Tennis, Grid iron, Rounders, F1, Goat Rogering, camel humping 😁 have some form of VAR, and they all work perfectly well, sh*t, it’s even used in the CL and it’s almost never controversial, So why is it then that in the England where all those above sports are played, only in the English Premiership do we have all these controversies, then they wonder why, in the best league on the planet our Refs are substandard, VAR was brought in to help them, yet they taken a perfectly good tool and f***in broke it !!!
      You may well be correct in saying it's not the system but the people trusted to implement it, but people are flawed...all of us make mistakes for loads and loads of complex reasons...it's technically called noise, why different people come to different judgements when given the same facts. Doctors...insurance adjusters, even finger print specialist's misjudge the evidence in front of their own eyes. So whilst human judgement is part of the VAR process it can never be 100% reliable, and if it's not 100% reliable then it serves no greater purpose than a single referee.
      The other sports you mention in the main use technology to establish a particular outcome and don't (generally) rely on a human opinion. Cricket is particularly odd, with the "Umpires call" able to bypass the evidence.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #1523: Sep 04, 2022 04:46:25 pm
      VAiR inconcistant yet again
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      Reply #1524: Sep 04, 2022 05:34:10 pm
      And without it, we would have lost the derby yesterday. And all that goes with it.

      Sorry, not happening. The supporters experience of watching a game is irrelevant. The level of spontaneity involved is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is none of the above in your post, but whether it helps get the correct decision. Spontaneity doesn't come with prize money attached. Results do. And thank god it was able to rescue a result for us yesterday. So it was a lifesaver then, not a waste of time.

      Not a VAR issue. It shows the consequences when the officials don't let the move play itself out.

      In other news, Michael Oliver became the first EPL ref in 2 years, to go to a VAR screen and not change his decision at Forest v Bournemouth. It will be interesting to see how many more follow his example.

      What complete toss!
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #1525: Sep 04, 2022 06:26:09 pm
      They’ve accepted that VAR got it wrong this weekend on numerous occasions.

      https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62787324

      Dickhead across the water, where are you now?
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #1526: Sep 05, 2022 01:00:13 pm



      It stops Keith when the PGMOL stop controlling the system so as they look good,  encourage their members to scratch each other’s back and when we introduce independent adjudication at Stockley Park, until then me old mucker FUCK ALL will change,
      For the 100th Millionth time, ITS NOT THE SYSTEM, it’s the ineptitude of those using it for their own advantage,

      Cricket, Rugby Union, Rugby League, Golf, Tennis, Grid iron, Rounders, F1, Goat Rogering, camel humping 😁 have some form of VAR, and they all work perfectly well, sh*t, it’s even used in the CL and it’s almost never controversial, So why is it then that in the England where all those above sports are played, only in the English Premiership do we have all these controversies, then they wonder why, in the best league on the planet our Refs are substandard, VAR was brought in to help them, yet they taken a perfectly good tool and f***in broke it !!!

      Maybe we should put your fellow Red in!! Him across the water never gets it wrong.  :lmao:
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      Reply #1527: Sep 05, 2022 01:03:21 pm
      They’ve accepted that VAR got it wrong this weekend on numerous occasions.

      https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62787324

      Dickhead across the water, where are you now?

       :lmao:  Under a rock maybe  :lmao:
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #1528: Sep 06, 2022 08:23:07 am
      I’ve got some great news for you lads.  ;D

      Our old friend HOWARD WEBB is on his way back.  :lmao:

      You’ll be pleased to hear in 3 months time he’s going to be the first chief refereeing officer.  :lmao:

      Were going to win the league  :lmao: :f_tongueincheek: :P :clap: :cool-smiley-027: :oranje: :champ: :celebrate: :666:
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #1529: Sep 06, 2022 10:10:28 am
      Isnt Webb the Ref who booked someone twice in the WC but didnt send him off ????
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      Reply #1530: Sep 06, 2022 10:22:34 am
      Isnt Webb the Ref who booked someone twice in the WC but didnt send him off ????

      He’s the one who you lot think we get all the decisions when referring our games.  ;D Should be fun listening to the conspiracy stories on here.  :lmao:
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      Reply #1531: Sep 06, 2022 06:05:44 pm
      I’ve got some great news for you lads.  ;D

      Our old friend HOWARD WEBB is on his way back.  :lmao:

      You’ll be pleased to hear in 3 months time he’s going to be the first chief refereeing officer.  :lmao:

      Were going to win the league  :lmao: :f_tongueincheek: :P :clap: :cool-smiley-027: :oranje: :champ: :celebrate: :666:


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      Re: VAR
      Reply #1532: Sep 06, 2022 06:39:47 pm
      I’ve got some great news for you lads.  ;D

      Our old friend HOWARD WEBB is on his way back.  :lmao:

      You’ll be pleased to hear in 3 months time he’s going to be the first chief refereeing officer.  :lmao:

      Were going to win the league  :lmao: :f_tongueincheek: :P :clap: :cool-smiley-027: :oranje: :champ: :celebrate: :666:

      An ex-south yorkshire bizzee too. We're deffo fu**ed.
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      Reply #1533: Sep 06, 2022 07:08:47 pm
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      Reply #1534: Sep 06, 2022 07:09:51 pm
      An ex-south yorkshire bizzee too. We're deffo fu**ed.

      It’s all in your heads  :lmao: So he’s a wool  ;D
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      Reply #1535: Sep 06, 2022 07:16:07 pm
      They’ve accepted that VAR got it wrong this weekend on numerous occasions.

      https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62787324

      Dickhead across the water, where are you now?

      Busy writing to the panel to explain to them how it’s working spot on
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #1536: Sep 07, 2022 08:17:45 am
      Isnt Webb the Ref who booked someone twice in the WC but didnt send him off ????

      He referred the 2010 final. That was a difficult game to referee, Holland appeared to have a game plan of kicking the Spain team as much as possible and Webb clearly wanted to avoid giving red cards.

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      Re: VAR
      Reply #1537: Sep 07, 2022 06:20:21 pm
      Quote from Longy-Shops
      I fully accept VAR is regrettably here to stay. There is no currency in quoting an incident where VAR supports a decision in your/our favour.
      It also gets decisions wrong...which in my opinion renders it pointless. Liverpool will gain from, and lose from VAR judgements...exactly the same as what happened before VAR was conceived.

      No it's not exactly the same. Before VAR, the decision that cost us was often the wrong one.

      This is the 4th league season we've had it, and the 6th year in some form. You can cry about how it should be discarded as long as you want, but it's not going to be, so forget it. Equally, I can also use the cases where justice was done between us getting a result and not, such as the weekend, or the Charity Shield, as to why it's necessary.

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      You may well be correct in saying it's not the system but the people trusted to implement it, but people are flawed...all of us make mistakes for loads and loads of complex reasons...it's technically called noise, why different people come to different judgements when given the same facts. Doctors...insurance adjusters, even finger print specialist's misjudge the evidence in front of their own eyes. So whilst human judgement is part of the VAR process it can never be 100% reliable, and if it's not 100% reliable then it serves no greater purpose than a single referee.

      What you're demanding is either absolute perfection or get rid, when you know neither will happen. It's there to cut down on howlers, and that you don't score a goal to win a game when you're 5 yards offside. So if you're onside or offside, then the technology is there to prove it. There's no discussion to be had. Tonight, we have our first experience of the semi-automated offside system, so hopefully it won't take 2 minutes to make an offside decision as it did at the weekend, but if it does it does. It may not get absolutely every single decision spot on, but it's still better than the alternative that exists in my own national league, where we don't even have GLT available, let alone VAR.

      For 4 years, I've read post after post here baying that we get to play Real Madrid in the European Cup, so that everyone can let Sergio Ramos what they think of him, in a language he doesn't understand. It doesn't seem to make any difference that he doesn't actually play for Real anymore. But if we had VAR that night in Kiev, justice would have been done on the spot, and things may have turned out differently.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #1538: Sep 08, 2022 05:55:04 pm
      It’s all in your heads  :lmao: So he’s a wool  ;D

      No he's a horrible SYP tw*t.
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      Reply #1539: Sep 08, 2022 09:18:36 pm
      Oh my god, never a penalty  :f_doh:
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #1540: Sep 08, 2022 09:19:27 pm
      VAR get something right  :f_tongueincheek:  :f_tongueincheek:

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