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      Keith Singleton
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #1541: Sep 08, 2022 09:21:06 pm
      Quote from tezmac link=topic=50157.msg2500059#msg2500059  date=1662668367
      VAR get something right  :f_tongueincheek:  :f_tongueincheek:

      In all seriousness you know it isn’t hence the  :f_tongueincheek:  :D But they get it wrong so many times now, unreal  :f_doh:

      The VAR official and ref both come from Liverpool  :f_whistle:
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #1542: Sep 08, 2022 09:50:26 pm
      There in is the perfect example of why VAR should be binned, one game it’s given the next not shocking
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      Reply #1543: Sep 08, 2022 10:01:14 pm
      There in is the perfect example of why VAR should be binned, one game it’s given the next not shocking

      It’s just never ending is it. Glad it wasn’t in the CL I’d of been well pissed off.  ;D That daft can’t across the water said it was a penalty all day.   :lmao:
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #1544: Sep 14, 2022 09:21:48 pm
      What the f**k has just gone on at Rangers reffing is woeful VAR is worse
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #1545: Sep 28, 2022 11:50:31 pm
      Ireland v Armenia last night. The first time a ref went to a monitor to review a VAR call, in the history of the nation.

      If that isn't remarkable enough for people, fair enough. But it's interesting to note that with the 3 screens at the home team's stadium, the crowd saw the review on them while the ref was at the monitor, which is what it should be, rather than fans kept in the dark at EPL and other stadiums until after the decision is made.

      Of course we don't have one screen at our place, which doesn't help matters for fans during VAR reviews. But maybe we can finally have one when the new stand is opened. We really need one these days, if anything just to keep up with almost every other stadium in the league, and every other big stadium in world football.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #1546: Sep 29, 2022 09:36:04 am
      VAR is administrators interfering with the game that they just dont understand we need better Referees no more Tech. In the England game the Ref missed clear penalties right in front of him just yards away they have stopped refereeing and are relying on Var to correct their mistakes its killing the games spontaneity for fans.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #1547: Oct 02, 2022 02:43:13 pm
      Apart from VAR's number one fan, majority of the footballing support can't be arsed with it.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #1548: Oct 09, 2022 10:12:45 pm
      another Red Letter day for VAR today no penalty given  for a blatant handball with a hand way out of a natural position
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      Reply #1549: Oct 10, 2022 06:11:34 am
      Quote from waltonl4 link=topic=50157.msg2505730 # :msg2505730 date=1665349965
      another Red Letter day for VAR today no penalty given  for a blatant handball with a hand way out of a natural position

      Yet ball to had which we all know wasn’t deliberate given.  :f_doh: I know the book says it’s handball but it a rule most of us disagree unless your him across the fcuking pond  :lmao:
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #1550: Oct 10, 2022 07:39:07 am
      If Oliver had given us a pen and waved Arsenals away VAR wouldnt have got involved either.

      The bar they set is stupidly high and puts too much weight on what the refs original guess was.

      Football either needs to embrace tech or f**k it off. You could see the blokes arm in the unnatural silhouette IFAB talks about and you can you could see the faintest touch on Jesus followed by a delayed fall to the ground with added theatrics.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #1551: Oct 10, 2022 09:12:07 am
      Let's face a few facts here. Football as we know it now is broken.
      VAR is a complete mess.
      UEFA are corrupt.
      FIFA are corrupt ( Don't get me started on this year's World Cup)
      The fair play system is a complete joke.
      Player transfers are getting stupid.
      Players wages are going nuts.
      The FA are allowing people to buy clubs that have no right to, so I am putting the FA in the corrupt column as well.
      All in all it is a complete cluster f**k.

      After saying all of that has anyone got any ideas how to sort it all out, or is it so broken it is beyond repair ?  :mad:
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      Reply #1552: Oct 10, 2022 11:58:54 am
      If Oliver had given us a pen and waved Arsenals away VAR wouldnt have got involved either.

      The bar they set is stupidly high and puts too much weight on what the refs original guess was.

      Football either needs to embrace tech or f**k it off. You could see the blokes arm in the unnatural silhouette IFAB talks about and you can you could see the faintest touch on Jesus followed by a delayed fall to the ground with added theatrics.

      Let's face a few facts here. Football as we know it now is broken.
      VAR is a complete mess.
      UEFA are corrupt.
      FIFA are corrupt ( Don't get me started on this year's World Cup)
      The fair play system is a complete joke.
      Player transfers are getting stupid.
      Players wages are going nuts.
      The FA are allowing people to buy clubs that have no right to, so I am putting the FA in the corrupt column as well.
      All in all it is a complete cluster f**k.

      After saying all of that has anyone got any ideas how to sort it all out, or is it so broken it is beyond repair ?  :mad:
      Totally agree with both of you but sad as it is it’s here to stay.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #1553: Oct 12, 2022 05:02:25 pm
      I see the first Arsenal goal looked offside but ( shock horror) VAR weren’t able to check it due to a technical fault, useless bent fuckers
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      Reply #1554: Oct 12, 2022 11:34:53 pm
      I see the first Arsenal goal looked offside but ( shock horror) VAR weren’t able to check it due to a technical fault, useless bent fuckers

      Yeah, read some sh*t like that too. Something about Sakha not being able to be seen in the picture at the time the ball was kicked. Ummm is this not the Greatest League in the World? Do we not have like a Bizillion cameras watching everything they do? How is this possible?
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      Reply #1555: Oct 13, 2022 10:01:55 am
      I see the first Arsenal goal looked offside but ( shock horror) VAR weren’t able to check it due to a technical fault, useless bent fuckers

      I said it at the time not sure why they didnt check it. Sunday on reflection was affected massively by poor decisions so not such a big gap after all in quality
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      Reply #1556: Oct 13, 2022 01:04:08 pm
      I see the first Arsenal goal looked offside but ( shock horror) VAR weren’t able to check it due to a technical fault, useless bent fuckers

      Ask under the water he’ll know.  :lmao:
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      Reply #1557: Oct 13, 2022 07:00:57 pm
      Yeah, read some sh*t like that too. Something about Sakha not being able to be seen in the picture at the time the ball was kicked. Ummm is this not the Greatest League in the World? Do we not have like a Bizillion cameras watching everything they do? How is this possible?

      Greatest league..........my f**king arse.

      You just knew VAR would be a joke being run by the same incompetent tw*ts currently reffing the game.
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      Reply #1558: Oct 14, 2022 11:00:02 am
      So if we get our penalty they are denied there's and the goal gets knocked off for offside we win 3-1 I'll take that.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #1559: Oct 15, 2022 09:50:01 pm
      Quote from __Tickle__
      If Oliver had given us a pen and waved Arsenals away VAR wouldnt have got involved either.

      The bar they set is stupidly high and puts too much weight on what the refs original guess was.

      Football either needs to embrace tech or f**k it off.

      Do you know what the phrase "it can't happen" means? Does anyone?

      The ref on the pitch is in charge, not the VAR. The VAR has as much power in the game as a linesman. The only power he has for subjective decisions, is to recommend an on field review, that is it. He's there to assist the ref on the field, not re ref the game for him.

      The ref saw the contact by Thiago and made his decision. The only way it's going to be reviewed/overturned is if there's no contact at all, but sadly there was so the VAR is not going to step in, and we'll just have to take it.

      Four years ago we didn't have VAR, and we were robbed of a win there by a perfectly good goal ruled out for a fictitious offside, and we fell 1 point short of winning the league at the end of the season. So I would rather have the system we have now and have benefitted from, in 3 of our last 5 games.
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      Reply #1560: Oct 15, 2022 11:07:25 pm
      Do you know what the phrase "it can't happen" means? Does anyone?

      The ref on the pitch is in charge, not the VAR. The VAR has as much power in the game as a linesman. The only power he has for subjective decisions, is to recommend an on field review, that is it. He's there to assist the ref on the field, not re ref the game for him.

      The ref saw the contact by Thiago and made his decision. The only way it's going to be reviewed/overturned is if there's no contact at all, but sadly there was so the VAR is not going to step in, and we'll just have to take it.

      Four years ago we didn't have VAR, and we were robbed of a win there by a perfectly good goal ruled out for a fictitious offside, and we fell 1 point short of winning the league at the end of the season. So I would rather have the system we have now and have benefitted from, in 3 of our last 5 games.
      Do you know the phrase "Anchoring bias psychology affects decision making"  An anchoring bias is a faulty heuristic which occurs in decision making.
      People (in this case VAR officials) make inaccurate final estimates (judgements) due to unconsciously applying greater value to the initial/earlier, or original judgement. Basically it's a natural function of the brain (The primacy effect) that we rely too heavily on pre-existing information (in this example the ref's initial call is the anchor) The reasons why we adopt these heuristics is both complicated and simple. A subjective decision is determined by multiple factors, referred to scientifically as noise.
      Since VAR operators are human, these unconscious bias decisions will continue as all humans are subject to noise.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #1561: Oct 16, 2022 10:52:24 am
      Do you know the phrase "Anchoring bias psychology affects decision making"  An anchoring bias is a faulty heuristic which occurs in decision making.
      People (in this case VAR officials) make inaccurate final estimates (judgements) due to unconsciously applying greater value to the initial/earlier, or original judgement. Basically it's a natural function of the brain (The primacy effect) that we rely too heavily on pre-existing information (in this example the ref's initial call is the anchor) The reasons why we adopt these heuristics is both complicated and simple. A subjective decision is determined by multiple factors, referred to scientifically as noise.
      Since VAR operators are human, these unconscious bias decisions will continue as all humans are subject to noise.
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      your far too polite he is an idiot.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #1562: Oct 16, 2022 01:43:44 pm
      Do you know what the phrase "it can't happen" means? Does anyone?

      The ref on the pitch is in charge, not the VAR. The VAR has as much power in the game as a linesman. The only power he has for subjective decisions, is to recommend an on field review, that is it. He's there to assist the ref on the field, not re ref the game for him.

      The ref saw the contact by Thiago and made his decision. The only way it's going to be reviewed/overturned is if there's no contact at all, but sadly there was so the VAR is not going to step in, and we'll just have to take it.

      Four years ago we didn't have VAR, and we were robbed of a win there by a perfectly good goal ruled out for a fictitious offside, and we fell 1 point short of winning the league at the end of the season. So I would rather have the system we have now and have benefitted from, in 3 of our last 5 games.

      We've got VAR now divvy and still getting robbed of decisions and you're permanent defence of it especially after the Arsenal decisions is nothing but pathetic.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #1563: Oct 16, 2022 04:01:46 pm
      your far too polite he is an idiot.
      He is...and I am

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