VAR

I have a theory the Refs have a bald headed association they look the same and are all thick as pig sh*t

What does the FA have to do with the current issues ?

Who employs the match officials?

Who employs the match officials?

The Premier League and PGMOL

Who employs the match officials?

as David Coleman used to say "one nil !!!!!!!!"

If there is “bias” against then there will be clear evidence

That's actually not necessarily true. If there was clear evidence the impetus would be on the league to rectify the situation otherwise the issue would be laid bare for all to see. That's the point of investigating whether or not there is more to it than just supposition by certain folks that there is bias.

Tierney is just a very bad ref , he has been shocking in many games when we haven’t been involved

Is this your own opinion or do you have evidence to back this up?

It’s statements like “it keeps happening to us”

It doesn’t happen to us anymore than the next team

Again, this isn't necessarily true just because you claim it to be. I quoted an article written by Tomkins awhile back, yes he's biased as a fan, but the data he presented is objective and it shows that our team is actually officiated differently than most other teams, especially teams like City.

Multiple clubs will say the same thing when they have decisions go against them - just like West Ham did this weekend or Arsenal or City


Even with Tierney there will be issues with other clubs

Again, you can say this but it doesn't make it true or relevant to the issue at hand which is, Liverpool has been getting sh*t decisions as of late.

as David Coleman used to say "one nil !!!!!!!!"

Oh dear

That's actually not necessarily true. If there was clear evidence the impetus would be on the league to rectify the situation otherwise the issue would be laid bare for all to see. That's the point of investigating whether or not there is more to it than just supposition by certain folks that there is bias.
 Is this your own opinion or do you have evidence to back this up?
 Again, this isn't necessarily true just because you claim it to be. I quoted an article written by Tomkins awhile back, yes he's biased as a fan, but the data he presented is objective and it shows that our team is actually officiated differently than most other teams, especially teams like City.

Again, you can say this but it doesn't make it true or relevant to the issue at hand which is, Liverpool has been getting sh*t decisions as of late.

As always when making claims of bias then would expect there to be some level of evidence to provide the proof

How many “investigations” have there been into referee bias with the Prem league

If we are getting more bad decisions than anyone again there will statistical proof to provide the basis of fact

Even Klopp said that Tierney isn’t bias

As an example - Tierney has shown Arsenal more cards per game than he has compared to all the other teams

Even Tomkins article was full of fluff and lacking any substance

It’s pretty childish tbh to be shouting bias and corruption when we have decisions that go against us - if you ever conversed with fans of other teams you will hear them all cry bias


Bias toward the top 6

Bias towards Liverpool
Bias towards city , Arsenal etc

Bias towards the southern teams
Bias towards the northern teams

All depending on who you are speaking to

As always when making claims of bias then would expect there to be some level of evidence to provide the proof

How many “investigations” have there been into referee bias with the Prem league

If we are getting more bad decisions than anyone again there will statistical proof to provide the basis of fact

Even Klopp said that Tierney isn’t bias

As an example - Tierney has shown Arsenal more cards per game than he has compared to all the other teams

Even Tomkins article was full of fluff and lacking any substance

It’s pretty childish tbh to be shouting bias and corruption when we have decisions that go against us - if you ever conversed with fans of other teams you will hear them all cry bias


Bias toward the top 6

Bias towards Liverpool
Bias towards city , Arsenal etc

Bias towards the southern teams
Bias towards the northern teams

All depending on who you are speaking to

Tomkins article wasn't "full of fluff". That tells me you didn't read it. So we're done here. Good day.

Tomkins article wasn't "full of fluff". That tells me you didn't read it. So we're done here. Good day.

So that’s your only evidence? A substack from Tomkins that was mainly talking about Tierney and a linesman’s being close

Him not giving us many penalties ( think he said we had two shouts ) , only won 47% of the games he was in charge off since a Villa yet before it was around 90%- which of course ignores the fact it was during a season when we were playing bad

Using such stat that shows a team doesn’t win when ref a controls the game doesn’t actually show much unless the games the club didn’t win are down to the referee - how many of the games that we have lost with Tierney as the ref was down to a referee decision- if it’s none then it’s an usual stat

And he kept just using “odd” as opposed to anything of any depth , think he even at one point brought up baldness

So yes the article was full of the normal Tomkins fluff

Who employs the match officials?

Football officialdom whatever.

Football officialdom whatever.

Interesting article from a couple years back


https://www.givemesport.com/1554018-every-premier-league-referee-and-the-teams-they-penalise-the-most-statistically/

I get most VAR calls wrong now Ian. I’d of given him a card for that. Handball calls are near impossible to call now. 🤷‍♂️

Mate the Officials can't even get it right...don't be too hard on yourself for that.

Other things, like being a Manc, yes be hard on yourself!!! 

Kunt

Mate the Officials can't even get it right...don't be too hard on yourself for that.

Other things, like being a Manc, yes be hard on yourself!!! 

Kunt 

And so? That means nothing. It's a bogus list.

These are straight forward decisions e.g. offside

I'm talking subjective nonsense where the officials can abuse their position and favour who they want.

Every time evidence is provided why VAR is needed, it's dismissed. Biased photos and bogus lists. Whatever next?

All those straight forward decisions count as much as the subjective decisions at the end of the season. Without VAR, those offside calls "for" us would have stood, and we probably wouldn't even be in Europe now.

We have the technology available now and it is being used. I want to see justice done on the spot. Losing the derby is bad enough any day of the week, but losing it over a wrong offside call just to keep traditionalists happy, is totally unacceptable to me.

Every time evidence is provided why VAR is needed, it's dismissed. Biased photos and bogus lists. Whatever next?

All those straight forward decisions count as much as the subjective decisions at the end of the season. Without VAR, those offside calls "for" us would have stood, and we probably wouldn't even be in Europe now.

We have the technology available now and it is being used. I want to see justice done on the spot. Losing the derby is bad enough any day of the week, but losing it over a wrong offside call just to keep traditionalists happy, is totally unacceptable to me.

Losing a game that could have easily been a draw due to a F**k up by the clowns who operate VAR is totally unacceptable to me.

The fact you want to rim Howard Webb and his usesless F***ing protocols, speaks F***ing volumes.

Give me the traditionalists rather the people like you trying to destroy the game and want to make distinctions between the different levels of the game. That's not the benefit for all, when lower levels of the game don't use VAR.

I'd rather lose the Derby over some shitty offside decision rather than some stale VAR decided goal.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67133660

The FA have decided to reinstate the visually impaired officials who took part in the debacle at the Spurs v LFC game, Darren England will be the fourth official at the Brentford v Burnley game and Daniel Cook will officiate the Sheffield home game with Man U.

No doubt those games will go off with no decision issues whatsoever.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67133660

The FA have decided to reinstate the visually impaired officials who took part in the debacle at the Spurs v LFC game, Darren England will be the fourth official at the Brentford v Burnley game and Daniel Cook will officiate the Sheffield home game with Man U.

No doubt those games will go off with no decision issues whatsoever.

So all is forgotten and were all friends now........untill the next time.

So all is forgotten and were all friends now........untill the next time.

They should be made to take the refereeing qualification course again starting with the shape of the ball and the colour of the grass with the appropriate spectacles of course.
The fact that they have been judged able to officiate a top game again is really unbelievable.

They should be made to take the refereeing qualification course again starting with the shape of the ball and the colour of the grass with the appropriate spectacles of course.
The fact that they have been judged able to officiate a top game again is really unbelievable.

Yep, sitting on the Naughty step during a international break hardly warrants any punishment at all, in fact, the only game they were withdrawn from were the last league fixtures prior to the aforementioned international break, so nothing more than a slap on the wrist, meanwhile we’ve been left hanging with a possible two point minimum deficit from their ineptitude given that a draw would have been a fairer outcome, and could still possibly cost us the title, I don’t usually cast ill will on my fellow Homo sapiens but I’m hoping that both of their next Shits are pineapples !!

KUNTS

the only game they were withdrawn from were the last league fixtures prior to the aforementioned international break, so nothing more than a slap on the wrist, meanwhile we’ve been left hanging with a possible two point minimum deficit from their ineptitude given that a draw would have been a fairer outcome, and could still possibly cost us the title, I don’t usually cast ill will on my fellow Homo sapiens but I’m hoping that both of their next Shits are pineapples !!

KUNTS

With the sharp bits intact!

Losing a game that could have easily been a draw due to a F**k up by the clowns who operate VAR is totally unacceptable to me.

Give me the traditionalists rather the people like you trying to destroy the game and want to make distinctions between the different levels of the game. That's not the benefit for all, when lower levels of the game don't use VAR.

I'd rather lose the Derby over some shitty offside decision rather than some stale VAR decided goal.

No you would not. You're still fuming over the  offside decision at Spurs.

The last manager that lost an away derby is still reminded of it, all these years later. Our unbeaten record there since then is still intact, thanks mainly to VAR available last season.

There have been different levels of the game since time began. I wish lower level leagues did use VAR but unfortunately they won't, so they have to put up with the consequences until they see the benefits and bring it in.

The VAR at Spurs didn't raise his flag. The VAR didn't blow his whistle to disallow the goal. The VAR didn't restart the game either. Unfortunately he said the right thing at the wrong time, so the clear and obvious error by the officials on the pitch stood, but he got the blame for it. Already, steps have been put in place to prevent it happening again.

In any case, we were already a man down at the time. So even if it was given, it would have taken one hell of a job to hold onto the lead.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67133660

The FA have decided to reinstate the visually impaired officials who took part in the debacle at the Spurs v LFC game, Darren England will be the fourth official at the Brentford v Burnley game and Daniel Cook will officiate the Sheffield home game with Man U.

No doubt those games will go off with no decision issues whatsoever.

Probably won't tbh. With a minimum of 6 match officials required to oversee every EPL game in some form, there simply isn't enough officials around to ban people for long periods of time, because one of them once said the right thing at the wrong time.

As for Cook and English, they served their bans and now they return to action, just like a player or manager would.

No you would not. You're still fuming over the  offside decision at Spurs.

The last manager that lost an away derby is still reminded of it, all these years later. Our unbeaten record there since then is still intact, thanks mainly to VAR available last season.

You really do have an arrogant opinion of yourself. I'm the same as Klopp I'm over it. Bit then again I don't hold Howard Webb up as some type of hero.

Everton broke the record under Ancelotti

I hope the crowd go f***in mental at every decision that goes against us