VAR

1, why are you not allowing Refs to be miked up ?
2, why can’t we hear the conversations between the VAR and the onfield referee ?
3, why isn’t there footage showing the incident on the big screens at stadiums ?
4, why only show the incident in slo mo, and not the whole incident in its entirety in real time ?
5, why can’t we use other Referees from other European nations leagues as in the CL ?
6, why can’t we have ex-players in a advisory role sat next to the VAR, someone with actual experience?

All of those questions need answers, if the PGMOL can’t or won’t come up with the answers then they as I expect are not fit for purpose, Howard Webb’s Plebs are killing our game, it’s clear & obvious to me that they have far too much influence on the VAR, the VAR operators are only there to operate their system,their systems work, as we’ve seen in other sports, except in the EPL where in their wee box at Stockley Park, somewhere in Milton Keynes the PGMOL will have a mate of the on field Ref influencing/bullying the VAR and to cover their own mistakes and dictating what the outcome is and not what it should be ??
YNWA

The questions you ask mate or rather the solution is take the final word on game decisions away from match officials who are either biased or visually impaired and as you Imply put the onus on qualified, unbiased individuals who react responsibly in tandem with filmed events by way of VAR.

To be more precise the camera does not lie and should be given priority  over visual interpretation of events.

Didn’t see the Rashford incident so can’t comment, there’s confusion all around VAR on whether it’s now fit for purpose if indeed if it ever was, I think if it’s run correctly without outside interference (PGMOL) cough cough, I think it will be good for the game, the problem is, that the system used is meddled by the PGMOL, VAR itself or its operators are NOT the issue here, Sick of sayings this……

TMO…television match official..used in both codes of Rugby have it absolutely spot on, in Cricket, again it works perfectly well, as it does in Tennis, in Yank football, in Baseball (Rounders) the same, that’s Six major world sports that use a VAR/TMO and it works almost perfectly,…..

…referring back to Rugby….they have the on field referee miked up, we can all hear the conversations between the TMO & the Ref, there’s a big screen showing the incident concerned, and shows exactly what has happened in real time and in slo mo, everyone in the stadium knows what’s happening and everyone in the stadium involved,

In Cricket….again the incident, whether it’s a run out, lbw, a nick off the bat, a catch close to the ground, whatever…it’s scrutinised to come up with the right decision and the umpires although themselves inaudible, you can hear the TMO and camera operative workers together….

So why the F**k doesn’t it work in football…..correction…..why doesn’t it work in the EPL ??…..It does work in football, it worked well in the World Cup, it worked well in Europe not only for the CL but Europa league and internationally too….so again….WHY DO WE HAVE SO MANY CONTENTIOUS ISSUES IN THE EPL, Every week, even midweek…..WHY……the PGMOL !!


I want someone official asking these questions to the PGMOL……

1, why are you not allowing Refs to be miked up ?
2, why can’t we hear the conversations between the VAR and the onfield referee ?
3, why isn’t there footage showing the incident on the big screens at stadiums ?
4, why only show the incident in slo mo, and not the whole incident in its entirety in real time ?
5, why can’t we use other Referees from other European nations leagues as in the CL ?
6, why can’t we have ex-players in a advisory role sat next to the VAR, someone with actual experience?


All of those questions need answers, if the PGMOL can’t or won’t come up with the answers then they as I expect are not fit for purpose, Howard Webb’s Plebs are killing our game, it’s clear & obvious to me that they have far too much influence on the VAR, the VAR operators are only there to operate their system,their systems work, as we’ve seen in other sports, except in the EPL where in their wee box at Stockley Park, somewhere in Milton Keynes the PGMOL will have a mate of the on field Ref influencing/bullying the VAR and to cover their own mistakes and dictating what the outcome is and not what it should be ??


YNWA

Here's my stab at some possible answers.

1. I'm guessing it's because there's so much swearing by the players, between themselves and the officials.
2. No good reason to not hear it...At Rugby is that audio heard at the stadium, or just TV?...in a packed football ground I would imagine it would be quite hard to hear it. Of course hearing it makes no difference in the end to the decision being made...therefore Instead of just seeing a good/bad decision, you would now have it complimented by hearing a good/bad decision....in other words it's not a better decision just because you can hear the justification for it.
3. Not all clubs (ie Liverpool) have big screens....and again the crowd seeing it again serves no purpose, it would just make people angry if a marginal call goes against you.... therefore potential unwarranted abuse of the officials.
4. it's possible to be more analytical in slow mo. That's why crash investigators look at incidents in slow mo.
5. Language and cost. plus it suggests our home grown refs are not good enough....which is arguably true, but if they don't ref...then how can they get any better?
6. All ex players would have too much bias. ie imagine a scenario where an ex Liverpool player passes judgement on an Arsenal game...that player might remember (subconsciously) getting injured against them....or beaten by a last minute goal which cost us the league.
Basically all ex players have good and bad memories of teams.

VAR sh*te again at Chelsea

VAR sh*te again at Chelsea

Ridiculous, they didn't even look at the first phase of play on those checks, sick of them just looking at the final image.

Passion!!!

https://twitter.com/HLTCO/status/1724433290491228500?t=J94qB-OQaNZngJ3W2AMIQw&s=19

Passion!!!

https://twitter.com/HLTCO/status/1724433290491228500?t=J94qB-OQaNZngJ3W2AMIQw&s=19

🤣🤣 felt like that a few times worst thing that’s ever happened to football

Across the water must be compiling one hell of a dossier this time to explain to us why it’s working got to be six paragraphs deep by now .

Across the water must be compiling one hell of a dossier this time to explain to us why it’s working got to be six paragraphs deep by now .

Maybe he's given it up as a bad job.   

Passion!!!

https://twitter.com/HLTCO/status/1724433290491228500?t=J94qB-OQaNZngJ3W2AMIQw&s=19

Hahaha that'll be Klopp when he finally snaps, chins Tierney and heads for Stockley Park

Funny them South Americans though

https://twitter.com/Ibibabs/status/1722021054816674187?t=WEg5Pmc4mcizQEYlhIaxlA&s=19

https://twitter.com/StretfordPaddck/status/1724507877287567777?t=V6QB-w1yTweqjg3A3LHtlA&s=19

Oh my, what a complete and utter shambolic system.

When things were better, slightly off topic but could you imagine this now if the Ref let this go?

https://twitter.com/Davolaar/status/1724913707380052401?t=AMdudhsyWiQgyPKjIREEEQ&s=19

Across the water must be compiling one hell of a dossier this time to explain to us why it’s working got to be six paragraphs deep by now .

He can't get out of Stockley Park I reckon. Need a laugh today so wish he would hurry up.

Everyone has had enough of var. It's ruined any enjoyment that was left in the game.

Whether you've had more than enough of VAR or not, you're only going to get more of it rather than less. So it's your choice whether you're willing to put up with that or not. Everyone else has to, including Iago Aspas.

Thing is Ian I think most fans are not only confused but fed up that after every game ( especially recently ) we’re not talking about football anymore which is all very very sad.

It’s VAR all the time, 99% of us know it’s ruined the game we all love. There’s so many contentious decisions with so many permutations which then become subjective to the individual I really don’t know what/how to think anymore  when an incident happens.

In my opinion.
You lads were robbed against Spurs
Arsenal were robbed of a penalty against Newcastle.
Rashford sent off when there was no intent. Granted when you look at freeze frame it’s a red card with the forensic VAR team. However, you could clearly see he stuck his leg out to block him getting the ball, it’s unfortunate the opponent foot got in the way. As is the norm with VAR they purposely make sure the ref  see the freeze frame ( which looks bad ) first. Rashford is not known for being a dirty player. In real team most of us know that’s never given. Common sense long gone now.

Just fed up after every match these days be it us or you lot we’re only talking about VAR. 🤦‍♂️

If you don't want to talk about VAR, talk about something else. But as you would rather talk about VAR in a VAR thread, then we'll talk about VAR instead.

That challenge is a dangerous leg breaker, and an automatic red card. You will not get away with that in Europe, and he didn't. He'll have plenty of time to learn from it, because that's his European Cup campaign for this year, and the next, in the bin.

The VAR got it right, and should be commended for getting it right, rather than whinging that it's (not) ruining the game.

GET THIS OUT OF THIS GAME! ALL THROUGHTOUT EUROPE IT'S TRASH!

Howl all you want, it won't make any difference. It's part of the game now, so like it or not, you just have to put up with it. It ain't changing.

I'm quite confident that by the time this group finishes, having VAR available to help us win the derby at home will be far more important to where we stand this season, than it's use in a dead rubber game in Toulouse.

"I DONT BELIEVE IT"!!". But I'm back to dealing with the Victor Meldrew crowd again.

the second law of thermodynamics, all systems will tend to progress in the direction of increasing entropy.

The forensic team are out to do anything to upset the true meaning of football.

......... "WHAT THE BLOODY HELL IS THAT SUPPOSED TO MEAN? " .......

Every week they make more and more mistakes, even having to ask the refs to go to screens to make offside decisions, woefully poor referring

The ref has every right to see every decision made for himself, even offside calls. He doesn't have to settle for one look anymore. In the case of subjective offside calls, it doesn't happen every week, the same referee was called to the monitor in our game v Villa to judge a similar case, a full 6 months ago.

Good to see the "subconscious bias" the big clubs enjoy, (that does not exist) didn't apply to the latest decision to rule out a manc goal for offside. Or even the decision to dismiss the manc who almost snapped a Copenhagen man's leg in two.

Apparantly, there were complaints that the offside took 4 minutes to confirm. But that is not quite on a par with one recent Ukrainian league game that took 286 minutes to complete. One VAR call alone took an hour to announce, only because of the environment rather than the equipment. Of course there was no boos chants or whistles, because every game there is played behind closed doors, for clear and obvious reasons. Compared to that, waiting 4 minutes is nothing to complain about. Regardless of how long it takes, justice is timeless.

Well that took a while must be running out of sh*t to write not even worth reading anymore .

Well that took a while must be running out of sh*t to write not even worth reading anymore .

He’s later than normal with his weekly visit.  It’s got to the stage I don’t even read his sh*te anymore. 🤦‍♂️

Well that took a while must be not even worth reading anymore .

It’s got to the stage I don’t even read his anymore. 🤦‍♂️

Next EPL match(es).......

"I don't understand this"
"I can't understand that"
"I haven't a clue anymore"

Surprise surprise.

Next EPL match(es).......

"I don't understand this"
"I can't understand that"
"I haven't a clue anymore"

Surprise surprise.

Don’t try and come over as some smart arse c**t , we all know how it’s supposed to work , fact is it’s not it’s fckin up the game most of us grew up with .

VAR: Premier League referees helped by pilots and air traffic controllers

Pilots and air traffic controllers have been helping England's top referees.

It is part of Howard Webb's drive, as head of refereeing, to improve standards around the Video Assistant Referee (VAR) system.

Two pilots spoke at a Professional Game Match Officials Ltd (PGMOL) training camp last month.

They offered their insight into the best method of communication in a stressful situation where multiple voices are having an input.

A previous visit last year from air traffic control staff, prior to Webb taking on his role at PGMOL in December 2022, was arranged for the same reason.

Webb has been on the back foot following a number of VAR controversies this season.

On the opening weekend of the Premier League campaign, he had to apologise to Wolves manager Gary O'Neil after Manchester United goalkeeper Andre Onana was not punished for punching striker Sasa Kalajdzic in the face in stoppage time.

Wolves lost the game 1-0.

Then Liverpool were denied a goal at Tottenham in farcical circumstances on 30 September when VAR Darren England thought he had confirmed a Luis Diaz goal but was actually endorsing an incorrect on-field offside decision against the Reds forward. Spurs won the game 2-1.

Meanwhile, Arsenal boss Mikel Arteta is facing an FA charge after calling the decision to award Newcastle a goal in their match at St James' Park on 4 November "a disgrace".

In Arteta's view, VAR ignored three incidents in the build-up all of which would have seen Anthony Gordon's effort disallowed.

The following day Arsenal released a statement in defence of Arteta.

Webb subsequently said on the internationally-broadcast Premier League Match Officials Mic'd Up programme he believed the decision to allow the goal had been correct.

In last month's meeting, as reported by The Times, it was outlined that pilots have communication with numerous people before take-off and often have to speak to operators for whom English is not their first language.

The need for clarity and accuracy was stressed.

Although match referees do not hear the conversations in the VAR hub, there can often be three voices talking at the same time, with the VAR periodically communicating with the referee to let him know what is happening.

In the aftermath of the Diaz incident, Webb introduced new communication protocols, which included confirmation over what the VAR was confirming.

Meanwhile, it is understood Webb has also reminded referees of the need to take action against players waving imaginary cards after what appeared to be a lessening of the hard-line approach used at the start of the season.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67517181

The highest single problem with var for me , is it really that difficult to get the big Calls right because for me it shouldn’t be , the trouble with it is you have the same inept bunch overseeing var that you have reffing the games hence their making a right pigs ear out of it .

VAR: Premier League referees helped by pilots and air traffic controllers

Pilots and air traffic controllers have been helping England's top referees.

It is part of Howard Webb's drive, as head of refereeing, to improve standards around the Video Assistant Referee (VAR) system.

Two pilots spoke at a Professional Game Match Officials Ltd (PGMOL) training camp last month.

They offered their insight into the best method of communication in a stressful situation where multiple voices are having an input.

A previous visit last year from air traffic control staff, prior to Webb taking on his role at PGMOL in December 2022, was arranged for the same reason.

Webb has been on the back foot following a number of VAR controversies this season.

On the opening weekend of the Premier League campaign, he had to apologise to Wolves manager Gary O'Neil after Manchester United goalkeeper Andre Onana was not punished for punching striker Sasa Kalajdzic in the face in stoppage time.

Wolves lost the game 1-0.

Then Liverpool were denied a goal at Tottenham in farcical circumstances on 30 September when VAR Darren England thought he had confirmed a Luis Diaz goal but was actually endorsing an incorrect on-field offside decision against the Reds forward. Spurs won the game 2-1.

Meanwhile, Arsenal boss Mikel Arteta is facing an FA charge after calling the decision to award Newcastle a goal in their match at St James' Park on 4 November "a disgrace".

In Arteta's view, VAR ignored three incidents in the build-up all of which would have seen Anthony Gordon's effort disallowed.

The following day Arsenal released a statement in defence of Arteta.

Webb subsequently said on the internationally-broadcast Premier League Match Officials Mic'd Up programme he believed the decision to allow the goal had been correct.

In last month's meeting, as reported by The Times, it was outlined that pilots have communication with numerous people before take-off and often have to speak to operators for whom English is not their first language.

The need for clarity and accuracy was stressed.

Although match referees do not hear the conversations in the VAR hub, there can often be three voices talking at the same time, with the VAR periodically communicating with the referee to let him know what is happening.

In the aftermath of the Diaz incident, Webb introduced new communication protocols, which included confirmation over what the VAR was confirming.

Meanwhile, it is understood Webb has also reminded referees of the need to take action against players waving imaginary cards after what appeared to be a lessening of the hard-line approach used at the start of the season.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67517181

That penalty against Newcastle last nite hast to be in the top 3 worse mistakes by VAR. We could name hundreds but where  does it all end. 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

That penalty against Newcastle last nite hast to be in the top 3 worse mistakes by VAR. We could name hundreds but where  does it all end. 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

Losing the will to watch it it’s virtually every game now has a Fck up was going to say gotta look at those running the game
Instead it’s more like those ruining the game I’m no Newcastle fan but that was a joke or cheating don’t know which .