VAR

Where's that lad from across the Pond today.

Can't wait to hear his reasoning for the penalty that was not given.

He’s in his phone note pad now creating his draft of bullshit, usually takes him at least 5 business days. It takes time to come up with complete nonsense like he does, he’s got the art of talking bullshit down to perfection, he’s the Shakespeare of bullshit.

He’s in his phone note pad now creating his draft of bullshit, usually takes him at least 5 business days. It takes time to come up with complete nonsense like he does, he’s got the art of talking bullshit down to perfection, he’s the Shakespeare of bullshit.

That’s four major games already where var hasn’t worked and it’s still championing the cause , us and wolves been royally shafted by it

Where's that lad from across the Pond today.

Can't wait to hear his reasoning for the penalty that was not given.

He drowned trying to get  across 

He drowned trying to get  across 

You wish Keith 

You wish Keith 

Think we all do. 

He drowned trying to get  across 

Finally you say something Intelligent and witty 

Finally you say something Intelligent and witty 

😂😂

You could write a book about what's wrong(or even right) with VAR.
It's agreed the operators are poor, but unless they are replaced with better one's (Unlikely)..then we'll have to wait, and hope they get better.
But the problem doesn't just lie with inept officials; It's also to do with defining the parameters of what they are asked to judge. The rules surrounding their input needs to be clearer. As a lot of you might know I think the whole thing needs binning, but that's not going to happen.
That Doku incident is a good example: Let's say the ref see's it in real time but isn't 100% sure....to some extent he can abdicate his responsibility to VAR....and if they do, (or don't) think it's a pen then at least he doesn't have to call it. It's all a mess. It's poorly drafted law.

You would have been delighted with the result of the challenge then. The ref didn't give it and it wasn't reviewed. Happy days for all who want it binned. Because that's what binning it looks like.

I've just seen Jay Spearing sent off for handball on the line last weekend, when the video shows clearly that it was never handball at any point. It's as bad a decision as anything I've ever seen. Yet another example of why VAR is needed at ALL levels of football asap.

Finally you say something Intelligent and witty

It's neither. Instead it's mancs reminding us again what they're really like. Singing at games about our fans not coming home one minute, then wishing we drown the next. How anyone of us possibly could like that shower, is beyond me.

I just hope they're enjoying their mid table mediocrity, suits them down to the ground.

You would have been delighted with the result of the challenge then. The ref didn't give it and it wasn't reviewed. Happy days for all who want it binned. Because that's what binning it looks like.

I've just seen Jay Spearing sent off for handball on the line last weekend, when the video shows clearly that it was never handball at any point. It's as bad a decision as anything I've ever seen. Yet another example of why VAR is needed at ALL levels of football asap.

It's neither. Instead it's mancs reminding us again what they're really like. Singing at games about our fans not coming home one minute, then wishing we drown the next. How anyone of us possibly could like that shower, is beyond me.

I just hope they're enjoying their mid table mediocrity, suits them down to the ground.

You have not understood the point I was making.....I'll make it again in as clear a manner as I can.

Referee's are apt not to make a difficult decision because they know that VAR will review the incident, removing any criticism of themselves (If it's deemed to be an error). Equally, VAR don't want to make a call for the exact same reason, it absolves them of blame should it later be proven to be an error....So they leave it to the ref.
Essentially both parties are leaving the decision to each other....So in the end nobody makes the call.
If there was NO VAR last weekend, the referee would have to make the call. The system at present allows for neither of them to make a call....which paradoxically is a call in itself....a non-call is actually a call.

The ref didn't give it because he preferred to see what VAR thought of it....This allows referee's to not referee. If there was no VAR and the ref say's no pen...then I accept his decision....even if I think he's made an error.

You have not understood the point I was making.....I'll make it again in as clear a manner as I can.

Referee's are apt not to make a difficult decision because they know that VAR will review the incident, removing any criticism of themselves (If it's deemed to be an error). Equally, VAR don't want to make a call for the exact same reason, it absolves them of blame should it later be proven to be an error....So they leave it to the ref.
Essentially both parties are leaving the decision to each other....So in the end nobody makes the call.
If there was NO VAR last weekend, the referee would have to make the call. The system at present allows for neither of them to make a call....which paradoxically is a call in itself....a non-call is actually a call.

The ref didn't give it because he preferred to see what VAR thought of it....This allows referee's to not referee. If there was no VAR and the ref say's no pen...then I accept his decision....even if I think he's made an error.

Don’t matter if it’s understood or not you won’t get through,

I'm to the point of thinking that VAR should implement a challenge system much like the NFL has. Give each manager 1 challenge per game (or per half if you aren't worried about it slowing down the game even further) and they can basically tell the ref "I want you to go to the VAR monitor to review that play and make a determination. So Klopp basically could have challenged that play and forced Oliver to go to the screen to rewatch it. I feel confident had Oliver watched the play on review himself he would have awarded a red. And it would somewhat take away this "No you review it" situation that Longy-Shops is describing because it's going to put the onus on the onfield official to review the call himself. So hopefully it would eliminate officials sluffing off their responsibility to make a call as they would know that even if they didn't call it, there's a chance the manager is going to make them look at it anyway.

The only downside I see is how that would interrupt the flow of the game, but if it made it possible to get more calls right, I think it would be worth a trial.

I'm to the point of thinking that VAR should implement a challenge system much like the NFL has. Give each manager 1 challenge per game (or per half if you aren't worried about it slowing down the game even further) and they can basically tell the ref "I want you to go to the VAR monitor to review that play and make a determination. So Klopp basically could have challenged that play and forced Oliver to go to the screen to rewatch it. I feel confident had Oliver watched the play on review himself he would have awarded a red. And it would somewhat take away this "No you review it" situation that Longy-Shops is describing because it's going to put the onus on the onfield official to review the call himself. So hopefully it would eliminate officials sluffing off their responsibility to make a call as they would know that even if they didn't call it, there's a chance the manager is going to make them look at it anyway.


Agree with that, but if the dozy tw*ts doing the VAR were more consistent in their calls then it would work better. Should not matter what time in the match it happens.

The only downside I see is how that would interrupt the flow of the game, but if it made it possible to get more calls right, I think it would be worth a trial.

I'm to the point of thinking that VAR should implement a challenge system much like the NFL has. Give each manager 1 challenge per game (or per half if you aren't worried about it slowing down the game even further) and they can basically tell the ref "I want you to go to the VAR monitor to review that play and make a determination. So Klopp basically could have challenged that play and forced Oliver to go to the screen to rewatch it. I feel confident had Oliver watched the play on review himself he would have awarded a red. And it would somewhat take away this "No you review it" situation that Longy-Shops is describing because it's going to put the onus on the onfield official to review the call himself. So hopefully it would eliminate officials sluffing off their responsibility to make a call as they would know that even if they didn't call it, there's a chance the manager is going to make them look at it anyway.

The only downside I see is how that would interrupt the flow of the game, but if it made it possible to get more calls right, I think it would be worth a trial.

If they don’t give it on VAR review then the bent bas**rds ain’t going to give it any time

Once again it’s NOT Var that’s the problem, nor is it the operators operating the system, it’s the influence of the PGMOL inside the Var box, sat next to the operator who are the problem, they will decide if it’s a penalty or not, they will decide if the onfield ref takes a look at the pitchside monitor, or not, not the Var operator, they are only there to move mouse cursers, press relevant buttons and what not,


They all see the same thing, the same footage both in real time and in slo mo, up close, differing angles and everything else in between, but the PGMOL official whether that be Tierney one week or any of his wee Gestapo mates another they will decide ultimately what happens next, and make up any excuse they see fit….like drawing the wrong lines in the Diaz onside goal Vs Spuds, Odegaard’s blatant hand ball Vs Arse, Endo seemingly blocking in the league cup final, yet Ake blocks Macca Vs City nothing given, Mane sent off for a high dangerous boot on Ederson, Duko similar dangerous high boot on Macca, nothing given…..there a few more contentious issues not mentioned but you’ll all know where I’m going here….

VAR is fine, it may require some fine tuning, but the operator’s or the operation of the system works perfectly well,

That leaves us with only one equation left….the PGMOL Nazi’s are the problem and as soon as they are removed the better for all, Simples !!!


YNWA

How on this earthdid Fernandez stay on yesterday, all readybooke the makes a terrible high, late tackle and ok it wasnt red but it was yellow and no action taken cheating officials again

How on this earthdid Fernandez stay on yesterday, all readybooke the makes a terrible high, late tackle and ok it wasnt red but it was yellow and no action taken cheating officials again

Ref had a very good game. Nice to see a result made by football and not the usual controversy VAR call gets every fcukin week.

Ref had a very good game. Nice to see a result made by football and not the usual controversy VAR call gets every fcukin week.

Tbh that's what made the game a bit more exciting the lack of VAR calls. That's not a dig either.

Ref had a very good game. Nice to see a result made by football and not the usual controversy VAR call gets every fcukin week.

Well apart from the fact he should have sent off Fernandes

I don't get one thing someone apart from LATW please tell me if the actual referee can ask them at stockley park to give him a second look at something via the monitor.   I mean with the facility available he should at least once in a while ask them am not sure about this incident can I have another look.  Because them making a decision has large margins, it has to be absolutely clear cut mistake with some times even more margins. 

Audio released from the Doku challenge at the end of the city game.

Still the same unprofessional comms we heard in the Spurs debacle of ‘mate, Ollie, what do you want to see’. And the ref giving his input BEFORE the VAR even looks at it which clearly could influence a decision.

And then most bizarre it’s justified as ‘they both come in high’. Macallister has literally got his feet on the ground and a boot in the chest.

It’s so clear that there is no process or procedure to get to an outcome.

Ref shouldn’t give input to VAR
VAR should clearly articulate what they want to see to whoever controls the replay etc
VAR should give their feedback and inputs to ref and send him to screen with this knowledge
Ref to decide after having seen live incident, heard the inputs from VAR and watching screen to assess

Those 4 steps alone would reduce the amount of nonsense we see every week with this system. The comms make you cringe

You have not understood the point I was making.....I'll make it again in as clear a manner as I can.

Referee's are apt not to make a difficult decision because they know that VAR will review the incident, removing any criticism of themselves (If it's deemed to be an error). Equally, VAR don't want to make a call for the exact same reason, it absolves them of blame should it later be proven to be an error....So they leave it to the ref.
Essentially both parties are leaving the decision to each other....So in the end nobody makes the call.
If there was NO VAR last weekend, the referee would have to make the call. The system at present allows for neither of them to make a call....which paradoxically is a call in itself....a non-call is actually a call.

The ref didn't give it because he preferred to see what VAR thought of it....This allows referee's to not referee. If there was no VAR and the ref say's no pen...then I accept his decision....even if I think he's made an error.

He didn't give it because he didn't think it was a foul. He's supposed to be the best ref in the league. The same one that didn't give them two penalties in the 3-1 win in 2019.

When the VAR saw that the ball was won first in the challenge, he cleared it.

Can't fathom any proper Liverpool supporter trying to defend the decision not to give us a penalty in the last min against City.

One of the clearest penalties you will ever see.

Can't fathom any proper Liverpool supporter trying to defend the decision not to give us a penalty in the last min against City.

One of the clearest penalties you will ever see.

It’s always been debate if he/she is or isn’t a Liverpool supporter anyway. 😂