VAR

Yea it does, but at some point, that trust has to be there for any system to be accepted. The problem is that the system is only as good (or clean) as the people using it. So if you have refs that are incompetent (or worse) then the system will be corrupted and acceptance of it will likely be difficult.

As there is no such thing as a perfect system, there will always be suspicion of malpractice. Usually the more people brought together to make a judgement makes it more difficult to make...hence one judge in a trial. I'm happy with one referee, and accepting he will make mistakes....it's only a game after all.

I have said in the past that VAR is well intentioned in theory...however in practice there are significant problems with it.
For me VAR can be split into two distinct areas: Tech assisted graphics, showing a still frame of film which shows whether a player is offside or not. The other area is a human VAR official who looks for evidence of foul play etc. The Tech stuff generally works and I have little problem with it. It would work better if it was used for clear and obvious incidents....ie you can see a big gap. As soon as it comes down to drawing lines, it has lost its purpose..as that means it can't be clear or obvious. All incidents bordering on being level should not be reviewed by var and the linesman's call should be the end of it.
The Re-refereeing aspect of VAR is far more problematic. I have talked about it on here before and so won't repeat myself....if you're in any way interested (and I can't understand why you would be)..take a look at some old posts. In short I'd keep a revised version of "tech" VAR for offside, and ditch the other "human" subjective element of VAR.
It's telling that you are worried that we might be put out of the cup due to a mistake that can't be reviewed...but your not bothered that Brighton could be knocked out for the same reason.

Why would a Liverpool fan be concerned about the opposition being knocked out of the cup? In saying that, it spoils the moment for me when we score a goal that we know should have been disallowed. We play elite level, extremely lucrative sport, so there has to be as few refereeing mistakes as possible. It's more important than merely "a game".

Refs call was introduced to reduce VAR interventions, which it has done. Then when the VAR doesn't intervene, he ends up being held responsible rather than the man on the field. 

Lines are never drawn for clear and obvious incidents, they're to determine factual offsides, and if it's tight, then they have to be drawn, there's no alternative. The incident could be the moment that decides a game or a trophy, and it has to be right. Otherwise you have a Luis Diaz scale fallout to deal with.

You can't have a referral system for captains and managers to use as cynical tactics, deployed in injury time. Referees must be in complete control of the game at all times, otherwise you have anarchy. Referral systems do not guarantee correct decisions in most other sports either.

Said this previously that captains should have 2 appeals each. In the light of Mike Dean saying he did not send a Ref to the monitor because the Ref had had 'a hard game'. And I'm sure the matey atmosphere within PGMOL must come into play.

For that reason and probably a few more giving the captains right of appeal is justifiable. Ref can overrule their appeal if he thinks it's petty and time wasting. VAR still can send him but giving captains 2 appeals evens up the balance and will stop or reduce all the VAR complaints.

Said this previously that captains should have 2 appeals each. In the light of Mike Dean saying he did not send a Ref to the monitor because the Ref had had 'a hard game'. And I'm sure the matey atmosphere within PGMOL must come into play.

I wonder how that sits with our VAR champion?

Said this previously that captains should have 2 appeals each. In the light of Mike Dean saying he did not send a Ref to the monitor because the Ref had had 'a hard game'. And I'm sure the matey atmosphere within PGMOL must come into play.

For that reason and probably a few more giving the captains right of appeal is justifiable. Ref can overrule their appeal if he thinks it's petty and time wasting. VAR still can send him but giving captains 2 appeals evens up the balance and will stop or reduce all the VAR complaints.

It won't stop the complaints. If something should have been reviewed but wasn't, then people will still complain why it wasn't. Happens here all the time.

I'm not a big fan of women's football, but the shocking ref error which decided the derby last weekend, is all the evidence needed that having VAR is essential if you want to be taken seriously as a proper league.

One of the biggest problems with VAR is the referee's are afraid to correct each other and defer to the on pitch decision far too often.

The man with the camera and the slow mo has all the advantages so if the ref on the pitch made a mistake call him on it.

It's really not that hard.

Never a pen & Lallana should have seen red…

One of the biggest problems with VAR is the referee's are afraid to correct each other and defer to the on pitch decision far too often.

The man with the camera and the slow mo has all the advantages so if the ref on the pitch made a mistake call him on it.

It's really not that hard.

Frightened of stepping on each others toes 🤬

One of the biggest problems with VAR is the referee's are afraid to correct each other and defer to the on pitch decision far too often.

The man with the camera and the slow mo has all the advantages so if the ref on the pitch made a mistake call him on it.

It's really not that hard.

Mike Dean admitted he helped his mate out because he was having a bad day. Use it for offside which should be accurate but anything else is opinion based or interpretation that's the REFS job

Match Officials for the Liverpool vs 115+ Cheats match this Sunday...


Referee: Chris Kavanagh. Assistants: Lee Betts, Darren Cann. Fourth official: Anthony Taylor. VAR: Paul Tierney.

^ www.premierleague.com/news/4175512   (only a surprise they didn't bring back Coote for this one )

One of the biggest problems with VAR is the referee's are afraid to correct each other and defer to the on pitch decision far too often.

The man with the camera and the slow mo has all the advantages so if the ref on the pitch made a mistake call him on it.

It's really not that hard.

It's not a big problem. It's not even a problem. It's the High Bar in place, which means if the subjective call is not a howler, it's left as is.

The ref on the field is the one who holds all the advantages. Because of the high bar, the VAR has a very limited ability to intervene, and even on the rare occasion he does, the ref on the pitch still has the power to overrule him.

For years, I've struggled to understand why Pickford stayed on the pitch for assaulting VVD.  But when I see straight red cards overturned for high, late, and downright dangerous tackles by Fernandes and Norgaard rescinded recently, now I know. The officials at the time just didn't think the similar tackle by Pickford on VVD was enough to justify a red card. 4 years later, the mystery has been solved.

Once a decision goes to var ... the var should make the decision ... like in cricket or rugby.

The var should then relay his decision on the big screen, as in rugby or cricket. The decision being for example 'goal' or 'no penalty' or 'red card - serious foul play' or 'no goal , offside no10' etc.

Its really not that difficult.

Have to laugh how hopeless var is. Not fit for purpose. Only seen it once but it looks like the palace player kicks lewis in his follow through and goes down and gets him sent off. Var does nothing as per despite the error.

Need to see it again. It will probably get recinded but var is a joke.

And when you see it again, you'll see that it's a second yellow card, VAR can do nothing about it, and it won't be rescinded.

Instead of learning how many miles referees are from the Manchester City ground, learn some of the basic rules of refereeing football games.

Every game we play these cheating bas**rds have a hand in screwing us over

12 months ago, we were told that we couldn't have VAR in our League Cup semi final, because a club in the other semi final didn't use it during their pub league games. They then lost 6-1 on aggregate.

Next week, not only will we have VAR in our semi final to check that justice is served, but the outcome of VAR reviews will be announced by the ref on the pitch. Progress. Slow progress maybe, but progress. 😀

I wish we had VAR 20 years ago today, Saturday 01/01/2005, when one of the worst injustices ever seen at Anfield was allowed to go unchecked and unpunished. Just before half time, Carvalho openly played basketball right in front of the Kop in our game against Chelsea. What's worse, the ref on the field, Riley, watched him do it and let it go. The Kop let him know in no uncertain terms what they thought of such blatant cheating, but nothing could be done and we subsequently lost 1-0.

12 months ago, we were told that we couldn't have VAR in our League Cup semi final, because a club in the other semi final didn't use it during their pub league games. They then lost 6-1 on aggregate.

Next week, not only will we have VAR in our semi final to check that justice is served, but the outcome of VAR reviews will be announced by the ref on the pitch. Progress. Slow progress maybe, but progress. 😀

I wish we had VAR 20 years ago today, Saturday 01/01/2005, when one of the worst injustices ever seen at Anfield was allowed to go unchecked and unpunished. Just before half time, William Carvalho openly played basketball right in front of the Kop in our game against Chelsea. What's worse, the ref on the field, Riley, watched him do it and let it go. The Kop let him know in no uncertain terms what they thought of such blatant cheating, but nothing could be done and we subsequently lost 1-0.

It was Ricardo carvahlo

12 months ago, we were told that we couldn't have VAR in our League Cup semi final, because a club in the other semi final didn't use it during their pub league games. They then lost 6-1 on aggregate.

Next week, not only will we have VAR in our semi final to check that justice is served, but the outcome of VAR reviews will be announced by the ref on the pitch. Progress. Slow progress maybe, but progress. 😀

I wish we had VAR 20 years ago today, Saturday 01/01/2005, when one of the worst injustices ever seen at Anfield was allowed to go unchecked and unpunished. Just before half time, Carvalho openly played basketball right in front of the Kop in our game against Chelsea. What's worse, the ref on the field, Riley, watched him do it and let it go. The Kop let him know in no uncertain terms what they thought of such blatant cheating, but nothing could be done and we subsequently lost 1-0.

I wish VAR had got involved with the 2nd yellow tonight like it does with everything else.

It’s still dogshit

Couldn’t believe it when the commentator said VAR are having a 2nd check for offside when Solanki scored.

What 1 check wasn’t the desired result they were hoping for?

cu*ts! Thought they were gonna F**k us but they waited till later!

I wish VAR had got involved with the 2nd yellow tonight like it does with everything else.

VAR has never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever got involved in cases of 2nd yellow cards, at any level of football worldwide. Because it can't.

I'm glad VAR did get involved in disallowing the clear ghost goal beforehand. Attwell is therefore the first match official in England to announce his decision to the crowd and why. I'm glad that the first such decision went our way, the only highlight of an otherwise forgettable game. Hopefully the first of many.

That silly kunt ACTW going to have a field day with no VAR for the United penalty 

So yet another howler from VAR and nice to see justice  from the Arsenal match, could have work out a lot worse. Fount isn’t it every time they make a mistake that silly kunt across the water goes missing. 😂

So yet another howler from VAR and nice to see justice  from the Arsenal match, could have work out a lot worse. Fount isn’t it every time they make a mistake that silly kunt across the water goes missing. 😂

Tbh most people's reactions were that it should of been a yellow not a red.

It was the decision regarding dangerous play that seemed to stump everyone