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      Reply #250: Jul 12, 2018 10:24:58 am
      Oh god I hope not. Rugby us the last thing in the world id want to mimic. Awful waste of time

      I was at the West Brom gane and it was an absolute farce in the ground.

      Very much disagree, tremendous sport rugby.

      It's going to be slow at the start, you need to give things a go and let it develop and improve.

      Would you rather a referee making a game changing error and not have it addressed for the sake of 2 minutes to check it. I understand it may take longer at this stage of VAR but my point about rugby was it was that way too at the start, but now it only takes 1 minute with a few short sharp clips from about 5 different angles, easy peasy.
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      Reply #251: Jul 12, 2018 10:26:59 am


      Mark my words this will happen one day too. A referee will look at an incident inside the box but not give the penalty (which should have been given), the other team break and score straight away. The referee reviews the original incident and awards the penalty and therefore rules out the goal that's just been scored.  It will be a circus.



      So...

      The right call was made in the end?
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      Reply #252: Jul 12, 2018 06:08:12 pm
      Very much disagree, tremendous sport rugby.



      I get that everyone is different and if someone likes something then sound but not for me personally ruggers
      An absolute boring monumental waste of time, I'd rather stick pins in my eyes.
      If it was a choice of watching a game of rugby or sitting in a dark room for the same amount of time then the dark room wins hands down
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #253: Jul 12, 2018 06:26:02 pm
      I get that everyone is different and if someone likes something then sound but not for me personally ruggers
      An absolute boring monumental waste of time, I'd rather stick pins in my eyes.
      If it was a choice of watching a game of rugby or sitting in a dark room for the same amount of time then the dark room wins hands down

      Rugby? It's the ultimate Victorian throwback for the upper classes - showing off Imperial macho strength while servicing your repressed homosexuality at the same time.

      Ok I jest! But broadly, I agree. I've given rugby a watch over many years and given it many chances but these days I'm absolutely convinced that it's not worth it. Brilliant atmospheres and all that but a very 2D sport.
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      Reply #254: Jul 12, 2018 09:38:31 pm
      I get that everyone is different and if someone likes something then sound but not for me personally ruggers
      An absolute boring monumental waste of time, I'd rather stick pins in my eyes.
      If it was a choice of watching a game of rugby or sitting in a dark room for the same amount of time then the dark room wins hands down

      Fair enough mate. :D
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      Reply #255: Jul 12, 2018 09:42:22 pm
      Love both rugby codes myself
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      Reply #256: Jul 12, 2018 09:52:03 pm

      Same here although I do prefer the greater details of Union over League.

      Test Cricket is something I don’t get at all.
      5 days and still getting a draw! Americans may have a point.



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      Reply #257: Jul 12, 2018 10:21:14 pm
      Same here although I do prefer the greater details of Union over League.

      Test Cricket is something I don’t get at all.
      5 days and still getting a draw! Americans may have a point.





      Love cricket as well, all forms of the game, great day out and an excuse for a beer or two
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #258: Jul 17, 2018 10:59:53 pm
      Technically both major decisions in the final were 100% correct. Although the first one is currently beyond the remit of VAR, the angle behind Griezmann shows a foul committed, so a free kick was given.

      The penalty appeal shows a movement by the hand towards the ball. We've seen those calls given without VAR, (e.g. Roma got a similiar penalty against Klavan a few weeks ago) It's one of those calls  that if it's for you, you think it's obvious, and if it's against you, you think it's outrageous. But the ref now gets more than one look at an incident so they can make an informed decision, and most will give a handball in that instance.

      I'm sure we will have the ref and room communication broadcast in the next tournament, during a review. It won't change the final decision, but it will change the nature of the debate and help  put the conspiracy theories to bed. There's no reason why it can't be done right now, so I'm sure when the will is there, it will be done.

      As I expected, it has been widely welcomed by the fans and press.
      We've been spoiled by it's use and it's accuracy during the tournament, and many of the sceptics have been won over, during the tournament. Now it's back to the bad old days of one look refereeing for the coming season, that allows teams such as Roma to win penalties such as the above, with no opportunity to reconsider them or put them right. But one thing we know is that VAR is on the way to becoming the norm, and it'll be back putting wrong decisions right again, soon enough.
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      Reply #259: Jul 18, 2018 11:28:23 am
      1st week of premier league action there will be a game altering decision, screwing a team out of points right from game 1 that VAR would have prevented.

      100% nailed on guarantee.
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      Reply #260: Jul 18, 2018 11:33:39 am
      1st week of premier league action there will be a game altering decision, screwing a team out of points right from game 1 that VAR would have prevented.

      100% nailed on guarantee.
      Hopefully it is United complaining. That way the FA will have VAR in by Christmas.
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      Reply #261: Jul 18, 2018 12:55:34 pm
      Hopefully it is United complaining. That way the FA will have VAR in by Christmas.

      Is that Newcastle United your reffering too  :f_whistle:
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #262: Jul 19, 2018 07:37:00 am
      Quote from Magillionare
      1st week of premier league action there will be a game altering decision, screwing a team out of points right from game 1 that VAR would have prevented.

      100% nailed on guarantee.

      It's a fairly safe bet tbh. FIFA research says there's a major decision wrong, every 3 games. That means there will be at least 3 such wrong calls made on the first weekend, that we can't do anything about. That equates to a minimum of 114 such injustices over the season. With so much at stake up and down the league, that level of incompetence at this level, is outrageous, when it doesn't have to happen.

      But that is what was voted through last April.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #263: Jul 19, 2018 07:47:58 am
      F**k all this VAR nonsense......just bang in 4 goals a game and they can have their shitty 1 bad decision we will still have the 3 points!
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      Reply #264: Aug 02, 2018 02:34:18 pm
      Sorry, not quite VAR, but how f**king ridiculous is this? lmao!

      https://twitter.com/eLDeeTheDon/status/1024811407093760002
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      Reply #265: Aug 02, 2018 08:04:52 pm

      Was watching that last night on sky, should of seen the camera view for the pens at the end, totally ridiculous.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #266: Aug 08, 2018 10:52:15 pm
      Last season:

      Penalties given for handball in EPL: 6 from 380 games
      Penalties given for handball in WC: 5 from 64 games

      What cheaters and conmen can get away with in the EPL, they couldn't at the WC, with Big Brother in the stands watching their antics. But what British refs consider handball and other refs consider as handball, are obviously different things.

      So expect outrage, chaos, and blame over wrong refereeing decisions to resume from this weekend.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #267: Aug 21, 2018 07:25:57 pm
      Day 2 EPL, VAR Quiz:

      Cardiff v Newcastle:
      Incident:
      Serious Foul Play by Newcastle player.
      Decision: No Decision Taken.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Free kick, Straight Red Card, and standard 3 league game suspension for offender.

      Cardiff v Newcastle:
      Incident:
      Penalty claim by Newcastle.
      Decision: Penalty awarded.
      VAR Review? Decision Stands.

      Leicester v Wolves:
      Incident:
      Serious Foul Play by Leicester player.
      Decision: Free kick, Straight Red Card, and standard 3 league game suspension for offender.
      VAR Review? Decision Stands.

      Brighton v mancs:
      Incident: Penalty claim by Brighton.
      Decision: Penalty awarded.
      VAR Review? Decision Stands.

      Brighton v mancs:
      Incident: Penalty claim by mancs.
      Decision: Penalty awarded.
      VAR Review? Decision overturned.
      Simulation by cheating manc, standard yellow card for cheating manc, and free kick to opposition.

      v Palace (a):
      Incident:
      Penalty claim by us.
      Decision: Penalty awarded to us and scored.
      VAR Review? Decision Stands.

      v Palace (a):
      Incident:
      Serious Foul Play committed against us.
      Decision: Free kick, Straight Red Card, and standard 3 league game suspension for offender.
      VAR Review? Decision Stands.

      To Be Continued...
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      Reply #268: Aug 28, 2018 07:24:07 pm
      Day 3 EPL, VAR Quiz:

      Wolves v City:
      Incident:
      Goal scored by Wolves.
      Decision: Goal given.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Free kick to opposition.

      mancs v Spurs:
      Incident: Penalty claim by Spurs.
      Decision: No action taken.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned, Penalty awarded against cheating manc.

      Newcastle v Chelsea:
      Incident:
      Penalty claim by Chelsea.
      Decision: Penalty awarded.
      VAR Review? Decision Stands.

      Newcastle v Chelsea:
      Incident:
      Goal scored by Newcastle.
      Decision: Goal given.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned, Free kick to opposition for use of elbow.

      Southampton v Leicester:
      Incident: Penalty claim by Southampton.
      Decision: Free kick to opposition for simulation, Second Yellow Card, Red Card, and automatic 1 game ban for offender.
      VAR Review? Decision stands.

      v Brighton (h):
      Incident:
      Penalty claim by us.
      Decision: No action taken.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned, Penalty awarded against cheating opponent for handball.

      v Brighton (h):
      Incident:
      Penalty claim by us.
      Decision: Free kick to opposition.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned, Penalty awarded against cheating opponent for foul on Firmino's ankle.

      In August, at least 8 major decisions in the league should have been corrected with VAR.

      TBC...
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      Reply #269: Aug 28, 2018 07:25:21 pm
      VAR resumes in the League Cup this week, with 8 teams lucky enough to know that the ref has more than one look at an incident if necessary, which could keep them in it or kick them out.

      Embarrassed by the success of it at the World Cup, and embarrassed again by it's successful implementation in their major national leagues, UEFA are reviewing their rash decision not to bring it in for this year's European Cup, and now considering using it from the quarter finals of this year's competition on.

      In that case, last year's final was the last final where you can get away with stuff you shouldn't get away with. A year too late for us maybe, but better late than never.
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      Reply #270: Sep 10, 2018 07:59:54 am
      Day 4 EPL, VAR Quiz:

      Chelsea v Bournemouth:
      Incident:
      Penalty claim by Bournemouth.
      Decision: Goal kick.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Penalty given.

      v Leicester (a):
      Incident:
      Penalty claim by us. (Van Dijk)
      Decision: Corner given.
      VAR Review? Decision Stands.

      TBC...
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      Reply #271: Sep 19, 2018 11:58:40 am
      Day 5 EPL, VAR Quiz:

      City v Fulham:
      Incident:
      Goal scored by City.
      Decision: Offside.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Goal given.

      v Spurs (a):
      Incident: Penalty claim by Spurs.
      Decision: Goal.kick.
      VAR Review? Decision Changed. Free kick awarded to us, for sly push on Milner in penalty area, during build up.

      v Spurs (a):
      Incident:
      Serious Foul Play against Firmino.
      Decision: No action taken.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned.
      Possible red card for offender.

      TBC...
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      Reply #272: Sep 19, 2018 11:59:27 am
      In Serie A, one of the leagues with the foresight to implement the refereeing revolution, a player was spotted spitting at an opponent, out of sight of the ref. Not really the smartest thing to do though with VAR around though. The ref was duly alerted to the incident, so he could apply the automatic punishment for the offence. That's why VAR is in place, cleaning the crap out of our game. Literally in that case.

      In the EPL however, you can still get away with such offences, on the day at least, if the ref doesn't see it at the time.
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      Reply #273: Sep 19, 2018 07:05:32 pm
      Would have won 3-0 last night if VAR was used. 

      Can’t wait until we move out of the dark ages
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #274: Sep 26, 2018 02:58:44 pm
      Day 6 EPL, VAR Quiz:

      Fulham v Watford:
      Incident:
      Serious Foul Play by Fulham.
      Decision: Yellow Card.
      VAR Review? Decision Changed. Red Card given.

      Cardiff v City:
      Incident: Serious Foul Play by Cardiff.
      Decision: Yellow Card
      VAR Review? Decision Changed. Red Card given.

      Arsenal v Everton:
      Incident:
      Goal scored by Arsenal.
      Decision: Goal given.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Offside given.

      TBC...

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