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      Re: VAR
      Reply #300: Dec 01, 2018 07:52:33 am
      Day 13 EPL, VAR Quiz:

      Brighton v Leicester:
      Incident:
      Penalty claim by Leicester
      Decision: Free kick, 2nd Yellow Card.
      VAR Review? Decision Stands.

      Bournemouth v Arsenal:
      Incident:
      Goal scored by Bournemouth.
      Decision: Offside given.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Goal given.

      Spurs v Chelsea:
      Incident:
      Penalty claim by Chelsea.
      Decision: No action taken.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Penalty given.

      v Watford (a):
      Incident:
      Penalty claim by Watford.
      Decision: No action taken.
      VAR Review? Decision Stands.

      The 14 wrong decisions in November, had a significant impact on the results of most games concerned. It brings the total to at least 36 avoidable clangers to date.

      TBC...
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #301: Dec 04, 2018 07:37:46 pm
      Day 14 EPL, VAR Quiz:

      Southampton v mancs:
      Incident:
      Penalty claim by Southampton
      Decision: No action taken.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Penalty given.

      City v Bournemouth:
      Incident:
      Penalty claim by Bournemouth.
      Decision: No action taken.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Penalty given.

      Despite the pundits waxing lyrical about City, the Bournemouth penalty claim was a clearcut call, if we could use the technology that every other major European league now takes for granted. And if they scored it, we could have seen a very different result.

      But we can't, and the penalty call in the Southampton game, could well have been the difference between someone keeping his job or getting sacked. That's the human cost when avoidable errors are condoned and tolerated.

      But they won't be in the European Cup from February. After years of outrage incompetence and injustice, the home game v Napoli is our final European Cup game where the on field referee has just one opportunity to get a big call right. So if you fall over in the box for no reason, or engineer "contact" in the box, or try to swap shirts at set pieces, you won't benefit anymore. And if you were miles offside when the ball was played, then you can stop celebrating, because your goal will not stand. A camera cannot be conned.

      We've come a long way in less than 10 years, from the FIFA President ruling all forms of technology aids out of our sport, to it becoming standard practice at the very highest levels of the game, bringing Fair Play to those who play it, and Justice to those who pay good money out to watch it. VAR is coming to a stadium near you.

      In the meantime however, there are 24 more weeks in the EPL where we have to live with incompetence. So...

      TBC...
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #302: Dec 08, 2018 08:53:32 am
      Day 15 EPL, VAR Quiz:

      Brighton v Palace:
      Incident:
      Penalty claim by Brighton.
      Decision: Penalty given.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Penalty not given.

      Wolves v Chelsea:
      Incident:
      Penalty claim by Chelsea.
      Decision: No action taken.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Penalty given.

      Everton v Newcastle:
      Incident:
      Goal by Newcastle.
      Decision: Goal given.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Free kick for foul in build up.

      mancs v Arsenal:
      Incident:
      Goal by mancs.
      Decision: Goal given.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Offside given.

      mancs v Arsenal:
      Incident:
      Serious foul play by manc.
      Decision: No action taken. Free kick and yellow card given for separate offence.
      VAR Review? Decision Changed. Red Card given for Serious Foul Play incident, 3 match suspension for cheating manc.

      v Burnley (a):
      Incident:
      Goal by Burnley.
      Decision: Goal given.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Offside given.

      TBC...
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #303: Dec 08, 2018 09:28:19 am
      Still not giving a flying f**k about this. Mistakes are one of my favourite parts of the game.

      Timekeeping is a much more pressing issue and it should be taken out of the referees hands. Make timewasting pointless, though still a bookable offence, if players are just trying to slow down the game. Make play acting and late substitutes irrelevant. Make sure we get 90 minutes of football, not the forty or fifty minutes we've been getting recently.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #304: Dec 19, 2018 11:09:45 pm
      Day 16 EPL, VAR Quiz:

      Burnley v Brighton:
      Incident:
      Goal Scored by Burnley.
      Decision: Goal given.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Offside given.

      v Bournemouth (a):
      Incident: Goal by us.
      Decision: Goal given.
      VAR Review? Offside.

      Everton v Watford:
      Incident:
      Goal by Everton.
      Decision: Goal given.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Offside given.

      Newcastle v Wolves:
      Incident:
      Professional foul by Newcastle.
      Decision: Free kick, Red Card.
      VAR Review? Decision Stands.

      Newcastle v Wolves:
      Incident
      : Penalty claim by Newcastle.
      Decision: No action taken.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Penalty given.

      Day 17 saw all major decisions called correctly for the first time this season.

      TBC...
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #305: Dec 24, 2018 11:59:33 pm
      Day 18 EPL, VAR Quiz:

      Arsenal v Burnley:
      Incident:
      Goal Scored by Arsenal.
      Decision: Goal given.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Offside given.

      Bournemouth v Brighton:
      Incident:
      Mistaken Identity.
      Decision: Free kick to Bournemouth. Yellow Card for Brighton.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Original yellow card rescinded on the spot, and transferred to the player who committed the foul. The player given the yellow card on the pitch in error, was later dismissed for a second yellow card.

      Everton v Spurs:
      Incident:
      Goal by Everton.
      Decision: Offside given.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Goal given.

      Everton v Spurs:
      Incident:
      Penalty claim by Spurs.
      Decision: No action taken.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Penalty given.

      Newcastle v Fulham:
      Incident
      : Penalty claim by Fulham for handball.
      Decision: No action taken.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Penalty given.

      v Wolves (a):
      Incident:
      Penalty claim by Wolves.
      Decision: No action taken.
      VAR Review? Decision Stands.

      TBC...
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #306: Dec 28, 2018 11:52:43 pm
      Day 19 EPL, VAR Quiz:

      Fulham v Wolves:
      Incident:
      Penalty claim by Wolves.
      Decision: No action taken.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Penalty given.

      v Newcastle (h):
      Incident:
      Penalty claim by us.
      Decision: Penalty given.
      VAR Review? Decision Stands.

      TBC...
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #307: Jan 01, 2019 07:53:28 pm
      Day 20 EPL, VAR Quiz:

      Southampton v City:
      Incident:
      Penalty claim by Southampton.
      Decision: No action taken.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Penalty given.

      mancs v Bournemouth:
      Incident:
      Penalty claim by Bournemouth.
      Decision: No action taken.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Penalty given.

      mancs v Bournemouth:
      Incident:
      Goal scored by mancs.
      Decision: Goal given.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Free kick given.

      Spurs v Wolves:
      Incident:
      Penalty claim by Spurs.
      Decision: No action taken.
      VAR Review? Decision Stands.

      The at least 21 major refereeing errors in December, bring the total to 57 recorded this season over 200 games, largely keeping pace with the FIFA estimate of 1 every 3 games, where VAR needs to sort things out.

      TBC...
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #308: Jan 09, 2019 07:33:43 pm
      Another tough outing for VAR last night.

      Seems like our officials still aren't ready for it.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #309: Jan 09, 2019 08:38:34 pm
      Day 21 EPL, VAR Quiz:

      Cardiff v Spurs:
      Incident:
      Serious foul play by Spurs.
      Decision: No action taken.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Free kick given. Red card.

      Bournemouth v Watford:
      Incident:
      Serious foul play by Watford.
      Decision: Free kick, yellow card given.
      VAR Review? Decision Changed. Red card given.

      v City (a):
      Incident:
      Serious foul play by City.
      Decision: Free kick, Yellow card given.
      VAR Review? Decision Changed. Red Card given.

      v City (a):
      Incident:
      Penalty claim by us.
      Decision: No action taken.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Penalty given for shirt pull at corner. (on VVD)

      After at least 61 human errors recorded to date this season, VAR's were let loose in the cups. Where one ref was VAR last season, numerous others had a go at being the VAR this time. The ref of our game at City who didn't spot 2 major decisions wrong on the night, was also the VAR for our cup game, but had nothing to review. Plenty of others did however, changing yellow cards to red, awarding penalties instead of offsides, and vice versa. After all that fun, they now go back to the old system, of hoping to get decisions correct in the league.

      TBC...
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #310: Jan 16, 2019 08:28:42 pm
      The joke that is VAR f**king up a good Derby goal against Southampton
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #311: Jan 18, 2019 06:56:21 pm
      Day 22 EPL, VAR Quiz:

      Cardiff v Huddersfield:
      Incident:
      Penalty claim by Huddersfield.
      Decision: Free kick to Cardiff.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Penalty given.

      v Brighton (a):
      Incident:
      Penalty claim by us.
      Decision: No action taken.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Penalty given for shirt pull on VVD.

      v Brighton (a):
      Incident:
      Penalty claim by us.
      Decision: Penalty awarded.
      VAR Review? Decision Stands.

      TBC...
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #312: Jan 28, 2019 02:15:58 pm
      Chelsea v Sheffield Wednesday yesterday

      I am very much a sceptic of VAR as I thinks known but genuine question here

      Penalty is given to Wednesday yesterday, VAR (eventually) overturns and says a clean tackle by the Chelsea defender

      How come then the play is started by an apparent drop ball ( even though the ref just gave it to Cabellero) instead of a corner to Sheffield Wednesday?
      Pen given by the ref, video ref says he won the ball, ball goes behind
      Surely a corner then?
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #313: Jan 28, 2019 03:02:49 pm
      Any stoppage for VAR that doesn’t results in a penalty etc will mean the game is restarted by a drop ball
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #314: Jan 28, 2019 03:04:01 pm
      Any stoppage for VAR that doesn’t results in a penalty etc will mean the game is restarted by a drop ball

      Why?

      Makes something sh*te even shiter

      Wednesday in this example first think they have a pen ( wasn't one granted) but are then 'punished twice as had the ref seen the tackle he gives the corner

      In this example the drop ball is given to the Chelsea keeper who starts an attack in which they get a penalty

      Doesn't seem right to me
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #315: Jan 28, 2019 03:21:35 pm
      Why?

      Makes something sh*te even shiter

      Wednesday in this example first think they have a pen ( wasn't one granted) but are then 'punished twice as had the ref seen the tackle he gives the corner

      In this example the drop ball is given to the Chelsea keeper who starts an attack in which they get a penalty

      Doesn't seem right to me

      Why ? Well that’s the regulations they decided

      And The ref blows his whistle before the ball goes out of play anyway apparently so the game was dead before the ball went out.


      The whole VAR implementation by sh*te refs is shown to be complete sh*te anyway
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #316: Jan 28, 2019 03:23:33 pm
      Why ? Well that’s the regulations they decided

      And The ref blows his whistle before the ball goes out of play anyway apparently so the game was dead before the ball went out.


      The whole VAR implementation by sh*te refs is shown to be complete sh*te anyway

      He blows the whistle to give the penalty
      The ball goes out naturally

      Why on overturning the decision they can't play on from where the natural stoppage would have been.
      The corner

      Absolute like of sh*te VAR
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #317: Jan 28, 2019 06:31:40 pm

      After all that fun, they now go back to the old system, of hoping to get decisions correct in the league.


      At least it's f**king fair and used in all leagues and levels of footy, unlike VAR!!
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #318: Jan 28, 2019 08:50:03 pm
      As we saw at the weekend when it wasn't  available, there isn't anything fair about the wrong decision made, while there isn't 200 million quid resting on refs getting decisions right in other leagues and levels. But there is in the competitions we're in, so they have to be called right. If that means taking a bit more time, that's fine.

      When it was available at the weekend, a penalty decision was correctly overturned. The fans of the team who lost out because of it, may not like it much, but the VAR showed they had no case.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #319: Jan 29, 2019 07:52:03 pm
      Day 23 EPL, VAR Quiz:

      v Palace (h):
      Incident:
      Penalty claim by us.
      Decision: No action taken.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Penalty given for handball.

      v Palace (h):
      Incident:
      Goal by Palace.
      Decision: Goal given.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Free kick for foul on VVD.

      TBC...
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #320: Jan 29, 2019 08:32:40 pm
      VAR quiz 😮

      Bet that's a sell out
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #321: Feb 02, 2019 12:52:38 pm
      Day 24 EPL, VAR Quiz:

      v Leicester (h):
      Incident:
      Penalty claim by us.
      Decision: Goal kick.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Penalty Awarded.

      v Leicester (h):
      Incident:
      Professional foul by Leicester
      Decision: Free kick, Yellow card.
      VAR Review? Decision Changed. Red card, 3 match ban for offender.

      Southampton v Palace:
      Incident:
      Serious Foul Play by Southampton.
      Decision: No action taken.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned, Free kick. Red Card for reckless challenge. 3 match ban for offender.

      Fulham v Brighton:
      Incident:
      Serious Foul Play by Brighton.
      Decision: Free kick, Yellow Card
      VAR Review? Decision Changed. Red Card.

      Arsenal v Cardiff:
      Incident:
      Penalty claim by Arsenal.
      Decision: No action taken.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Penalty given.

      Spurs v Watford:
      Incident:
      Serious Foul Play by Spurs.
      Decision: No action taken.
      VAR Review? Red Card for reckless two footed tackle.

      At least 14 howlers in January brings the updated total for the season to 71.

      TBC
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #322: Feb 02, 2019 12:55:01 pm
      I’m a bit confused - this surely is just “opinion” yes ? Not factual

      The Maguire incident - plenty refs said even after seeing it again the yellow was right so why have you said red card ?
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #323: Feb 02, 2019 12:58:49 pm
      I’m a bit confused - this surely is just “opinion” yes ? Not factual

      The Maguire incident - plenty refs said even after seeing it again the yellow was right so why have you said red card ?

      Absolutely

      These are all his opinion

      The rules changed now on last man anyway to clear goalscoring opportunity
      I doubt any refs would say that far from goal is a clear goalscoring opportunity
      It was a foul and under those new rules a yellow

      The one the other week in the palace game where it was handball by Townsend. The ref actually gave the foul against Mane for pushing his arm onto the ball so again that wouldn't be turned over

      All these are his opinion 

      Var probably does need to come in but not used how is being suggested here. Should only be used in clear and obvious mistakes
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #324: Feb 02, 2019 01:55:39 pm
      Absolutely

      These are all his opinion

      The rules changed now on last man anyway to clear goalscoring opportunity
      I doubt any refs would say that far from goal is a clear goalscoring opportunity
      It was a foul and under those new rules a yellow

      The one the other week in the palace game where it was handball by Townsend. The ref actually gave the foul against Mane for pushing his arm onto the ball so again that wouldn't be turned over

      All these are his opinion 

      Var probably does need to come in but not used how is being suggested here. Should only be used in clear and obvious mistakes

      Like the penalty on Keita.

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