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      Re: VAR
      Reply #325: Feb 02, 2019 02:04:02 pm

      Yeah 100%

      Wonder how they are judged though?

      I mean would the ref ask them to look or would he be told hes made the wrong decision?

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      Re: VAR
      Reply #326: Feb 02, 2019 02:08:39 pm
      Yeah 100%

      Wonder how they are judged though?

      I mean would the ref ask them to look or would he be told hes made the wrong decision?

      My understanding is that the VAR people are constantly reviewing play, and that in the case of a penalty like that, the ref gets word through his earpiece.
      I think they have something like 12 screens, each monitored by 1 person, and they see from different angles etc
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #327: Feb 02, 2019 02:09:13 pm
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      The Maguire incident - plenty refs said even after seeing it again the yellow was right so why have you said red card ?

      Because it's a wild kick out at Mane. It's nowhere near the ball, it's cynical, intentional, deliberate, and a red card anywhere on the pitch.

      On the Palace incident, having watched the incident several times I don't see any push by Mane to justify a free kick. It's a straight forward handball in the box and a penalty. Then again Moss was in charge, so anything goes with him around.
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      Reply #328: Feb 02, 2019 02:38:32 pm
      Because it's a wild kick out at Mane. It's nowhere near the ball, it's cynical, intentional, deliberate, and a red card anywhere on the pitch.

      On the Palace incident, having watched the incident several times I don't see any push by Mane to justify a free kick. It's a straight forward handball in the box and a penalty. Then again Moss was in charge, so anything goes with him around.

      It’s not a red card against Maguire - it’s a foul and a yellow , it wasn’t dangerous. If that’s a red card because of the tackle then the sport is in trouble
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #329: Feb 02, 2019 02:58:47 pm
      Joe Gomez is out for the best part of 3 months for a tackle that wasn't considered dangerous. This tackle was far worse and should have been fully punished.

      At first, I thought it was a shirt pull and a yellow. When you see the kick, you can't blame a ref if he gives a red for it.
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      Reply #330: Feb 02, 2019 03:21:30 pm
      Joe Gomez is out for the best part of 3 months for a tackle that wasn't considered dangerous. This tackle was far worse and should have been fully punished.

      At first, I thought it was a shirt pull and a yellow. When you see the kick, you can't blame a ref if he gives a red for it.

      It’s a yellow - every single ref has said its a yellow and you can see its a yellow , they looked at the replays and it’s still a yellow

      Gomez tackle was a yellow

      Players get injured because of all sorts of tackles - just because Gomez ended up with a bad injury doesn’t mean it’s a red card tackle
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #331: Feb 02, 2019 03:56:44 pm


      Players get injured because of all sorts of tackles - just because Gomez ended up with a bad injury doesn’t mean it’s a red card tackle

      For those that wear rose tinted glasses it's a red.  :lmao:
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #332: Feb 03, 2019 12:56:21 am
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      It’s a yellow - every single ref has said its a yellow and you can see its a yellow , they looked at the replays and it’s still a yellow

      Gomez tackle was a yellow

      Players get injured because of all sorts of tackles - just because Gomez ended up with a bad injury doesn’t mean it’s a red card tackle

      I didn't say it was. I said it wasn't considered dangerous.

      You said the tackle this week was only a yellow because it wasn't dangerous. I said it was deliberate and cynical, which it was. If a VAR spots that, I would expect him to advise the on field ref to get a red card out for it. The same ref was advised to do exactly that during a VAR game a few weeks ago for a high late challenge, after just 2 minutes. Unfortunately he didn't have it this week.
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      Reply #333: Feb 03, 2019 06:34:32 am
      I didn't say it was. I said it wasn't considered dangerous.

      You said the tackle this week was only a yellow because it wasn't dangerous. I said it was deliberate and cynical, which it was. If a VAR spots that, I would expect him to advise the on field ref to get a red card out for it. The same ref was advised to do exactly that during a VAR game a few weeks ago for a high late challenge, after just 2 minutes. Unfortunately he didn't have it this week.
      Not in a million years was it a red card challenge - Refs saw it  again afterwards in replays and they have said it was a yellow , its a yellow card challenge.

          Serious foul play
          Violent conduct
          Spitting at an opponent or any other person
          Denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goalscoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball (this does not apply to    a goalkeeper within their own penalty area)
          Deliberate fouls that deny an obvious goalscoring opportunity to an opponent moving towards the player's goal (D.O.G.S.O.)[5]
          Using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or gestures
          Receiving a second caution in the same match[1]:39


      Thats what gets a red card and the Maguire challnge on Mane falls into none of them
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #334: Feb 03, 2019 10:41:33 pm
      Quote from Lallana in Pyjamas
      Not in a million years was it a red card challenge - Refs saw it  again afterwards in replays and they have said it was a yellow , its a yellow card challenge.

          Serious foul play
          Violent conduct
          Spitting at an opponent or any other person
          Denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goalscoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball (this does not apply to    a goalkeeper within their own penalty area)
          Deliberate fouls that deny an obvious goalscoring opportunity to an opponent moving towards the player's goal (D.O.G.S.O.)[5]
          Using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or gestures
          Receiving a second caution in the same match[1]:39


      Thats what gets a red card and the Maguire challnge on Mane falls into none of them

      It falls under a) Serious foul play and/or b) DOGSO. Mane has a goalscoring opportunity if there's no foul. It wasn't a mistimed challenge, the opponent knew exactly what he was doing, and hoped he would get away with it. Which without VAR, he did. About 5 minutes later, he scored.

      The ref with the host broadcaster insisted the Keita call wasn't a penalty, despite what the replays clearly showed. Even the match commentators questioned his judgement. A replica of the same foul came in the England-Italy friendly last year, discussed in this thread from Post 66, where a penalty was then given by VAR.

      Since then, the same ref who got two major decisions wrong in our game has given a ghost goal to our rivals for a clear handball. Every week it's the same names in the spotlight, making wrong decisions which affect results. They need VAR, we need VAR, so we can get up to the 99.3% correct decision rate VAR provides.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #335: Feb 22, 2019 11:59:35 pm
      Day 25 EPL, VAR Quiz:

      Burnley v Southampton:
      Incident:
      Penalty claim by Burnley.
      Decision: Free kick, yellow card.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Penalty given.

      Burnley v Southampton:
      Incident:
      Penalty claim by Burnley
      Decision: Penalty given.
      VAR Review? Decision Stands.

      Chelsea v Huddersfield:
      Incident:
      Penalty claim by Huddersfield
      Decision: Goal kick.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned, Penalty given.

      v West Ham (a):
      Incident: Offside claim.
      Decision: Goal Awarded.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Offside given.

      City v Arsenal:
      Incident:
      Goal Scored by City.
      Decision: Goal given.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Free kick for handball.

      TBC...
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #336: Feb 23, 2019 12:01:57 am
      Day 26 EPL, VAR Quiz:

      Huddersfield v Arsenal:
      Incident:
      Penalty claim by Huddersfield.
      Decision: No action taken.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Penalty given for handball.

      Huddersfield v Arsenal:
      Incident:
      Serious Foul Play by Huddersfield.
      Decision: No action taken.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Free kick, Red Card, 3 game ban.

      Brighton v Burnley:
      Incident:
      Penalty claim by Brighton.
      Decision: No action taken.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Penalty for handball.

      Palace v West Ham:
      Incident:
      Serious Foul Play by Palace.
      Decision: Free kick given.
      VAR Review? Decision Changed. Red Card for offender for reckless challenge.

      Spurs v Leicester:
      Incident:
      Penalty claim by Spurs
      Decision: Free kick, yellow card.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Penalty given.

      TBC...
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #337: Mar 02, 2019 08:53:20 am
      Day 27 EPL, VAR Quiz:

      West Ham v Fulham:
      Incident:
      Goal scored by West Ham.
      Decision: Goal given.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Free kick for intentional handball, automatic Red Card given to cheat, 3 game ban.

      Cardiff v Watford:
      Incident:
      Penalty claim by Cardiff.
      Decision: No action taken.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Penalty given.

      Bournemouth v Wolves:
      Incident:
      Penalty claim by Bournemouth.
      Decision: Penalty given.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Free kick.

      v mancs (a):
      Incident: Penalty claim by us.
      Decision: Goal kick given.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Penalty given for foul on Matip.

      TBC...
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #338: Mar 02, 2019 08:57:09 am
      Day 28 EPL, VAR Quiz:

      City v West Ham:
      Incident:
      Penalty claim by City.
      Decision: Penalty given
      VAR Review? Decision Stands.

      Palace v mancs:
      Incident: Goal Scored by Palace..
      Decision: Free kick given.
      VAR Review? Decision Stands.

      Arsenal v Bournemouth:
      Incident:
      Penalty claim by Arsenal.
      Decision: No action given.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Penalty given.

      Leicester v Brighton:
      Incident:
      Serious Foul Play by Leicester.
      Decision: Free kick, yellow card.
      VAR Review? Decision Changed. Red Card for offender, 4 game ban for second straight red of the season.

      A minimum of 15 incorrect decisions in 40 February games, brings the season total to 86. One coach was fired within a week of a major refereeing error against his side. That is what happens when serious mistakes at the very highest level are allowed to stand.

      Only 100 league games remaining, before errors can be rectified as and when necessary.

      TBC...
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #339: Mar 06, 2019 10:07:29 pm
      VAR :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: I'm all for it as you know but never a penalty  :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #340: Mar 07, 2019 02:33:49 pm
      Was pro the introduction of VAR but having seen some of the decisions like the one last night not sure anymore.
      It’s going to be any ball to hand is a penalty the way they seem to be interpreting things.
      The ruling is supposed to be there to help the officials with players deliberately sticking their arm to block a ball.
      With Refs just looking in slow mo then any slight movement of the arm/hand will look like a penalty.

      And can you imagine the likes of Jon Moss and a Mike Dean making a right decision.

      I know it’s not the fault of VAR and it’s the interpretation in which case leave alone if the Refs are too incompetent to make the right call.
      Maybe the answer is better Refs  :roll:

      All very confusing.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #341: Mar 07, 2019 02:40:29 pm
      I guess someone will have to explain this to me, but why was last night's call in the PSG game such a bad decision? The PSG player jumped and extended his arms away from his body and the ball hit him, is that not a handball?
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      Reply #342: Mar 07, 2019 03:04:04 pm
      I guess someone will have to explain this to me, but why was last night's call in the PSG game such a bad decision? The PSG player jumped and extended his arms away from his body and the ball hit him, is that not a handball?

      The Rules on handball :

      1. The movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)

      2. The distance between the opponent and the ball.

      3. The position of the hand does not necessarily mean there is an offence.

      So last night the player jumps in the air and turns around but his arms are not out vertical making himself larger and besides it’s physically impossible to turn around without movement in your arms.

      The ball is going into the top stand which is slightly irrelevant but would you want every one of these now a penalty.

      And thirdly the Utd players were even more surprised at the decision than Paris.

      Handball has to be a clear and obvious block of the movement of the ball. Not easy to stick your arm/hand out when you have your back turned.
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      Reply #343: Mar 08, 2019 02:12:34 pm
      The Rules on handball :

      1. The movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)

      2. The distance between the opponent and the ball.

      3. The position of the hand does not necessarily mean there is an offence.

      So last night the player jumps in the air and turns around but his arms are not out vertical making himself larger and besides it’s physically impossible to turn around without movement in your arms.

      The ball is going into the top stand which is slightly irrelevant but would you want every one of these now a penalty.

      And thirdly the Utd players were even more surprised at the decision than Paris.

      Handball has to be a clear and obvious block of the movement of the ball. Not easy to stick your arm/hand out when you have your back turned.
      Yep, this really wasn't an issue of VAR letting anyone down, it was an issue of the interpretation of the handball being wrong.
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      Reply #344: Mar 08, 2019 02:15:33 pm
      As reluctant as I am to say it, the defender has no case imo. UEFA have since confirmed that the handball did not pass Rule 2 of the above post, and therefore the VAR decision was correct.

      In Brexit for refs news, no English refs will officiate in the European Cup until they have experience of using VAR in their domestic leagues. They can officiate in this year's UEFA Cup until the final, where VAR is in operation. So until the EPL use it and cut down on those 100+ major errors per season, the likes of Atkinson and Oliver and Taylor have to sit it out.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #345: Mar 29, 2019 08:58:22 am
      Day 29 EPL, VAR Quiz:

      Spurs v Arsenal:
      Incident:
      Penalty claim by Spurs.
      Decision: Penalty given
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Offside given.

      Spurs v Arsenal:
      Incident: Penalty claim by Arsenal.
      Decision: Penalty given.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Goal kick given.

      mancs v Southampton:
      Incident: Penalty claim by Southampton.
      Decision: No action given.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Penalty given.

      TBC...
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      Reply #346: Mar 29, 2019 08:59:25 am
      Day 30 EPL, VAR Quiz:

      City v Watford:
      Incident:
      Goal scored by City.
      Decision: Goal given
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Goal given.

      Newcastle v Everton:
      Incident: Penalty claim by Newcastle.
      Decision: Penalty given.
      VAR Review? Decision Changed. Penalty given. Red card for goalkeeper.

      Newcastle v Everton:
      Incident:
      Goal scored by Newcastle.
      Decision: Goal given.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Offside given.

      Arsenal v mancs:
      Incident: Penalty claim by Arsenal.
      Decision: Penalty given.
      VAR Review? Decision Stands.

      v Burnley (h):
      Incident:
      Goal scored by Burnley.
      Decision: Goal given. Yellow card.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Free kick given.

      All decisions of Week 31 so far have been called correct. Even though the same Leicester player who should have been dismissed when he fouled Mane, was when he tried exactly the same trick again in their game v Burnley. The ref spotted it this time, and did what he had to do. With only half the scheduled games of the round played so far, wrong decisions in the remaining games will feature in later rounds.

      TBC...
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #347: Apr 08, 2019 11:01:16 pm
      What makes me laugh about this thread is how you write "VAR Review: xxx would've happened" as a type of matter-of-fact statement, when in reality football will always be a game of opinions and you have no idea what would've actually been decided.

      I can guarantee that if City's FA Cup semi last Saturday was a Premier League game, you would be writing a note something like this:

      City v Brighton:
      Incident: Serious foul play by Walker.
      Decision: Yellow card
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Red card and 3-match ban for Walker.

      VAR is better than nothing, but it will never be as cut-and-dry as your weekly statements make out to be.
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      Reply #348: Apr 08, 2019 11:15:15 pm
      What makes me laugh about this thread is how you write "VAR Review: xxx would've happened" as a type of matter-of-fact statement, when in reality football will always be a game of opinions and you have no idea what would've actually been decided.

      I can guarantee that if City's FA Cup semi last Saturday was a Premier League game, you would be writing a note something like this:

      City v Brighton:
      Incident: Serious foul play by Walker.
      Decision: Yellow card
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Red card and 3-match ban for Walker.

      VAR is better than nothing, but it will never be as cut-and-dry as your weekly statements make out to be.


      Agreed. It's all well and good saying what would have happened with VAR but they've proven a few times now that it still doesn't get the right decision because you've still got the same useless officials making the decision...as proven by the wonderful Paul Tierney recently - f**king useless on the pitch and f**king useless looking at a screen. Both instances he's had a mare.

      They need to sit down and sieve through to find which current and/or previous officials have made the fewest big errors over whatever period of time and have them reviewing the VAR. Getting the likes of Paul Tierney who has only recently made a shocking call in a game to do it isn't going to make VAR be any significant improvement on how things are now. How you can get a ref who made such a bad call in favour of City only a matter of weeks ago, heading up the VAR for a game that team is again involved in doesn't sit right with me to begin with. That's not just because it's City and the trophies they are chasing, they just happen to be the team involved on both occasions, I'd think it regardless of the team.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #349: Apr 09, 2019 10:30:55 pm
      Just saw Fernandinho's elbow, how the f**k did that not go to VAR and a sending off?

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