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      FATKOPITE10
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #375: May 03, 2019 12:12:50 am
      Is this the thread for alcoholics anonymous?
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #376: May 03, 2019 07:08:09 pm
      Day 34 EPL, VAR Quiz:

      Burnley v Cardiff:
      Incident:
      Penalty claim by Cardiff.
      Decision: No action taken.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Penalty given.

      mancs v West Ham:
      Incident: Goal scored by West Ham
      Decision: Offside given.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Goal given.

      mancs v West Ham:
      Incident:
      Penalty claim by mancs.
      Decision: Penalty given.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Free kick given, yellow card for cheating manc.

      Palace v City:
      Incident:
      Goal scored by City.
      Decision: Goal given.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Offside given.

      Watford v Arsenal:
      Incident:
      Serious Foul Play by Watford.
      Decision: Free kick given. Red Card.
      VAR Review? Decision Stands.

      TBC...
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      Reply #377: May 03, 2019 07:09:02 pm
      Day 35 EPL, VAR Quiz:

      City v Spurs:
      Incident:
      Penalty claim by Spurs.
      Decision: No action taken.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Penalty given for handball.

      West Ham v Leicester:
      Incident:
      Goal scored by West Ham.
      Decision: Offside given.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Goal given.

      TBC...
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      Reply #378: May 03, 2019 07:13:50 pm
      Day 36 EPL, VAR Quiz:

      Burnley v City:
      Incident:
      Penalty claim by City.
      Decision: No action taken.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Penalty given.

      mancs v Chelsea:
      Incident:
      Serious Foul Play by mancs.
      Decision: No action taken.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Free kick given, Red Card for cheating manc for reckless ott challenge.

      As the league heads towards it's conclusion, there have been at least another 10 major errors in April, affecting teams in all areas of the table. Some of them could decide where the title is heading, who finishes in the top four, and the difference between 17th and 18th.

      The good news is there are just 20 league games left to play where human error by referees is tolerated. The bad news is, it's no consolation if the next mistake ultimately determines who finishes in all the above places. At this stage of the season, mistakes by players or officials matter most.

      TBC...
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #379: May 04, 2019 12:44:40 am
      The hypothetical posts continue I see.
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      Reply #380: May 04, 2019 08:49:33 am
      The hypothetical posts continue I see.

      Haha the made up decisions that if were not hypothetically given (no matter how blatant) would then be justified with something like ‘it was all checked by VAR’.

      Fantasy land.
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      Reply #381: May 04, 2019 09:29:36 am
      The hypothetical posts continue I see.

      Haha the made up decisions that if were not hypothetically given (no matter how blatant) would then be justified with something like ‘it was all checked by VAR’.

      Fantasy land.

      Amazing isn't it

      This quiz is the most farcical thread on the boards internet
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #382: May 05, 2019 10:59:23 pm
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      Which doesn't answer my question - WHAT IS THE FUCKING POINT.

      It's just another ref making the same mistake, I'd rather just be mad about a human mistake rather than a human mistake made with the benefit of replay.

      When there's multiple millions of cash resting on a correct decision, it makes sense to have a second opinion to double check major decisions. In football or any other walk of life for that matter. Major human mistakes are neither accepted nor tolerated, and result in serious consequences for those involved.

      The system has already helped to send PSG, Porto, City, and the mancs, packing from this year's European Cup. As regards ourselves, Mane couldn't score in Porto without it, because the human on the field made yet another mistake. So whatever you think of it, the system works.

      As we have seen all season, we need it in our league, we needed it many years ago, and imho it can't come soon enough. In just 5 years time, it will be standard across the board, and we'll be wondering why it was so doggedly delayed and resisted for so long.
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      Reply #383: May 06, 2019 02:10:56 pm
      Everything was checked by VAR within it's remit, and they saw no case to answer.

      So it's utter f**king bullshit and still no one has a f**king clue what's going on.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #384: May 06, 2019 02:15:36 pm
      The hypothetical posts continue I see.

      TBC
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      Reply #385: May 11, 2019 06:02:55 pm
      This could go in a number of topics, but as it's related to VAR, here it is. Interesting stats.

      https://twitter.com/RoyalAnfield/status/1127221415474655232?s=19
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      Reply #386: May 11, 2019 09:53:54 pm
      So it's utter f**king bullshit and still no one has a f**king clue what's going on.

      sums it up for me perfectly.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #387: May 31, 2019 08:50:50 pm
      Day 38 EPL, VAR Quiz:

      Burnley v Arsenal:
      Incident:
      Penalty claim by Burnley.
      Decision: Free kick given to Arsenal, yellow card.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Penalty given.

       v Wolves (h):
      Incident: Goal Scored by us.
      Decision: Goal given.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Offside.

      Watford v West Ham:
      Incident:
      Serious Foul Play by Watford.
      Decision: Free kick, Red Card.
      VAR Review? Decision Changed. Free kick, yellow card given.

      Fulham v Newcastle:
      Incident:
      Goal Scored by Fulham.
      Decision: Offside given.
      VAR Review? Decision Overturned. Goal given.

      4 errors on the final day brings the minimum total to 110 errors over the season up and down the league, that VAR's could have put right on the spot.

      VAR is here from now on to put things right and see justice done, when it's supposed to be done. Judging by the amount of times they have had to step in and bail officials out in other leagues, it will be a regular feature in the EPL. VAR is not designed to re-referee a game, it's a safety net for referees to ensure the big decisions are correct, so that no team gets what they shouldn't, and no team is hard done by. The questions and the answers over VAR will rage on and on into the future, but this particular quiz is over and this logbook of EPL errors is now closed.
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      Reply #388: May 31, 2019 09:38:06 pm
      that VAR's could have put right on the spot.

      Exactly, could have, there is nothing to say it would have.

      VAR is not designed to re-referee a game, it's a safety net for referees to ensure the big decisions are correct, so that no team gets what they shouldn't, and no team is hard done by.

      No, it’s been designed because the officials are f**king incompetent and getting worse season by season and this is their way out. Trouble is, you still have the same shithouse, incompetent officials reviewing the VAR. It will still be the opinions of the likes of Paul Tierney...

      but this particular quiz is over and this logbook of EPL errors is now closed.

      This was a quiz? I thought for a quiz other people had to take part and the person running it actually had to know the answers. As it goes, this has been a 16 page topic largely based on your hypothetical opinion of the situations.
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      Reply #389: Jun 07, 2019 03:02:52 pm
      It's not exactly Mastermind. It's no more a quiz than VAR is only for clear and obvious errors. As there is a ? after each incident, I went with "quiz" at the start, then had to stick to it.

      All incidents recorded were not hypothetical, they all happened, and would all be liable to be reviewed by a VAR. Most had clear and obvious solutions, some were subjective, and a handful of decisions would be allowed to stand, as is the case with VAR atm.

      Some of the subjective answers are hypothetical, because they have to be. We can't make them factual, as the clubs refused to use the resources available. Even professional refs can't agree on certain decisions. It doesn't mean the wrong decision was made, it does mean it can go either way, but a decision still has to be made.

      Regardless whether Tierney specifically is making decisions or not, as he will sometimes, VAR has a 99.3% accuracy rate. It's as close to waterproof as we can get. Therefore the amount of ref errors in the league will be drastically reduced from now on. Even Tierney will get them right.

      Many other sports have used technology for 2 to 3 decades, longer in some cases. It's now 2019. It's about time we caught up with what other leagues, let alone other sports, have available as routine.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #390: Jun 19, 2019 09:56:26 pm
      Firstly I know 'it's the rules' but it's a stupid rule having watched this Scotland game.

      VAR is going to kill penalties to the point where you might as well just give a penalty goal.
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      Reply #391: Jun 19, 2019 11:59:47 pm
      I'm sure it's the first thing a goalkeeper at any level is told when facing a penalty. "Stay on your line before it's taken". So keepers should be fully aware of that. If they don't, I'm sure they know what can happen. With VAR, it does happen.

      In other news from the ongoing Copa America, 3 goals by Brazil were wrongly given on the pitch in a game. The VAR spotted each one and had them ruled out. No bias, no home town decisions, no small team opponent suffering from refereeing errors. Justice was done in each case, and the game finished 0-0.

      In the opening game, the handball jinx struck Bolivia against Brazil, and VAR was needed to see the automatic penalty awarded. The difference about this one, was that we could hear the ref communicating with the VAR officials. The language may have been Spanish, but that can be translated within seconds. We can and should hear communication between the officials during reviews. We need more of it, for transparency if nothing else.
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      Reply #392: Jun 20, 2019 11:29:58 am
      utter bollox Goalkeepers have been moving since the first penalty was taken. They cannot save a penalty with one foot anchored down.
      We need fewer mistakes not perfection in every decision made this is an accountants way of dealing with the issue (sorry accountants) and its going to ruin atmosphere in grounds as we all wait to celebrate a goal once VAR has given it.
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      Reply #393: Jun 20, 2019 12:46:24 pm
      Aye. It is a clear rule.. but the problem we have is the application of those rules.

      In this case, they are taking a draconian approach. Applying the wording in a literal sense, and checking that by VAR to ensure it is literal. As in, not even a cm off the line... which is entirely stupid. If we start applying football rules in this manner, the whole game will fall apart.

      Are we going to check how the throw ins are taken? Are we going to look at obstruction cases? Feigning and simulation all over the pitch? Corners - how they are taken and awarded?

      FIFA are merely picking and choosing. In this moment they want to make a big thing of the goalkeeper, so they emphasised the rule on 1 June 2019 before the tournament began. But what about the players running into the box before the ball is kicked? That's also against the rules.. but is being ignored.

      The problem with VAR is the absolute bias that is clear to everyone except lfc across the water. The officials can pick and choose what they want to check and even then how they interpret it.

      This rule with how the goalkeepers act is just ridiculous. Once the mistake has happened, and the penalty repeated, the goal is almost guaranteed as the keeper can barely move. Just consider the situation where a 'yellow carded' keeper is trying to save a penalty whilst trying to avoid a second yellow by making the slightest error !!
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #394: Jun 20, 2019 02:08:56 pm
      The Premier League are not applying the goalkeeper rule to VAR next season.

      https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48703852
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      Reply #395: Jun 20, 2019 06:07:57 pm
      Good,absolute bollox of a rule.
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      Reply #396: Jun 20, 2019 07:37:26 pm
      Quote from waltonl4
      utter bollox Goalkeepers have been moving since the first penalty was taken. They cannot save a penalty with one foot anchored down.
      We need fewer mistakes not perfection in every decision made this is an accountants way of dealing with the issue (sorry accountants) and its going to ruin atmosphere in grounds as we all wait to celebrate a goal once VAR has given it.

      It has always been the keeper's responsibility to stay on their line before a penalty is taken. They know that, so they can't complain when it's spotted and enforced. In the latest case, a keeper went early, and was therefore able to save it. It could have kept her team in the World Cup, and it would have been wrong.  Can't have that unfortunately. I think a yellow for it is harsh, but that's the rules.

      People still celebrate after goals in VAR  games, that end up having to be disallowed. I still laugh at Guardiola running around the touchline in the City v Spurs game, only to have his head in his hands 30 seconds later. ;D And people say there's no emotion anymore.

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      Aye. It is a clear rule.. but the problem we have is the application of those rules.

      In this case, they are taking a draconian approach. Applying the wording in a literal sense, and checking that by VAR to ensure it is literal. As in, not even a cm off the line... which is entirely stupid. If we start applying football rules in this manner, the whole game will fall apart.

      Are we going to check how the throw ins are taken? Are we going to look at obstruction cases? Feigning and simulation all over the pitch? Corners - how they are taken and awarded?

      This rule with how the goalkeepers act is just ridiculous. Once the mistake has happened, and the penalty repeated, the goal is almost guaranteed as the keeper can barely move. Just consider the situation where a 'yellow carded' keeper is trying to save a penalty whilst trying to avoid a second yellow by making the slightest error !!

      That's what they have to do. They know they can't move off their line. In fact, the rules used to be even tougher, as in no movement on the line whatsoever. The goalkeeper rule is not for decoration, it's there for a reason. But if you allow them to stand wherever they want, you may as well let them go to the edge of their 6 yard box to face a penalty, after all what is there to stop them? Lets see how much people like that, ruining the game.

      Atm, throw ins, corners and free kicks are not awarded by a VAR. A VAR is not there to re-ref a game, it's to ensure that all goals and major decisions are valid, as per the laws of the game.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #397: Jun 20, 2019 08:37:06 pm
      The Premier League are not applying the goalkeeper rule to VAR next season.

      https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48703852

      Some common sense at last.
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      Reply #398: Jun 21, 2019 12:05:19 pm

      Pretty sure this was always the case mate, despite the hysteria on here.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #399: Jun 21, 2019 03:48:51 pm
      So if the prem are not using var to enforce this on the line sh*te does that mean it's down to the game officials to spot it or will they let it go?

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