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      Re: VAR
      Reply #750: Jan 02, 2020 06:03:29 pm
      Villa just scored a cracking goal but rule out for offside when even with a naked eye it wasn't. The player accused of being offside had his back to goal and his heel has been given offside even though it wasn't . A farce , a joke, inept, killing the game and players hanging around in the cold whilst some pr**k in a dark room plays GOD

      Couldn’t believe that, it must have been literally the heel of his boot. Do you remember up until a few years ago I think, for a good 10 years+ the likes of Adidas were making boots with a big plastic bit on the outside part on the heel of their boots? I never thought the day would come where by having something like that on your boot will now be the difference of a goal standing or not due to offside.

      There’s been some ridiculous ones so far but that one against Villa sealed it I think so it’s no wonder there’s now talk of the managers demanding change and the potential of the Premier League having the right to use VAR taken away.

      There were always going to be faults with it but its been nothing short of an embarrassment. Did you see Wesley didn’t even bother celebrating his goal until it had been confirmed it was allowed to stand, even though he was clearly onside. That’s what the game has come to.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #751: Jan 02, 2020 06:09:29 pm
      Couldn’t believe that, it must have been literally the heel of his boot. Do you remember up until a few years ago I think, for a good 10 years+ the likes of Adidas were making boots with a big plastic bit on the outside part on the heel of their boots? I never thought the day would come where by having something like that on your boot will now be the difference of a goal standing or not due to offside.

      There’s been some ridiculous ones so far but that one against Villa sealed it I think so it’s no wonder there’s now talk of the managers demanding change and the potential of the Premier League having the right to use VAR taken away.

      There were always going to be faults with it but ta been nothing short of an embarrassment. Did you see Wesley didn’t even bother celebrating his goal until it had been confirmed it was allowed to stand, even though he was clearly onside. That’s what the game has come to.

      it is what happens when you let the lunatics out of the nuthouse. Soulless life sucking FA Types who just cant see the damage they are doing. The Villa goal was a great goal it was criminal to disallow it. Players should score and then sit down in protest until the goal is awarded
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #752: Jan 02, 2020 06:18:25 pm
      Thats a screen shot as no Webb on it  :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

      Webb is the one taking the picture.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #753: Jan 02, 2020 07:57:45 pm
      Webb is the one taking the picture.

       :lmao:
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      Reply #754: Jan 03, 2020 01:50:15 pm
      Hated the idea of VAR, hated it since day 1 & hate it now! 

      I was at the Wolves game with the 2 big VAR decisions in 5 mins & even though both decisions went in our favour, I still hate it!!  The delay both times was torture for both sets of fans and I genuinely believe that if it carries on in it's current guise, it will cause crowd trouble (if it hasn't already).

      Anyway, looking forward to being declared champions later this season (fingers crossed!) with an * to denote this was the 1st season of VAR (a la City & Everton fans).
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      Reply #755: Jan 03, 2020 04:58:58 pm
      So the fa are gonna use var in some games in the cup,but not in others?Really are stupid people running the game.
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      Reply #756: Jan 03, 2020 08:58:41 pm
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      I hope they follow through with this in England (although I don't know why we need to wait until after February). It seems to have been implemented in Germany much more smoothly. Something else I've seen there that I've never seen in England so far is where an incident will happen in the area, nothing is given by the center so play continues for a few seconds and then the center ref blows his whistle (obviously getting communication) and points to the spot (not checking a monitor but just changing the call). And it is understood immediately THAT is the decision. Seems like there is more trust and less ego in the overruling of a decision.

      When it was introduced in Germany, the fans didn't take it well either. While one famous game saw the ref blow the half time whistle before looking at a VAR incident. He overturned his decision, awarded a penalty, and ordered all the players back out for it to be taken. Now you can say that's crazy, but that was a relegation six pointer and the correct decision was eventually made. There's nothing to stop it happening in the EPL either. Calls can be reviewed even if the ref has already blown for half/full time, in order for justice to be done.

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      Villa just scored a cracking goal but rule out for offside when even with a naked eye it wasn't. The player accused of being offside had his back to goal and his heel has been given offside even though it wasn't . A farce , a joke, inept, killing the game and players hanging around in the cold whilst some pr**k in a dark room plays GOD

      We had a similar debate here during the WWC, when a Cameroon goal v England was ruled out because a high heel was offside. Most agreed it was the correct decision then, and it's still the correct decision now.

      Cracking goals have been ruled out in games since the year dot, for all sorts of reasons. The only difference now is, we know it's the correct decision.

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      See when every top profesional who ever played is ripping it to shreds

      Of course they are, they realise that all the cheating and the dark arts they used to get away with, is no more. Now if they try it, they get found out in a couple of minutes max, and punished there and then.

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      Hated the idea of VAR, hated it since day 1 & hate it now! 

      I was at the Wolves game with the 2 big VAR decisions in 5 mins & even though both decisions went in our favour, I still hate it!!  The delay both times was torture for both sets of fans and I genuinely believe that if it carries on in it's current guise, it will cause crowd trouble (if it hasn't already).

      Anyway, looking forward to being declared champions later this season (fingers crossed!) with an * to denote this was the 1st season of VAR (a la City & Everton fans).

      So you hate VAR, yet you still go to games, knowing VAR may be needed.

      There's more than enough delays for injuries set pieces and substitutions as it is. If people are at games in another sport, everyone celebrates, then just waits for the officials to use the technology they have available of necessary, and it should be no different at a football game. It's not very difficult to do, it's not torture, the correct decision is essential at the highest level of professional sport. Nothing makes me happier about VAR than when a decision goes in our favour, as it vindicates why I want it. And when they went in our favour against Wolves, most of us celebrated them. Love it or hate it, it's not going away. It's part and parcel of the game now.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #757: Jan 08, 2020 11:54:40 pm
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #758: Jan 10, 2020 10:17:55 pm
      You go the match to see the ball hit the back of the net. You don't go to watch a f**king screen say "goal" or "no goal"

      I don't care what other sports do. Cricket is absolutely sh*te. This is football - stop this madness
      « Last Edit: Jan 10, 2020 11:55:24 pm by TameImpala »
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #759: Jan 10, 2020 10:25:20 pm
      Ball hit his hand in the build up - nothing to do with VAR really more the sh*te new handball rules.

      Still hate VAR though!!
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      Reply #760: Jan 10, 2020 10:36:31 pm
      Ball hit his hand in the build up - nothing to do with VAR really more the sh*te new handball rules.

      Still hate VAR though!!

      it is VAR because the Ref didn't see it and without VAR the goal stands and rightly so. He was running and the ball came of the oppo's head close to him unless you can run with your hands down by your side they were in a natural position and did not move towards the ball. Pathetic rule yet again developed by people who have no idea how badly they are treating the fans they are robbing them
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      Reply #761: Jan 11, 2020 08:50:56 am
      it is VAR because the Ref didn't see it and without VAR the goal stands and rightly so. He was running and the ball came of the oppo's head close to him unless you can run with your hands down by your side they were in a natural position and did not move towards the ball. Pathetic rule yet again developed by people who have no idea how badly they are treating the fans they are robbing them

      What if VAR didn’t exist and the PL had adopted those useless officials behind the goal line.
      One of them spots the handball and disallows the goal. Are you ok because a human being has seen it not a camera?
      It’s the rule that’s at fault not the way the transgression is spotted.


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      Reply #762: Jan 11, 2020 09:42:52 am
      it is VAR because the Ref didn't see it and without VAR the goal stands and rightly so. He was running and the ball came of the oppo's head close to him unless you can run with your hands down by your side they were in a natural position and did not move towards the ball. Pathetic rule yet again developed by people who have no idea how badly they are treating the fans they are robbing them

      The defender clears the ball but Rice handles it back into his path, whether it's intentional or not is irrelevant, if the ball doesn't hit his hand then it wouldn't be a goal.
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      Reply #763: Jan 11, 2020 11:36:42 am
      The defender clears the ball but Rice handles it back into his path, whether it's intentional or not is irrelevant, if the ball doesn't hit his hand then it wouldn't be a goal.

      you get the award for stating the bleedin obvious and completely missing the poin all in one post.
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      Reply #764: Jan 11, 2020 03:03:40 pm
      The defender clears the ball but Rice handles it back into his path, whether it's intentional or not is irrelevant, if the ball doesn't hit his hand then it wouldn't be a goal.

      What happened to ball to hand, because that's what that was last night.
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      Reply #765: Jan 11, 2020 06:18:06 pm
      What happened to ball to hand, because that's what that was last night.

      They've changed the rules so VAR 'works'.
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      Reply #766: Jan 11, 2020 06:32:55 pm
      never in a million years did Hendo handle that VAR should never have been involved I FUCKIN HATE IT
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      Reply #767: Jan 12, 2020 10:47:34 pm
      sick of all these cu*ts calling us liVARpool  ...yeah like since it's been introduced, the only way we have won 20 out of 21 games is because VAR has ruled in our favor.

      Delusional Cu*ts!!!
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      Reply #768: Jan 17, 2020 11:57:48 pm
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      You go the match to see the ball hit the back of the net. You don't go to watch a f**king screen say "goal" or "no goal"

      I don't care what other sports do.

      I go to games to see us win, not to see opponents score and beat us because of a wrong decision(s). You are lucky enough to go often, and are now aware that every goal and penalty appeal given/rejected for both sides, is subject to review. You still hand over whatever it costs you to attend these days.

      Watching the recent Sky VAR special on previous Liverpool v manc games in the past, just hammered home again why we need it. From the incidents they showed, we should have had 4 penalties more than we got, they were given 2 more than they should have, while they could have had at least 3 players dismissed for trying out their karate skills on our players, including their current manager, but unfortunately they all stayed on the pitch. All of those were wrong decisions, and obviously we lost some of those games. It's simply not good enough at this level.

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      it is VAR because the Ref didn't see it and without VAR the goal stands and rightly so. He was running and the ball came of the oppo's head close to him unless you can run with your hands down by your side they were in a natural position and did not move towards the ball. Pathetic rule yet again developed by people who have no idea how badly they are treating the fans they are robbing them

      The ghost goal was rightly disallowed.
      We have rules in the sport for a reason. The handball rule about goals scored is now clear as day. As the ref didn't see it, the VAR did what he is required to do as per the laws of the game. It was a great spot, because there's no way Oliver could spot it himself.

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      never in a million years did Hendo handle that VAR should never have been involved I FUCKIN HATE IT

      We know you hate it, not that it will make any difference. VAR is "involved" in every goal, given or not.

      We're amongst the leading clubs this season for VAR decisions going in our favour, but we've had a goal ruled out for the handball rule this season. I didn't like it, but it was the correct decision so I accepted it instantly and got on with the rest of the game. Without VAR we would not have beaten Wolves, Leicester would not have lost to Southampton, along with numerous other results going against us, and we wouldn't have anything near the lead we have now. You could cut the current gap in half for starters, and keep counting. 

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      So the fa are gonna use var in some games in the cup,but not in others?Really are stupid people running the game.

      Same situation as last season. All games from the 6th Round will have VAR in operation.

      Riley has given in to allow limited use of the monitor for red card offences. Oliver used the pitch monitor on the FA Cup weekend, only after giving the initial decision, punishment, and gone through the mandatory VAR check. Most observers said they were happy enough with him using the monitor, as they clearly didn't see the entire 5 minute long stoppage from play being stopped to the player leaving the pitch. Now that was just one incident in one game, if that happens 3-4 times per game every week, you will see people begging for the monitor not to be used, and will see why Riley is so against it.
      « Last Edit: Jan 18, 2020 12:51:16 am by lfc across the water »
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #769: Jan 18, 2020 08:10:03 am
      I go to games to see us win, not to see opponents score and beat us because of a wrong decision(s). You are lucky enough to go often, and are now aware that every goal and penalty appeal given/rejected for both sides, is subject to review. You still hand over whatever it costs you to attend these days.

      Watching the recent Sky VAR special on previous Liverpool v manc games in the past, just hammered home again why we need it. From the incidents they showed, we should have had 4 penalties more than we got, they were given 2 more than they should have, while they could have had at least 3 players dismissed for trying out their karate skills on our players, including their current manager, but unfortunately they all stayed on the pitch. All of those were wrong decisions, and obviously we lost some of those games. It's simply not good enough at this level.

      As I've said time again people will still go & people will still watch but the experience is now nowhere near as good. If one of your uncles or cousins is a bit of a knobhead, you don't refuse to go family parties or christenings, but they make the experience worse for you.

      On the subject of VAR at Utd games - VAR fu**ed us over last time we played Utd (foul on Origi for the 1st goal)
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      Reply #770: Jan 18, 2020 09:13:26 am
      As I've said time again people will still go & people will still watch but the experience is now nowhere near as good. If one of your uncles or cousins is a bit of a knobhead, you don't refuse to go family parties or christenings, but they make the experience worse for you.

      On the subject of VAR at Utd games - VAR fu**ed us over last time we played Utd (foul on Origi for the 1st goal)
      Your wasting your time .
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      Reply #771: Jan 19, 2020 11:59:25 am
      Arsenal game Mike Dean doesn't give a penalty goes to VAR where its clear and obviously a penalty but  Martin f***in Atkinson says no penalty so VAR still hasn't overcome the problem that we have which is SHIT referees
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      Reply #772: Jan 19, 2020 12:14:26 pm
      Arsenal game Mike Dean doesn't give a penalty goes to VAR where its clear and obviously a penalty but  Martin f***in Atkinson says no penalty so VAR still hasn't overcome the problem that we have which is SHIT referees

      He hates VAR as much as some fans do. Which is why he opposes almost every VAR call. He has fear of robots or remote referees taking over his real on the pitch job.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #773: Jan 20, 2020 09:30:02 pm
      yesterday
      rules say keeper needs to have ball in control De Gea never had the ball under control VVD jumped for the ball with his arms by his side
      ref never gave it but the tw*ts 100 miles away in the VAR says it a foul
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #774: Jan 27, 2020 03:59:02 pm
      No VAR again...Robbed again...2nd time this season... :mad: :mad:

      At least normal service will be back for the replay, so they will only get penalties they should get.

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