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      Re: VAR
      Reply #775: Jan 27, 2020 04:14:10 pm
      No VAR again...Robbed again...2nd time this season... :mad: :mad:

      At least normal service will be back for the replay, so they will only get penalties they should get.

      Well yes and no because if it was a free kick our full back would probably have been getting an early shower.
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      Reply #776: Jan 27, 2020 06:01:19 pm
      Well yes and no because if it was a free kick our full back would probably have been getting an early shower.

      To be honest he may as well have been sent off for all the good he done after that, completely lost his head and froze. Nearly all he done after that was constantly boot the ball out of play for a throw.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #777: Jan 28, 2020 01:14:55 am
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      Well yes and no because if it was a free kick our full back would probably have been getting an early shower.

      And if that happened, I couldn't argue with it, as he would have taken one for the team. Besides, it's easier to defend a free kick than a penalty. But the wrong decision was given, and the tie was completely turned in 10 minutes. We've had 4 games without VAR this season, 2 of them have seen wrong decisions that have led to goals against us.

      We got a blast from the past yesterday. Every game we play in all competitions from now on has VAR, but the human error system has already cost us a cup replay and a load of aggro. We're just lucky it hasn't cost us the cup for yet another year.
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      Reply #778: Jan 28, 2020 02:09:17 am
      And if that happened, I couldn't argue with it, as he would have taken one for the team. Besides, it's easier to defend a free kick than a penalty. But the wrong decision was given, and the tie was completely turned in 10 minutes. We've had 4 games without VAR this season, 2 of them have seen wrong decisions that have led to goals against us.

      We got a blast from the past yesterday. Every game we play in all competitions from now on has VAR, but the human error system has already cost us a cup replay and a load of aggro. We're just lucky it hasn't cost us the cup for yet another year.

      Knock it off, it ain't like the game has significantly changed.

      But what it does show is the stupid f**king way the FA are using it in the FA Cup. Quite simply if it can't be used in every game of the competition it shouldn't be used at all in the Cups.
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      Reply #779: Jan 28, 2020 03:39:03 am
      Well yes and no because if it was a free kick our full back would probably have been getting an early shower.

      I still thought he cleared the ball first. They didn't show a proper replay of it, The Ref took a few seconds to point to the spot as well.

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      Reply #780: Jan 29, 2020 10:59:38 am
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      Knock it off, it ain't like the game has significantly changed.

      Yes it has. They get their penalty, score it, have momentum, score again soon afterwards, and get their replay. That all comes from the wrong decision given.

      VAR should be in every game, but it's not a case of every game or not at all. No two games are the same.
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      Reply #781: Jan 29, 2020 11:36:46 am
      Why hasn't everyone got over var yet?

      I understand it gives sky sports news, journalists etc minutes to fill, copy to make but for me I'm quite chilled about it. For quite a while now, quite early in the season really, I just got used to the fact that it was going to have teething troubles, it's here to stay and getting worked up about it was pointless.

      Just think of it as an elongated offside decision, just a bit more accurate. 😉
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      Reply #782: Jan 29, 2020 11:44:27 am
      Why hasn't everyone got over var yet?

      I understand it gives sky sports news, journalists etc minutes to fill, copy to make but for me I'm quite chilled about it. For quite a while now, quite early in the season really, I just got used to the fact that it was going to have teething troubles, it's here to stay and getting worked up about it was pointless.

      Just think of it as an elongated offside decision, just a bit more accurate. 😉

      Do you reckon it's here to stay?

      Surely it's possible for Premier League clubs to have another vote on it and bin it off? With the vast majority of supporters against it there'll be a lot of pressure put on the clubs to vote to revoke
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      Reply #783: Jan 29, 2020 11:49:55 am
      Do you reckon it's here to stay?

      Surely it's possible for Premier League clubs to have another vote on it and bin it off? With the vast majority of supporters against it there'll be a lot of pressure put on the clubs to vote to revoke

      Honestly mate it's here to stay, everybody will debate it all season and then when the end of season stats for var come in all those debates will fade away and it'll be 100% justified to be kept on by those stats.

      It'll get a major rework during the summer with some refinements to try and make it more acceptable to the palate but it'll be back next season and every season after.

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      Reply #784: Jan 29, 2020 03:42:55 pm
      Why hasn't everyone got over var yet?

      I understand it gives sky sports news, journalists etc minutes to fill, copy to make but for me I'm quite chilled about it. For quite a while now, quite early in the season really, I just got used to the fact that it was going to have teething troubles, it's here to stay and getting worked up about it was pointless.

      Just think of it as an elongated offside decision, just a bit more accurate. 😉

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      Reply #785: Jan 31, 2020 08:59:06 pm
      Quote from TameImpala
      Do you reckon it's here to stay?

      Surely it's possible for Premier League clubs to have another vote on it and bin it off?

      No it's not. As Austin called for in his interview last season, referees need help. So you cannot go back to a less accurate form of officiating. It is neither practical nor realistic.
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      Reply #786: Jan 31, 2020 09:03:36 pm
      Referees didn't need more help, they just needed arseholes to realise that mistakes happen and not expect a human to be perfect. In ground VAR has been atrocious, watching on TV had been appalling and it's destroyed so much of the decent, earnest football conversation on highlight and review shows and podcasts.
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      Reply #787: Feb 01, 2020 11:59:53 am
      The system itself isn’t the problem, the problem is that you’ve got the same idiots in control of it that led to there needing to be changes in the first place.

      It’s like putting someone who keeps getting done for grand theft auto in charge of a car garage.
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      Reply #788: Feb 03, 2020 10:59:40 pm
      From the "We are top of the league" thread....

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      But Mike Dean was chronic yesterday....Missed the horror tackle by Sterling on Dele Ali, despite being 2 yards away Missed the clear penalty..then failed to see Lloris come off his line to make the save..then gives a Penalty for a Sterling dive..VAR overturned it..then fails to book Sterling and send him off for second yellow..then Books Zinchenko even tho about 7 players did much the same as him, which meant he was sent off for a second yellow later on.

      He got just about every important decision wrong. Mike Dean...worst ref performance of the season.

      He was at least 20 yards away from the penalty incident at the time, and unable to see it.

      He did not award a penalty for a dive. He gave a goal kick. VAR reviewed the penalty claim and rejected it. The goal kick was then taken.

      One respected media outlet looking for headlines, called it a game packed with VAR decisions. In reality, there was one decision changed by VAR. There were 3 decisions made by VAR at the weekend, the average number per weekend, all correct, and showing again why it is necessary. In the league so far,

      75 wrong decisions (outrages/injustices/diving/cheating) changed. 1/3.3 games

      9 Goals awarded
      35 ghost goals disallowed.

      12 more penalties awarded than last season.
      4 ghost penalties (outrages/injustices/diving/cheating) cancelled.

      3 red cards rescinded i.e 3 players saved from automatic 3 game bans they would serve without VAR in operation.

      Mistaken Identity cases: 0.

      Average time taken per decision: 91 seconds.

      I'm sure the EPL/PGMOL can just roll out them stats when people sing about VAR and can't come up with alternatives.
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      Reply #789: Feb 04, 2020 05:53:02 am
      From the "We are top of the league" thread....

      He was at least 20 yards away from the penalty incident at the time, and unable to see it.

      He did not award a penalty for a dive. He gave a goal kick. VAR reviewed the penalty claim and rejected it. The goal kick was then taken.

      One respected media outlet looking for headlines, called it a game packed with VAR decisions. In reality, there was one decision changed by VAR. There were 3 decisions made by VAR at the weekend, the average number per weekend, all correct, and showing again why it is necessary. In the league so far,

      75 wrong decisions (outrages/injustices/diving/cheating) changed. 1/3.3 games

      9 Goals awarded
      35 ghost goals disallowed.

      12 more penalties awarded than last season.
      4 ghost penalties (outrages/injustices/diving/cheating) cancelled.

      3 red cards rescinded i.e 3 players saved from automatic 3 game bans they would serve without VAR in operation.

      Mistaken Identity cases: 0.

      Average time taken per decision: 91 seconds.

      I'm sure the EPL/PGMOL can just roll out them stats when people sing about VAR and can't come up with alternatives.


      Yet f**k all about the Firmino incident


      VAR is ruining football - simple as that
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      Reply #790: Feb 04, 2020 06:56:41 am

      Yet f**k all about the Firmino incident


      VAR is ruining football - simple as that

      Yes what's your take on the Firmino incident lfcatw?

      Surely you can't defend VAR on that one 🙄
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      Reply #792: Feb 04, 2020 05:46:06 pm

      Yet f**k all about the Firmino incident


      VAR is ruining football - simple as that

      you cant celebrate a goal anymore and celebrate the opposition having a goal taken away because of VAR should not be the loudest cheer of the match its killing the atmosphere in the grounds
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      Reply #793: Feb 04, 2020 10:59:09 pm
      v Shrewsbury:

      Wrong decision against us: Replay.
      Correct decision for us: Next Round.

      And the atmosphere when the injustice was put right, was as loud as ever.

      Amazing how good football is when the right decisions are made. Fair Play in action and justice done.
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      Reply #794: Feb 04, 2020 11:02:22 pm
      v Shrewsbury:

      Wrong decision against us: Replay.
      Correct decision for us: Next Round.

      And the atmosphere when the injustice was put right, was as loud as ever.

      Amazing how good football is when the right decisions are made. Fair Play in action and justice done.

      my god you are a VAR bore.
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      Reply #795: Feb 05, 2020 06:49:07 am
      v Shrewsbury:

      Wrong decision against us: Replay.
      Correct decision for us: Next Round.

      And the atmosphere when the injustice was put right, was as loud as ever.

      Amazing how good football is when the right decisions are made. Fair Play in action and justice done.

      Still no comment on the Bobby incident?
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      Reply #796: Feb 05, 2020 10:26:42 am
      VAR should not be the loudest cheer of the match its killing the atmosphere in the grounds

      I think the ever increasing ticket prices, pricing out the traditional support have had some impact on the 'atmosphere' inside grounds.

      At least VAR gives the opportunity for an extra cheer after each goal - it kind of 'doubles' the atmosphere at most stadiums in this country.

      VAR is levelling the playing field.  The sheer number of decisions that have been overridden only goes to prove just how often referees get decisions wrong.  And remember, VAR isn't even checking all the decisions.  Corners, throw ins etc are all still decision that refs get wrong with impunity.

      Last night's Shrewsbury 'goal' WAS offside.  VAR didn't decide it was offside - it just was.  If the officials have doubts about offside they let the game run and then VAR corrects the decision.  That's a damn sight better IMO than flagging for offside, incorrectly, and a team perhaps being denied a legal goalscoring opportunity.

      I'm a big fan of the team that deserves to win, winning games.  Far too many matches in my lifetime have had their results altered due to bad decisions leading to questions about referee bias etc.  It's no surprise to me that VAR's introduction has coincided with some of the 'big clubs' having such a sh*te season - think a lot of them (and probably us too at periods) have had a lot of 'help' from officials.
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      Reply #797: Feb 05, 2020 10:31:44 am
      75 wrong decisions (outrages/injustices/diving/cheating) changed. 1/3.3 games

      That figure seems about what I expected.  1 VAR intervention in every 3.3 games.

      I'd say on a standard Premier League weekend there used to be about 3 games tainted by incorrect decisions, offside goals, penalty dives, wrong penalties awarded etc.

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      Reply #798: Feb 05, 2020 11:58:18 am
      For the life of me I cannot grasp the thinking of ex players, pundits,even supporters who say VAR is of detriment to the game.

      It needs fine tuning and some adjustment of course but any opportunity to rectify the decisions of the likes of the clown Atkinson can only be a step in the right direction.
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      Reply #799: Feb 05, 2020 01:02:44 pm
      For the life of me I cannot grasp the thinking of ex players, pundits,even supporters who say VAR is of detriment to the game.

      It needs fine tuning and some adjustment of course but any opportunity to rectify the decisions of the likes of the clown Atkinson can only be a step in the right direction.

      nobody will argue that getting the right decision is always preferable but when it takes so long or we are then drawing lines on  a screen  not even sure if the ball has left the players foot its gone too far.  Judging a penalty decision is still subjective Aguero at the weekend seemed soft but you cant see the contact on TV clearly and the Ref in this case had a good view. VAR was supposed to clear up debate its causing more now. Nothing wrong with the technology maybe its the numpties who use it and apply it are the problem

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