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      Keith Singleton
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      Reply #900: Oct 21, 2020 09:26:38 am
      Tbh Keith nothing about about the FA makes any sense to me & I’d go as far as to say that you’d get more sense out of a new born baby.

      I know mate, think I'd like to go back to the old way now where human error involved, sounds silly I know but least we can celebrate a goal again after a quick look at the ref/linesman to see if whistle/flag goes for offside.

      At the same side when it is offside but not given we turn round and say it evens it self out over a season.  :lmao:  Qute simply football isn't as enjoyable at the moment like it used to be.

      It's so hard to get excited when your team score due to VAR. Hell you can't even jump when you score or miss a penalty as it might have to be re taken again.  :f_doh:
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      Reply #901: Oct 21, 2020 06:15:33 pm
      I know mate, think I'd like to go back to the old way now where human error involved, sounds silly I know but least we can celebrate a goal again after a quick look at the ref/linesman to see if whistle/flag goes for offside.

      At the same side when it is offside but not given we turn round and say it evens it self out over a season.  :lmao:  Qute simply football isn't as enjoyable at the moment like it used to be.

      It's so hard to get excited when your team score due to VAR. Hell you can't even jump when you score or miss a penalty as it might have to be re taken again.  :f_doh:
      Couldn’t agree more Keith,I never wanted it in the first place in all honesty,maybe being in my 50’s has something to do with it & im old school.
      I hear & read  that it balances itself out over the season,well so did the vast majority of matches before VAR
      Like you ,For me it’s just sucking the life,flow & enjoyment out of the game.
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      Reply #902: Oct 24, 2020 11:53:40 pm
      For me, it has the opposite effect. It makes me watch more neutral games that normally I wouldn't bat an eyelid about. Will VAR be used? When/Why/How/How many times? Will the goal stand/Will it be a penalty/red card? Will a punishment be upgraded/downgraded? Is there an offside? Was there a foul in the build up? What about  the monitor? How will an overturned decision affect the result?

      I haven't been in a stadium in 12 months, mostly because we've all been locked out of every stadium you can think of, but also because where I am, there is no VAR or any form of technology at all in the domestic league. Saying it balances out over time is no consolation. I need the right decision now, not a lucky break when we're already winning 4-0 in a dead rubber, 6 months later.

      Finally, and this is a general point, if people struggle to get excited about watching our games while we're domestic and World champions, then I struggle to think how they coped when we were struggling to finish fourth, or even the top half of the table. These days are paradise here compared to 4-4 draws at home to Chesterfield or trailing to Havant and Waterlooville at home or losing to Blackpool home and away in one season, to name just three. You could use many words to describe them, but fun and excitement were neither.
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      Reply #903: Oct 25, 2020 02:26:34 am
      Yawn yawn.

      It is corrupt.  In the last week I have realised another agenda if you play for England you can endanger players careers or WWF headlocks no penalty.  Is this to do with Brexit?
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      Reply #904: Oct 25, 2020 02:01:01 pm
      For me, it has the opposite effect. It makes me watch more neutral games that normally I wouldn't bat an eyelid about. Will VAR be used? When/Why/How/How many times? Will the goal stand/Will it be a penalty/red card? Will a punishment be upgraded/downgraded? Is there an offside? Was there a foul in the build up? What about  the monitor? How will an overturned decision affect the result?

      I haven't been in a stadium in 12 months, mostly because we've all been locked out of every stadium you can think of, but also because where I am, there is no VAR or any form of technology at all in the domestic league. Saying it balances out over time is no consolation. I need the right decision now, not a lucky break when we're already winning 4-0 in a dead rubber, 6 months later.

      Finally, and this is a general point, if people struggle to get excited about watching our games while we're domestic and World champions, then I struggle to think how they coped when we were struggling to finish fourth, or even the top half of the table. These days are paradise here compared to 4-4 draws at home to Chesterfield or trailing to Havant and Waterlooville at home or losing to Blackpool home and away in one season, to name just three. You could use many words to describe them, but fun and excitement were neither.

      But that's not down to just refereeing is it. A whole host of reasons you've mentioned there. You mention Havant and Waterlooville, the thing that stands out from that game was how the locals and regular wools were all alert and trying to force the issue about H & G and the some of the one game types were banging on about supporting the team!

      By the way saying you need a decision now makes you sound like a spoilt child. Games being going for well over a 100 years and video referees weren't needed then and let's be honest is just f**king that game up now and turning it into NFL with all the technical bullshit.

      It's a simple game jumpers for goalposts and all that if you're playing with your mates so why the need for all the technical sh*te in the professional game. It's got f**k all to do with actual sport and all to do with £££££££
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      Reply #905: Oct 25, 2020 04:15:36 pm
      For me, it has the opposite effect. It makes me watch more neutral games that normally I wouldn't bat an eyelid about. Will VAR be used? When/Why/How/How many times? Will the goal stand/Will it be a penalty/red card? Will a punishment be upgraded/downgraded? Is there an offside? Was there a foul in the build up? What about  the monitor? How will an overturned decision affect the result?

      I haven't been in a stadium in 12 months, mostly because we've all been locked out of every stadium you can think of, but also because where I am, there is no VAR or any form of technology at all in the domestic league. Saying it balances out over time is no consolation. I need the right decision now, not a lucky break when we're already winning 4-0 in a dead rubber, 6 months later.

      Finally, and this is a general point, if people struggle to get excited about watching our games while we're domestic and World champions, then I struggle to think how they coped when we were struggling to finish fourth, or even the top half of the table. These days are paradise here compared to 4-4 draws at home to Chesterfield or trailing to Havant and Waterlooville at home or losing to Blackpool home and away in one season, to name just three. You could use many words to describe them, but fun and excitement were neither.

      Jesus Christ, someone excited about VAR. still haven’t explained how your perfect system could screw up so badly in the derby for Pickfords challenge. Or yesterday’s game giving a pen. Face the truth, the people in charge of running VAR have no idea how to use it effectively.
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      Reply #906: Oct 26, 2020 01:47:35 pm
      Jesus Christ, someone excited about VAR. still haven’t explained how your perfect system could screw up so badly in the derby for Pickfords challenge. Or yesterday’s game giving a pen. Face the truth, the people in charge of running VAR have no idea how to use it effectively.

      Have to agree as VAR is a very good tool if  implemented properly. Sadly like you say the morons that run the dam thing would appear to have no knowledge of common sense.
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      Reply #907: Oct 26, 2020 02:04:14 pm
      Jesus Christ, someone excited about VAR. still haven’t explained how your perfect system could screw up so badly in the derby for Pickfords challenge. Or yesterday’s game giving a pen. Face the truth, the people in charge of running VAR have no idea how to use it effectively.

      and that is the issue, not necessarily the tool (VAR) itself.
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      Reply #908: Oct 26, 2020 08:17:09 pm
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      But that's not down to just refereeing is it. A whole host of reasons you've mentioned there. Games being going for well over a 100 years and video referees weren't needed then.

      It's a simple game jumpers for goalposts and all that if you're playing with your mates so why the need in the professional game.

      If you lose when playing with your mates, the manager doesn't get sacked and you can try to beat them tomorrow. If you lose at the highest level, it can be years before you win again. Look how long it's taken us to win the league. It's not an everyday event. We haven't won the cup in half that time either, where one bad decision can ruin a season's work.

      We needed video refs back then. We need them even more now with all that's at stake. It was a disgrace that football didn't have the technology to correct decisions that other sports had as routine. It should be in all the divisions as well, and at every major national cup final imo, regardless of whether it's used the rest of the year.

      If that penalty is not given in Chelsea v City last season they probably go on to win it, and we have to wait yet another week to win the league, possibly two. Instead justice was done and we won it in record time. Cheating ruined this sport for years, now it's being cleaned up. I never want to see another penalty given that was a dive, a goal scored that should have been given offside and vice versa, or a clear and obvious handball in the box by forwards or defenders, unseen and unpunished by referees in this league again. If it means it takes a couple of minutes longer to put it right, that's fine. The alternative is more years of, if only.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #909: Oct 28, 2020 12:17:24 am
      Now this has happened in the Italian League and it's great, why can't this happen to Cootes that pr**k!!!!


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      Reply #910: Oct 28, 2020 09:15:02 pm
      I convinced myself Greenwoods was  offside looking at his foot which clearly looked offside yet goal given. What did I miss?
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      Reply #911: Oct 28, 2020 09:16:48 pm
      Scrap it all together - completely kills all celebrations which makes this game what it is. F***ing despise it
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      Reply #912: Oct 29, 2020 03:59:10 pm
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      Scrap it all together - completely kills all celebrations which makes this game what it is. despise it

      Well you're going to have to put up with it, because it will never be scrapped. It's not to kill celebrations, it's to ensure every goal scored is valid. Most are.

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      Now this has happened in the Italian League and it's great, why can't this happen to Coote!!!

      Coote was also demoted after the derby. The failure to recommend a red card review for the Pickford incident was the last straw. Hopefully he'll study the laws more closely before he returns, because it was not the first time he let a bad tackle go unpunished.

      I don't know if you look at those screenshots you post up afterwards, but they seem to disappear off the thread after a few days.
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      Reply #913: Oct 29, 2020 04:10:57 pm
      Well you're going to have to put up with it, because it will never be scrapped. It's not to kill celebrations, it's to ensure every goal scored is valid. Most are.



      Most are?? You've changed your tune  :f_doh:

      Wasn't that long ago you were preaching it was the bees bollocks and couldn't do no wrong. Change your tune now. I don't need the % before you go there.
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      Reply #914: Oct 29, 2020 05:03:33 pm

      Nothing has been changed. Ghost goals are now ruled out. All valid goals count. It's not rocket science.
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      Reply #915: Oct 29, 2020 07:57:06 pm
      Nothing has been changed. Ghost goals are now ruled out. All valid goals count. It's not rocket science.

      Except you now acknowledge it hasn’t removed human error as we’ve seen with Coote in the derby. So it’s the same garbage refs making the same garbage calls, just doing it with a new system to play with.
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      Reply #916: Oct 30, 2020 08:56:57 am
      Instead of highlighting 5-10 game changing howlers every week as during the quiz year, we now debate the fine details of 1-2 calls occasionally, from the same small handful of refs. That is progress in itself.

      I notice that Scott Attwell Taylor Oliver and Kavanagh, even Friend and Tierney are never the centre of attention when VAR hits the headlines. Either they operate VAR very well, or they don't have a lot to do.   
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      Reply #917: Oct 31, 2020 11:43:58 am
      Instead of highlighting 5-10 game changing howlers every week as during the quiz year, we now debate the fine details of 1-2 calls occasionally, from the same small handful of refs. That is progress in itself.

      I notice that Scott Attwell Taylor Oliver and Kavanagh, even Friend and Tierney are never the centre of attention when VAR hits the headlines. Either they operate VAR very well, or they don't have a lot to do.   

      Bullshit

      VAR the way it is used by tje Premier League is a f**king joke and you know it, especially after the recent Champions League games and the way UEFA are using VAR. So I'm afraid lad you're talking out of your arse.
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      Reply #918: Nov 01, 2020 11:09:23 pm


      I don't know if you look at those screenshots you post up afterwards, but they seem to disappear off the thread after a few days.

      I've noticed that too. Don't know or can't figure out what's happened to them  ??? ???
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      Reply #919: Nov 07, 2020 03:10:33 pm
      McManaman reckons United should of had a penalty which online official agreed. However, Maguire did push Prickford slightly first. Was it a penalty? VAR get it wrong again?
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      Reply #920: Nov 07, 2020 03:35:47 pm


      The officials in this country have just f**king lost the plot.
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      Reply #921: Nov 07, 2020 03:39:05 pm


      The officials in this country have just f**king lost the plot.

      Ruining  the game
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      Reply #922: Nov 07, 2020 03:47:12 pm


      The officials in this country have just f**king lost the plot.
      Wait that’s not real!?  :lmao:
      That is just ridiculous and I would be fuming, you are punished for making a good run.
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      Reply #923: Nov 07, 2020 05:10:41 pm
      It just gets worse doesn't it. Haven't seen the Palace v Leeds match yet but looking at the picture it's looks  :tosser:
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      Reply #924: Nov 07, 2020 05:23:34 pm
      McManaman reckons United should of had a penalty which online official agreed. However, Maguire did push Prickford slightly first. Was it a penalty? VAR get it wrong again?

      That swing of the boot by Pickford was far naughtier than the push by Maguire and yet again the T-Rex small armed c**t gets away with another dodgy decision.

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