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      Reply #207: Jun 30, 2018 12:59:31 pm
      The more and more I see VAR the better it gets. It just makes sure justice is done on a far more regular basis than normal.

      One thing I think should change is the clock should stop when it's being checked as referees are not adding on the right about of injury time apparently.
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      Reply #208: Jul 01, 2018 11:45:01 am
      No, I just laugh at it. Always a sign of a lost argument when one side resorts to insults and swearing.

      Always a clear sign of immaturity too.

      No one loses an argument to you because you’re too F***ing thick to see beyond your conspiracy claptrap :D
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #209: Jul 01, 2018 12:51:19 pm
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      But what happens when VAR creates injustice?

      Today the referree correctly awarded a penalty for the foul on Mane. He then went to VAR and incorrectly overruled the decision.

      Crazy.

      Just to highlight, this is the same ref who was referee in Kiev.

      VAR was able to help him out this time.
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      Reply #210: Jul 01, 2018 01:08:24 pm
      No response other than laughing at you mate.  :lmao:

      It's pre-season and here you are with the swearing. What are you? 16? Grow up and chill out.  :D



      Gonna send your mate luis suarez around to come and chomp you to deatg
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      Reply #211: Jul 01, 2018 06:20:13 pm
      We just seen that the refs do see more than we see. They have a few monitors with different angles and have control over what they see.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #212: Jul 01, 2018 06:23:55 pm
      How many in the VAR room got paid for not giving a soft penalty in the last min?
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      Reply #213: Jul 01, 2018 07:17:28 pm
      How many in the VAR room got paid for not giving a soft penalty in the last min?

      I bet they don't have to worry about ordering a cup of tea tonight!!
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      Reply #214: Jul 01, 2018 07:21:52 pm
      I bet they don't have to worry about ordering a cup of tea tonight!!

       :lmao:
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      Reply #215: Jul 01, 2018 08:09:27 pm
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      How many in the VAR room got paid for not giving a soft penalty in the last min?

      So you admit it wasn't a penalty then?

      Kuipers is one of the best refs in the world. If he says it wasn't, and the 4 VAR refs, (with access to 35 cameras to make an informed decision) say it wasn't, it obviously wasn't a penalty then.

      All ref communication is recorded. They got paid their designated World Cup match fee. No more no less.

      Besides, if you're relying on Iago Aspas and some Bolton reject to get you through to the next round of the World Cup, you can't really complain when the result doesn't go your way.
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      Reply #216: Jul 01, 2018 08:19:00 pm
      So you admit it wasn't a penalty then?

      Kuipers is one of the best refs in the world. If he says it wasn't, and the 4 VAR refs, (with access to 35 cameras to make an informed decision) say it wasn't, it obviously wasn't a penalty then.

      All ref communication is recorded. They got paid their designated World Cup match fee. No more no less.

      Besides, if you're relying on Iago Aspas and some Bolton reject to get you through to the next round of the World Cup, you can't really complain when the result doesn't go your way.

      In your words from past comments with this subject. You can see the player was fouled. Penalty... End of.
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      Reply #217: Jul 01, 2018 08:25:22 pm
      Wasn’t a pen for Spain at least certainly not on Ramos. Both players holding and you can’t have a pen and free out at the same time
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      Reply #218: Jul 01, 2018 08:32:46 pm
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      You can see the player was fouled. Penalty... End of.

      You said it was a "soft" penalty. There is no soft penalty in this tournament. If it's a penalty, then it's given. If it's not, it's not given.

      We know what Ramos is like from the European Cup Final. Unlike the European Cup Final, there is VAR here to make the correct decision. VAR considered the evidence and made it's decision. So I take it as gospel.
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      Reply #219: Jul 01, 2018 08:36:38 pm
      You said it was a "soft" penalty. There is no soft penalty in this tournament. If it's a penalty, then it's given. If it's not, it's not given.



      OK! penalty... Glad it wasn't given though.
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      Reply #220: Jul 02, 2018 12:09:37 am
      VAR guys don't just look at the one foul, they look at what all the players were doing. I guess other players cancelled out the penalty.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #221: Jul 02, 2018 12:30:54 am
      If it's a penalty, then it's given. If it's not, it's not given

      Well that’s not true. Mitrovic being fouled was a clear cut penalty, yet wasn’t given. Just because it’s not given doesn’t mean it shouldn’t have been.
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      Reply #222: Jul 02, 2018 11:06:24 am
      No one loses an argument to you because you’re too f**king thick to see beyond your conspiracy claptrap :D

      Funny. Last week ref Mark Halsey admitted corruption.

      FIFA is proven full of corruption.

      But mine is conspiracy claptrap.  :lmao:
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      Reply #223: Jul 02, 2018 12:49:41 pm
      Funny. Last week ref Mark Halsey admitted corruption.

      He didn't admit corruption, he admitted giving players he was mates with yellow cards so they could have a day off rather than play in a game they didn't want to play in, no cash involved!!

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      Reply #225: Jul 02, 2018 01:29:33 pm
      He didn't admit corruption, he admitted giving players he was mates with yellow cards so they could have a day off rather than play in a game they didn't want to play in, no cash involved!!

      That is still corruption. An abuse of power. Favouritism. All that.

      The point is, the officials can always bend rules or make allowances if they wish to do so. Bias and corruption.
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      Reply #226: Jul 02, 2018 01:45:18 pm
      That is still corruption. An abuse of power. Favouritism. All that.

      The point is, the officials can always bend rules or make allowances if they wish to do so. Bias and corruption.

      Yeah but here in the Premier League in England it's seen more as quaint behaviour, hence the lack of any real probe into it by the FA or it being almost not very newsworthy to the press. Tbh I only know about it through reading a columnist in one of the newspapers who almost excused it of Halsey trying too hard to be mates with some of the players.
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      Reply #227: Jul 02, 2018 02:04:32 pm
      If one official makes a decision, it can be wrong. If an official makes a decision and 4 others back him up, then it's less likely to be wrong.

      I can see why the Mitrovic penalty appeal was rejected. No question he was fouled. But he was fouling his opponents also. As Magillionaire says, the ref can't give a penalty and a free kick in the same incident. So he let play go on.

      There were 330+ incidents checked by VAR in the group phase with a correct decision made 99.3% of the time. That accuracy is up there with other sports that use technology. So as in those sports, whatever decision VAR makes should be accepted as the right decision.
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      Reply #228: Jul 02, 2018 02:05:20 pm
      I agree it is minor, but is is an example to illustrate that the officials can and do have bias or other agenda's in their decision making. There will of course be bigger issues that will not have been openly discussed. Unless a ref wants to have criminal charges, he's not going to admit bigger fraud than that.

      VAR is not a perfect system. It enables an 'extra' look, but does not prevent bias in the decision making.

      When the ref goes to look at that screen, there is enormous pressure. He knows everyone in the world is seeing what he is seeing. He has to make a judgement call. If the decision is tight, and the significance great (e.g. a late penalty call), then the ref could be swayed by what he feels will be the consequence of the decision.

      Ultimately, he is under more scrutiny now than before.

      There is also the question of what is actually 'checked' by VAR. A couple of blatant incidents have been completely ignored.   

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      Reply #229: Jul 02, 2018 03:04:33 pm
      Well that’s not true. Mitrovic being fouled was a clear cut penalty, yet wasn’t given. Just because it’s not given doesn’t mean it shouldn’t have been.

      That's correct. Lfc across the water seems to be wearing rose tinted glasses regarding VAR. Apparently there never wrong. Decisions are still made by humans, that being the case there will always be mistakes. Fortunately not as many before VAR. like most of us say ( apart from one ) VAR will make mistakes even if it's less than 1%

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