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      7-King Kenny-7
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #414: Jun 23, 2019 04:10:33 pm
      It’s a good job there wasn’t so much fuss over the rule back in 05 then or Dudek would have been sent off after the first 2 penalties.

      There will be a bit of fuss over the rule but come mid season, the refs will soon be turning a blind eye. It was meant to be enforced once before but never happened except for the odd ref from time to time. Just like players encroaching the box as it’s taken, every now and again they will make it be retaken.

      If they want to do anything about penalties then stop Pogba doing that pathetic run up.

      Ultimately, if a player can’t score from 12 yards, regardless of the keeper coming off his line or not, then they shouldn’t be taking the kick in the first place. All they are doing is trying to make it even easier for the penalty taker. Takers who can happily piss about with their run ups, trying to sell the keeper early etc to try and gain the advantage but the keeper isn’t allowed to do anything...not exactly fair IMO. Just use common sense, let the keeper have a yard to come off his line, it’s not like he’s gaining much of an advantage is it. If a penalty is put right in the corner then it’s never getting stopped regardless of the keepers position.
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      Reply #415: Jun 24, 2019 08:39:50 am
      I expect VAR to force several changes to football rules over the next season.

      When VAR hits the Premier League for example, we will see the outrage from tight calls and literal "the rules are the rules" situations that will infuriate most fans. It is because the rules as they are written will destroy much of what is good in football.

      We saw yesterday, a Cameroon goal disallowed because the player who provided the assist was an inch or two offside (by her heel) prior to receiving the ball. The movement, the assist, the goal was all great - but the tightest of calls took all that away. That is not what the offside rules are for - but the rules currently out rule it.

      We've also seen from the WWC that the penalty rule is a nightmare and could cause some bigger problems such as red card's for unfortunate keepers, and could be abused in that way by the penalty taker. Premier League have already commented on this problem.

      One thing that needs to happen to VAR immediately (and should be done before it is implemented) is the public broadcast of the conversations between officials. With such dubious VAR calls leading to controversy, we need to know what is being said, so we can see why certain calls are being given. That may have cut some of those protests and bad feeling by the Cameroonian players.

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      Re: VAR
      Reply #416: Jun 24, 2019 09:32:26 am
      The rule has always been there, it's just not rigorously enforced.

      It's definitely a new tightening of the rules.  It was agreed by PGMOL and FIFA to be included in world football from this June.
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      Reply #417: Jun 24, 2019 12:36:20 pm
      It's definitely a new tightening of the rules.  It was agreed by PGMOL and FIFA to be included in world football from this June.

      Yep, the old "we'll enforce this really tightly for a while to get the point across, then quietly drop it"
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #418: Jul 01, 2019 03:58:02 pm
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      This is the problem now they are trying to make the game error free which is going to kill the game. Just give the Refs better training maybe 4 lines people with some Gizmo to indicate offside etc but leave any interpretation to the REF

      The game is supposed to be error free after all, or as few errors as possible.

      Offsides have nothing to do with interpretation, it either is offside or it isn't, according to the laws as they stand at the time.

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      Premier League are also abandoning it before the league even starts.

      I'm not sure we've heard the last of this issue because, according to Collina in his press conference video below, that is news to him. As far as he is concerned, all competitions that use VAR must enforce all VAR laws, not cherry pick the ones they want and ignore the rest. It's not Brexit after all.

      Quote from 7-King Kenny-7
      There will be a bit of fuss over the rule but come mid season, the refs will soon be turning a blind eye. It was meant to be enforced once before but never happened except for the odd ref from time to time. Just like players encroaching the box as it’s taken, every now and again they will make it be retaken.

      Just use common sense, let the keeper have a yard to come off his line

      Collina also addresses what happens when "common sense" is applied.

      Keepers cannot have a yard, anymore than defenders cannot have a yard for a free kick, or forwards cannot have a yard for offsides. We have rules to abide by. Without rules, we have anarchy.

      In previous years, refs could turn a blind eye, under the "I didn't see it" explanation. With VAR, that explanation is now useless. If something should be spotted, it will be spotted and something will be done about it.

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      I expect VAR to force several changes to football rules over the next season.

      We saw yesterday, a Cameroon goal disallowed because the player who provided the assist was an inch or two offside (by her heel) prior to receiving the ball. The movement, the assist, the goal was all great - but the tightest of calls took all that away. That is not what the offside rules are for - but the rules currently out rule it.

      That decision is correct. Cameroon can scream "racism" all they want, but there's no racism involved. The VAR system doesn't recognise where teams come from or what their skin colour is. It simply provides the evidence to confirm a decision or correct an error.

      The link to the press conference video on YouTube below, sees Collina and several other officials confirm and clarify refereeing decisions at the WWC, and VAR related issues.

      https://youtu.be/yuhIVx8RoiI

      Main points are:
      Accuracy of ref decisions with VAR is 98%+.
      Average of 10 VAR checks per WWC game.
      A VAR on field review called, every 1.52 games, a rate consistent with other major tournaments.
      More penalties awarded during this WWC than any in history.

      Analysis of previous incidents: Around 35-40 minutes into the video.
      Collina EPL comments: 79 minutes in.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #419: Jul 06, 2019 04:40:06 pm
      I have to say, some of these decisions are ridiculous.

      Totally ruining the flow of the game.

      God help next year, there will defiantly be wrong calls.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #420: Jul 06, 2019 04:51:40 pm
      Yep it's like those jobsworthy cu*ts,telling ya to move ya car over a foot or giving out tickets for feeding a F***ing bird.if none of the players,coaches see it in real time let the game go,maybe let them have challenges.There's gonna be issues in the prem over this for sure.
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      Reply #421: Jul 06, 2019 05:01:21 pm
      Yep it's like those jobsworthy cu*ts,telling ya to move ya car over a foot or giving out tickets for feeding a F***ing bird.if none of the players,coaches see it in real time let the game go,maybe let them have challenges.There's gonna be issues in the prem over this for sure.

      None of the dives have been punished. I can see it causing a lot issues.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #422: Jul 10, 2019 08:15:26 pm
      Quote from Boston not la
      Yep it's like those jobsworthy cu*ts,telling ya to move ya car over a foot or giving out tickets for feeding a F***ing bird.if none of the players,coaches see it in real time let the game go,maybe let them have challenges.

      No is the short answer.

      The long answer is, players and coaches are not allowed to referee the game as and when it suits them. VAR is here to allow neutral referees to coldly spot things, that biased players and coaches want us to turn a blind eye to.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #423: Jul 11, 2019 09:54:04 am
      Goal line technology is great and to get offside decisions correct should be easy now . the rest is going to cause mayhem in the league and if crowds start to wait to celebrate each goal until VAR has given its decision its going to kill atmospheres.
      The view used for VAR should only be that of the referee otherwise what is the point of having a Ref we may as well go for virtual Ref's
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #424: Jul 17, 2019 10:43:14 pm
      How many City fans waited to celebrate the ghost goal v Spurs? Crowds will celebrate as they always have. Whether the immediate decision given will stand or not, is a different story.

      Watching the cricket final at the weekend, was not a great advert for the team challenge theory. At least 2 major decisions were called wrong, and could not be corrected because the team concerned were out of challenges, and clear and obvious wrong decisions had to be allowed to stand. To be restricted to 1 challenge over 300 balls as they are, makes me relieved that the officials in our sport, still have the absolute authority to make final decisions on any incident in the game.
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      Reply #425: Jul 18, 2019 06:29:14 am
      How many City fans waited to celebrate the ghost goal v Spurs? Crowds will celebrate as they always have. Whether the immediate decision given will stand or not, is a different story.

      Watching the cricket final at the weekend, was not a great advert for the team challenge theory. At least 2 major decisions were called wrong, and could not be corrected because the team concerned were out of challenges, and clear and obvious wrong decisions had to be allowed to stand. To be restricted to 1 challenge over 300 balls as they are, makes me relieved that the officials in our sport, still have the absolute authority to make final decisions on any incident in the game.

      You really do have a case of verbal diarrhoea
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #426: Jul 18, 2019 08:12:39 pm
      How many City fans waited to celebrate the ghost goal v Spurs? Crowds will celebrate as they always have. Whether the immediate decision given will stand or not, is a different story.

      Watching the cricket final at the weekend, was not a great advert for the team challenge theory. At least 2 major decisions were called wrong, and could not be corrected because the team concerned were out of challenges, and clear and obvious wrong decisions had to be allowed to stand. To be restricted to 1 challenge over 300 balls as they are, makes me relieved that the officials in our sport, still have the absolute authority to make final decisions on any incident in the game.

      But that's the F***ing problem, especially when the refs are jobsworth cu*ts. Give me cricket and their video system over Var and our useless refs any day of the week. At least the umpires know and the crowd in general know what the F**k is going on.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #427: Jul 18, 2019 10:08:30 pm
      Same with both codes of Rugby they are both officiated so much better than the EPL . Why not improve the training and fitness of Refs before killing the game with un-needed technology
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      Reply #428: Jul 19, 2019 08:59:37 pm
      They're officiated better because they have help. In general, English refs are not better or worse than any other refs. But when you have one chance to make a decision, mistakes will be made, so refs then look worse than they are, when it happens. Now they can see everything they need to look at when they have to look at it, as many times as necessary.

      With the biased LFC hat on, I'm looking forward to all the extra goals penalties and points we're set to get, that we didn't before. We got our first of many in Porto. I'm also looking forward to the team going to the toilet, and not been terrified of what the ref is going to do anytime the mancs get near our box. If the cost is an extra minute or two injury time, I can take it. 
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      Reply #429: Jul 21, 2019 02:23:32 pm
      They're officiated better because they have help. In general, English refs are not better or worse than any other refs.

      They are, they're F***ing awful, that's why Chief former Ferguson cock sucker Mike Riley is getting laughed at by the likes of Pierluigi Collina!!

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      Reply #430: Jul 21, 2019 03:26:09 pm
      They are, they're f**king awful, that's why Chief former Ferguson cock sucker Mike Riley is getting laughed at by the likes of Pierluigi Collina!!



      couldn't agree more the EPL refs are just bloody awful . They have little authority on the pitch and look like frightened Rabbits caught in the headlights at the first sign of trouble. Why not get the best Refs in from other leagues and pay them well .
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      Reply #431: Aug 09, 2019 07:34:31 pm
      Just watching the VAR feature on Sky in the build up to the game.
      Just a thought. If the Ref, 4th official and VAR official are all PL referees are there going to be enough to go round or are we going to be getting some 2nd level refs in some games?
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #432: Aug 13, 2019 08:39:31 pm
      VAR Week 1.

      3 Injustices Overturned.
      2 Ghost Goals Ruled Out
      1 Result influenced by a VAR correction.

      And :kop5cf8koxp6: unaffected.

      Great Start. 😃
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #433: Aug 13, 2019 08:51:54 pm
      Killed the atmosphere, slowed the game, sh*t start.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #434: Aug 13, 2019 09:11:41 pm
      VAR Week 1.

      3 Injustices Overturned.
      2 Ghost Goals Ruled Out
      1 Result influenced by a VAR correction.

      And :kop5cf8koxp6: unaffected.

      Great Start. 😃

      Are you paying paid to promote VAR or something?
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #435: Aug 14, 2019 11:12:57 am
      VAR Week 1.

      3 Injustices Overturned.
      2 Ghost Goals Ruled Out
      1 Result influenced by a VAR correction.

      And :kop5cf8koxp6: unaffected.

      Great Start. 😃

      Oh god please no more weekly updates
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #436: Aug 15, 2019 04:17:28 am
      Another F**k up by VAR.  xxxxx:action-smiley-065:

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