VAR

Our resident var expert is compiling the weekends dossier as we speak .

Should make good reading................. ....not.

VAR was supposed to eliminate mistakes but we have just as many talking points now as we did before VAR. We are still at the whim of a poorly trained Ref with only Offside really definitive in its correct decision making. Scrap it .

Should make good reading................. ....not.

it will be if you like reading  a full page of crap he cant half go on.

Somewhere, someone across the water is preparing their spreadsheets and video files 

Somewhere, someone across the water is preparing their spreadsheets and video files 

It’s imminent, we all wait with bated breath.   

it will be if you like reading  a full page of crap he cant half go on.

Sad thing is we will all read it though. 

the silence coming from the VAR and the FA mob is deafening isnt it. If they cant see with their own eyes what happens 5 yards in front of them what is the point. We have lots of excellent foreign players in the league why cant we have foreign Refs ?

B R E X I T

IF as is extremely likely VAR is here to stay its parameters of use need to be reset. Where the use of technology gives us a definitive answer, as with offside it would seem to be of some value. But even here with the drawn on lines etc. it's not possible to be 100% all of the time. Is it always clear when exactly the ball left the player making the pass, or what part of the body was in front, or behind a covering defender? I don't think so. To get it more accurate they would need multiple cameras recording at 60 frames per second, and they would be prohibitively expensive. Better just bin the whole experiment and rely real time judgement of refs and linesmen/women...Who we can acknowledge and accept, get some calls wrong.

For me keep the off side reviews but the rest scrap because I the reviews are open to who ever is interpreting them, just look at the Spurs game last season Kane should have been off and we should have had a nailed on penalty, at least the game would flow better

But even here with the drawn on lines etc. it's not possible to be 100%

Not sure our resident expect will agree with you,  VAR never wrong. The pulling of the hair was accidental so  therefor not a foul   

For me keep the off side reviews but the rest scrap because I the reviews are open to who ever is interpreting them, just look at the Spurs game last season Kane should have been off and we should have had a nailed on penalty, at least the game would flow better

Fair point...I wouldn't argue with that. One thing since its introduction that I have often found odd, is that the VAR operator calls the decision as either in front, or behind the set line(s). We never have a decision of "in line" as in exactly parallel, this is strange. Even sports like cycling, with two bikes crossing the line at speed, with technology calibrated to hundredths of a second we still get dead heats. In line is onside ....call it

IF as is extremely likely VAR is here to stay its parameters of use need to be reset. Where the use of technology gives us a definitive answer, as with offside it would seem to be of some value. But even here with the drawn on lines etc. it's not possible to be 100% all of the time. Is it always clear when exactly the ball left the player making the pass, or what part of the body was in front, or behind a covering defender? I don't think so. To get it more accurate they would need multiple cameras recording at 60 frames per second, and they would be prohibitively expensive. Better just bin the whole experiment and rely real time judgement of refs and linesmen/women...Who we can acknowledge and accept, get some calls wrong.

Unfortunately that's not good enough, with all that is at stake in this league. Take a look at the hair pull case at the weekend. Nobody accepts the ref got it wrong, they just question his competence, someone else called for foreign refs, and the team manager involved demands that he stay away from their games. That's what happens, nobody accepts refereeing mistakes, either on or off the pitch. I'm still bitter about decisions against us by referees from 10-20-30 years ago, and never once did I excuse them for getting it wrong.

The offside flags are delayed for obvious reasons, which most people should understand by now. While there is an injury risk, the actual amount of injuries as a result of delayed flags, is miniscule. In any case, you play to the whistle, not the flag. It's the referee who has the authority to stop a game, not the linesman. So even if he puts the flag up, the ref still has the right to ignore him.

Var is not an experiment to be got rid of, it's a permanent feature of elite level football in this league, and many others. So you either like it or live with it, and I feel much safer with it overseeing things in our games, than taking our chances without it. Either way, it's going nowhere.

Another serious error by VAR yesterday. West Ham score a legitimate goal only to be ruled a foul on keeper.  When does it stop. 

At least yesterdays Fck ups will keep the one across the water busy for z few days , while the next chapter is written on how goood it is and what it’s doing for the game , worst thing that’s happened in footballl by a country mile just because you have the same idiots looking at it that used to ref and most were no fcking good at that .

Another serious error by VAR yesterday. West Ham score a legitimate goal only to be ruled a foul on keeper.  When does it stop. 

Joke of a decision that. Villa also denied a legit goal. 

Joke of a decision that. Villa also denied a legit goal. 

Problem with Villa goal is that he’d already blown his whistle, get your point though very harsh.

Is the experience of watching a game better? This should be the only question relevant to the whole VAR issue. It doesn't.... for numerous reasons all which have been discussed ad infinitum. It's just an additional procedure where the incident is judged by another (ex) referee; who as we have seen, will make the wrong call as often as the right call. So what's the point?....maybe another VAR operator to monitor the first!..obviously not!
It's a waste of time and it's draining all the spontaneity out of the game. Of course you have to understand how and why it came about in the first place. Nearly all games now are televised, with each incident replayed over and over. So when supporters saw those pictures, it often it showed the officials had made a mistake, often quite a costly one. Answer: add another referee watching the game (miles away from the action!) to call out any clear and obvious mistake the real ref has made. The English language is often ambiguous and open to interpretation...how do you define clear, or obvious? ...you can't. so we just have another level of judgement...opinion, which is where we started.

It has spoiled the game especially for the supporters at the game.  Admit it isn't fit for purpose and discard it.

Another serious error by VAR yesterday. West Ham score a legitimate goal only to be ruled a foul on keeper.  When does it stop. 

well the underlying problem of poor officals has found its way into the VAR box. We have said for many years our Refs in the EPL are sub standard unfit and lack knowledge of the game and all we have done is give them a roof over their head . As soon as a manager rightly calls them out he gets slammed by the FA cant be allowing the truth to be told

VAR, what a joke. I don't care what him across the water says it really should be got rid of.

Question, how did football manage before VAR ?  Yes, there were mistakes but there are with it complete joke and game killer.

I await with baited breath from you know who..................... ........................ ........................ .........Not!

Breaking news on BBC website

 Premier League to review VAR operation with PGMOL

     

 The Premier League is to review the operation of VAR with referees' organisation PGMOL as a matter of priority.

More to follow.     

Another grim decision to rule out that Brighton goal.

VAR, certainly the way it has been operated in the Premier League, is really turning me off football.

The Fun Police at it at Brighton this afternoon....get rid of VAR it's a poison in the game. Let's just learn to accept a referee decision however imperfect and move on. It's so tedious...it's nearly every game is blighted with this nonsense.

its been outed the same people who couldnt referee are still making crappy decisions even when they are hiding away. 5 mins today for Brighton and still they left it to the Ref to check his monitor for offside.