Pre-Match: Liverpool V Newcastle (03/03/18 - 17:30)

Same team. Same attitude. Same result as the West Hame game.

Then Klopp on Tuesday we can rest our front three and whoever else for the Mancs.

 

Jürgen Klopp Liverpool league record v Newcastle

Played 3 Won 0

Liverpool v a Rafa Benitez side

Played 5 Won 0

Good luck lads.

Is that right?

Weird, if it is. I wouldn't expect it to be the same after this weekend though

Jürgen Klopp Liverpool league record v Newcastle

Played 3 Won 0

Liverpool v a Rafa Benitez side

Played 5 Won 0

Good luck lads.

  wow

Is that right?

Weird, if it is. I wouldn't expect it to be the same after this weekend though

Right on.

There is always the first time, eh.

YNWA

 

Newcastle are sh*te, however good Rafa is he simply doesn't have the players to keep us out

Rafa will park the bus.

Knowing our luck the keeper will have the game of his life

Rafa will park the bus.

He doesn't have a bus to park, that is my point. Its all very well having the tactic of parking a bus but if your players, specifically defenders, are sh*te then it makes little difference. If Rafa had a bus to park then why did he end up drawing a match at the weekend when he was 2-0 up?

I honestly think we will win this game quite easily, especially if we can get a nice early goal.

He doesn't have a bus to park, that is my point. Its all very well having the tactic of parking a bus but if your players, specifically defenders, are sh*te then it makes little difference. If Rafa had a bus to park then why did he end up drawing a match at the weekend when he was 2-0 up?

I honestly think we will win this game quite easily, especially if we can get a nice early goal.

It will be a massive 3 points because Chelsea v City. If we can get 7 clear of Chelsea we should be favourites for a top four spot. At that point 24/30 of remaining points would guarantee a top four spot regardless of rival results.

Jürgen Klopp Liverpool league record v Newcastle

Played 3 Won 0

Liverpool v a Rafa Benitez side

Played 5 Won 0

Good luck lads.

Good info, but Yikes!

That may be one of the main points of motivation for the group this week then. Prove you can beat this lot...because you haven't yet.

I'm still confident because we seem to have found a higher level of consistency, but as always, beware the team battling the drop.

Watched this lot against United and Shelvey ran the show. I think he has scored a few against us since his departure (?), so need to keep him quiet.

Jürgen Klopp Liverpool league record v Newcastle

Played 3 Won 0

Liverpool v a Rafa Benitez side

Played 5 Won 0

Good luck lads.

F**k!

Well records are meant to be broken just like Mo Salah has proved to us all season.

Rip into them, No Mercy.

Success for Rafa will be to keep Newcastle in the Premier league. Rafa will know this game won't have much say in that. He will defend and hope we misfire. If they are lucky enough to snatch a goal early on before we strike, they will have an outside chance.

But they aren't good enought to shut us out. Always good to see Rafa back on Merseyside. He knows he's always welcome here.

3-0..4-0....may be 5...

Jürgen Klopp Liverpool league record v Newcastle

Played 3 Won 0

Liverpool v a Rafa Benitez side

Played 5 Won 0

Good luck lads.

That's not right?

We drew 2-2 with them two seasons back.

That's not right?

We drew 2-2 with them two seasons back.

Yeah, and 2-2 is not a win 😳

Success for Rafa will be to keep Newcastle in the Premier league. Rafa will know this game won't have much say in that. He will defend and hope we misfire. If they are lucky enough to snatch a goal early on before we strike, they will have an outside chance.

But they aren't good enought to shut us out. Always good to see Rafa back on Merseyside. He knows he's always welcome here.

3-0..4-0....may be 5...

This I suppose IS his highest attainable goal this season, just staying up. It kind of begs the question for me: Why did Rafa choose to manage this club? It's not as if Ashley has ever pretended to be a big-spending owner with a goal of pushing Newcastle into the top group of teams in England. The club has a pretty big fan base and stadium, I know. But considering where Rafa has been, I don't quite get what his interest is in managing them.

Anyone know?

This I suppose IS his highest attainable goal this season, just staying up. It kind of begs the question for me: Why did Rafa choose to manage this club? It's not as if Ashley has ever pretended to be a big-spending owner with a goal of pushing Newcastle into the top group of teams in England. The club has a pretty big fan base and stadium, I know. But considering where Rafa has been, I don't quite get what his interest is in managing them.

Anyone know?

To feel loved I believe

Karius

TAA
Lovren
VVD
Robertson

Can
Milner
Ox

Mane
Firmino
Salah

That's not right?

We drew 2-2 with them two seasons back.

When did 2-2 become a win 

When did 2-2 become a win 

Bitters wouldn't agree with that.

Watched this lot against United and Shelvey ran the show. I think he has scored a few against us since his departure (?), so need to keep him quiet.

He was also the reason why they drew 2-2 the last day after being 2-0 up. He missed a chance to score to go 3-0 up and then he let runners from midfield score both goals to make it 2-1 and 2-2. He got a bollocking after the game too. He probably won't start as a result.

Expect Rafa to start Diame & maybe Merino to start. Think they will go very defensive again.

Our forwards should have enough go see of this Benitez team, our defenders shouldn't be troubled either, think Rafa will set up for a draw...

Going for a 3-0 win here..

Anyone has stats for Rafa v Klopp....?

Anyone has stats for Rafa v Klopp....?

Read the thread.

Read the thread.

Can't see a game stat for Rafa v Klopp teams.. Unless you would be kind enough to post it..

Our forwards should have enough go see of this Benitez team, our defenders shouldn't be troubled either, think Rafa will set up for a draw...

Going for a 3-0 win here..

Anyone has stats for Rafa v Klopp....?

Think it's two draws so far!!

Can't think of many other games when they've faced each other.

Think it's two draws so far!!

Can't think of many other games when they've faced each other.

We lost 5-0 against Klopp's Mainz under Rafa & Klopp I think lost to Napoli with Dortmund in the CL...it's what I'm trying to establish...how they have done against each other with different clubs..

Think it's done now ...I think

We lost 5-0 against Mainz & Klopp I think lost to Napoli with Dortmund in the CL...it's what I'm trying to establish...how they have done against each other with different clubs..

Think it's dine now ...I think

Show's how much friendlies stick in my head at times, completely forgot about that Mainz friendly!!

It's still not many games against each other.

We should beat Newcastle on Saturday with the front three on fire at the moment.

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Another must win so to keep Utd on their toes. We need to press from the 1st second.

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Another must win so to keep Utd on their toes. We need to press from the 1st second.

Interesting no VVD... is he injured or you think he needs a rest?

Interesting no VVD... is he injured or you think he needs a rest?

That's a lapses . I would play VVD instead of Matip.

Think someone's playing silly buggers with VVD. That isn't the official line up is it. That won't be announced until prior to the match. Why are people getting irate because he's not been included. Likely been suggested he takes a rest.

Yeah, and 2-2 is not a win 😳

When did 2-2 become a win 

JD, please feel free to ban me for stupidity.

Shouldn’t post before a coffee. Christ, I’m dumb

Looking(Hoping) for a route here 5-0, 6-0, 7-0 maybe...

Would like to see VVD, and Lovren his been a much improved player since the arrival of VVD, would like to see them play a bit more together as (IMO) they will be the starters of choice in the CL games

I'm suprised no one's gone for 4-3! me? I've gone 3-1, a 3-30am kick off for me this one

They did a job on United but realistically still gave away big chances that United just missed and that was at St. James.

I feared the West Ham game and we could easily have gone 1 down so room for complacency here either.

Just need to win, any way, any how

Will Klopp leave Hendo on the bench again,if so does that mean Hendo is now veiwed as a player selected when we need to be defensively disciplined. As was the Case V Porto away. Many on here say he is overly cautious, not direct enough.

I mean, as it happened we battered Porto but we needed Hendo to hold it together. How will that effect Hendo longterm if he is only used in tough away games either in the League or in the remainder of the Euro campaign.

Looking(Hoping) for a route here 5-0, 6-0, 7-0 maybe...

Would like to see VVD, and Lovren his been a much improved player since the arrival of VVD, would like to see them play a bit more together as (IMO) they will be the starters of choice in the CL games

Could be but I think he will pull Salah & Firmino at 3-0 and rest them for the Porto home leg. Could end up being a dog of a game and have to grind out a 1-0. Rafa will try to stiffle us, and try and nick a goal. If we undo them early we will run out easy but don't rule out a Rafa defensive shut out.

There is fluidity between the midfield and front 3. Keep the same line up. Probably, Rafa will probably park the bus and stifle our attack. I expect us to win this game but that requires hard work. In any shape or form, lets just win the game and continue to pile the pressure on MU.

Could be but I think he will pull Salah & Firmino at 3-0 and rest them for the Porto home leg. Could end up being a dog of a game and have to grind out a 1-0. Rafa will try to stiffle us, and try and nick a goal. If we undo them early we will run out easy but don't rule out a Rafa defensive shut out.

Is this the same Defensive shut out as demonstrated against Bournemouth last weekend when they were 2-0 up??

Think these will be better defensively that West Ham for sure, and better disciplined. Rafa knows how to set up a team well at the back, especially with poorer quality players. We saw that here for ourselves.

I think they will sit deep and expect us to break us down, so I think players like Henderson & Lallana are needed. Henderson for his repeated recycling of possession ability. Keep them working from side to side, wear down Newcastle. Keep finding Firmino in space and creating the space. While not using the space yet, we will eventually and keep the Newcastle defence working, don't let them assume we are going to go wide all the time. Tire them out, keep probing and keeping the ball. Beat them mentally and physically and then strike. Lallana is great at his quick corner turns and can create space and diagonal runs and these will be needed here. I thought that the West Ham game was a game where we needed a goal from a late midfield run and I think this may apply here too. Newcastle (like West Ham) will be so pre-occupied with our front 3, it could be a game for the middle 3 to step up and get us on the scoresheet.

Once we go 1-0, they will come out 5 yards and that will give Salah, Mane some more space in behind. Then we can play quick and fast and break and score more (hopefully )

I'd take the 1-0 now in a heartbeat - back above all teams bar City and there for at least a day. Don't forget that Spurs play before us Saturday and can go ahead of us if they beat Huddersfield at home. This weekend serves as a 'functional' win in my eyes - let the big scoring games come later on.

Rafa, when in the opposite dugout, has long been a bogey manager for us. Pretty much heralded the decline of his predecessor Houllier when he more or less knocked us out of Europe with his Valencia team back in 2002. It certainly won't be easy - as expected with a Rafa side they are well organised and got a lot to fight for down near the bottom there. Rarely do his sides get beat handsomely.

F**k me have any of you guys actually watched Newcastle this season, all this talk of parking the bus is utter nonsense, Newcastle quite simply do not have a bus to park, irrespective of how much of a genius Rafa is, which btw is a stange term for someone who's side is perilously close to relegation.

Love Rafa, he's the only manager I'd like to come back if Jürgen ever decided to leave, but sentiment goes out the window in football so i would love it if we absolutely battered 'Toon' from pillar to post on Saturday,

I think Rafa will steer his side to safety but honestly can't see him being there next season, anyhoo, not our concern i want us to be totally ruthless and treat this game as if it were against a top rival,

I'd keep the same X1 as of WHU with the exception of swopping Matip for Lovren,

The barcodes have done well recently but n all honesty they are proper up against it this time, and despite all Rafa's ingenuity and guile i think even he will concede they are up sh*t creek with no sign of any paddles and a massive hole in their boat,

                            Karius
     Trent Lovren Van Dijk Robertson
               Ox      Jimmy       Can
             Salah    Firmino    Mane

    Bench:   Ward, Gomez, Henderson, Gini, Lallana, Matip, Ings

4-0  MIGHTY  REDMEN  (at least)



YNWA

Should be cold enough that we don't have to put up with camera shots of fat middle aged blokes with their beer belly's hanging over their jeans at least. Always a plus to this sort of weather!

They are a odd side with the ability to put in decent performances and conversely utter sh*te.

No doubt they will try and keep it tight and hope to catch us on the counter like the Hammers last week.

Either way we gave too much fire power up front and with the midfield starting to link up well with the fab 3 there is only one outcome. Sorry Rafa.

Is this the same Defensive shut out as demonstrated against Bournemouth last weekend when they were 2-0 up??

Never been a team that can guarantee a shut out at any time. So gawd knows what your waffling on about. And you must have noticed that what happens in one game is not a guide to the next.

Most of the comments regarding Rafa doing a number on us are generally as a mark of respect for Rafa. Not as any indication that they will get any kind of a result...capeesh..H..

Not liking this at all... The weather that is. Could play a huge part in this

Not liking this at all... The weather that is. Could play a huge part in this

Pitch should be ok but the safety of the fans getting to and from the game might be a problem.

Pitch should be ok but the safety of the fans getting to and from the game might be a problem.

Was just coming in to say this. If the weather is as bad as forecasted over today and tomorrow I’d expect ours plus a lot of other games to be postponed.

Early goal and it will be a rout, otherwise we might have to work a bit for this one. Rafa always seems to do well against us.

Three things, I hope the weather does not mean the game is postponed. It will be good to see Rafa back at Anfield, with his Newcastle side. Mainly another win for the Reds to keep on track for a top four finish.

We will win 3-0.  'Nuff said! 

An un-popular view, but wouldnt be upset if the game was postponed due to the weather - extra couple of days prep time before Porto / Utd

An un-popular view, but wouldnt be upset if the game was postponed due to the weather - extra couple of days prep time before Porto / Utd

Nah it'll be alright.Geordies have already set out!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=52&v=jxXbpHeIrUc

I'm suprised no one's gone for 4-3!

4-3 if Simon is in goal... quietly confident about that...

I'd be surprised if the game went ahead.

No no no! I need my weekend football fix!

I'd be surprised if the game went ahead.

I saw the our news, and I know that there is snow but how bad is it?

Hope it goes ahead, but for fans traveling from Newcastle it could be a nightmare if the weather doesn't improve.

Seen that the lads from down here in Plymouth have cancelled their trip up.

Aye, whatever the outcome result wise.
By that I mean weather we win 1:0 or 6:0 😊
Hope everyone travelling to the game has a safe journey, there and back. Take care everyone. Atrocious conditions out there.

Just get the W Boys, can't F***ing wait for this one. Have missed our Heavy Metal football for a week.

Hope Lallana plays and Mane finds his world class form so that Firmino or Salah can be rested.

Hope Lallana plays and Mane finds his world class form so that Firmino or Salah can be rested.

Yeah...set the crazed Lallana on them...ahh...watch out..Lallana's about..

Think it's looking more likely that the game will be called off. All kinds of travel problems all over the country. Many fans travel long distances. Half five kick off means fans travelling back from about 8pm and obviously late into the night.

Nightmare for Newcastle fans as well. I mean it's more or less, being a Newcastle fan, a permanent 'mare for them so they should be used to it.

How bad is the snow up in Liverpool, I would have thought the pitch itself should be fine.

Think it's looking more likely that the game will be called off. All kinds of travel problems all over the country. Many fans travel long distances. Half five kick off means fans travelling back from about 8pm and obviously late into the night.

Nightmare for Newcastle fans as well. I mean it's more or less, being a Newcastle fan, a permanent 'mare for them so they should be used to it.

If supporters were the determining factor in the decision, you are likely correct.

But everything is about TV, yeah?

So how much snow is there? Is it this much? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMJox-O9H0c

 

Hope Lallana plays and Mane finds his world class form so that Firmino or Salah can be rested.

Resting players for what ? Any 'resting' can be done on Tuesday

If supporters were the determining factor in the decision, you are likely correct.

But everything is about TV, yeah?

So how much snow is there? Is it this much? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMJox-O9H0c

 

 

It's not so much the quantity,seems like at most 6 inches, it's more the brits don't know what to do with the snow.So over here the Red Sox,universities,corporations,citizens all get out the blowers shovels etc  and get the sidewalks clear,the city has a shitload of ploughs,sanders and also get private guys with ploughs out on the streets as far as i know that doesn't happen in Britain,stand to be corrected.But i'm gonna blame FSG if the game does get called off,they could of shipped some snow blowers over cos it's just raining here! cheap bas**rds.

Resting players for what ? Any 'resting' can be done on Tuesday

Exactly against Porto not in the Premier league, a game before Manure away.

We don't need a rest, but if Liverpool game is called off, we have plenty of time to fit the rematch in.

 

It's not so much the quantity,seems like at most 6 inches, it's more the brits don't know what to do with the snow.So over here the Red Sox,universities,corporations,citizens all get out the blowers shovels etc  and get the sidewalks clear,the city has a shitload of ploughs,sanders and also get private guys with ploughs out on the streets as far as i know that doesn't happen in Britain,stand to be corrected.But i'm gonna blame FSG if the game does get called off,they could of shipped some snow blowers over cos it's just raining here! cheap bas**rds.

I can confirm, we don’t know what to do in the snow mate, especially in London

How did Milner get a knock? He is a doubt for tomorrow now.

All the Scottish games have been called off, 4 off in the championship and leagues 1 & 2 are nearly all off. Tranmere's game at home is off.

Our pitch should be ok and I would imagine the common passageways inside the stadium are safe. So it will come down to the safety of fans travelling to the ground. Public transport is in some disarray. Some roads and motorways are blocked or closed all together. Flights not to great either. Looking grim. I would expect a relatively early announcement so fans will know the situation.

I would absolutely happy if the game was called off
Rather we play such vital games with no reason for excuses such as the conditions were bad and some potential injuries being caused.
If it goes ahead and all considered, I reckon presently that it would be a very nervy 2-1 win for the boys.
Rest some of the attackers in the Porto 2nd leg and go all out for the manure game on next weekend. 

Gotta say that I am glad that our old boy, Jonjo Shelvey isn’t available. Always worried when an ex-red has the chance to face us and suddenly puts in a top class performance.

I would absolutely happy if the game was called off
Rather we play such vital games with no reason for excuses such as the conditions were bad and some potential injuries being caused.
If it goes ahead and all considered, I reckon presently that it would be a very nervy 2-1 win for the boys.
Rest some of the attackers in the Porto 2nd leg and go all out for the manure game on next weekend. 

Gotta say that I am glad that our old boy, Jonjo Shelvey isn’t available. Always worried when an ex-red has the chance to face us and suddenly puts in a top class performance.

you know there is heaters under the turf right?

I love Rafa Benitez to bits but he's in for a torrid ride when we lock horns at 5.30 Saturday.
He'll play his Talismen and instruct them to do their utmost to break us down but we'll simply be too strong for them.Fact !
If there's one player we've gotta keep an eye on it's Shelvey.
I say it every time, but it's true, he's a banker on scoring at Anfield or at least an assist.
Stop him from playing his game and it's another 3 points in the bag.

good feeling about this one..going for a 3-1 win

 

you know there is heaters under the turf right?

Dick
Obviously
Extreme cold or hot temperatures and adverse conditions have an effect upon players.
You really don’t help yourself do you. Ugh.

I love Rafa Benitez to bits but he's in for a torrid ride when we lock horns at 5.30 Saturday.
He'll play his Talismen and instruct them to do their utmost to break us down but we'll simply be too strong for them.Fact !
If there's one player we've gotta keep an eye on it's Shelvey.
I say it every time, but it's true, he's a banker on scoring at Anfield or at least an assist.
Stop him from playing his game and it's another 3 points in the bag.

good feeling about this one..going for a 3-1 win

 

Apparently shelvey is unavailable.
Delighted as there isn’t anything more troublesome than a former red wanting to prove a point

Has kick off time being moved or have the mods got it wrong. The countdown to kick off is showing just shy of 7 hours, as if it’s a 3pm kick off. Is it not 5:30pm?

Has kick off time being moved or have the mods got it wrong. The countdown to kick off is showing just shy of 7 hours, as if it’s a 3pm kick off. Is it not 5:30pm?

Just noticed that myself and had to double check, as I’d organised my day around it!

Going for a 2  0 win for the Reds, our defence seemingly tightened up, a bit lately. Although expect a tough battle, with Rafa in charge at struggling Newcastle.

weve just spent 75 millions on a defender...I would hope so

It would be huge if we can win and Chelsea lose to City. That would open up a sizeable gap to 5th place and really put us in the driving seat for top 4 as a minimum.

Delighted to see that Shelvey is out for them. He's their most important player along with Lascelles. They will be tough to break down but I fancy us to win this one 2-0. VVD and Salah with the goals.

It would be huge if we can win and Chelsea lose to City. That would open up a sizeable gap to 5th place and really put us in the driving seat for top 4 as a minimum.

Delighted to see that Shelvey is out for them. He's their most important player along with Lascelles. They will be tough to break down but I fancy us to win this one 2-0. VVD and Salah with the goals.

Yep, win this and City beat Chelsea and it increases that gap.

Rafa will make it tough and even more so I fell coming back here but we should have enough to win this.

It'll be tight though and I think 2-1.

Been said by Heimdall and others that Rafa can plan and plot till he's blue in the face but they just don't have the defensive capabilities to shut out an attack as potent as ours.

But there is no script and the performance is not guaranteed. Whilst I fully expect us to run out easy winners all results are on the table. Nevertheless I'll say....4-0

Seems as if the team is

Karius, Trent, Lovren, VVD, Robertson, Hendo, Can, Ox, Salah, Firmino, Mane

Dick
Obviously
Extreme cold or hot temperatures and adverse conditions have an effect upon players.
You really don’t help yourself do you. Ugh.

instead of calling me a dick, this post by would be a lot more better if you enlightened us all on how adverse weather could have affected our players.

instead of calling me a dick, this post by would be a lot more better if you enlightened us all on how adverse weather could have affected our players.

With the wind chill of bout -9....Karius could get frost bite in his big toe..

Yeah if we get the expected win and City turn Chelsea over, it gives us a 7 point buffer. Might just need it playing Mancheater Utd next week. And with Conteh in the sh*t 'ouse with Abram we could strike a significant blow this weekend.

With the wind chill of bout -9....Karius could get frost bite in his big toe..

You raise a good point there. Maybe because thermal socks are just too expensive for football clubs to buy. Im thinking they would need to buy for all players,  if they brought for multiple days it would cost even more than Klopps iPad.

You raise a good point there. Maybe because thermal socks are just too expensive for football clubs to buy. Im thinking they would need to buy for all players,  if they brought for multiple days it would cost even more than Klopps iPad.

The so called snood was banned a few seasons back. But gloves are still worn..just imagine a winger coming out with gloves on facing Tommy Smith...the air would turn blue.

Remember a few years ago Chelsea got drawn away to Oldham and Oldham were saying stuff like..."those southerners won't like the cold biting wind.." Chelsea won and Vialli the then Chelsea manager to his credit said..." the crap they came out with saying we would not like the cold....we are Professionals for fucks sake..."

The so called snood was banned a few seasons back. But gloves are still worn..just imagine a winger coming out with gloves on facing Tommy Smith...the air would turn blue.

Remember a few years ago Chelsea got drawn away to Oldham and Oldham were saying stuff like..."those southerners won't like the cold biting wind.." Chelsea won and Vialli the then Chelsea manager to his credit said..." the crap they came out with saying we would not like the cold....we are Professionals for fucks sake..."

yes, heated pitch and thermals!
Snood ban is right, since if a player tugged on a snood it could cause neck injury.

I do think clubs should compensate fans who can't attend because of the weather today. Perhaps a free ticket to another game.

Live thread here. https://www.lfcreds.com/reds/index.php/topic,50176.0.html