They scored a fair number of goals past us. 1 or 2 were defensive errors, but you can't put them all down to the defence. They've just gone to the toilet and won. Something we couldn't do, and plenty of others before them couldn't either. They were second seeds in our group as well, so they're a decent side, and if we face them again, it'll be another tough game.
I didn't pick out European results. I went through a lot of them, even left some out, it's not exhaustive. The above list may have focused on European results, but I could post up many more. Everyone accepted it when it led to success, the questions only came when it failed. People only started to question Houllier when the 7 point lead we had earned quickly shrunk to nothing, and eventually a 5th place finish.
Look at the teams left in the competition. 7 of the 8 quarter finalists are primarily attack minded sides. Even Roma, who won the Chelsea/Atletico group. So attacking football has been rewarded, and those who set out to get a point here, nick a 0-0 there, have been left behind.
Can't be bothered debating whether sevilla are a decent team or not. You think they're a top side, I don't. Most pundits and people involved in the game seem to agree with me though which is why united going out to them was such a big deal.
Moreno cost us the game against them in Spain and we weren't much better defending against them at home either. It was an absolute shambles in both legs. We wouldn't throw the games away now like we did then and we would see them both out comfortably.
You're just plain wrong about our teams under houllier and Rafa. We might not have been as gung ho as we are now but we were never considered bus parkers. Who called us that? Did the press/pundits/fans/other managers repeatedly call us bus parkers? Because apart from you, I've never ever heard that phrase associated with a liverpool team.
We were never considered negative. We were never thought of as a team who couldn't play football. We didn't let the opposition play infront of us and barely kick the ball for 90 minutes.
We were ranked #1 in Europe and had a midfield of Gerrard alonso and mascherano under Rafa, with Torres upfront. We had footballing defenders like agger and aurellio. We even had a goalie who liked to play a bit of footy in Reina. We weren't no bus parking side.
I enjoyed some great nights during that era and I remember them very well. You can call us negative and bus parkers all you want but I'll keep telling you that you're wrong.
I'll prove it if you want and list facts about that era but I'd rather you didn't ask me too and instead just take a bit of time and watch some of our old games on YouTube or whatever instead. We were a very decent footballing side.
I'm no hypocrite like you're suggesting. If we parked the bus and were negative in our approach then I wouldn't be happy. I'd say I wasn't happy and I'd show my frustrations.
Even go through my posts, I've made plenty of comments in post match threads along the lines of 'we got the result but played very poorly today' and posters have jumped on my back and told me to just enjoy the win.
So back to the original point of all of this. I don't know how man united fans could possibly get behind their managers approach to games whether they win or lose. Keith has listed their recent achievements but I couldn't give a sh*t to be honest. They're one of the most boring, negative teams I've ever seen and personally I'd rather go without a trophy winning it in that manner and try and do it our way, because when we do win one, it'll be f**king great.
Could not be arsed winning the FA cup final 1-0 with 20% possession and an own goal from Gary Cahill.
