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      Liverpool 0-0 Stoke City: In game and Post Match discussion

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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Stoke City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #368: Apr 28, 2018 02:53:38 pm
      The TAA chance in the first half for me was a poor run by TAA. He actually should've just held back..Salah had a one on one more or less..and he has scored plenty from a position like that...he did not need TAA charging in like that...another striker would've just held off, mostly thru experience.

      Still can't see how taking Ings off increased our chances of winning the game. So many poor decisions today.
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      Reply #369: Apr 28, 2018 02:55:16 pm
      If we lost against Chelsea but beat Brighton we'd still finish top 4, no?

      Yes we would and also whether we win or lose against Roma we need to beat or draw Chelsea so top 4 should still be possible. Still annoying though.
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Stoke City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #370: Apr 28, 2018 02:58:58 pm
      For the lack of effort by Hendo, he should be dropped on Wednesday, and told  every game is as important as the next on its own merits !

      Yes let's drop our captain and the best player on the night against them in the first leg. That's what a poor performance against Stoke 'merits'. Braindead, keyboard warrior, crybaby nonsense. There is absolutely no way you could actually want that to happen so do us a favourite and stop vomiting on the keyboard for once.

      sh*te game today. sh*te players. sh*te referee. sh*te crowd. sh*te all round.

      No injuries though...
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      Reply #371: Apr 28, 2018 02:59:13 pm
      The TAA chance in the first half for me was a poor run by TAA. He actually should've just held back..Salah had a one on one more or less..and he has scored plenty from a position like that...he did not need TAA charging in like that...another striker would've just held off, mostly thru experience.

      Still can't see how taking Ings off increased our chances of winning the game. So many poor decisions today.

      Don't get this place sometimes - put Ings on midweek and it's slayered. Take Ings off this weekend and he's slayered.

      Jürgen just can't win with some of you lot can he? And yet here we are with a squad that doesn't have the strength in depth compared with our other top 6 rivals with top 4 very much in our hands and one foot in the final of the Champions League.

      Excuse me if I side with Jürgen on this occasion instead of you armchair coaches.
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Stoke City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #372: Apr 28, 2018 02:59:23 pm
      Not sure what was worse, the refereeing or our  performance on the pitch.

      Mind you these are all knee jerk reactions because I'm pissed.....



      Gomez and TAA...what a worthless combination today.  I can't decide which one was worse. Maybe Trent picked up a knock? At least that would give him an excuse. Him and Gomez looked like they've never played together before.

      VVD...probably the best player  on the pitch for me and he even had a couple of brain farts, although I think we'd have been more likely to score if we'd have moved him up to CF.

      Klavan...ok, nervy a couple times, nothing great, but overall I thought he did ok. Was actually more incisive with his passing than Hendo

      Moreno...you would think he had a decent game from watching, but when you compare his performance to what Robertson brings to the table...it's not even close. He's not good enough, offers no creativity or accurate forward passing. He can whip a ball in, but it's seldom at the right time.

      Hendo...worked hard, that's about it.  Didn't really run  the show like against Roma. Don't know if his knock affected him but he wasn't the midfield nuisance/enforcer he was midweek.

      Gini....probably the player I yelled at the most. Couldn't believe the number of times he took up  positions that actually brought  defenders into areas where our other players had space and time. Clogged up the game, slowed down our play and when he has the ball anywhere near the box, it's a black hole, you know that nothing good is going to happen.

      Firmino...hot and cold this game, wasn't his usual self but worked hard and harassed....passes a bit misplaced, I think he had to do too much defensive work and it didn't allow him to get in the flow of the game offensively.

      Salah...well, he's human I guess.  I thought that first chance was a goal, couldn't believe it wasn't. It happens sometimes. Also thought Pieters got away with murder and probably shouldn't have been in the game from the number of fouls he accumulated against Mo.

      Ings....thought he worked the hardest of the front three. With Pieters basically trying to take Mo out  of  the game, Ings had a lot of the ball and was very unfortunate with the offside call on his goal.  Still....just not sure if he's the second choice we need.

      Clyne....did ok, but I don't think he's displacing TAA for that RB spot.

      Milner....not much Jimmy could do at that point in the game but he was probably our most creative player once he came on.

      Klopp....he tried to rest some guys (who likely needed it) and it backfired. This lineup looked like they've never played together, no continuity, no understanding, nothing. Just a bunch of guys thrown together for a pickup  game. Didn't quite understand the subs. Would have liked to have seen more offensive minded players. Would have thrown Solanke on and/or Woodburn.

      We need to find some depth for our attack this summer, and we need to find some depth for our defense as well.

      We were aching for Adam Lallana today, don't think people understand how much we are missing him.

      Super frustrating, but we bounced back last week after a lackluster performance. If we do it this week then I'll forget this result pretty quickly. But for now, that really feels like a game that we should have had.


      Oh yea...and did I mention that the referee was atrocious.
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Stoke City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #373: Apr 28, 2018 03:01:12 pm
      It's fair to say from the gaffers point of view he's dealing in actuality & possibilty,we are actually in a semi of the European cup ,one game away from a final and a damn good chance of lifting number 6  because lets face it we've been outstanding in the comp & if we do win it we auto qualify next year whilst having our name on it for a 6th time ,he is also juggling balls in the air to get top four,yes I know it could go pear on both fronts but based on the here & now what I'm saying is 'as a red what would you do if you where in his boots'
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Stoke City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #374: Apr 28, 2018 03:02:34 pm
      Confirmed for me Ings, Moreno, Gomez have no future here.
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Stoke City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #375: Apr 28, 2018 03:03:26 pm
      Poor from us today very very slow. We can only asume that it was a bit of a hang over from Tuesdays game. We could be looking at keeping our eye on the table now hoping Chelsea drop points today or putting pressure on ourselves and having to beat them.let's not hope we have to rely on us winning the Champions league to get back in it next season. Gave my MOTM to Bobby just because he tryed. If we are going to play with a DM or DLPM next season we have bring in a player who is a specialist in that role and not rely on a player who is trying to be a specialist like Hendo. You can't play like a demon in one game then go to sleep in another like today.
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Stoke City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #376: Apr 28, 2018 03:04:41 pm
      Yes we would and also whether we win or lose against Roma we need to beat or draw Chelsea so top 4 should still be possible. Still annoying though.

      We need 3 points to hold off Chelsea. If we draw Chelsea they can only get 73 points that means we qualify on GD with 73 points...even if we lose to Brighton....If chelsea beat us and win their other 3 games we need to beat Brighton to finish 4th on GD.

      If Chelsea draw today...max 73 points...if they lose today max 72 points and we qualify......clear...nea rly..
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      Reply #377: Apr 28, 2018 03:08:25 pm
      I admire your positivity you need to do some public speaking


      Just can't see us not getting top4, bottom teams scrapping for points, hard to predict results against any side. Plus think if we at least draw against Chavs it's almost job done.
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Stoke City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #378: Apr 28, 2018 03:09:43 pm
      Don't get this place sometimes - put Ings on midweek and it's slayered. Take Ings off this weekend and he's slayered.

      Jürgen just can't win with some of you lot can he? And yet here we are with a squad that doesn't have the strength in depth compared with our other top 6 rivals with top 4 very much in our hands and one foot in the final of the Champions League.

      Excuse me if I side with Jürgen on this occasion instead of you armchair coaches.

      Well it's true..I'm an armchair fan...I don't live in L'pool anymore. I didn't knock Klopp over Roma subs. I thought Ings should've stayed on..if not give Woodburn a chance..Milner didn't get into the box.

      Breaking News: Klopp is not above criticism....no Liverpool manager or player has ever been above criticism...
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      Reply #379: Apr 28, 2018 03:15:41 pm
      Really don't agree about a lack of effort, effort was there but quality wasn't
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Stoke City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #380: Apr 28, 2018 03:16:48 pm
      Just can't see us not getting top4, bottom teams scrapping for points, hard to predict results against any side. Plus think if we at least draw against Chavs it's almost job done.

      Yes if I was a bookie....it would be Liverpool......2/11 on.....Chelsea...11/2 against...draw against the Chavs and it is job done their GD is only.....59/34...so its...25....ours is 80/37...43...so a draw in London... or a win over Brighton and we are top 4...it's still in our hands...just
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Stoke City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #381: Apr 28, 2018 03:19:04 pm
      Confirmed for me Ings, Moreno, Gomez have no future here.

      Bit much on Gomez that even if he has been the worst player across the last two domestic games.

      Ings and Moreno I agree though. Ings through no fault of his own but he's some considerable distance from being a viable alternative for our attack. Came into him once in the box in what was a fairly decent position and he just hacked at it without any awareness of who was around him.
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Stoke City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #382: Apr 28, 2018 03:20:59 pm
      Pedestrian.
      Outworked.
      Imprecise.
      Disappointing.

      But we move on.

      As far as Klopp goes, people need to understand he has to engage in damage control at this point of the season in terms of squad management. Between injuries and illness, he has to make some very tough calls.

      Ings probably came off because there is at least a chance that Sadio will not be able to play Wednesday. Trent definitely had a knock from early on. Most of the guys on the bench haven't played so much either.

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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Stoke City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #383: Apr 28, 2018 03:22:07 pm
      Won't say it any differently and I noticed Klavan brought the ball forward on more occassions then Hendo. That shows how bad he is. I I  am Hendo I would pick the right time and occasion to bomb into their box but he did nothing of such for 90 mins pus 6 mins. I'm sure there are plenty other players much much better then hendo in the league. Time for an upgrade next season, long long overdue.

      Yep it's wrong when your defenders are getting higher up the pitch and more involved around the opponent's penalty area than some of your mids.

      I really hope he is replaced next season myself, I have never really rated him so maybe my assessment is clouded a bit by that.

      But if if I only had the choice to replace one person next season it would be Henderson followed closely in second by Lovren.

      I think even keeping the back 4 as it is and just changing the midfield would be a massive upgrade next season.

      Someone dynamic like Keita will make a massive difference.
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      Reply #384: Apr 28, 2018 03:22:15 pm
      Well it's true..I'm an armchair fan...I don't live in L'pool anymore. I didn't knock Klopp over Roma subs. I thought Ings should've stayed on..if not give Woodburn a chance..Milner didn't get into the box.

      Breaking News: Klopp is not above criticism....no Liverpool manager or player has ever been above criticism...

      Fine but your criticism of his decision making bears no context to the stage we're at and the circumstances we find ourselves at this stage of the season which is beyond what anyone thought a few months ago.
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      Reply #385: Apr 28, 2018 03:24:33 pm
      Yes if I was a bookie....it would be Liverpool......2/11 on.....Chelsea...11/2 against...draw against the Chavs and it is job done their GD is only.....59/34...so its...25....ours is 80/37...43...so a draw or a win over Brighton and we are top 4...it's still in our hands...just

      Draw against them next week isn't almost.. It's SEALED!! Doesn't matter if Chavs win the other 3.. Doesn't matter what's the result vs Brighton

      Just draw vs Chavs
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Stoke City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #386: Apr 28, 2018 03:25:02 pm
      Massive over reaction in here. Agreed we should have won and we played sh*te, but ffs we've just come off a tough game with another tough game coming up. How would you guys have reacted had we picked up an injury? i'm delighted we've come through unscathed (I hope).

      Result and performance aside, we've got the biggest game of many a season on Wednesday and that's the only thing that matters. I cannot wait for Wednesday, I've already forgotten about that sh*te I've just watched. IF we beat Roma, then we have a EUROPEAN CUP FINAL to look forward to. The final is on the 26th May, all we need is a point at Chelsea, or a win v Brighton. Its fully in our hands!!

      Let's knock Roma out, then let's focus on the league. Even worst case scenario for the pessmimists, lets say we lose v Chelsea, we still have to beat Brighton and we still get 13 days rest for the Champions League final. Everything is in our own hands! The focus now is Roma and Roma only.

      Btw, we'll knock Roma out and then we'll f***in smash Chelsea at the bridge anyway cause we're gonna be so f***in pumped to be looking forward to another final in Kiev in May. F**k Chelsea, the f***in plastic cu*ts. They'll lose today at Swansea anyway the cu*ts.

      Come on REDS!!! I Believe!! YNWA
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Stoke City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #387: Apr 28, 2018 03:25:12 pm
      Just can't see us not getting top4, bottom teams scrapping for points, hard to predict results against any side. Plus think if we at least draw against Chavs it's almost job done.

      Agreed.

      Last couple of weeks remind me a bit of the end of Klopp's first season, when the priority clearly was the UEFA Cup, but we've had a better season of results this time around and it would take a collapse of epic proportions to not make top four. Understand these last two results are disappointing, but we're still going to muddle through.
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Stoke City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #388: Apr 28, 2018 03:26:51 pm
      Confirmed for me Ings, Moreno, Gomez have no future here.

      Gomez? Behave yourself
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Stoke City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #389: Apr 28, 2018 03:27:02 pm
      Prem form has been terrible recently
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Stoke City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #390: Apr 28, 2018 03:30:20 pm
      Confirmed for me Ings, Moreno, Gomez have no future here.

      I agree...virtually. I think Gomez could do playing at CB but that’s it, not as a back 3 though and not at RB.

      That said, I’d put Clyne in that list too, thought he was terrible, not rated him for a long time now.

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