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      Relegated clubs - who would you pinch??
      May 09, 2018 06:46:32 am
      Assuming Swansea join WBA and Stoke in next seasons Championship, are there any players you would nab?

      I’m thinking Shaqiri from Stoke and Mawson from Swansea would be good squad additions.

      Then of course there’s Jack Butland...

      And dare I mention Jonny Evans who is supposedly available for £3m...
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      Reply #1: May 09, 2018 09:46:09 am
      Assuming Swansea join WBA and Stoke in next seasons Championship, are there any players you would nab?

      I’m thinking Shaqiri from Stoke and Mawson from Swansea would be good squad additions.

      Then of course there’s Jack Butland...

      And dare I mention Jonny Evans who is supposedly available for £3m...

      None.

      All are average at best.

      We should only be in the market for elite players now.
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      Reply #2: May 09, 2018 09:47:24 am
      None.

      All are average at best.

      We should only be in the market for elite players now.

      I agree we should only buy players who are at least equal to what we have at the moment, not sign people just to sit on the bench
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      Reply #3: May 09, 2018 11:32:58 am
      Like Mawson. Not sure if he’d make the step up but he’s stood out every time I’ve watched them.

      No one else really though. Shaqiri would need to develop a higher IQ that he hasn’t shown yet to be able to play in our front line and Butland is trash.
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      Re: Relegated clubs - who would you pinch??
      Reply #4: May 09, 2018 11:46:50 am
      None.

      All are average at best.

      We should only be in the market for elite players now.

      People thought the same of Robertson. Why sign a guy from Hull who have been dog all season and been relegated... well, he’s turned out to be a boss signing and there’s no one else that I’d want at LB for us now.
      Also let’s not forget, we signed Van Dijk from one of the teams that has battled the drop all season.
      I’m not saying there is another steal among the relegated teams like Robertson, but it would be wrong to so easily dismiss it like you have done there mate.
      If Klopp thinks he’s good enough, and has the right attitude, I have no doubts Klopp would turn him into an elite player. Like he has done with Salah, Mane and Robbo is well on his way.

      But yeah swerve Butland, I’m still apologising for ever liking the idea of us signing him...
      « Last Edit: May 09, 2018 11:52:19 am by 7-King Kenny-7 »
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      Reply #5: May 09, 2018 01:18:57 pm
      Kieran Gibbs LB (WBA) Back up for Robertson
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      Reply #6: May 09, 2018 03:12:59 pm
      Kieran Gibbs LB (WBA) Back up for Robertson

      Oh god no! Milner again as LB would be more reassuring
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      Reply #7: May 09, 2018 03:23:50 pm
      hegazi to keep Mo sweet
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      Reply #8: May 09, 2018 03:29:43 pm
      Kieran Gibbs LB (WBA) Back up for Robertson

      I'd rather keep Moreno.
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      Reply #9: May 09, 2018 03:36:43 pm

      Don't worry, he has Lovren.
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      Reply #10: May 09, 2018 03:37:14 pm
      People thought the same of Robertson. Why sign a guy from Hull who have been dog all season and been relegated... well, he’s turned out to be a boss signing and there’s no one else that I’d want at LB for us now.
      Also let’s not forget, we signed Van Dijk from one of the teams that has battled the drop all season.
      I’m not saying there is another steal among the relegated teams like Robertson, but it would be wrong to so easily dismiss it like you have done there mate.
      If Klopp thinks he’s good enough, and has the right attitude, I have no doubts Klopp would turn him into an elite player. Like he has done with Salah, Mane and Robbo is well on his way.

      But yeah swerve Butland, I’m still apologising for ever liking the idea of us signing him...

      Robertson was highly rated at Hull last season and was outstanding in the Championship the season before. I wasn't surprised when we moved for him. Not that I expected him to turn out as brilliant as he has.

      None of the players at either Swans or Baggies appeal to me. Mawson and Shaqiri maybe at a push.
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      Reply #11: May 09, 2018 03:48:00 pm
      Kieran Gibbs LB (WBA) Back up for Robertson

      Take his keyboard off him
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      Re: Relegated clubs - who would you pinch??
      Reply #12: May 09, 2018 05:38:19 pm
      None.

      All are average at best.

      We should only be in the market for elite players now.

      I think you should have learned from Robbo. If they fit the system it doesn’t matter where they come from.

      Stoke, maybe Pieters or Shaqiri but the latter would need to change his attitude. Pieters would be a solid squad player I think.

      West Brom, Evans for sure would be good. James McLean too, think he’s a fiery character who you hate when he’s at other club but if he plays for you it’s the opposite.

      If Saints go down they’ve a few good players but Swansea... not sure I’d have anyone
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      Reply #13: May 09, 2018 05:53:22 pm
      I think you should have learned from Robbo. If they fit the system it doesn’t matter where they come from.

      Stoke, maybe Pieters or Shaqiri but the latter would need to change his attitude. Pieters would be a solid squad player I think.

      West Brom, Evans for sure would be good. James McLean too, think he’s a fiery character who you hate when he’s at other club but if he plays for you it’s the opposite.

      If Saints go down they’ve a few good players but Swansea... not sure I’d have anyone

      You can just imagine John W thinking the same thing - we don't need to spend big, Jürgen go and pluck another few rabbits out the hat. Who needs Fekir at £60M when you could have Tadic at £15M. Who needs Pulisic at £70M when you should have Shaqiri at £20M. Allison? Nah Jack Butland. Koulibaly? Nah Johnny Evans.......
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      Re: Relegated clubs - who would you pinch??
      Reply #14: May 09, 2018 06:09:20 pm

      Ings will be pleased.
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      Reply #15: May 09, 2018 06:13:18 pm
      F**k the lot of them
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      Reply #16: May 09, 2018 07:15:49 pm
      I'm in the 'look at the player, not the club he's at' camp, but I don't see any obvious candidates at the relegated (or likely to be) clubs.
      Alfie Mawson I like, but he may be one of those dogged players who suits dogged, defensive teams!
      Boufal at Southampton has impressed in bursts.  Fabianski I think is underrated.
      Jay Rodriguez, Evans and Jake Livermore are probably the pick of WBA's squad.

      Would I have any of them at Anfield?  Probably not, and Mawson and Boufal are the only ones in an age range where we might be able to develop them.

      Another possible thread would be:
      Our top 4 rivals - which out of favour players would you pinch?

      There's John Stones at City (who I always feel could be superb converted to a defensive midfield role)
      Anthony Martial at United (not suited to Maureen's style, may be suited to ours)
      Lamela, Winks, Moura, at Spuds
      Welbeck and Kolasinac at Arsenal
      Willian (not out of favour but apparently being considered in a swap for Martial?!), Drinkwater, Barkley at Chelski.

      Sorry it's off-thread a bit but I'd be interested in your thoughts!
      « Last Edit: May 09, 2018 07:31:55 pm by TheleftpegofRayKennedy »
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      Reply #17: May 09, 2018 07:27:39 pm
      West Brom striker, Rodriguez???  Could he bring something positive off the bench ??
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      Reply #18: May 09, 2018 08:06:13 pm
      You can just imagine John W thinking the same thing - we don't need to spend big, Jürgen go and pluck another few rabbits out the hat. Who needs Fekir at £60M when you could have Tadic at £15M. Who needs Pulisic at £70M when you should have Shaqiri at £20M. Allison? Nah Jack Butland. Koulibaly? Nah Johnny Evans.......

      Are we still doing this song and dance about the owners?

      Can't wait to see those who said 'The Keita money won't count until next summer' try and wrangle that 'The Keita money was spent last season'. I know it's coming.
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      Reply #19: May 09, 2018 08:10:37 pm
      Are we still doing this song and dance about the owners?

      Can't wait to see those who said 'The Keita money won't count until next summer' try and wrangle that 'The Keita money was spent last season'. I know it's coming.

      With Keita already coming, once Fekir becomes official that will be almost 120M paid for the 2 of them with more transfer to come. Wonder what excuse people will use then
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      Reply #20: May 09, 2018 08:28:04 pm
      West Brom striker, Rodriguez???  Good he bring something positive off the bench ??

      Haven't seen a lot of him but he reminds me of Lallana and had thought he might be a better option off the bench than Ings or Solanke, and might not cost a lot - then again you never know the way fees are going these days.
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      Reply #21: May 09, 2018 08:37:16 pm

       :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: worth the plus 1 just for that alone  :lmao: :lmao:
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      Reply #22: May 09, 2018 09:13:20 pm
      With Keita already coming, once Fekir becomes official that will be almost 120M paid for the 2 of them with more transfer to come. Wonder what excuse people will use then

      Something something Phil Coutinho I imagine
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      Reply #23: May 09, 2018 10:14:21 pm
      I'd have Shaqiri.  I remember we were linked with him when he came over.

      Someone genuinely different to what we have IMO.

      Obviously it's price sensitive and I'd imagine Stoke have enough Premier League TV money banked to not be forced into a firesale?
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      Reply #24: May 09, 2018 10:39:03 pm
      I'd have Shaqiri.  I remember we were linked with him when he came over.

      Someone genuinely different to what we have IMO.

      Obviously it's price sensitive and I'd imagine Stoke have enough Premier League TV money banked to not be forced into a firesale?

      Hard to see him keeping up with a Klopp side...fat and slow; shows flair but disappears.

      Would hope we could do a whole lot better level of player.
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      Reply #25: May 09, 2018 11:13:52 pm
      Quite like Rodriguez and Rondon but if we get CL football for the second year in a row we should be aiming higher in all honesty.
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      Reply #26: May 10, 2018 07:46:48 am
      With Keita already coming, once Fekir becomes official that will be almost 120M paid for the 2 of them with more transfer to come. Wonder what excuse people will use then

      Maybe the £143m they got for Phil?

      Plus tbc.......
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      Reply #27: May 10, 2018 10:27:55 am
      Personally, considering we've been thin on the ground in the midfield area I'd get the "Welsh Xavi" back. Would be a good squad player.
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      Reply #28: May 10, 2018 10:56:34 am
      Personally, considering we've been thin on the ground in the midfield area I'd get the "Welsh Xavi" back. Would be a good squad player.

      I always liked Joe Allen I think, particuarly this season he'd have got plenty football if he'd stayed around. To be fair I think it was him that wanted to go and play rather than Klopp shoving him out the door
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      Reply #29: May 10, 2018 04:27:43 pm
      Maybe the £143m they got for Phil?

      Plus tbc.......

      No, no, no. the 143M for Phil is already used to net out this season's spend. We need new excuses  :)
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      Reply #30: May 10, 2018 04:35:15 pm
      No, no, no. the 143M for Phil is already used to net out this season's spend. We need new excuses  :)

      There is a body of evidence to show we spend no more than 30m net per year
      The owners laid out their plan from day one


      It's stupid to deny it

      And I don't dislike the owners for the record

      I don't look for hyperbole to one extreme or the other but the figures are there since their ownership began 🤷‍♂️

      We spend what we generate nothing more..
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      Reply #31: May 10, 2018 04:35:53 pm
      Personally, considering we've been thin on the ground in the midfield area I'd get the "Welsh Xavi" back. Would be a good squad player.

      We are way past looking at the Allen's of the world. We need quality that is close to the starters we already have, to provide competition and maintain quality levels when rotating.
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      Reply #32: May 10, 2018 04:41:58 pm
      There is a body of evidence to show we spend no more than 30m net per year
      The owners laid out their plan from day one


      It's stupid to deny it

      And I don't dislike the owners for the record

      I don't look for hyperbole to one extreme or the other but the figures are there since their ownership began 🤷‍♂️

      We spend what we generate nothing more..

      I see, so the sale of Coutinho was pushed onto Klopp to zero out our net spend and with Keita costing 50M, Fekir a rumored 60M, and with more quality transfers to come in, surely this summer we will see the departure of one of Firmino, Salah or Mane, possibly 2, to be able to balance this magical 30M budget  :lmao:
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      Reply #33: May 10, 2018 04:44:31 pm
      I see, so the sale of Coutinho was pushed onto Klopp to zero out our net spend and with Keita costing 50M, Fekir a rumored 60M, and with more quality transfers to come in, surely this summer we will see the departure of one of Firmino, Salah or Mane, possibly 2, to be able to balance this magical 30M budget  :lmao:

      Where the f**k did I say that you bell end?
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      Reply #34: May 10, 2018 04:53:21 pm
      Where the f**k did I say that you bell end?

      We spend only what we generate and nothing more, right? So having spent over 150M on VVD, Salah, Ox, etc, surely meant Henry and Co had to force a Coutinho sale to be able to offset that spend, because we cannot purchase beyond what we generate.

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      Reply #35: May 10, 2018 04:57:48 pm
      We spend only what we generate and nothing more, right? So having spent over 150M on VVD, Salah, Ox, etc, surely meant Henry and Co had to force a Coutinho sale to be able to offset that spend, because we cannot purchase beyond what we generate.

      If that's what you read into what I said then you are illiterate too
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      Reply #36: May 10, 2018 05:04:42 pm
      We spend only what we generate and nothing more, right? So having spent over 150M on VVD, Salah, Ox, etc, surely meant Henry and Co had to force a Coutinho sale to be able to offset that spend, because we cannot purchase beyond what we generate.



      Just go back and look at our net spend since FSG have been in charge and that £30M a year won’t be far off.
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      Reply #37: May 10, 2018 05:06:12 pm
      The real conundrum will be this summer. Who will we sell to be able to hit no more than 30m net? Phil's money already went to pay for last year's transfers, and Keita is not cheap, neither would be Fekir and the other midfielder, either Can's replacement or Gini's replacement if he's moved to the #6 spot, won't be cheap either. That is without a VVD-quality CB or 60M for Allison. It'll be sad to see our world-class from 3 broken up, but the budget needs to balance not to exceed 30M as the owners laid the plan out from day 1 :(

      JFC, to think that we have a definite budget we need to stick to is absurd, even more so to think we can only spend what we generate.
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      Reply #39: May 10, 2018 05:12:00 pm
      Just go back and look at our net spend since FSG have been in charge and that £30M a year won’t be far off.

      It's not even that much (but by circumstance more than design I'd guess)

      Spent 644m
      Revieved 550m

      94m spent since 2011 works out at under 12m net per year (including 2018 January and not summer)

      Figures from the echo

      Jürgen has signed 11 players since 2015 to think he will either have the budget or inclination to sign 6-8 players this summer is fanciful
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      Reply #40: May 10, 2018 05:14:53 pm
      No, no, no. the 143M for Phil is already used to net out this season's spend. We need new excuses  :)

      You can’t have it both ways dude. £70m on VVD leaves £70m+ minimum in the coffers.........I’ll give you £50m for Naby IF you insist that’s next season but that only partially offsets......

      Either way trying to mitigate the ludicrously low net spend is a bit like climate change denial........

      That’s not even a good effort ;)
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      Reply #41: May 10, 2018 05:26:35 pm
      It's not even that much (but by circumstance more than design I'd guess)

      Spent 644m
      Revieved 550m

      94m spent since 2011 works out at under 12m net per year (including 2018 January and not summer)

      Figures from the echo

      Jürgen has signed 11 players since 2015 to think he will either have the budget or inclination to sign 6-8 players this summer is fanciful

      and almost half of that came from 3 players (Sterling, Suarez, Coutinho) who threw fits to leave the team, but in tinfoil hat world the sales were really made to balance the budget, right?

      and we don't need 6-8 players, unless you're talking kids with potential for the U23. We need 2-3, maybe 4, but of high quality and they won't be cheap, so using your logic the owners will surely be pushing for the breakup of our front 3 to be able to afford that. tinfoil hat and all.
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      Reply #42: May 10, 2018 05:30:37 pm
      You can’t have it both ways dude. £70m on VVD leaves £70m+ minimum in the coffers.........I’ll give you £50m for Naby IF you insist that’s next season but that only partially offsets......

      Either way trying to mitigate the ludicrously low net spend is a bit like climate change denial........

      That’s not even a good effort ;)

      Not sure i follow. YOu are looking at calendar spend and i am looking at it from a '17-'18 season spend. This season we have spent on Salah, Ox, Robertson and VVD and that was offset by Phil's sale. Keita is part of 2018-2019 season spend, at least as transfermarket has it

      https://www.transfermarkt.com/fc-liverpool/transfers/verein/31

      So i'll also say you can't have it both ways. If Phil's money goes towards this summer's spend, then that means last summer and january windows we spent 168M (oh no, the budget!), or if you count Phil towards this season's spend, then this summer and next Jan window we'll need to sell big-name players to raise enough funds to buy, under the tinfoil logic.
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      Reply #43: May 10, 2018 05:38:07 pm
      and almost half of that came from 3 players (Sterling, Suarez, Coutinho) who threw fits to leave the team, but in tinfoil hat world the sales were really made to balance the budget, right?

      and we don't need 6-8 players, unless you're talking kids with potential for the U23. We need 2-3, maybe 4, but of high quality and they won't be cheap, so using your logic the owners will surely be pushing for the breakup of our front 3 to be able to afford that. tinfoil hat and all.

      You'd not still prefer to have those 3 players?

      You don't read so well do you?

      I said swayed due to circumstances

      I personally don't think that we spend all that without recouping all of that.
      Know why? Because the owners said so

      Did I say or do I think the owners forced the Coutinho sale? No I don't but I don't think Jürgen would be looking to replace him had he not left
      I believe that coutinho forced it and the owners said it's yours to replace.. why? Because it fits with what the f**king owners said

      I don't believe they are asset stripping or pocketing money or holding up other businesses off of us but I belief we spend what we generate.. why? Because the f**king owners said so

      You know why I believe it? Because there is a body of evidence that backs it up.. Not one or two years but the figures back it up from the day they walked through the door.

      Unbelievable

      I believe what I can see, not what I choose to hang onto

      I bet you believe santa  don't You? Cause someone told you
      (can just imagine you now shaking your head with a wry simple... this lad doesn't even believe in the big man who brings me presents that me ma told me about

      I believe in evidence that is there to see

      So no I don't believe have had the ability to spend 200m a year but chose not to.. the figures are there over a long period to prove otherwise

      I don't belief in santa  or a man with a beard sitting in the clouds
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      Reply #44: May 10, 2018 05:38:20 pm
      Good player called Fookin Noone is the best from the relegated clubs.
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      Reply #45: May 10, 2018 05:39:26 pm
      Not sure i follow. YOu are looking at calendar spend and i am looking at it from a '17-'18 season spend. This season we have spent on Salah, Ox, Robertson and VVD and that was offset by Phil's sale. Keita is part of 2018-2019 season spend, at least as transfermarket has it

      https://www.transfermarkt.com/fc-liverpool/transfers/verein/31

      So i'll also say you can't have it both ways. If Phil's money goes towards this summer's spend, then that means last summer and january windows we spent 168M (oh no, the budget!), or if you count Phil towards this season's spend, then this summer and next Jan window we'll need to sell big-name players to raise enough funds to buy, under the tinfoil logic.

      You would be wrong though. That’s just a lot of words that all the plants before you have used and it says nothing to contradict the facts........

      FSG net spend is not good enough to create and maintain the squad depth required.

      The job Klopp is doing is unbelievable with the funds available. His refusal to compromise on quality is what is rewarding us right now.

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      Reply #46: May 10, 2018 06:08:40 pm
      You would be wrong though. That’s just a lot of words that all the plants before you have used and it says nothing to contradict the facts........

      FSG net spend is not good enough to create and maintain the squad depth required.

      The job Klopp is doing is unbelievable with the funds available. His refusal to compromise on quality is what is rewarding us right now.

      They are not words, they are facts. The tinfoil runs deeper on here than i thought.

      If Phil had not become a snake, he'd still be here, regardless of whatever imaginary budget you folks think we have. Getting Keita, plus Fekir, plus whatever other transfers we bring in this summer, will cost well in excess of 100M and without breaking up our front 3 we'll have a massive net spend this summer. Look forward to the excuses then. But you need to be creative and get new ones because Coutinho is already used up.
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      Reply #47: May 10, 2018 06:33:55 pm
      They are not words, they are facts. The tinfoil runs deeper on here than i thought.

      If Phil had not become a snake, he'd still be here, regardless of whatever imaginary budget you folks think we have. Getting Keita, plus Fekir, plus whatever other transfers we bring in this summer, will cost well in excess of 100M and without breaking up our front 3 we'll have a massive net spend this summer. Look forward to the excuses then. But you need to be creative and get new ones because Coutinho is already used up.

      He was used up when he left fella.........that’s the way love goes.......
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      Reply #48: May 10, 2018 11:28:39 pm
      Good player called Fookin Noone is the best from the relegated clubs.

      Fookin Noone...Fekir...

      If these deals happen, I think we need to consider putting nicknames on the back of next season's shirts.
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      Reply #49: May 11, 2018 01:55:40 pm
      So....a new FSG champion has emerged. Interesting.
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      Reply #50: May 11, 2018 03:35:25 pm
      ;D, the amount of tin foil is amusing. As i said, i look forward to the excuses this summer, but keep them fresh, please.
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      Reply #51: May 11, 2018 03:48:42 pm
      What's tin foil about facts and praise where praise is due?

      Can't be arsed with continuing the money argument with a simpleton.. it's all there in black and white.. what we've spent..what we've sold.. the overall.. the net..

      If you can read you can see it, no one is making figures up here

      I don't dislike them whatsoever.. they've done some good stuff and some poor stuff

      They've kept me at Anfield where my grandad went, where he took me and now where I take my son's..
      They've brought in the best manager we could hope for who is doing an amazing job and I'm happier than I've been in over a decade football wise

      All good.. but the figures are there in black and white..  no tin foil.. you're just making yourself looking f**king stupid by suggesting something other than what's there for all to see

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      Reply #52: May 11, 2018 04:13:28 pm
      Rather check out Burnley. They can be the new Southampton.
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      Reply #53: May 11, 2018 04:27:10 pm
      Rather check out Burnley. They can be the new Southampton.

      Think they will become the new West Brom and Stoke the way the try to bore the game to death.
      Worked for them this season but chances are it won’t next time.
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      Reply #54: May 11, 2018 05:06:31 pm
      What's tin foil about facts and praise where praise is due?

      Can't be arsed with continuing the money argument with a simpleton.. it's all there in black and white.. what we've spent..what we've sold.. the overall.. the net..

      If you can read you can see it, no one is making figures up here

      I don't dislike them whatsoever.. they've done some good stuff and some poor stuff

      They've kept me at Anfield where my grandad went, where he took me and now where I take my son's..
      They've brought in the best manager we could hope for who is doing an amazing job and I'm happier than I've been in over a decade football wise

      All good.. but the figures are there in black and white..  no tin foil.. you're just making yourself looking f**king stupid by suggesting something other than what's there for all to see

      👌

      Here are a couple of things about the tin foil community that i find amusing when it comes to net spend:

      1. You look at net spend to satisfy your confirmation bias and never looking at the context of why key players were sold that are driving the transfer money coming in. Sterling, Suarez and Coutinho all forced their way out and their sales were to get rid of a problem but with your tunnel vision you only see these sales being done to fund purchases. There is no other possible explanation.

      Countinho is a great example of this shitty view. Phil was given a shiny new contract but a few months before he started his ploy to leave the team by putting in his TR the day before the opening game of the season, being "injured" and not playing but miraculously recovering on the flight to Brazil to play for the national team, only for the same flight back to injure him again. At that same time he was doing this and we had spent on Salah, Ox, Robertson, tried like hell to get Keita and would have gotten VVD if not for some weird f**k up by someone, we were saying "Phil is not for sale" and he was told to stay. Eventually when Klopp had had enough Phil was sold but your cynical, short-sighted view is that we made the purchases we did because we knew we were going to sell.

      2. It undermines the excellent job the scouts and operations team does for this team in both buying and selling players, where one year they can sucker teams into paying 30M for Benteke and 15M for Ibe, who have 5 goals between them this season, and the following year turn around and get Salah for basically the same money. Or get 15M for Allen and unearth Andy Robertson for 9M. While i look at these examples and think "holy sh*t, we did a great job getting that much for those players who are busts and brought in a 40gl scorer and our potential LB for the next 8yrs for a bargain", all tin foilers see and think is "ah ha! we got 60M and spent 50M and that is unacceptable from our owners". That is a really shitty attitude to have towards the team.

      Tin foilers are unable to see intent and are fixated on what the net spend ends up being without regard for context, so i know the excuses will continue this summer when we go after quality players, but i just hope they are fresh and innovative. Phil's sale has already been sliced too many ways so it is worn out.
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      Reply #55: May 11, 2018 05:11:36 pm
      Here are a couple of things about the tin foil community that i find amusing when it comes to net spend:

      1. You look at net spend to satisfy your confirmation bias and never looking at the context of why key players were sold that are driving the transfer money coming in. Sterling, Suarez and Coutinho all forced their way out and their sales were to get rid of a problem but with your tunnel vision you only see these sales being done to fund purchases. There is no other possible explanation.

      Countinho is a great example of this shitty view. Phil was given a shiny new contract but a few months before he started his ploy to leave the team by putting in his TR the day before the opening game of the season, being "injured" and not playing but miraculously recovering on the flight to Brazil to play for the national team, only for the same flight back to injure him again. At that same time he was doing this and we had spent on Salah, Ox, Robertson, tried like hell to get Keita and would have gotten VVD if not for some weird f**k up by someone, we were saying "Phil is not for sale" and he was told to stay. Eventually when Klopp had had enough Phil was sold but your cynical, short-sighted view is that we made the purchases we did because we knew we were going to sell.

      2. It undermines the excellent job the scouts and operations team does for this team in both buying and selling players, where one year they can sucker teams into paying 30M for Benteke and 15M for Ibe, who have 5 goals between them this season, and the following year turn around and get Salah for basically the same money. Or get 15M for Allen and unearth Andy Robertson for 9M. While i look at these examples and think "holy sh*t, we did a great job getting that much for those players who are busts and brought in a 40gl scorer and our potential LB for the next 8yrs for a bargain", all tin foilers see and think is "ah ha! we got 60M and spent 50M and that is unacceptable from our owners". That is a really shitty attitude to have towards the team.

      Tin foilers are unable to see intent and are fixated on what the net spend ends up being without regard for context, so i know the excuses will continue this summer when we go after quality players, but i just hope they are fresh and innovative. Phil's sale has already been sliced too many ways so it is worn out.

      Here’s a tip.

      If you used less rhetoric you really wouldn’t need to number your deep, considered argument all the way to................2

      Just sayin’ ;)

      Oh and are you sure you have the tin foil label right way round......because you’ve got my fillings going crazy!
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      Reply #56: May 12, 2018 07:54:12 pm
      Forget about Shaqiri, he is a prima donna and will kick up a fuss if he doesn't start games, and is too much of a luxury player to have around.

      In my opinion the best transfers (to improve our bench) we could make from the relegated teams are:

      WBA - Salomon Rondon (good target-man who could offer us a plan B against bus parkers)

      Swansea - Fabianski (very good backup if Mignolet leaves and we don't sign a top keeper), Mawson (decent backup for Matip and VVD), i was going to say Andre Ayew but he is in the same bracket as Shaqiri

      Stoke - Butland (again a very good keeper who could challenge Karius), Ramadan Sobhi (young, a decent backup for the wing role), Josh Tymon (a good prospect who could develop further).
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      Reply #57: May 13, 2018 03:05:29 pm
      No. No one of interest.

      See Crouchie is lining up as centre forward for Stoke today .


      He left us 10 years ago.
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      Reply #58: May 15, 2018 09:12:16 am
      If a gun was put to my head and I had to take one from each it would be:

      Swansea - Mawson
      Stoke - Shaqiri
      WBA - Evans (I know he is a former Manc but he is solid)
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      Reply #59: May 15, 2018 09:19:57 am
      If a gun was put to my head and I had to take one from each it would be:



      If  gun was put to my head and I had to choose one from each



      I'd let them pull the trigger

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      Reply #60: May 15, 2018 10:09:16 am
      If a gun was put to my head and I had to take one from each it would be:

      Swansea - Mawson
      Stoke - Shaqiri
      WBA - Evans (I know he is a former Manc but he is solid)

      If  gun was put to my head and I had to choose one from each



      I'd let them pull the trigger

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      I’d point it at them.......
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      Reply #61: May 16, 2018 12:08:00 am
      How about signing players that probably kept a club up.

      West Ham:

      Lanzini or Arnaoutovic.
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      Reply #62: May 16, 2018 12:16:14 am
      How about signing players that probably kept a club up.

      West Ham:

      Lanzini or Arnaoutovic.

      Good shout. Arnautovic is an interesting one - when we played West Ham a couple of months back he was definitely the in form player (and probably one of the most in form players in the league). We did really well in stopping him from doing any damage although there were a couple of moments where on another day he would have got something. Really strong and powerful as well and would be an excellent player for us in many ways. But his attitude however is something I don't know about. I know he goaded Mark Hughes on the touchline a few weeks back and I'm not sure if Klopp would like that.
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      Reply #63: May 16, 2018 12:28:30 am
      Good shout. Arnautovic is an interesting one - when we played West Ham a couple of months back he was definitely the in form player (and probably one of the most in form players in the league). We did really well in stopping him from doing any damage although there were a couple of moments where on another day he would have got something. Really strong and powerful as well and would be an excellent player for us in many ways. But his attitude however is something I don't know about. I know he goaded Mark Hughes on the touchline a few weeks back and I'm not sure if Klopp would like that.

      We need a snide.
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      Reply #64: May 21, 2018 09:10:20 am

      Certainly quick (enough) and physical.

      Good finisher......Bobby understudy?
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      Reply #65: May 21, 2018 10:23:49 am
      Not Arnautovic. Comes across as an arsehole - thick, egotistical, potential trouble maker. Don't think Klopp would go near him.

      Lanzini I like, but I'm not sure if he's the type of player we need. Ox was our Coutinho replacement, and Lallana is is our other option for the creative mid role. If there are question marks about Lallana's fitness, then maybe Lanzini might come into the reckoning ( although if the rumours about Fekir are right, we may be already addressing that.)
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      Reply #66: May 21, 2018 11:38:42 am
      Not Arnautovic. Comes across as an arsehole - thick, egotistical, potential trouble maker. Don't think Klopp would go near him.

      I agree
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      Reply #67: May 21, 2018 12:09:37 pm
      Not Arnautovic. Comes across as an arsehole - thick, egotistical, potential trouble maker. Don't think Klopp would go near him.

      Lanzini I like, but I'm not sure if he's the type of player we need. Ox was our Coutinho replacement, and Lallana is is our other option for the creative mid role. If there are question marks about Lallana's fitness, then maybe Lanzini might come into the reckoning ( although if the rumours about Fekir are right, we may be already addressing that.)

      Just spitballing........BUT funny though I do remember Jürgen specifically talking about Arnautovic’s quality before / after a game this season or last.

      Was very complimentary.......
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      Reply #68: May 21, 2018 12:15:07 pm
      Not Arnautovic. Comes across as an arsehole - thick, egotistical, potential trouble maker. Don't think Klopp would go near him.

      Lanzini I like, but I'm not sure if he's the type of player we need. Ox was our Coutinho replacement, and Lallana is is our other option for the creative mid role. If there are question marks about Lallana's fitness, then maybe Lanzini might come into the reckoning ( although if the rumours about Fekir are right, we may be already addressing that.)

      Remember when he left werder bremen bild thanked arnautovic for all the stories he managed to create for them and at inter milan he knicked samuel eto'o's cat
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      Reply #69: May 21, 2018 01:44:04 pm

      Is that a euphemism for something?
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      Reply #70: May 21, 2018 02:45:35 pm
      Good shout. Arnautovic is an interesting one - when we played West Ham a couple of months back he was definitely the in form player (and probably one of the most in form players in the league). We did really well in stopping him from doing any damage although there were a couple of moments where on another day he would have got something. Really strong and powerful as well and would be an excellent player for us in many ways. But his attitude however is something I don't know about. I know he goaded Mark Hughes on the touchline a few weeks back and I'm not sure if Klopp would like that.

      He's a bit of a maverick by most accounts. Pretty sure Mourinho called him 'unmanageable'. You'd like to think he would change for an opportunity like Liverpool but it never ceases to amaze me how that sort of thing rarely ever curbs their attitudes.

      There's nobody in the relegated teams of any use to us really. Perhaps Livermore as sven further cover in the middle.
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      Reply #71: May 21, 2018 02:55:17 pm

      We definitely do.

      I'd take Arnautovic here.
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      Reply #72: May 24, 2018 09:02:07 am
      Even if Southampton are staying up I'd take a look at Oriol Romeu.

      I Like the way he plays, no-nonsense. Impressive numbers (for the season) in terms of interceptions (5th) and tackles (7th). An upgrade defensively over what we have in that position.
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      Reply #73: May 27, 2018 10:48:04 am
      we need to stop looking at these types of players now, we need elite players now.

      and for every good or half decent player we have got from these types of teams we have a dozen failures
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      Reply #74: May 27, 2018 11:19:36 am
      we need to stop looking at these types of players now, we need elite players now.

      and for every good or half decent player we have got from these types of teams we have a dozen failures

      For every Mignolet , there is a Robertson.

      I agree to an extent. our first 11 is pretty good, though the midfield is getting upgraded (with keita and hopefully Fekir) and hopefully a  new goalkeeper.

      Defence has improved with VVD and Robertson.

      We need a bigger squad with extra quality. We proved last night in the first 25 minutes we could go head to head with the very best.

      I trust Klopp - his record in the transfer market is pretty good.
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      Reply #75: May 27, 2018 01:48:06 pm
      For every Mignolet , there is a Robertson.

      I agree to an extent. our first 11 is pretty good, though the midfield is getting upgraded (with keita and hopefully Fekir) and hopefully a  new goalkeeper.

      Defence has improved with VVD and Robertson.

      We need a bigger squad with extra quality. We proved last night in the first 25 minutes we could go head to head with the very best.

      I trust Klopp - his record in the transfer market is pretty good.

      our 1st 11 is pretty good, but we can vastly improve it as well, Keeper, Lovren, Central mid and our full backs have had good seasons, but im still worried about them - but i have much more faith in them improving than the likes of Lovren.

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      Reply #76: May 28, 2018 11:13:19 pm
      Jonny Evans would be a massive upgrade on Ragnar and imho he is a better defender than Lovren.  He’s a leader and a very experienced international defender who has played at the highest level.  I think he would be a fantastic addition to the squad and I’m hoping that sooner or later Joe Gomez will get his opportunity in the centre also.
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      Reply #77: May 29, 2018 08:53:18 am
      Jonny Evans would be a massive upgrade on Ragnar and imho he is a better defender than Lovren.  He’s a leader and a very experienced international defender who has played at the highest level.  I think he would be a fantastic addition to the squad and I’m hoping that sooner or later Joe Gomez will get his opportunity in the centre also.

      He is on a par with Ragnar and nowhere near as good as Lovren.

      Nothing like an upgrade and too old and slow.
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      Reply #78: May 29, 2018 03:03:42 pm
      How about Jack Butland if available on the cheap?
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      Reply #79: May 29, 2018 03:06:23 pm
      Jonny Evans would be a massive upgrade on Ragnar and imho he is a better defender than Lovren.  He’s a leader and a very experienced international defender who has played at the highest level.  I think he would be a fantastic addition to the squad and I’m hoping that sooner or later Joe Gomez will get his opportunity in the centre also.

      F**k that, I'd rather stick with Ragnar & Matip as back up!!

      Before we got VVD and we were panicking about defence then maybe, but now, not a chance.
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      Reply #80: May 29, 2018 03:06:25 pm
      How about Jack Butland if available on the cheap?

      100% yes if he is willing to be 3rd or 4th choice, £10k p/w wages and £5m to buy him!
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      Reply #81: May 29, 2018 07:33:37 pm
      How's about Swansea's Fabianski as back up to our 'new' keeper?

      Sure they got relegated but he was solid.
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      Reply #82: May 30, 2018 07:18:54 pm
      He is on a par with Ragnar and nowhere near as good as Lovren.

      Nothing like an upgrade and too old and slow.


      I beg to differ,  Evans is a better defender than Lovren.  He’s proven it on the international stage as well as at club level.  Ferguson rated him highly,  Wenger did and Guardiola clearly wanted him also.  A lot of you are struggling to get past the fact that he used to be a Manc.  At Euro 2016 Jonny Evans was a real leader at the back for N Ireland and had  great tournament
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      Reply #83: May 30, 2018 07:41:45 pm

      I beg to differ,  Evans is a better defender than Lovren.  He’s proven it on the international stage as well as at club level.  Ferguson rated him highly,  Wenger did and Guardiola clearly wanted him also.  A lot of you are struggling to get past the fact that he used to be a Manc.  At Euro 2016 Jonny Evans was a real leader at the back for N Ireland and had  great tournament


      Differ away.

      He still isn’t though. Nowhere near.

      Evans is bang ordinary. The fact that he’s a manc is irrelevant to my assessment.
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      Reply #84: May 30, 2018 07:44:55 pm
      I would only take Shaqiri from Stoke and Mawson from Swansea. They would be good squad additions.
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      Reply #85: May 30, 2018 07:46:11 pm
      At this point with where we are, we needn't be shopping at relegated clubs. Let's weaken the stronger European clubs as much as we can, taking their top players.
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      Reply #86: May 30, 2018 07:51:54 pm
      Differ away.

      He still isn’t though. Nowhere near.

      Evans is bang ordinary. The fact that he’s a manc is irrelevant to my assessment.

      I think he's a bit better than ordinary but agree Lovren is a much better CB.

      Lovren is a much better players than he gets credit for and as been said on here before it's when he makes a mistake and then dwells on it for the rest of the game where his biggest problem is.
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      Reply #87: May 30, 2018 08:25:21 pm
      I think he's a bit better than ordinary bit agree Lovren is a much better CB.

      Lovren is a much better players than he gets credit for and as been said on here before it's when he makes a mistake and then dwells on it for the rest of the game where his biggest problem is.

      Are you accusing me of hyperbole in the course of a joust Si........?

      How very dare you 😜

      Aye ok - I’ll cede he’s a wholly competent. I’ve just never thought he was good enough to be first pick at a top club.....injuries aside.
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      Reply #88: May 30, 2018 08:56:35 pm
      Are you accusing me of hyperbole in the course of a joust Si........?

      How very dare you 😜

      Aye ok - I’ll cede he’s a wholly competent. I’ve just never thought he was good enough to be first pick at a top club.....injuries aside.

      Would I ever mate. ;D

      It's all irrelevant though as I'm sure as I can be that Evans won't be anywhere on Jürgen's radar this summer.
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      Reply #89: May 30, 2018 09:16:42 pm
      I would only take Shaqiri from Stoke and Mawson from Swansea. They would be good squad additions.

      Depending on the keeper situation, if we're not buying a new no 1 and sticking with Karius, I'd have a look at Ben Foster as back up.

      As I said depends on whether we decide to go with a new goalie.
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      Reply #90: May 30, 2018 09:18:21 pm
      At this point with where we are, we needn't be shopping at relegated clubs.

      Depends on the player we're looking for. Who knew Robbo was going to be a revelation and he came from a relegated club!!

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      Reply #91: May 30, 2018 10:07:56 pm
      Depends on the player we're looking for. Who knew Robbo was going to be a revelation and he came from a relegated club!!



      True, but I’m getting at is that buying the best players from rivals (english or euopean) weakens them and strengthens us. And now we have the money and the stature to pull from anywhere.
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      Reply #92: May 30, 2018 10:54:10 pm
      True, but I’m getting at is that buying the best players from rivals (english or euopean) weakens them and strengthens us. And now we have the money and the stature to pull from anywhere.

      Disagree slightly as I don't think we'd be buying the absolute star players from the likes of Real, Barca, both set of Manc clubs, Chelsea, PSG.

      In terms of our targets so far, Fabinho is making a step up as would Fekir if we got him.
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      Reply #93: May 31, 2018 12:11:25 am
      Disagree slightly as I don't think we'd be buying the absolute star players from the likes of Real, Barca, both set of Manc clubs, Chelsea, PSG.

      In terms of our targets so far, Fabinho is making a step up as would Fekir if we got him.

      Is like to see us try to nick a big name player though from another team. I suppose with all of the Bale rumors he’d do.

      Wonder if there was any truth to the rumor that Bale spent more time in our locker room than his own after the game.
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      Reply #94: May 31, 2018 01:19:17 am
      Is like to see us try to nick a big name player though from another team. I suppose with all of the Bale rumors he’d do.

      Wonder if there was any truth to the rumor that Bale spent more time in our locker room than his own after the game.

      Sounds like it is, probably still mates with Lallana.

      Would love the rumour about Courtois to be true, but I don't it'll happen.
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      Reply #95: Jun 06, 2018 12:19:00 pm
      Shaqiri for only £12 million.

      Yes please.
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      Reply #96: Jun 06, 2018 12:24:23 pm
      Shaqiri for only £12 million.

      Yes please.

      Don't get the hype with him to be honest
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      Reply #97: Jun 06, 2018 12:27:05 pm
      Don't get the hype with him to be honest

      Would be a handy squad player. I think with his pace he would excel in our system.
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      Reply #98: Jun 06, 2018 01:10:30 pm
      Would be a handy squad player. I think with his pace he would excel in our system.

      Not convinced to be honest, agreed we need someone who can play out wide etc as back up but for me he didn't stand out in a poor stoke team
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      Reply #99: Jun 06, 2018 01:35:50 pm
      Shaqiri for only £12 million.

      Yes please.

      When you consider that Moses guy that has been linked to us is £10 million then Shaqiri would be a steal for £12 million. Premier league experience, has pace and can play left,right or behind the striker. I think Klopp could get a tune out of him, if he's willing to sit on the bench and wait for a chance that is.
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      Reply #100: Jun 06, 2018 02:50:54 pm
      Not convinced to be honest, agreed we need someone who can play out wide etc as back up but for me he didn't stand out in a poor stoke team

      Really?

      I thought he was head and shoulders above every Stoke player last season.
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      Reply #101: Jun 06, 2018 02:52:11 pm
      When you consider that Moses guy that has been linked to us is £10 million then Shaqiri would be a steal for £12 million. Premier league experience, has pace and can play left,right or behind the striker. I think Klopp could get a tune out of him, if he's willing to sit on the bench and wait for a chance that is.

      Agreed mate I think Klopp would get the best out of him he still has more potential to unlock.
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      Reply #102: Jun 06, 2018 03:32:07 pm
      Really?

      I thought he was head and shoulders above every Stoke player last season.

      Not convinced about that but wouldn't be saying much to be fair, not sure if playing second fiddle would suit him, just my opinion but think we need better
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      Reply #103: Jun 06, 2018 04:24:00 pm
      Shaqiri? No thanks. We need better and cannot see him as a fit here. Shakira? yes, please.
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      Reply #104: Jun 06, 2018 04:32:11 pm
      Shaqiri for only £12 million.

      Yes please.

      Doesn’t have the right attitude to cut it at a top club with expectations IMO. There’s a reason he didn’t cut it at Bayern Munich or Inter Milan and ended up at Stoke.

      He’s no where near the level of Salah or Mane and he wouldn’t be prepared to fight for his place.

      Even at Stoke he’s hardly been anything special; very inconsistent, goes missing game after game and will only perform at a good level from time to time.
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      Reply #105: Jun 06, 2018 04:41:36 pm
      Doesn’t have the right attitude to cut it at a top club with expectations IMO. There’s a reason he didn’t cut it at Bayern Munich or Inter Milan and ended up at Stoke.

      He’s no where near the level of Salah or Mane and he wouldn’t be prepared to fight for his place.

      Even at Stoke he’s hardly been anything special; very inconsistent, goes missing game after game and will only perform at a good level from time to time.

      True his attitude is suspect didn't he publicly slate his fellow team mates recently?

      There's no place for arrogance at this club.

      But I do think with a better attitude he would be at a bigger club he has ability.
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      Reply #108: Jun 06, 2018 06:00:15 pm
      He certainly carries a bit of cargo
      Must be all that Swiss chocolate.
      I understand those saying  we should be looking at better but personally speaking I think he would be a good addition & under klopp I'm sure there wouldn't be any attitude problems seeing as the gaffer doesn't strike me as being someone who takes sh*t from players
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      Reply #109: Jun 06, 2018 06:05:52 pm
      True his attitude is suspect didn't he publicly slate his fellow team mates recently?

      There's no place for arrogance at this club.

      But I do think with a better attitude he would be at a bigger club he has ability.

      Yeah he slated the stoke team for not being at his level and said not even Ronaldinho could make them look better.
      Granted he’s probably right, but it’s something he didn’t need to say.

      Think I’d rather that Simon Moses lad. Know nothing about him other than he’s rapid. But, he’s 22 so has a lot of time to develope and would be prepared to fight for his place. But then again, Shaqiri could turn out to be a relatively low cost gamble that could potentially pay off if he knuckles down. Ultimately they both would initially be signed as cover and cover is something we are really lacking.

      Think I’d rather see us concentrate on our key targets first though....hopefully Oblak :laugh:
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      Reply #110: Jun 06, 2018 06:11:55 pm
      He certainly carries a bit of cargo
      Must be all that Swiss chocolate.
      I understand those saying  we should be looking at better but personally speaking I think he would be a good addition & under klopp I'm sure there wouldn't be any attitude problems seeing as the gaffer doesn't strike me as being someone who takes sh*t from players

      He is what is called a hungry player, story is klopp wants 2 attackers incuding fekir so we will see
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      Reply #111: Jun 14, 2018 06:21:36 am
      To be honest, none. Not for the amount the relegated clubs would expect to recuperate, and not for players who would be unlikely to thrive as merely squad players. I don't think Butland is the answer for us (I'd rather Pope, and unfortunately we let Everton claim Pickford). Shaqiri did surprisingly well for Stoke last year in the systems they played, however, he's not going to be content being just a dude we'd consider bringing on for the last 20 min of a game, for there's no way we'd start him in our system with his lack of pace and defensive input. He'd be better suited playing week in week out for a lesser team, perhaps as a replacement for Mahrez at Leicester if they'd rather an option in that position who can hold it up more rather than solely counter attack.

      Mawson from Swansea would also be better suited to a mid-table team than ours. There are much better options available than him for the price other teams would be prepared to pay. And Rondon, Rodriguez, and Hegazi? As useful as they'd also be for lower premier league clubs, we'd be better off blooding our own youngsters than signing them.

      So yeah, slim pickings. We'd be better off going after some of these departing Sporting Lisbon players if we can pull it off over the other vultures.

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