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      Relegated clubs - who would you pinch??

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      Reply #30: May 10, 2018 04:35:15 pm
      No, no, no. the 143M for Phil is already used to net out this season's spend. We need new excuses  :)

      There is a body of evidence to show we spend no more than 30m net per year
      The owners laid out their plan from day one


      It's stupid to deny it

      And I don't dislike the owners for the record

      I don't look for hyperbole to one extreme or the other but the figures are there since their ownership began 🤷‍♂️

      We spend what we generate nothing more..
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      Reply #31: May 10, 2018 04:35:53 pm
      Personally, considering we've been thin on the ground in the midfield area I'd get the "Welsh Xavi" back. Would be a good squad player.

      We are way past looking at the Allen's of the world. We need quality that is close to the starters we already have, to provide competition and maintain quality levels when rotating.
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      Reply #32: May 10, 2018 04:41:58 pm
      There is a body of evidence to show we spend no more than 30m net per year
      The owners laid out their plan from day one


      It's stupid to deny it

      And I don't dislike the owners for the record

      I don't look for hyperbole to one extreme or the other but the figures are there since their ownership began 🤷‍♂️

      We spend what we generate nothing more..

      I see, so the sale of Coutinho was pushed onto Klopp to zero out our net spend and with Keita costing 50M, Fekir a rumored 60M, and with more quality transfers to come in, surely this summer we will see the departure of one of Firmino, Salah or Mane, possibly 2, to be able to balance this magical 30M budget  :lmao:
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      Reply #33: May 10, 2018 04:44:31 pm
      I see, so the sale of Coutinho was pushed onto Klopp to zero out our net spend and with Keita costing 50M, Fekir a rumored 60M, and with more quality transfers to come in, surely this summer we will see the departure of one of Firmino, Salah or Mane, possibly 2, to be able to balance this magical 30M budget  :lmao:

      Where the f**k did I say that you bell end?
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      Reply #34: May 10, 2018 04:53:21 pm
      Where the f**k did I say that you bell end?

      We spend only what we generate and nothing more, right? So having spent over 150M on VVD, Salah, Ox, etc, surely meant Henry and Co had to force a Coutinho sale to be able to offset that spend, because we cannot purchase beyond what we generate.

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      Reply #35: May 10, 2018 04:57:48 pm
      We spend only what we generate and nothing more, right? So having spent over 150M on VVD, Salah, Ox, etc, surely meant Henry and Co had to force a Coutinho sale to be able to offset that spend, because we cannot purchase beyond what we generate.

      If that's what you read into what I said then you are illiterate too
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      Reply #36: May 10, 2018 05:04:42 pm
      We spend only what we generate and nothing more, right? So having spent over 150M on VVD, Salah, Ox, etc, surely meant Henry and Co had to force a Coutinho sale to be able to offset that spend, because we cannot purchase beyond what we generate.



      Just go back and look at our net spend since FSG have been in charge and that £30M a year won’t be far off.
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      Reply #37: May 10, 2018 05:06:12 pm
      The real conundrum will be this summer. Who will we sell to be able to hit no more than 30m net? Phil's money already went to pay for last year's transfers, and Keita is not cheap, neither would be Fekir and the other midfielder, either Can's replacement or Gini's replacement if he's moved to the #6 spot, won't be cheap either. That is without a VVD-quality CB or 60M for Allison. It'll be sad to see our world-class from 3 broken up, but the budget needs to balance not to exceed 30M as the owners laid the plan out from day 1 :(

      JFC, to think that we have a definite budget we need to stick to is absurd, even more so to think we can only spend what we generate.
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      Reply #39: May 10, 2018 05:12:00 pm
      Just go back and look at our net spend since FSG have been in charge and that £30M a year won’t be far off.

      It's not even that much (but by circumstance more than design I'd guess)

      Spent 644m
      Revieved 550m

      94m spent since 2011 works out at under 12m net per year (including 2018 January and not summer)

      Figures from the echo

      Jürgen has signed 11 players since 2015 to think he will either have the budget or inclination to sign 6-8 players this summer is fanciful
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      Reply #40: May 10, 2018 05:14:53 pm
      No, no, no. the 143M for Phil is already used to net out this season's spend. We need new excuses  :)

      You can’t have it both ways dude. £70m on VVD leaves £70m+ minimum in the coffers.........I’ll give you £50m for Naby IF you insist that’s next season but that only partially offsets......

      Either way trying to mitigate the ludicrously low net spend is a bit like climate change denial........

      That’s not even a good effort ;)
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      Reply #41: May 10, 2018 05:26:35 pm
      It's not even that much (but by circumstance more than design I'd guess)

      Spent 644m
      Revieved 550m

      94m spent since 2011 works out at under 12m net per year (including 2018 January and not summer)

      Figures from the echo

      Jürgen has signed 11 players since 2015 to think he will either have the budget or inclination to sign 6-8 players this summer is fanciful

      and almost half of that came from 3 players (Sterling, Suarez, Coutinho) who threw fits to leave the team, but in tinfoil hat world the sales were really made to balance the budget, right?

      and we don't need 6-8 players, unless you're talking kids with potential for the U23. We need 2-3, maybe 4, but of high quality and they won't be cheap, so using your logic the owners will surely be pushing for the breakup of our front 3 to be able to afford that. tinfoil hat and all.
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      Reply #42: May 10, 2018 05:30:37 pm
      You can’t have it both ways dude. £70m on VVD leaves £70m+ minimum in the coffers.........I’ll give you £50m for Naby IF you insist that’s next season but that only partially offsets......

      Either way trying to mitigate the ludicrously low net spend is a bit like climate change denial........

      That’s not even a good effort ;)

      Not sure i follow. YOu are looking at calendar spend and i am looking at it from a '17-'18 season spend. This season we have spent on Salah, Ox, Robertson and VVD and that was offset by Phil's sale. Keita is part of 2018-2019 season spend, at least as transfermarket has it

      https://www.transfermarkt.com/fc-liverpool/transfers/verein/31

      So i'll also say you can't have it both ways. If Phil's money goes towards this summer's spend, then that means last summer and january windows we spent 168M (oh no, the budget!), or if you count Phil towards this season's spend, then this summer and next Jan window we'll need to sell big-name players to raise enough funds to buy, under the tinfoil logic.
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      Reply #43: May 10, 2018 05:38:07 pm
      and almost half of that came from 3 players (Sterling, Suarez, Coutinho) who threw fits to leave the team, but in tinfoil hat world the sales were really made to balance the budget, right?

      and we don't need 6-8 players, unless you're talking kids with potential for the U23. We need 2-3, maybe 4, but of high quality and they won't be cheap, so using your logic the owners will surely be pushing for the breakup of our front 3 to be able to afford that. tinfoil hat and all.

      You'd not still prefer to have those 3 players?

      You don't read so well do you?

      I said swayed due to circumstances

      I personally don't think that we spend all that without recouping all of that.
      Know why? Because the owners said so

      Did I say or do I think the owners forced the Coutinho sale? No I don't but I don't think Jürgen would be looking to replace him had he not left
      I believe that coutinho forced it and the owners said it's yours to replace.. why? Because it fits with what the f**king owners said

      I don't believe they are asset stripping or pocketing money or holding up other businesses off of us but I belief we spend what we generate.. why? Because the f**king owners said so

      You know why I believe it? Because there is a body of evidence that backs it up.. Not one or two years but the figures back it up from the day they walked through the door.

      Unbelievable

      I believe what I can see, not what I choose to hang onto

      I bet you believe santa  don't You? Cause someone told you
      (can just imagine you now shaking your head with a wry simple... this lad doesn't even believe in the big man who brings me presents that me ma told me about

      I believe in evidence that is there to see

      So no I don't believe have had the ability to spend 200m a year but chose not to.. the figures are there over a long period to prove otherwise

      I don't belief in santa  or a man with a beard sitting in the clouds
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      Reply #44: May 10, 2018 05:38:20 pm
      Good player called Fookin Noone is the best from the relegated clubs.
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      Reply #45: May 10, 2018 05:39:26 pm
      Not sure i follow. YOu are looking at calendar spend and i am looking at it from a '17-'18 season spend. This season we have spent on Salah, Ox, Robertson and VVD and that was offset by Phil's sale. Keita is part of 2018-2019 season spend, at least as transfermarket has it

      https://www.transfermarkt.com/fc-liverpool/transfers/verein/31

      So i'll also say you can't have it both ways. If Phil's money goes towards this summer's spend, then that means last summer and january windows we spent 168M (oh no, the budget!), or if you count Phil towards this season's spend, then this summer and next Jan window we'll need to sell big-name players to raise enough funds to buy, under the tinfoil logic.

      You would be wrong though. That’s just a lot of words that all the plants before you have used and it says nothing to contradict the facts........

      FSG net spend is not good enough to create and maintain the squad depth required.

      The job Klopp is doing is unbelievable with the funds available. His refusal to compromise on quality is what is rewarding us right now.

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      Reply #46: May 10, 2018 06:08:40 pm
      You would be wrong though. That’s just a lot of words that all the plants before you have used and it says nothing to contradict the facts........

      FSG net spend is not good enough to create and maintain the squad depth required.

      The job Klopp is doing is unbelievable with the funds available. His refusal to compromise on quality is what is rewarding us right now.

      They are not words, they are facts. The tinfoil runs deeper on here than i thought.

      If Phil had not become a snake, he'd still be here, regardless of whatever imaginary budget you folks think we have. Getting Keita, plus Fekir, plus whatever other transfers we bring in this summer, will cost well in excess of 100M and without breaking up our front 3 we'll have a massive net spend this summer. Look forward to the excuses then. But you need to be creative and get new ones because Coutinho is already used up.
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      Reply #47: May 10, 2018 06:33:55 pm
      They are not words, they are facts. The tinfoil runs deeper on here than i thought.

      If Phil had not become a snake, he'd still be here, regardless of whatever imaginary budget you folks think we have. Getting Keita, plus Fekir, plus whatever other transfers we bring in this summer, will cost well in excess of 100M and without breaking up our front 3 we'll have a massive net spend this summer. Look forward to the excuses then. But you need to be creative and get new ones because Coutinho is already used up.

      He was used up when he left fella.........that’s the way love goes.......
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      Reply #48: May 10, 2018 11:28:39 pm
      Good player called Fookin Noone is the best from the relegated clubs.

      Fookin Noone...Fekir...

      If these deals happen, I think we need to consider putting nicknames on the back of next season's shirts.
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      Reply #49: May 11, 2018 01:55:40 pm
      So....a new FSG champion has emerged. Interesting.
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      Reply #50: May 11, 2018 03:35:25 pm
      ;D, the amount of tin foil is amusing. As i said, i look forward to the excuses this summer, but keep them fresh, please.
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      Reply #51: May 11, 2018 03:48:42 pm
      What's tin foil about facts and praise where praise is due?

      Can't be arsed with continuing the money argument with a simpleton.. it's all there in black and white.. what we've spent..what we've sold.. the overall.. the net..

      If you can read you can see it, no one is making figures up here

      I don't dislike them whatsoever.. they've done some good stuff and some poor stuff

      They've kept me at Anfield where my grandad went, where he took me and now where I take my son's..
      They've brought in the best manager we could hope for who is doing an amazing job and I'm happier than I've been in over a decade football wise

      All good.. but the figures are there in black and white..  no tin foil.. you're just making yourself looking f**king stupid by suggesting something other than what's there for all to see

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      Reply #52: May 11, 2018 04:13:28 pm
      Rather check out Burnley. They can be the new Southampton.
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      Reply #53: May 11, 2018 04:27:10 pm
      Rather check out Burnley. They can be the new Southampton.

      Think they will become the new West Brom and Stoke the way the try to bore the game to death.
      Worked for them this season but chances are it won’t next time.
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      Reply #54: May 11, 2018 05:06:31 pm
      What's tin foil about facts and praise where praise is due?

      Can't be arsed with continuing the money argument with a simpleton.. it's all there in black and white.. what we've spent..what we've sold.. the overall.. the net..

      If you can read you can see it, no one is making figures up here

      I don't dislike them whatsoever.. they've done some good stuff and some poor stuff

      They've kept me at Anfield where my grandad went, where he took me and now where I take my son's..
      They've brought in the best manager we could hope for who is doing an amazing job and I'm happier than I've been in over a decade football wise

      All good.. but the figures are there in black and white..  no tin foil.. you're just making yourself looking f**king stupid by suggesting something other than what's there for all to see

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      Here are a couple of things about the tin foil community that i find amusing when it comes to net spend:

      1. You look at net spend to satisfy your confirmation bias and never looking at the context of why key players were sold that are driving the transfer money coming in. Sterling, Suarez and Coutinho all forced their way out and their sales were to get rid of a problem but with your tunnel vision you only see these sales being done to fund purchases. There is no other possible explanation.

      Countinho is a great example of this shitty view. Phil was given a shiny new contract but a few months before he started his ploy to leave the team by putting in his TR the day before the opening game of the season, being "injured" and not playing but miraculously recovering on the flight to Brazil to play for the national team, only for the same flight back to injure him again. At that same time he was doing this and we had spent on Salah, Ox, Robertson, tried like hell to get Keita and would have gotten VVD if not for some weird f**k up by someone, we were saying "Phil is not for sale" and he was told to stay. Eventually when Klopp had had enough Phil was sold but your cynical, short-sighted view is that we made the purchases we did because we knew we were going to sell.

      2. It undermines the excellent job the scouts and operations team does for this team in both buying and selling players, where one year they can sucker teams into paying 30M for Benteke and 15M for Ibe, who have 5 goals between them this season, and the following year turn around and get Salah for basically the same money. Or get 15M for Allen and unearth Andy Robertson for 9M. While i look at these examples and think "holy sh*t, we did a great job getting that much for those players who are busts and brought in a 40gl scorer and our potential LB for the next 8yrs for a bargain", all tin foilers see and think is "ah ha! we got 60M and spent 50M and that is unacceptable from our owners". That is a really shitty attitude to have towards the team.

      Tin foilers are unable to see intent and are fixated on what the net spend ends up being without regard for context, so i know the excuses will continue this summer when we go after quality players, but i just hope they are fresh and innovative. Phil's sale has already been sliced too many ways so it is worn out.
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      Reply #55: May 11, 2018 05:11:36 pm
      Here are a couple of things about the tin foil community that i find amusing when it comes to net spend:

      1. You look at net spend to satisfy your confirmation bias and never looking at the context of why key players were sold that are driving the transfer money coming in. Sterling, Suarez and Coutinho all forced their way out and their sales were to get rid of a problem but with your tunnel vision you only see these sales being done to fund purchases. There is no other possible explanation.

      Countinho is a great example of this shitty view. Phil was given a shiny new contract but a few months before he started his ploy to leave the team by putting in his TR the day before the opening game of the season, being "injured" and not playing but miraculously recovering on the flight to Brazil to play for the national team, only for the same flight back to injure him again. At that same time he was doing this and we had spent on Salah, Ox, Robertson, tried like hell to get Keita and would have gotten VVD if not for some weird f**k up by someone, we were saying "Phil is not for sale" and he was told to stay. Eventually when Klopp had had enough Phil was sold but your cynical, short-sighted view is that we made the purchases we did because we knew we were going to sell.

      2. It undermines the excellent job the scouts and operations team does for this team in both buying and selling players, where one year they can sucker teams into paying 30M for Benteke and 15M for Ibe, who have 5 goals between them this season, and the following year turn around and get Salah for basically the same money. Or get 15M for Allen and unearth Andy Robertson for 9M. While i look at these examples and think "holy sh*t, we did a great job getting that much for those players who are busts and brought in a 40gl scorer and our potential LB for the next 8yrs for a bargain", all tin foilers see and think is "ah ha! we got 60M and spent 50M and that is unacceptable from our owners". That is a really shitty attitude to have towards the team.

      Tin foilers are unable to see intent and are fixated on what the net spend ends up being without regard for context, so i know the excuses will continue this summer when we go after quality players, but i just hope they are fresh and innovative. Phil's sale has already been sliced too many ways so it is worn out.

      Here’s a tip.

      If you used less rhetoric you really wouldn’t need to number your deep, considered argument all the way to................2

      Just sayin’ ;)

      Oh and are you sure you have the tin foil label right way round......because you’ve got my fillings going crazy!
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      Reply #56: May 12, 2018 07:54:12 pm
      Forget about Shaqiri, he is a prima donna and will kick up a fuss if he doesn't start games, and is too much of a luxury player to have around.

      In my opinion the best transfers (to improve our bench) we could make from the relegated teams are:

      WBA - Salomon Rondon (good target-man who could offer us a plan B against bus parkers)

      Swansea - Fabianski (very good backup if Mignolet leaves and we don't sign a top keeper), Mawson (decent backup for Matip and VVD), i was going to say Andre Ayew but he is in the same bracket as Shaqiri

      Stoke - Butland (again a very good keeper who could challenge Karius), Ramadan Sobhi (young, a decent backup for the wing role), Josh Tymon (a good prospect who could develop further).
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      Reply #57: May 13, 2018 03:05:29 pm
      No. No one of interest.

      See Crouchie is lining up as centre forward for Stoke today .


      He left us 10 years ago.
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      Reply #58: May 15, 2018 09:12:16 am
      If a gun was put to my head and I had to take one from each it would be:

      Swansea - Mawson
      Stoke - Shaqiri
      WBA - Evans (I know he is a former Manc but he is solid)
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      Reply #59: May 15, 2018 09:19:57 am
      If a gun was put to my head and I had to take one from each it would be:



      If  gun was put to my head and I had to choose one from each



      I'd let them pull the trigger

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