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      Xherdan Shaqiri (Stoke City)

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      Re: Xherdan Shaqiri (Stoke City)
      Reply #360: Jul 12, 2018 03:46:04 pm
      I really don't mind us going for Shakiri but then I look at City. They have attacking midfielders coming out of their ears with Sane, Sterling, Silva and B.Silva and now they have added some squad depth and competition by signing Mahrez. Meanwhile we're about to pick up Shakiri from the Aldi closedown sale that is Stoke City's relegation.
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      Reply #361: Jul 12, 2018 03:49:45 pm
      Ah the old blind faith routine. Love that one.

      When your in the ground yep, I completely agree, show support and never ever boo your team. But outside the ground ie. in an internet forum, If I can't point out that Karius is shi...te then what's the frickin point of having a forum?

      Fair comment.  I'd say that every new signing deserves the benefit of doubt.  If Shaqiri signs and is given an opportunity, but fails to impress, then you can call him sh*t.  But give the lad a fair crack first. 

      Karius has already had 2 chances.  I've seen all I need to see to form an opinion on him.  However, if he is the #1 on opening day, he'll have my full support. 
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      Reply #362: Jul 12, 2018 03:57:02 pm
      Fair comment.  I'd say that every new signing deserves the benefit of doubt.  If Shaqiri signs and is given an opportunity, but fails to impress, then you can call him sh*t.  But give the lad a fair crack first. 

      Karius has already had 2 chances.  I've seen all I need to see to form an opinion on him.  However, if he is the #1 on opening day, he'll have my full support.

      I can only imagine all the sh*t Ox got when he first got here and had a bit of a struggle to adapt. Must have been priceless moments here.
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      Re: Xherdan Shaqiri (Stoke City)
      Reply #363: Jul 12, 2018 05:34:00 pm
      I really don't mind us going for Shakiri but then I look at City. They have attacking midfielders coming out of their ears with Sane, Sterling, Silva and B.Silva and now they have added some squad depth and competition by signing Mahrez. Meanwhile we're about to pick up Shakiri from the Aldi closedown sale that is Stoke City's relegation.

      There’s no point comparing us with City because they are miles ahead financially. Just because they’ve signed Mahrez though, doesn’t mean he will be a better signing than Shaqiri. Look at Mendy, 50mill and spent all season injured. Robbo, 7mill and was boss.
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      Re: Xherdan Shaqiri (Stoke City)
      Reply #364: Jul 12, 2018 05:50:49 pm
      I was looking more at the quality of player rather than the price mate. I really rate mahrez, far more so than I think he's an excellent player.
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      Reply #365: Jul 12, 2018 05:57:26 pm
      I really don't mind us going for Shakiri but then I look at City.
      City are good but they overpay. Sterling and Fernandinho hardly looked amazing this WC. Shaqiri was Switzerland's best player. Obviously there's a good player in there and klopp can get him that out. If Shaqiri was going to City, half the fans that are moaning we got him would be moaning we didn't. One things for sure, he's got to be better than Fabian Delph, who is at City.
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      Reply #366: Jul 12, 2018 06:18:13 pm
      I was looking more at the quality of player rather than the price mate. I really rate mahrez, far more so than I think he's an excellent player.

      I really rate him too but what I was getting at, maybe I should have done my post a bit better, was that even though Mahrez would be a better signing on paper, there's no guarantee it will actually work out that way. His time at Leicester he's been the main man basically, he might not adjust to being a rotational player.
      I would have liked to see us go for Mahrez but wasn't to be.
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      Re: Xherdan Shaqiri (Stoke City)
      Reply #367: Jul 12, 2018 08:20:22 pm
      City are good but they overpay. Sterling and Fernandinho hardly looked amazing this WC. Shaqiri was Switzerland's best player. Obviously there's a good player in there and klopp can get him that out. If Shaqiri was going to City, half the fans that are moaning we got him would be moaning we didn't. One things for sure, he's got to be better than Fabian Delph, who is at City.

      This does even make sense. So sterling and ferdinho did bad in wc for their national teams then they are bad players for city?
      did you even watch any of city games last season? Those two players just had a very good season.

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      Reply #368: Jul 12, 2018 08:57:10 pm
      This does even make sense. So sterling and ferdinho did bad in wc for their national teams then they are bad players for city?
      did you even watch any of city games last season? Those two players just had a very good season.

      hey, he's not the only one using that logic. I have seen someone lament that we did not buy Pickford because he made a few good saves in the world cup, but no mention that late in the game when Croatia hit the post it was because he was out by the top of the box chasing butterflies, or later on when he got a pass back from the defender he cleared the ball on the ground and almost gave it straight to the Croatian player who would have had an easy open net.

      Those "could have cost us" mistakes are always overlooked when they are made by players on other teams, but brought up when its one of ours, as we see in the most recent Lovren discussion, for example.
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      Re: Xherdan Shaqiri (Stoke City)
      Reply #369: Jul 12, 2018 09:26:32 pm
      The price isn’t the issue. The quality is.

      Sure, it’s cheap in this current market. But I don’t really give a toss. Get a proper footballer who will improve us instead of a punt on untapped potential. We’ve made these signings too often and so few have worked.

      Even the Robertson’s and Coutinho’s who were cheap didn’t have three chances to show what they’re about. They showed it on their first crack.

      But I also have to go along with this ideology.

      I was WAY OFF with the Van Dijk signing. I pray I’ve got egg on my face with this one, too.

      The ego and personality concerns me. How will he get along in the dressing room and will he affect squad camaraderie? Can anyone put my worries to rest?

      Quality is not in doubt. He is wonderfully skilled and has a damaging cross, sh*t and pass.

      Like an earlier poster said, he’s a nuisance and he is busy all over the pitch. I love that in a player.

      Not exactly in style but the buzzing around being annoying to opposition defences reminds me a little of Beardsley and Houghton in their prime.
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      Re: Xherdan Shaqiri (Stoke City)
      Reply #370: Jul 12, 2018 11:12:48 pm
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      Reply #371: Jul 12, 2018 11:28:12 pm
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      Re: Xherdan Shaqiri (Stoke City)
      Reply #372: Jul 12, 2018 11:35:19 pm
      Get this wrapped up so we focus on our key targets. Although I suspect that we will only sign 1 more after Shaqiri.
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      Reply #373: Jul 12, 2018 11:39:23 pm
      Very underwhelmed if I'm honest.

      The one thing I'm clinging on to is that jurgen has form for getting the maximum out of his players so I'm hoping he can do the same with shaqiri.
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      Reply #374: Jul 13, 2018 12:12:43 am
      Get this wrapped up so we focus on our key targets. Although I suspect that we will only sign 1 more after Shaqiri.

      Yup. Fekir next week and call it a summer transfer window
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      Reply #375: Jul 13, 2018 03:42:51 am
      I'm not sure I really rate him or want him here, but as a 5th choice attacker it could be worse... could be Ings or Origi!

      This signing will need to be judged alongside the summer business as a whole because he's clearly coming in to be depth, so got to see who else we end up with. Providing at least one top quality attacker also signs then I can't get too worked out about Shaqiri.
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      Reply #376: Jul 13, 2018 04:42:29 am
      Yup. Fekir next week and call it a summer transfer window

      A very good summer window at that. If we get the Alpine Messi in tomorrow than turn around and get the Fekir deal done before the deadline than that would be a very good summer.

      To sure up the midfield with certified bosses and than add a squad player with the PL experience and technical prowess of a Shaquri would be dope. Obviously not getting a top notch keeper would keep it from being a great window. However, if we can keep having good windows (signing good players in positions of need and not selling our best players) than we will get to where we want to be.
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      Reply #377: Jul 13, 2018 07:07:58 am
      As I said earlier in this thread. I really like this guy, I'm a fan of him. He can change a game. We need quality on the bench therefore good cover for our XI. He's cheap as well.

      Give him a chance.
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      Reply #378: Jul 13, 2018 07:17:16 am
      As I said earlier in this thread. I really like this guy, I'm a fan of him. He can change a game. We need quality on the bench therefore good cover for our XI. He's cheap as well.

      Give him a chance.
      Agree mate,also how he played for his previous teams and an absolute sh*te stoke team doesn't mean it will be the same under klopp.
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      Reply #379: Jul 13, 2018 08:10:25 am
      This deal has a nice arbitrage in it. He's easily worth £20m in the market. I have no doubt we will make a decent monetary return on this trade, even if it doesn't work out for him. Just don't run down that damn contract and his resale value will be preserved.
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      Reply #380: Jul 13, 2018 08:14:19 am
      The money argument doesn't make sense to me

      Just because he's cheap doesn't make it appealing to me.
      If someone offered me a house in the worst part of town, complete sh*t hole, surround by druggies but it was cheap.. I wouldn't buy it

      Would  we still be interested if it was 50m? Or we just getting a body in because it feels too good to turn down? When things seem too good to turn down they very often aren't and you're just pissing money away
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      Reply #381: Jul 13, 2018 08:33:45 am
      As I said earlier in this thread. I really like this guy, I'm a fan of him. He can change a game. We need quality on the bench therefore good cover for our XI. He's cheap as well.

      Give him a chance.


      This...I'm not fan of him, but i agree he can change a game and give us very good option on bench.
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      Reply #382: Jul 13, 2018 08:35:25 am
      Well that came out of the blue  :)



      Are you saying he was going to sign for Everton---Surely not.
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      Reply #383: Jul 13, 2018 08:59:18 am
      Can't see this anything other than a bit of extra depth, for a bargain.
      Experience of the PL, maybe Jürgen can trim him down and make something more out of him.
      Need guys for the early rounds of the FA cup and fizzy cola ...
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      Reply #384: Jul 13, 2018 09:00:52 am
      He's not being signed as a regular starter, so can't be compared to Keita, Fabinho as a signing.  I like him, but not sure how easily he'll fit into our system.  Whoever he replaces in the squad, he'll be an upgrade and will strengthen our squad.  I'm pleased but not ecstatic at him signing.
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      Reply #385: Jul 13, 2018 09:09:27 am
      The money argument doesn't make sense to me

      Just because he's cheap doesn't make it appealing to me.
      If someone offered me a house in the worst part of town, complete sh*t hole, surround by druggies but it was cheap.. I wouldn't buy it

      Would  we still be interested if it was 50m? Or we just getting a body in because it feels too good to turn down? When things seem too good to turn down they very often aren't and you're just pissing money away

      Ah. That's where the ratio called price to quality comes in. At £20m and at £50m the price to Shaqiri's quality ratios are vastly different. At £15m, that ratio is attractively low. It's a no brainier.

      At £50m, we could buy a someone better than Fabinho, because this comparable transaction has just gone out for £44m.

      Everything has a price. Every deal would be done at the right price. Unfortunately every seller has their own definition of what the right price is. For me, £15m is a steal taking into account his quality.
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      Reply #386: Jul 13, 2018 09:12:56 am
      I don't  see   how he will strengthen   our team ,we  have to get better  players in
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      Reply #387: Jul 13, 2018 09:28:07 am
      I don't  see   how he will strengthen   our team ,we  have to get better  players in

      I think we should wait and see how Jürgen fits him into the squad before crucifying the man.
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