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      Xherdan Shaqiri (Stoke City)

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      ruthcity
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      Re: Xherdan Shaqiri (Stoke City)
      Reply #390: Jul 13, 2018 10:11:05 am
      Potentially bargain of the season.

      We are essentially getting Shaqiri for free at £13m if Danny Ings can be sold for £20m. This is why I love FSG. Shrewd investors.
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      Reply #391: Jul 13, 2018 10:11:12 am
      Ah. That's where the ratio called price to quality comes in. At £20m and at £50m the price to Shaqiri's quality ratios are vastly different. At £15m, that ratio is attractively low. It's a no brainier.

      At £50m, we could buy a someone better than Fabinho, because this comparable transaction has just gone out for £44m.

      Everything has a price. Every deal would be done at the right price. Unfortunately every seller has their own definition of what the right price is. For me, £15m is a steal taking into account his quality.

      Yeah ok. 🙄

      If you want to judge things as an economic angle fine.. I just find that odd. I'd rather just get really sound players in myself

      Just imagine you going to the Tesco for a sandwich and saying that's a bit pricy for a sandwich that in date fresh good quality one.
      You got any in the bins out of date for far less?

      If that out of date sh*t tasting sandwich was full price you wouldn't buy it would you
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      Re: Xherdan Shaqiri (Stoke City)
      Reply #392: Jul 13, 2018 10:11:21 am
      I will be here dishing out 'I told you so' when Shaqiri is winning us matches coming from the bench.
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      Re: Xherdan Shaqiri (Stoke City)
      Reply #393: Jul 13, 2018 10:11:45 am
      I don't  see   how he will strengthen   our team ,we  have to get better  players in

      You'd rather keep Woodburn on the bench another season?
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      Re: Xherdan Shaqiri (Stoke City)
      Reply #394: Jul 13, 2018 10:12:18 am
      Potentially bargain of the season.

      Potentially a disaster too

      I will be here dishing out 'I told you so' when Shaqiri is winning us matches coming from the bench.

      And every one of us sceptics would gladly take them should he do that

      I won't be dishing out I told you so if he turns out to be a waste of time though
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      Re: Xherdan Shaqiri (Stoke City)
      Reply #395: Jul 13, 2018 10:19:12 am

      Can't be worse than a £16m write off of Mario Ballotelli. Even a £13m write off is better off than Mario's £16m.

      Anyway he's essentially free if we manage to get £20m for our want away Danny Ings. Low risk on the money side aside from him running down his contact.
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      Reply #396: Jul 13, 2018 10:19:30 am
      We are essentially getting Shaqiri for free at £13m if Danny Ings can be sold for £20m. This is why I love FSG. Shrewd investors.

      And this post is everything I dislike about them.

      Mix it with trophies and I'm in.
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      Re: Xherdan Shaqiri (Stoke City)
      Reply #397: Jul 13, 2018 10:23:05 am
      And this post is everything I dislike about them.

      Mix it with trophies and I'm in.

      Rome wasn't built in a day mate.
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      Re: Xherdan Shaqiri (Stoke City)
      Reply #398: Jul 13, 2018 10:23:40 am
      And this post is everything I dislike about them.

      Mix it with trophies and I'm in.

      :lmao:
      They're money men playing Moneyball. For as long as they're our owners. The music doesn't stop. They'll find the next Suarez and Coutinho to sell to those suckers in Spain.

      Let's hope we win some big trophies along the way ya? Make us happy damn it you FSG!
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      Re: Xherdan Shaqiri (Stoke City)
      Reply #399: Jul 13, 2018 10:24:31 am
      Can't be worse than a £16m write off of Mario Ballotelli. Even a £13m write off is better off than Mario's £16m.

      Anyway he's essentially free if we manage to get £20m for our want away Danny Ings. Low risk on the money side aside from him running down his contact.

      Plus in today's mad market £13 million is £5 million only 3 years ago
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      Reply #400: Jul 13, 2018 10:28:03 am
      Can't be worse than a £16m write off of Mario Ballotelli. Even a £13m write off is better off than Mario's £16m.

      Anyway he's essentially free if we manage to get £20m for our want away Danny Ings. Low risk on the money side aside from him running down his contact.

      What you on about? Why judge it as not a bad as losing more money

      It's nothing to do with Ings anyway..
      Tell why the two aren't related? Because ings even with not playing has been a massive positive influence on the dressing room, they all love him to bits, he's such a popular member of the dressing room.
      Stories about Shaqiri from the past don't suggest the same..
      I remember him at Anfield a couple of seasons Back, if he lost the ball trying something f**king daft or blaming another 30 yard shot to f**king nothing his head went down, he didn't turn and track, he moans at his team mates cause he fu**ed up..  they moaned at him cause he would work resulting in him telling two of then to f**k off and then had an argument with his manager

      Love all that me

      Just our type that

      Low risk money wise, (he hasn't run his contract down by te way he had a relegation release written in) high risk morale wise if you ask me

      I can just see this lad from the bench (who hated that at Bayern and Inter by the way) thinking oh f**k that I'm better than Mane anyway so I'll just have his place in a month or so
      Then that doesn't happen cause he isn't and he starts not putting it in during training, banging weight back on. Resenting being on the bench and not working when he comes on.. trying to blam a 35 yarder to prove he should be in and 29 out of 30 ending up In the kop

      Then maybe he gets his goal and I bet you there isn't the outpouring from the squad that Ings got after West Brom because likely they think he's a c**t and his attitude is crap

      Low risk though.. can't wait
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      Reply #401: Jul 13, 2018 10:28:18 am
      :lmao:
      They're money men playing Moneyball. For as long as they're our owners. The music doesn't stop. They'll find the next Suarez and Coutinho to sell to those suckers in Spain.

      Let's hope we win some big trophies along the way ya? Make us happy damn it you FSG!

      I have no idea what any of that even means.
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      Re: Xherdan Shaqiri (Stoke City)
      Reply #402: Jul 13, 2018 10:36:36 am
      For the money we are certainly getting a player who has the quality to play in this league. Rumblings that he has a a bit of an attitude problem but I can't imagine Jürgen putting up with any of that sh*t. Can play either wing or a No.10. We certainly were lacking in the winger department last season so that's a plus. He has shown flashe's of genius in the past even playing in a crap team like Stoke. I'm looking forward to him coming TBH.
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      Re: Xherdan Shaqiri (Stoke City)
      Reply #403: Jul 13, 2018 10:42:31 am
      What you on about? Why judge it as not a bad as losing more money

      It's nothing to do with Ings anyway..
      Tell why the two aren't related? Because ings even with not playing has been a massive positive influence on the dressing room, they all love him to bits, he's such a popular member of the dressing room.
      Stories about Shaqiri from the past don't suggest the same..
      I remember him at Anfield a couple of seasons Back, if he lost the ball trying something f**king daft or blaming another 30 yard shot to f**king nothing his head went down, he didn't turn and track, he moans at his team mates cause he fu**ed up..  they moaned at him cause he would work resulting in him telling two of then to f**k off and then had an argument with his manager

      Love all that me

      Just our type that

      Low risk money wise, (he hasn't run his contract down by te way he had a relegation release written in) high risk morale wise if you ask me

      I can just see this lad from the bench (who hated that at Bayern and Inter by the way) thinking oh f**k that I'm better than Mane anyway so I'll just have his place in a month or so
      Then that doesn't happen cause he isn't and he starts not putting it in during training, banging weight back on. Resenting being on the bench and not working when he comes on.. trying to blam a 35 yarder to prove he should be in and 29 out of 30 ending up In the kop

      Then maybe he gets his goal and I bet you there isn't the outpouring from the squad that Ings got after West Brom because likely they think he's a c**t and his attitude is crap

      Low risk though.. can't wait

      I see now it's his attitude you're concerned about. If so then offload him after one season for £20m. Still a cool £7m or about 50% gain. I'm sure the Moneyball men at the club think this way.
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      Reply #404: Jul 13, 2018 11:30:36 am
      I Get the feeling his attitude will be fine once he's playing with Bobby, Sadio, Mo etc as they all seem to have a load of fun playing together. Who wouldn't want to be part of that?

      Hell you might even see Shaqiri smile 
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      Reply #405: Jul 13, 2018 11:33:42 am
      I see now it's his attitude you're concerned about. If so then offload him after one season for £20m. Still a cool £7m or about 50% gain. I'm sure the Moneyball men at the club think this way.

      Schalke bought a player last year we'd been scouting, Amine Harit, from Nantes for 7 mil, who is now worth about 20 mil or so. If he'd played for us (and in our system) instead, I have no doubt he'd be worth double that. Even if we bought him now for that higher fee, we'd still likely turn him into a 60+ mil player within a couple years.

      Young, versatile, exceptional traits, passionate, works hard, and would kill it in our system. And he's not the only one of such out there.

      Shaqiri may not end up being awful. We may not end up losing money on his eventual sale. But his place in the team comes at the expense of the Harits and the Simons out there, or the Woodburns and such from within our club, whose higher ceilings we may never explore.

      Of course, like some of the other critics here, despite our doubts, despite these other costs that come from his inclusion, we do recognise that there is a chance he may actually contribute to some success, and will support him as a member of our beloved team if he signs.

      Being critical of people and supporting them are not mutually exclusive. I am critical of kids I train, but I also support them through that criticism with guidance and practice. If Shaqiri works hard, plays smart, and has a positive influence on the dressing room, then those costs can at least be forgiven. Let's hope he does at least that!
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      Reply #406: Jul 13, 2018 12:34:47 pm
      https://twitter.com/JamesPearceEcho/status/1017684257202999303

      Everything agreed and just the medical left, and then he is ours!
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      Reply #407: Jul 13, 2018 12:40:00 pm

      If I worked for the club I'd be photocopying Fekir's medical sheets and just tipexing the name

      Ah sh*t, would you believe it his knees fu**ed

      Yeah probably carrying around his massive gut that's done it

      😏
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      Re: Xherdan Shaqiri (Stoke City)
      Reply #408: Jul 13, 2018 12:53:28 pm

      Either a super sub, or going to be whipped for several months to start tracking back.
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      Re: Xherdan Shaqiri (Stoke City)
      Reply #409: Jul 13, 2018 01:19:55 pm
      What you on about? Why judge it as not a bad as losing more money

      It's nothing to do with Ings anyway..
      Tell why the two aren't related? Because ings even with not playing has been a massive positive influence on the dressing room, they all love him to bits, he's such a popular member of the dressing room.
      Stories about Shaqiri from the past don't suggest the same..
      I remember him at Anfield a couple of seasons Back, if he lost the ball trying something f**king daft or blaming another 30 yard shot to f**king nothing his head went down, he didn't turn and track, he moans at his team mates cause he fu**ed up..  they moaned at him cause he would work resulting in him telling two of then to f**k off and then had an argument with his manager

      Love all that me

      Just our type that

      Low risk money wise, (he hasn't run his contract down by te way he had a relegation release written in) high risk morale wise if you ask me

      I can just see this lad from the bench (who hated that at Bayern and Inter by the way) thinking oh f**k that I'm better than Mane anyway so I'll just have his place in a month or so
      Then that doesn't happen cause he isn't and he starts not putting it in during training, banging weight back on. Resenting being on the bench and not working when he comes on.. trying to blam a 35 yarder to prove he should be in and 29 out of 30 ending up In the kop

      Then maybe he gets his goal and I bet you there isn't the outpouring from the squad that Ings got after West Brom because likely they think he's a c**t and his attitude is crap

      Low risk though.. can't wait

      All of this is so much more important than 13 million, 20 million, Ings. Balotelli, etc. Football is a business and business sense matters,  but in the end it is about football games. The best business is winning those games with such frequency that you win competitions. When I hear that the club cleared X in profits or raised its turnover or however you measure it, that is only noteworthy to the extent it allows us to compete for championships. There are only so many positions in the squad and everyone of them matter. There's a short-term view and a long-term view.

      My only sense of peace about this signing is that Klopp has sanctioned it, so I will trust him to make it right. It's a fine tune of the squad this, but still an important one. Hoping for the best, but not excited at this point.
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      Re: Xherdan Shaqiri (Stoke City)
      Reply #410: Jul 13, 2018 01:21:24 pm
      I Get the feeling his attitude will be fine once he's playing with Bobby, Sadio, Mo etc as they all seem to have a load of fun playing together. Who wouldn't want to be part of that?

      Hell you might even see Shaqiri smile

      As long as he keeps his shorts covering everything.
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      Reply #411: Jul 13, 2018 01:22:08 pm
      I see now it's his attitude you're concerned about. If so then offload him after one season for £20m. Still a cool £7m or about 50% gain. I'm sure the Moneyball men at the club think this way.

      During the season or question, did we win or not?
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      Reply #412: Jul 13, 2018 02:06:14 pm
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      Reply #413: Jul 13, 2018 02:59:27 pm
      Sorry Real Madrid, we know you guys are looking for C. Ronaldo's replacement, but Shaqiri is choosing us over your sunny Madrid...
      ;)
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      Re: Xherdan Shaqiri (Stoke City)
      Reply #414: Jul 13, 2018 03:40:57 pm
      Having medical now .   13/7     PM.    and its a Friday.
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      Re: Xherdan Shaqiri (Stoke City)
      Reply #415: Jul 13, 2018 03:41:08 pm
      Proven international wiyh premier league experience for 13 million and people having a moan.

      Reminds me of Chamberlain and Roberston
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      Reply #416: Jul 13, 2018 03:43:14 pm
      Proven international wiyh premier league experience for 13 million and people having a moan.

      Reminds me of Chamberlain and Roberston

      And crying moneyball to boot,,,,Moneyball was tossed out the window years ago...Two guys call all the shots on transfers and it's not  Werner/Henry.

      And Mane and salah and gini
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      Re: Xherdan Shaqiri (Stoke City)
      Reply #417: Jul 13, 2018 03:43:19 pm
      Proven international wiyh premier league experience for 13 million and people having a moan.

      Reminds me of Chamberlain and Roberston

      Let hope he doesn't use the Instagram wrong or he will know about it 🤠
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      Reply #418: Jul 13, 2018 03:51:21 pm
      I'm not overly excited about this but Klopp has earned my trust when it comes to signings. Hope it goes into the overwhelmingly positive bracket of great signings (Salah, Mane, VvD, Robertson, etc) instead of the odd unimpressive one (Solanke, Karius).
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      Re: Xherdan Shaqiri (Stoke City)
      Reply #419: Jul 13, 2018 03:56:55 pm
      Will wear number 23 for us.

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