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      Jürgen Klopp - LFC Manager - 2018/19 Edition

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      Re: Jürgen Klopp - LFC Manager - 2018/19 Edition
      Reply #330: Nov 30, 2018 10:28:22 pm
      I'd say we have around 25% chance of winning the league this year.
      City 30%, Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal  around 15% each.


      I'd like to see the working out on this one.
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      Reply #331: Nov 30, 2018 10:33:59 pm
      I'd like to see the working out on this one.
      30 Liverpool
      25 City
      15 Arsenal
      15 Spurs
      15 Chelsea

      Tens

      30+20+10+10=80
      Units 5+5+5+5=20

      80+20=100.

      or algebraically.

      a = 15 b=25 c=30

      (b+c)+3a
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      Reply #332: Nov 30, 2018 10:34:18 pm
      30+25+45=100
      15*3=45.
      Atleast you tried.

      Just so you don't make similar mistakes again, I'm a scientist so that means the last person you want to argue about when it comes to math.
      We may not be mathematicians, but our level of maths is around the same as an architect.

      No, you're not a scientist, unless bullshit is a science.
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      Reply #333: Nov 30, 2018 10:35:26 pm
      30 Liverpool
      25 City
      15 Arsenal
      15 Spurs
      15 Chelsea

      Tens

      30+20+10+10=80
      Units 5+5+5+5=20

      80+20=100.

      or algebraically.

      a = 15 b=25 c=30

      (b+c)+3a

       :lmao: :lmao:

      What gives city a 30% chance, what is the breakdown of how you worked out their 30% chance.

      Same with LFC 25%

      Same with the 3 at 15%

      What is the criteria here for their various percentage chances?
      How did you arrive at that breakdown and those points?

      Your opinion?

      « Last Edit: Nov 30, 2018 10:39:59 pm by Swab »
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      Reply #334: Nov 30, 2018 10:37:47 pm
      30 Liverpool
      25 City
      15 Arsenal
      15 Spurs
      15 Chelsea

      Tens

      30+20+10+10=80
      Units 5+5+5+5=20

      80+20=100.

      or algebraically.

      a = 15 b=25 c=30

      (b+c)+3a

       ;D

      Cheers Rip.

      You are something else mate. Have to hand it to you.

      I honestly can never tell when you're being serious, having a joke or just spouting pure nonsense.
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      Reply #335: Nov 30, 2018 10:38:20 pm
      30+25+45=100
      15*3=45.
      Atleast you tried.

      Just so you don't make similar mistakes again, I'm a scientist so that means the last person you want to argue about when it comes to math.
      We may not be mathematicians, but our level of maths is around the same as an architect.

      Ah interesting - banter aside Ribs - what do you do for a living?

      I’m a banker. Yep I know - comedy gift.
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      Reply #336: Nov 30, 2018 10:38:55 pm
      No, you're not a scientist, unless bullshit is a science.
      Go on, draw me a gussian elimination matrix and i'll solve it, or how about give me some numbers for differentiation/integration..
      here we go about Swab knows it all, he even  thinks knows our real life careers.

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      Reply #337: Nov 30, 2018 10:40:20 pm
      Ah interesting - banter aside Ribs - what do you do for a living?

      I’m a banker. Yep I know - comedy gift.
      I'm a Scientist, that is the truth. Some time ago I became a big bang theory fan and wanted to be smart like them, so I went to Uni as a mature student and got into Science.
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      Reply #338: Nov 30, 2018 10:40:41 pm
      Go on, draw me a gussian elimination matrix and i'll solve it, or how about give me some numbers for differentiation/integration..
      here we go about Swab knows it all, he even  thinks knows our real life careers.

      Hang on, let me google it, then copy and paste.
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      Reply #339: Nov 30, 2018 10:41:15 pm
      I'm a Scientist, that is the truth. Some time ago I became a big bang theory fan and wanted to be smart like them, so I went to Uni as a mature student and got into Science.

      To what end though? Research lab? In industry?
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      Reply #340: Nov 30, 2018 10:41:56 pm
      I'm a Scientist, that is the truth. Some time ago I became a big bang theory fan and wanted to be smart like them, so I went to Uni as a mature student and got into Science.

       :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

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      Reply #341: Nov 30, 2018 10:42:43 pm
      I'm a Scientist, that is the truth. Some time ago I became a big bang theory fan and wanted to be smart like them, so I went to Uni as a mature student and got into Science.

      Exactly what I meant above.

      Literally no idea if this is a joke, truth or nonsense.  ;D
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      Reply #342: Nov 30, 2018 10:42:54 pm
      Ah interesting - banter aside Ribs - what do you do for a living?

      I’m a banker. Yep I know - comedy gift.

      What kind of banking?
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      Reply #343: Nov 30, 2018 10:45:58 pm
      To what end though? Research lab? In industry?
      I make computers 0.0001% faster .... :f_whistle:
      Mainly working on CPU scheduling algorithms and things like that.
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      Reply #344: Nov 30, 2018 10:46:39 pm

      Retail mate.

      Background in business and management liabilities.

      Having a bit of a mid-life crisis at the mo though and thinking about a fresh start.

      Do something for the soul before it’s too late.......probably won’t but definitely thinking about it ;)
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      Reply #345: Nov 30, 2018 10:48:31 pm
      I make computers 0.0001% faster .... :f_whistle:
      Mainly working on CPU scheduling algorithms and things like that.

      Interesting.

      For a big company (won’t ask whom - Christ knows what crazy people read this) or a small business?
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      Reply #346: Nov 30, 2018 10:48:33 pm
      Retail mate.

      Background in business and management liabilities.

      Having a bit of a mid-life crisis at the mo though and thinking about a fresh start.

      Do something for the soul before it’s too late.......probably won’t but definitely thinking about it ;)
      Management is something I always avoided, have to be more of a people person.
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      Reply #347: Nov 30, 2018 10:50:43 pm
      Management is something I always avoided, have to be more of a people person.

      That bit I love - people support and development.

      Just a bit jaded at the moment with the cyclical nature of it.
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      Reply #348: Nov 30, 2018 10:55:47 pm
      Interesting.

      For a big company (won’t ask whom - Christ knows what crazy people read this) or a small business?
      Big company, I always preferred to be a small fish in a big pond rather than a big fish in a small pond.
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      Reply #349: Nov 30, 2018 10:58:26 pm
      Big company, I always preferred to be a small fish in a big pond rather than a big fish in a small pond.

      Cool. That gives me a bit more understanding.

      Career planning via TV sitcom is a new one mind.......bold 😲
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      Reply #350: Nov 30, 2018 11:00:09 pm
      Retail mate.

      Background in business and management liabilities.

      Having a bit of a mid-life crisis at the mo though and thinking about a fresh start.

      Do something for the soul before it’s too late.......probably won’t but definitely thinking about it ;)

      Is that part of the risk assessment process for loans etc?
      I don't know anything about it really, but I remember years ago when I borrowed some money for the company, I had to have my accounts "risk assessed". They used another term for it, but the fella that I spoke to said that's what it basically was.

      A friend of my wifes went to work for a charity for autistic children, as a fundraiser.
      It's non profit, and they have to compete like crazy for grants, but she finds it rewarding.
      The context is that she'd been some sort of banker (not retail), and while she wasn't rich, she wasn't skint either and it was a bit of a gamble for her.
      The point being, I think most drastic career changes before pension are a gamble.

      On the flip side, the fella I did the Camino with was 22 years a Marine, and gets around 12k a year pension, owns his house.
      He works when he wants to, doing whatever he fancies, he's off on a motorbike trek to the Arctic Circle in a month or 2 riding up through the Nordic countries.
      He's living his dream in other words, but he has a solid pension and his house that he owes nothing on to fall back on should he ever need to, and he's not 50 yet, so as he says himself, "plenty of time to do something I like if I find it."
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      Reply #351: Nov 30, 2018 11:06:54 pm
      That bit I love - people support and development.

      Just a bit jaded at the moment with the cyclical nature of it.
      Anything finance related is always cynical.
      I remember my first ever job long before graduating, I used to have to cross check signatures for fraud, I am guessing computers do that now.
      Walked out in the first week because sales team had targets on the wall about how much money they would make for the company.
      It is not the competitive nature what bothered me, it is that they were feeding clients utter bull crap to give them worst possible rates on loans.
      Company was probably ruining peoples lives to rake in fortunes, so couldn't ethically stay there.
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      Reply #352: Nov 30, 2018 11:07:36 pm
      Is that part of the risk assessment process for loans etc?
      I don't know anything about it really, but I remember years ago when I borrowed some money for the company, I had to have my accounts "risk assessed". They used another term for it, but the fella that I spoke to said that's what it basically was.

      A friend of my wifes went to work for a charity for autistic children, as a fundraiser.
      It's non profit, and they have to compete like crazy for grants, but she finds it rewarding.
      The context is that she'd been some sort of banker (not retail), and while she wasn't rich, she wasn't skint either and it was a bit of a gamble for her.
      The point being, I think most drastic career changes before pension are a gamble.

      On the flip side, the fella I did the Camino with was 22 years a Marine, and gets around 12k a year pension, owns his house.
      He works when he wants to, doing whatever he fancies, he's off on a motorbike trek to the Arctic Circle in a month or 2 riding up through the Nordic countries.
      He's living his dream in other words, but he has a solid pension and his house that he owes nothing on to fall back on should he ever need to, and he's not 50 yet, so as he says himself, plenty of time to do something I like if I find it.

      Not really - I have had some experience of scoring systems etc but more from a sales management perspective.

      I’m in product / proposition development - working out what people need and how we can get it to them simply and efficiently to make money.

      I’m 48 and whilst I’ve been lucky and this is a good living it’s never been a vocation. I wanna retire in 10 years max and just working the options through at the moment.
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      Reply #353: Nov 30, 2018 11:10:29 pm
      Anything finance related is always cynical.
      I remember my first ever job I used to have to cross check signatures for fraud, I am guessing computers do that now.
      Walked out in the first week because sales team had targets on the wall about how much money they would make for the company.
      It is not the competitive nature what bothered me, it is that they were feeding clients utter bull crap to give them worst possible rates on loans.
      Company was probably ruining peoples lives to rake in fortunes, so couldn't ethically stay there.

      I did mean cyclical to be fair - 12 month investment budgets and repetitive governance forums etc.....but you’re right that the industry has made terrible mistakes.
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      Reply #354: Nov 30, 2018 11:19:03 pm
      Not really - I have had some experience of scoring systems etc but more from a sales management perspective.

      I’m in product / proposition development - working out what people need and how we can get it to them simply and efficiently to make money.

      I’m 48 and whilst I’ve been lucky and this is a good living it’s never been a vocation. I wanna retire in 10 years max and just working the options through at the moment.

      OK, I think I understand, if I can use an analogy, kind of Banking R&D?

      I retired a few years back, around the time I joined this forum (I was bored).
      I was extremely lucky, and managed to make money out of the 2008 crash, thanks to a golfing mate.
      I really wish I'd kept going, but it was time for my son to take over the business; he's much better at the management side, and has diversified us as well, with a strong focus on sustainable and "green" building, using low carbon materials and renewables (inc energy) as much as possible. It's his passion, but it leaves me cold, being an old bricks and mortar man.
      I've tried to find different things to do, but the plain fact is, at heart, I'm a simple bog paddy and finding something that makes me feel passionate seems impossible, if I'm not already into it.
      In other words, I should have had a plan before packing in something I genuinely loved.
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      Reply #355: Dec 01, 2018 05:50:08 am
      I did mean cyclical to be fair - 12 month investment budgets and repetitive governance forums etc.....but you’re right that the industry has made terrible mistakes.

      I work in governance, depends on what you’re doing with it, governance can be extremely dull and ‘box ticking’ but I enjoy the theory behind it and the impact it has on the bigger picture.

      Rip played a blinder here, getting stick and we end up all talking about our careers instead :D
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      Reply #356: Dec 01, 2018 07:13:22 am
      I work in governance, depends on what you’re doing with it, governance can be extremely dull and ‘box ticking’ but I enjoy the theory behind it and the impact it has on the bigger picture.

      Rip played a blinder here, getting stick and we end up all talking about our careers instead :D

      Yeh wasn't the principle mate - it was the cycle year on year etc. I've been doing it a long time.......

      It was me who pursued it with Ribs - there has to be a human behind the noise, right? ;)
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      Reply #357: Dec 01, 2018 07:29:44 am
      OK, I think I understand, if I can use an analogy, kind of Banking R&D?

      I retired a few years back, around the time I joined this forum (I was bored).
      I was extremely lucky, and managed to make money out of the 2008 crash, thanks to a golfing mate.
      I really wish I'd kept going, but it was time for my son to take over the business; he's much better at the management side, and has diversified us as well, with a strong focus on sustainable and "green" building, using low carbon materials and renewables (inc energy) as much as possible. It's his passion, but it leaves me cold, being an old bricks and mortar man.
      I've tried to find different things to do, but the plain fact is, at heart, I'm a simple bog paddy and finding something that makes me feel passionate seems impossible, if I'm not already into it.
      In other words, I should have had a plan before packing in something I genuinely loved.

      Yeh that's part of it - I  design and am responsible for the do the end to end build too.  Every word a kid in a uniform is allowed to say to a customer (to inform them) has to be considered and tested.....likewise every key stroke online. 

      I just stumbled into a career when I met the missus and needed to provide - turned out I wasn't bad at it but in truth I love the coaching / development stuff and wish I'd gone into consultancy work or set up something myself. Trouble is I don't have an entreprenureal bone in my body.......

      Ach well - here's to a late onset mid-life crisis :)
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      Reply #358: Dec 01, 2018 08:40:17 am
      Anyway, back to Kloppoball.

      Quote from The Real Donavan Ried
      This is the first time that I have said this, although I don't believe that it was aimed at me in particular....
      This is not just about the other night and definitely not just about losing or not winning games, although it would be a lie if i said it had nothing at  all to do with it.

      Not shipping out players that needed to go. He needs to be a bit ruthless in his transfer dealings (Players out). Problem there is he is such an all round nice guy.
      i.e not taking Shaqiri to Belgrade.... Now i think that we all understood the reasons why he did not do this, and the Humanity in us all totally agreed, but most manager would have taken him and even played him, which would have been the right thing to do.

      If you understand it, why are you questioning the decision? We lost in Belgrade, because after the home game most people assumed it was an easy three points. I certainly didn't, as history tells us that getting a result from Belgrade is never easy, we found that out the hard way, and PSG probably won't find it easy out there either. The result had nothing to do with Shaq staying at home.

      We ship at least 10-15 players out every summer, but if players are under contract, they can only go if we want to sell, someone wants to buy, and the player wants to go. And understandably, not many players want to go away, with Klopp in charge.

      10 years ago, we all sat through another 0-0 borefest at home to West Ham, for which the team were rightly booed off. 5 years ago, Skrtel was scoring own goals while we were getting nothing at Hull. As it stands today, we're 2 points from the top of the league, 1 goal from the next round of the European Cup, made our best ever start to the league, with more goals scored and less conceded than at the same point last season. We can't do much about City's results, but we're making a lot of progress. It's not that long ago since we were wondering can we make the top 4, instead of can we win the league? We've come a long way since then.
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      Reply #359: Dec 01, 2018 11:36:21 am
      And as if right on cue, here’s our Jürgen exposing why we had to change our style and why anyone who thought we would do that whilst seamlessly maintaining the fluency in attack is a numpty;

      https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11568131/jurgen-klopp-exclusive-liverpool-boss-on-why-the-team-had-to-evolve?basketId=11669

      And a separate one where he makes clear that Naby and Fabinho will be involved in due course;

      https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/11/30/jurgen-klopp-bristles-criticism-liverpool-midfielders-ahead/?li_source=LI&li_medium=li-recommendation-widget

      So presumably that now settles the nonsense about Fabinho being ‘frozen out’ and the reasons behind us not twatting every team 6 0 this year.
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