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      Jürgen Klopp - LFC Manager - 2018/19 Edition

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      Re: Jürgen Klopp - LFC Manager - 2018/19 Edition
      Reply #360: Dec 01, 2018 12:36:47 pm
      And as if right on cue, here’s our Jürgen exposing why we had to change our style and why anyone who thought we would do that whilst seamlessly maintaining the fluency in attack is a numpty;

      https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11568131/jurgen-klopp-exclusive-liverpool-boss-on-why-the-team-had-to-evolve?basketId=11669

      And a separate one where he makes clear that Naby and Fabinho will be involved in due course;

      https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/11/30/jurgen-klopp-bristles-criticism-liverpool-midfielders-ahead/?li_source=LI&li_medium=li-recommendation-widget

      So presumably that now settles the nonsense about Fabinho ring ‘frozen out’ and the reasons behind us not testing every team 6 0 this year.

      I keep posting about the importance of building pressure and creating space by using possession, but it just gets ignored in favour of the witch hunt, just as the importance of a midfield runner gets ignored.

      I really want to start seeing Keita soon though, because I think he can make a big difference in breaking the lines and creating space for the forwards, just as Ox did last season, and in a different way, Coutinho as well.
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      Reply #361: Dec 01, 2018 12:48:16 pm
      I keep saying it, but it bears repeating; we need that runner from midfield. Ox did it superbly last season, but Keita has yet to force his way in as the runner.
      From the clips I've seen, he's really good at it and also uses the ball well in the final 3rd.
      Hoping we can see more of him soon.

      Sure, we miss Ox, and could do with the Keita we thought we signed.
      But last season we had no Keita and I don't reckon Ox was the reason we were blowing teams away, scoring shedloads.
      Imho the front 3's form is well below it was at its best last season, all other things being relatively equal.
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      Reply #362: Dec 01, 2018 01:35:31 pm
      I keep posting about the importance of building pressure and creating space by using possession, but it just gets ignored in favour of the witch hunt, just as the importance of a midfield runner gets ignored.

      I really want to start seeing Keita soon though, because I think he can make a big difference in breaking the lines and creating space for the forwards, just as Ox did last season, and in a different way, Coutinho as well.
      so, who would you drop to fit Keita in?
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      Reply #363: Dec 01, 2018 01:51:05 pm
      Sure, we miss Ox, and could do with the Keita we thought we signed.
      But last season we had no Keita and I don't reckon Ox was the reason we were blowing teams away, scoring shedloads.
      Imho the front 3's form is well below it was at its best last season, all other things being relatively equal.

      Fair enough mate, I see it differently, in that the runner creates the space the front 3 need to really thrive and score lots of goals.
      It's one of the things that works well against bus parkers, and gives us another dimension.
      I mean, if a runner breaks that first defensive line, the 2nd line has to react, which opens up some space.

      Other things were different last season as well of course, in that a lot of teams were more open against us, whereas now, we see a lot more bus parking.
      We're more solid defensively as well, and yes some of that is VVD and Alisson, but some of it is also a change in how we play generally, with the midfield 3 closer to the CB's.

      I suppose it comes down to Klopp wanting to balance the team between attack and defense which always takes a bit of time to get right, especially when new players are being integrated as well.
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      Reply #364: Dec 01, 2018 01:57:40 pm
      so, who would you drop to fit Keita in?

      Who would you drop Rib? :f_tongueincheek:
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      Reply #365: Dec 01, 2018 02:20:11 pm
      Hendo, it's obvious. Shabs and Swab both keep saying about a runner, both have not specified who they would drop, they've been asked half a dozen times. I'll continue to ask everyone they say we need a runner, I doubt they'll answer though...
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      Reply #366: Dec 01, 2018 02:21:42 pm
      Hendo, it's obvious. Shabs and Swab both keep saying about a runner, both have not specified who they would drop, they've been asked half a dozen times. I'll continue to ask everyone they say we need a runner.

      I've answered this question a few times.
      I'm not under any obligation to keep doing it just because you're too f**king lazy to look.
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      Reply #367: Dec 01, 2018 02:22:27 pm
      I've answered this question a few times.
      I'm not under any obligation to keep doing it just because you're too f**king lazy to look.
      you answered 0 times. Name the player then?...
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      Reply #368: Dec 01, 2018 02:26:13 pm
      you answered 0 times. Name the player then?...

      I wouldn’t drop Henderson..

      Rib, When we signed Henderson, What specific role did we sign him for? DM or B2B..?
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      Reply #369: Dec 01, 2018 02:35:37 pm
      I wouldn’t drop Henderson..

      Rib, When we signed Henderson, What specific role did we sign him for? DM or B2B..?
      box to box, I actually think he will okay at that role more than DM. Problem is he isn't our best box to box option either anymore. Had he not been in DM so long he might have been, whilst Ox is out there's an opportunity for him to rotate with Keita in a more forward role though.. I'd actually prefer that to Lallana if I'm honest.
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      Reply #370: Dec 01, 2018 02:47:51 pm
      box to box, I actually think he will okay at that role more than DM. Problem is he isn't our best box to box option either anymore. Had he not been in DM so long he might have been, whilst Ox is out there's an opportunity for him to rotate with Keita in a more forward role though.. I'd actually prefer that to Lallana if I'm honest.

      So, You know what role we bought Henderson for but you can’t understand why his form is not the best in a DM role, a role in which he has had to adapt to..

      Henderson is wasted in a DM role, he has for more to offer this team than some understand..
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      Reply #371: Dec 01, 2018 02:47:54 pm
      I suppose it comes down to Klopp wanting to balance the team between attack and defense which always takes a bit of time to get right, especially when new players are being integrated as well.

      Absolutely, it can take time to get the balance right, he's done a great job with the defence, and am also hopeful once Keita starts playing regularly that will give us more forward drive from the middle.
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      Reply #372: Dec 01, 2018 02:50:21 pm
      Anyway, back to Kloppoball.

      If you understand it, why are you questioning the decision? We lost in Belgrade, because after the home game most people assumed it was an easy three points. I certainly didn't, as history tells us that getting a result from Belgrade is never easy, we found that out the hard way, and PSG probably won't find it easy out there either. The result had nothing to do with Shaq staying at home.

      We ship at least 10-15 players out every summer, but if players are under contract, they can only go if we want to sell, someone wants to buy, and the player wants to go. And understandably, not many players want to go away, with Klopp in charge.

      10 years ago, we all sat through another 0-0 borefest at home to West Ham, for which the team were rightly booed off. 5 years ago, Skrtel was scoring own goals while we were getting nothing at Hull. As it stands today, we're 2 points from the top of the league, 1 goal from the next round of the European Cup, made our best ever start to the league, with more goals scored and less conceded than at the same point last season. We can't do much about City's results, but we're making a lot of progress. It's not that long ago since we were wondering can we make the top 4, instead of can we win the league? We've come a long way since then.

      I said that I understood his decision, but I did not say now, or at the time that i agreed with it...

      And yes we have come a long way, and for the most part Klopp has been a fantastic manage, but there been mistakes along the way, and yes all managers make them, but Klopp seems to either not learn from them and make the same ones over and over again or it takes longer for him to understand the mistakes made...
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      Reply #373: Dec 01, 2018 03:15:37 pm
      Henderson is wasted in a DM role, he has for more to offer this team than some understand..
      I think that with Ox out and the fact we have Gini and Fabinho, he has an opportunity to get out of DM now. Anyway, as others said.. Back to Klopp
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      Reply #374: Dec 01, 2018 03:17:38 pm
      I'm a Scientist, that is the truth. Some time ago I became a big bang theory fan and wanted to be smart like them, so I went to Uni as a mature student and got into Science.
       

      Hmm,could be true,argue a point even if they know they're wrong or a bit clueless about the subject but cos they have a PHD think they are wicked smarter than us normal folks.  ;)
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      Reply #375: Dec 01, 2018 03:55:27 pm
      I think that with Ox out and the fact we have Gini and Fabinho, he has an opportunity to get out of DM now. Anyway, as others said.. Back to Klopp

      Are you conceding that you are wrong on Henderson now the facts are clear & wish to draw a line under the matter?.
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      Reply #376: Dec 01, 2018 04:09:51 pm
      Are you conceding that you are wrong on Henderson now the facts are clear & wish to draw a line under the matter?.
      I've never liked Henderson as DM. I'd be willing for him to be moved somewhere such as number 8, right now Ox is injured and Keita won't be able to play all games. Shaqiri could be needed to replace one of the front 3 at times and won't always be an option in the middle, it makes sense to use Henderson as an 8 now we have a lot of #6 options. I'm not conceding I was wrong, since I never said he shouldn't play.. my argument is regarding he's always first choice without enough merit. I think he might have more merit as an 8, yet to be seen recently.
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      Reply #377: Dec 01, 2018 09:33:45 pm
      I wouldn’t drop Henderson..

      Rib, When we signed Henderson, What specific role did we sign him for? DM or B2B..?
      Did not Kenny D have  him playing on the right instead of Kuyt...??
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      Reply #378: Dec 02, 2018 02:08:07 am
      You still didn't state who you would drop. My guess is you'd roll out with 12 men to add this runner then.
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      Reply #379: Dec 02, 2018 08:26:26 am
      You still didn't state who you would drop. My guess is you'd roll out with 12 men to add this runner then.

      You still haven’t explained what the pivot means & how it would have worked with that team you picked..🙄

      & you want me to answer you..?
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      Reply #380: Dec 02, 2018 09:28:33 am
      You still haven’t explained what the pivot means & how it would have worked with that team you picked..🙄

      & you want me to answer you..?

      think I have found the answer after much research on my part taking nearly 5 seconds.
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      Reply #381: Dec 03, 2018 07:22:45 am
      Loving SSN this morning, I’ll never tire of re-watching Klopp legging around the pitch like a frickin madman!!!! Just brilliant, may favourite Klopp moment yet
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      Reply #382: Dec 03, 2018 09:46:57 am
      You know, if it was any other season we would be 6 or 8 points in the lead at the top, unfortunately Man City are a bunch of cheats with their money cheat codes breaking FFP rules and running away with everything

      and Klopp is boss 8)
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      Reply #383: Dec 03, 2018 09:56:07 am
      You still haven’t explained what the pivot means & how it would have worked with that team you picked..🙄

      & you want me to answer you..?
      Give up with you, I know what a pivot is of course. We started with one yesterday. Nice smokescreen to avoid answering a question you did there.
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      Reply #384: Dec 03, 2018 11:40:42 am
      Give up with you, I know what a pivot is of course. We started with one yesterday. Nice smokescreen to avoid answering a question you did there.

      Explain it then.

      You're now calling it a pivot.
      Explain what you think a double-pivot is.
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      Reply #385: Dec 03, 2018 02:22:03 pm
      Loving SSN this morning, I’ll never tire of re-watching Klopp legging around the pitch like a frickin madman!!!! Just brilliant, may favourite Klopp moment yet

      Even better is how much it seems to be boiling piss all around. ;D

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      Reply #386: Dec 03, 2018 02:29:33 pm
      Even better is how much it seems to be boiling piss all around. ;D

      I don't really go in for schadenfreude very much, but in this case, I'm making an exception.
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      Reply #387: Dec 03, 2018 02:33:03 pm
      "Look I'm not paying seven bloody quid every time I want a shave..I mean one feckin' shave and they are feckin' blunt...I'm using them till they go friggin rusty...get my friggin money's worth.....see if I don't...."
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      Reply #388: Dec 03, 2018 03:35:38 pm
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