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      Jürgen Klopp - LFC Manager - 2018/19 Edition

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      Reply #840: Mar 05, 2019 07:37:38 pm
      It's an unpopular opinion and I don't care. It's my opinion and attack it all you want, it's a forum.

      We had a massive lead and now we are behind, we dropped points to West Ham and Leicester and people are saying the reason we aren't top is because City are financially doping? It's a Kopout! We aren't top because we had a sh*te run of form after a sh*te transfer window.

      I didn't say sack Klopp, but if it's the summer of 2020 and there's no trophy that will be the 5 year mark and I'd replace at that point "if he gets to the 5 year mark with no trophy".

      That's fair and take this out of context all you like, you all love to do that and accuse me if being a WUM, but as a fan I want trophies and you mediocre worshippers are WUMS to me.

      Moderators, moderate abuse not opinions please!!!!! The behave comment is ludicrous.

      Someone telling you to behave is not abuse so stop being a donut.

      As for the massive lead lead let's not get too carried away here. We had a seven point lead going into an away game with City. Of course it would been nice to win that game but then not many have done that at their place in the last couple of years so unfortunately that massive lead quickly turned into a four point lead.
      Admittedly Koop has got a little bit defensive and conservative for my liking but in essence I think are paying for our lack of quality squad depth in comparison to this City side who have ridiculous talent at virtually every position. Unfortunately a few of our lads have hit a rough trot of form such as Salah and Firmino a little while back and the replacements like Shapiri and Studge have lost the form that they themselves showed earlier in the season. We simply look a couple of quality players short to sustain the challenge.

      It's important also to recognise we had some luck during our unbeaten start to the season, a couple of soft penalties, the late winner against he bitters and very few critical injuries to deal with. That luck hasn't really been there of late.

      How about cutting out the bleating though. I'm starting ridiculous to post something you know to be a bit inflammatory and whinge when it gets a bit spicy. You do it time and time again and it's gotten old and repetitive.
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      Reply #841: Mar 05, 2019 08:07:18 pm
      Did I strike a nerve....?

      Were you one of those who defended Rafa's comments on Klopp and can't admit that now...?

      Like most of your posts on here I don’t have a scoobie what you are on about.
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      Reply #842: Mar 05, 2019 08:23:44 pm
      We appointed a former Rangers coach before. That started the title famine. I'm not very keen to repeat it. Carra has his licence, he just doesn't want to coach. He prefers to be a pundit, telling everyone else how to play the game.

      Shaqiri was brought on at the mancs. It didn't work.
      Sturrudge was brought on at the mancs. It didn't work.
      Origi was brought on at the mancs. It didn't work.

      3 forwards brought on, no reward. So he should do it again?

      You got your explanation, we got our point. If you want to find out why we didn't get more, there are others to point the finger at.

      Well hang on the other day you were giving it the big 'un after i said we can't rely on Origi Shaqiri and Sturridge. You came back at me with Origi earnt us 2 points against Everton, Shaq likewise against United and Sturridge a point against Chelsea.

      I did tell you at the time that that was small fry in terms of what stand in players in a top team should be offering a side so it at least now looks like we both agree on something.

      We need far better than Origi and Sturridge as back up strikers.
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      Reply #843: Mar 05, 2019 08:33:11 pm
      We appointed a former Rangers coach before. That started the title famine. I'm not very keen to repeat it. Carra has his licence, he just doesn't want to coach. He prefers to be a pundit, telling everyone else how to play the game.

      Shaqiri was brought on at the mancs. It didn't work.
      Sturrudge was brought on at the mancs. It didn't work.
      Origi was brought on at the mancs. It didn't work.

      3 forwards brought on, no reward. So he should do it again?

      You got your explanation, we got our point. If you want to find out why we didn't get more, there are others to point the finger at.

      By that logic once something fails it should never be attempted again, not matter how different the circumstances are. We have a limited pool of players to draw upon, those players have to be picked as subs if they don't start, sooner or later. Klopp's substitutions at United showed he wanted to win the game. His subs away at Everton  showed he didn't want to lose the game. Two very different things. The vast majority of anger after the Everton game was these meek substitutions. Fans would rather us have gone down swinging. After all, where's the difference between one and two points behind? Either amount means a City loss puts us back ahead of them, neither means a City draw is good enough to take us top becauses of goal difference, so why not try win the game?
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      Reply #844: Mar 05, 2019 09:02:40 pm
      Well hang on the other day you were giving it the big 'un after i said we can't rely on Origi Shaqiri and Sturridge. You came back at me with Origi earnt us 2 points against Everton, Shaq likewise against United and Sturridge a point against Chelsea.

      I did tell you at the time that that was small fry in terms of what stand in players in a top team should be offering a side so it at least now looks like we both agree on something.

      We need far better than Origi and Sturridge as back up strikers.
      In my opinion Shaqiri is the best person to rotate with the front 3, he's rotated with Henderson instead whist Lallana went into the front 3. Klopp's substitutes have been a shambles once taking off the rose tinted goggles.
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      Reply #845: Mar 05, 2019 10:59:51 pm
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      Well hang on the other day you were giving it the big 'un after i said we can't rely on Origi Shaqiri and Sturridge. You came back at me with Origi earnt us 2 points against Everton, Shaq likewise against United and Sturridge a point against Chelsea.

      I did tell you at the time that that was small fry in terms of what stand in players in a top team should be offering a side so it at least now looks like we both agree on something.

      We need far better than Origi and Sturridge as back up strikers.

      That wasn't my point tbh. I wasn't questioning the squad depth, I was explaining why Klopp made the subs he did when he did.

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      By that logic once something fails it should never be attempted again, not matter how different the circumstances are. We have a limited pool of players to draw upon, those players have to be picked as subs if they don't start, sooner or later. Klopp's substitutions at United showed he wanted to win the game. His subs away at Everton  showed he didn't want to lose the game. Two very different things. The vast majority of anger after the Everton game was these meek substitutions. Fans would rather us have gone down swinging.

      When we drop the ball, there's meltdown. Even if we draw nowadays, there's meltdown. Losing the derby would mean anarchy.

      We get a point at Chelsea. We "didn't deserve it".
      We get a point at Arsenal. Mass panic.
      We get a point at Everton. The "league is over".

      That's the type of debate that Jürgen has to deal with. It's why he snaps at reporters asking him the same questions again and again and again.

      If he sacrificed a midfielder for a forward  and we subsequently lost, he would have to listen to press and pundits and fans saying he was reckless. We played 4 forwards during the game, more than enough ammo to score the one goal we needed.

      We have 70 points, an unbelievable total at this stage of the season, with no top 4 worries. There's still time to make it an even better season.
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      Reply #846: Mar 05, 2019 11:08:54 pm
      We get a point at Chelsea. We "didn't deserve it".
      We get a point at Arsenal. Mass panic.
      We get a point at Everton. The "league is over".
      What about Leicester and West Ham? You deliberately omitted those. We aren't winning the league because of the results to lower teams not the ones you mentioned.
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      Reply #847: Mar 05, 2019 11:51:16 pm
      I picked out 3 draws. I could have picked any draw this season, the reaction is more or less the same.

      We've dropped 6 points to lower teams all season, City have been losing to them. It's a league campaign. It's won and lost over 38 games, against all kinds of teams. We're 9 points clear of the side we've finished below in 8 of the last 9 years. That's the bigger picture. The level of progress in the past 12 months, let alone 3.5 years, is staggering.

      I know how it feels to win the league. It's better than the European Cup. We were not expected to win the league this season, still aren't. At the start of the season, I personally thought we would need to wait another 12 months to be ready. We were panicking against Tranmere in pre season, drawing 0-0 at Bury and it looked like nothing was learned.

      I want that title back as much as everyone else, but if we fall short this year, it's still been a great season. It's different to Rafa who was brought in specifically to win the league title, so when he didn't win the league then imo he didn't do the job. Klopp was brought to finish in the top 4, so if we don't win the title, I won't be calling for him to be sacked. Anything more than top 4 is a bonus. This title challenge is the bonus. It should be enjoyed, not crying about what coulda/woulda/shoulda been.
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      Reply #848: Mar 06, 2019 03:02:43 am
      It's different to Rafa who was brought in specifically to win the league title, so when he didn't win the league then imo he didn't do the job. Klopp was brought to finish in the top 4, so if we don't win the title, I won't be calling for him to be sacked. Anything more than top 4 is a bonus. This title challenge is the bonus. It should be enjoyed, not crying about what coulda/woulda/shoulda been.

      Rafa didn’t win the league with us, so in that regard you are right when you say he failed on that front. But, he did win the Champions League so I think he got himself more than enough credit to not be deemed a failure for not winning the league. Not to mention a few other trophies here and there.

      I love Klopp, there isn’t anyone else I would want as manager, I hope he’s here for a long time. But how can you say he was brought in to just finish top 4 when he said this right at the start;

      "If I sit here in four years, I am pretty confident we will have one title,"

      That isn’t the words of a manager who has been brought into a club with the aim of just finishing top 4.

      The amount of money we have spent in the last year isn’t the money spent to just ensure a top 4 finish, it’s to try and win the league.

      If we don’t win the league this season then come October/November, 4 years on from Klopp giving that speech, he’d have failed to deliver on his words.

      Though, he’s not a Spaniard called Rafa Benitez so it won’t fit your agenda to start calling him a failure because you’re a hypocrite. Oh and just to add, there’s every chance that come the 4 year mark, we won’t have won a single trophy, whilst Rafa had won 4 or 5(?) bits of silverware by that point, with a far weaker team.

      If you said to Klopp all he has to do is finish top 4 every season, and nothing else matters other than that, he’d likely tell you to go f**k yourself.
      Klopp isn’t a manager to settle for 2nd best, he’s finished 2nd best far too many times, he’s as desperate as us to win things but it’s his and our rotten luck that we are competing against a team as strong as City...something I’m sure you will use as an excuse for Klopp but slate Rafa despite Rafa having to compete with the finances of Chelsea and United at the time.

      Klopp is the best thing that’s happened to us since Rafa, but he won’t be highlighting us as his standout moments in his career if all he has to do to be a success with us is to finish top 4 every year. He’s not at Arsenal, he’s at Liverpool, where there is an expectation to deliver.
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      Reply #849: Mar 06, 2019 07:01:28 am
      In my opinion Shaqiri is the best person to rotate with the front 3, he's rotated with Henderson instead whist Lallana went into the front 3. Klopp's substitutes have been a shambles once taking off the rose tinted goggles.

      Shaqiri’s form has not been good since scoring two against the mancs, in fact he has been really off his game, I thought he was terrible at Trafford when he came on. I would argue that is why he out of favour. The much bigger head scratcher is the omission of Keita who was just beginning to find some real form.
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      Reply #850: Mar 06, 2019 07:10:35 am
      Rafa didn’t win the league with us, so in that regard you are right when you say he failed on that front. But, he did win the Champions League so I think he got himself more than enough credit to not be deemed a failure for not winning the league. Not to mention a few other trophies here and there.

      I love Klopp, there isn’t anyone else I would want as manager, I hope he’s here for a long time. But how can you say he was brought in to just finish top 4 when he said this right at the start;

      "If I sit here in four years, I am pretty confident we will have one title,"

      That isn’t the words of a manager who has been brought into a club with the aim of just finishing top 4.

      The amount of money we have spent in the last year isn’t the money spent to just ensure a top 4 finish, it’s to try and win the league.

      If we don’t win the league this season then come October/November, 4 years on from Klopp giving that speech, he’d have failed to deliver on his words.

      Though, he’s not a Spaniard called Rafa Benitez so it won’t fit your agenda to start calling him a failure because you’re a hypocrite. Oh and just to add, there’s every chance that come the 4 year mark, we won’t have won a single trophy, whilst Rafa had won 4 or 5(?) bits of silverware by that point, with a far weaker team.

      If you said to Klopp all he has to do is finish top 4 every season, and nothing else matters other than that, he’d likely tell you to go f**k yourself.
      Klopp isn’t a manager to settle for 2nd best, he’s finished 2nd best far too many times, he’s as desperate as us to win things but it’s his and our rotten luck that we are competing against a team as strong as City...something I’m sure you will use as an excuse for Klopp but slate Rafa despite Rafa having to compete with the finances of Chelsea and United at the time.

      Klopp is the best thing that’s happened to us since Rafa, but he won’t be highlighting us as his standout moments in his career if all he has to do to be a success with us is to finish top 4 every year. He’s not at Arsenal, he’s at Liverpool, where there is an expectation to deliver.
      I agree with this, but as strong as city are we can't keep using that as an excuse, 4 draws in 6 games isn't title winning form. It's not like City are unbeaten or anything. We can't using City's strength as an excuse for our recent poor performance when it's entirely separate.
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      Reply #851: Mar 06, 2019 08:59:28 am
      Shaqiri’s form has not been good since scoring two against the mancs, in fact he has been really off his game, I thought he was terrible at Trafford when he came on. I would argue that is why he out of favour. The much bigger head scratcher is the omission of Keita who was just beginning to find some real form.
      People banging the Shaqiri drum are forgetting one thing ,he’s been poor in almost every game he starts , and when the going gets tough he disappears ,
      It’s no shock to me he doesn’t start these type of games ,
       At the moment our midfield simply isn’t contributing enough , wether that’s goals or assists, both areas are shockingly poor at the moment for a team with title ambitions , I think Jürgen expected a hell of a lot more out of Naby , then the whole dynamics of the midfield would have altered ,
      Not getting a Fekir type player and the form of Naby has greatly influenced the midfield .
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      Reply #852: Mar 06, 2019 11:10:03 am
      I  don't know if we will win it this year or not, my heart says we won't but the bigger picture here is ensuring we compete year on year. LFC have NEVER put together back to back title challenges since the Premier League cam into play, in fact every time we have had a decent run at it we have imploded the following year. In 2002 Houliier's 'ten games from greatness' talk saw us limp out of the Champions League and the League in the space of a couple of weeks and then we were shocking the following year (despite winning a League Cup). In 2008-09 Rafa's Reds nearly did it but then we sold Alonso, had injuries to Torres and didn't invest properly to push on again. Similar story in 2013-14 with Suarez going and a  raft of mediocre shi...te signings coming in to replace him.

      Klopp and Edwards have absolutely knocked it out the park so far as transfers go. VVD, Allison, Wjinaldum, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Mane, Salah have been spectacular signings. Add those to the development of youngsters like Gomez and Trent and you can see we're in great shape. We do look a bit short in the depth department but so long as we can keep this team together and continue to add to it I fully expect us to be in the race for the title every year. I think it's important to keep that in mind if it doesn't happen for us this year. And as for the minority of idiots who allude to Klopp being under pressure if he doesn't win a trophy this year blah blah blah just look at the progress he has made, 3 Finals, about to secure 3rd consecutive season in the Champions League, has us in the thick of a Title Challenge against possibly the best side we've seen in the last 20 years. He's got my vote this season (no matter what happens and beyond).
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      Reply #853: Mar 06, 2019 01:30:02 pm
      I agree with this, but as strong as city are we can't keep using that as an excuse, 4 draws in 6 games isn't title winning form. It's not like City are unbeaten or anything. We can't using City's strength as an excuse for our recent poor performance when it's entirely separate.

      It’s not a case of using anything as an excuse and where have I even mentioned our current form in that post? Before last season, if we were having the season we are now, with this points tally so far then the chances are we would be clear of everyone, there wouldn’t be another team doing just as good so the facts speak for themselves; last season they got 100 points and this season, although they can’t quite get that tally again, they won’t be far off. Our recent form has nothing to do with City and I’m not using City as an excuse for it but when a team amassed just short of 200 points in 2 seasons, they are something pretty formidable.
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      Reply #854: Mar 06, 2019 01:44:25 pm
      It’s not a case of using anything as an excuse and where have I even mentioned our current form in that post? Before last season, if we were having the season we are now, with this points tally so far then the chances are we would be clear of everyone, there wouldn’t be another team doing just as good so the facts speak for themselves; last season they got 100 points and this season, although they can’t quite get that tally again, they won’t be far off. Our recent form has nothing to do with City and I’m not using City as an excuse for it but when a team amassed just short of 200 points in 2 seasons, they are something pretty formidable.



      Good post, Man City are a great team with strength in depth and seems like a never ending cheque book, but we are getting better every season under Jürgen, and the gap between us and City has closed considerably this season and we could still win the damn thing.
      Surely we should be judged on the end of the season and not with 9 games to go.
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      Reply #856: Mar 06, 2019 08:05:16 pm
      Madrid can f**k off. He's needed right now. I wouldn't be against him going there in 2020 if he had still not won anything, but for now he should remain our manager.
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      Reply #857: Mar 06, 2019 08:06:41 pm
      Madrid can f**k off. He's needed right now. I wouldn't be against him going there in 2020 of he had still not won anything, but for now he should remain our manager.

      2020, how about you f**k off to Madrid aye?..

      Back to the article.. lazy journalism... 👍🏼
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      Reply #858: Mar 06, 2019 08:11:55 pm
      2020, how about you f**k off to Madrid aye?..

      Back to the article.. lazy journalism... 👍🏼
      It's not lazy journalism. Mirror, Telegraph, Independent and Echo...etc all going with same story.
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      Reply #859: Mar 06, 2019 10:26:05 pm
      Madrid can f**k off. He's needed right now. I wouldn't be against him going there in 2020 if he had still not won anything, but for now he should remain our manager.

      So if we don't win the league or the Champions League by the end of next season they can have him??? That's really telling them to Fu....ck off is that.
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      Reply #860: Mar 07, 2019 02:05:31 am
      Madrid can f**k off. He's needed right now. I wouldn't be against him going there in 2020 if he had still not won anything, but for now he should remain our manager.

      I'm confused??? A few posts ago, I'm sure you said he shouldn't be our Manager, now you don't want RM to get him and say "f**k off".

      Do you want Jürgen or not?
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      Reply #861: Mar 07, 2019 01:09:37 pm
      I'm confused??? A few posts ago, I'm sure you said he shouldn't be our Manager, now you don't want RM to get him and say "f**k off".

      Do you want Jürgen or not?

      Let me attempt to answer... When Klopp draws or loses, he should be gone. No room for error. Klopp buys himself another match when he wins. In other words, we would have Klopp living on borrowed time because by now we should have won everything available.  :f_whistle:

      Am I heartless or what? Oh I forgot, no room for sentiment. None! Win or get lost! :lmao:
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      Reply #862: Mar 07, 2019 03:06:38 pm
      Madrid can f**k off. He's needed right now. I wouldn't be against him going there in 2020 if he had still not won anything, but for now he should remain our manager.

      "Madrid can f**k off, until next year"


      What planet are you living on, kid?
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      Reply #863: Mar 07, 2019 03:22:53 pm
      It's not lazy journalism. Mirror, Telegraph, Independent and Echo...etc all going with same story.

      Theyre all lazy journos nowadays, Ive no time for most of them.

      they're in the business of clickbait, and robbing stories of twitter.

      papers are becoming Irrelevant.
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      Reply #864: Mar 07, 2019 10:35:13 pm
      Let me attempt to answer... When Klopp draws or loses, he should be gone. No room for error. Klopp buys himself another match when he wins. In other words, we would have Klopp living on borrowed time because by now we should have won everything available.  :f_whistle:

      Am I heartless or what? Oh I forgot, no room for sentiment. None! Win or get lost! :lmao:

      Thanks for clearing that up mate.  ;D
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      Reply #865: Mar 07, 2019 10:42:06 pm
      I will clear it up myself. If at summer 2020 we have no trophies, that will be the 5 year mark. At that point we should assess our managerial options. Klopp has been here 4 years now, it would be harsh all round if he left now. He really should give it another year if he messes this season up.
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      Reply #866: Mar 08, 2019 08:27:08 am
      Klopp is a perfect coach for us as the main reason for the drop in form is a short bench.
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      Reply #867: Mar 08, 2019 08:53:00 am
      the main reason for the drop in form is a short bench.
      The likes of Shaqiri are never going to get any taller....  :f_tongueincheek:
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      Reply #868: Mar 08, 2019 11:01:32 am
      Klopp is a perfect coach for us as the main reason for the drop in form is a short bench.
      imho
      a perfect coach
      should not have
      a short bench


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      Re: Jürgen Klopp - LFC Manager - 2018/19 Edition
      Reply #869: Mar 08, 2019 11:26:19 am
      imho
      a perfect coach
      should not have
      a short bench




      So a perfect coach should be a doctor that can magically heal injured players as well?

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