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      Jürgen Klopp - LFC Manager - 2018/19 Edition

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      Re: Jürgen Klopp - LFC Manager - 2018/19 Edition
      Reply #391: Dec 03, 2018 09:39:53 pm
      I questioned Jürgen taking off Mo and Shaq as they were our only 2 creative players on the pitch at the time but what the F**k do I know?

      Made more sense to me watching the LFCTV show match reaction and the lads were saying Everton looked very comfortable defending Mo so Klopp must have wanted them  not to feel so comfortable and that's why Mo was taken off. In hindsight, a wonderful move.
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      Reply #392: Dec 04, 2018 06:56:08 pm
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      Reply #393: Dec 04, 2018 07:08:35 pm
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      Reply #394: Dec 05, 2018 08:06:58 am
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      Reply #395: Dec 05, 2018 10:19:31 am
      Explain it then.

      You're now calling it a pivot.
      Explain what you think a double-pivot is.

      ooh I know the answer to this. A pivot is like half a double pivot. You can really tell people who have probably never set foot on a football pitch never mind kick a ball in anger they keep on desperately trying to find tactical phrases that gives them(in their minds) the impression of superior knowledge of the game.
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      Reply #396: Dec 05, 2018 11:42:18 am
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      Reply #397: Dec 05, 2018 02:44:09 pm
      Explain it then.

      You're now calling it a pivot.
      Explain what you think a double-pivot is.
      A double pivot is the 2 in the 4-2-3-1. Knowing what a pivot outside of football makes it self explanatory, I'm not going to say any more because people can easily use Google. I don't know the point in asking me because I could easily Google this if I didn't know, but I actually already know. These questions strike me as floccinaucinihilipilific ations to be honest.
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      Reply #398: Dec 05, 2018 04:30:16 pm
      Cheers ..
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      Reply #399: Dec 05, 2018 06:11:54 pm
      A double pivot is the 2 in the 4-2-3-1. Knowing what a pivot outside of football makes it self explanatory, I'm not going to say any more because people can easily use Google. I don't know the point in asking me because I could easily Google this if I didn't know, but I actually already know. These questions strike me as floccinaucinihilipilific ations to be honest.

       :laugh:
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      Reply #401: Dec 05, 2018 08:04:43 pm
      A double pivot is the 2 in the 4-2-3-1. Knowing what a pivot outside of football makes it self explanatory, I'm not going to say any more because people can easily use Google. I don't know the point in asking me because I could easily Google this if I didn't know, but I actually already know. These questions strike me as floccinaucinihilipilific ations to be honest.

      I asked because you use it as a point in an argument a lot and because there seems to be some difference between what you think a double-pivot is and what Swab thinks a double-pivot is.
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      Reply #402: Dec 05, 2018 10:49:38 pm
      I asked because you use it as a point in an argument a lot and because there seems to be some difference between what you think a double-pivot is and what Swab thinks a double-pivot is.
      A pivot is the joint between the defence and midfield, this is why bothers some people.. because some people feel like if the defence keeps getting the ball from the pivot it is bad if there are available options forward. A double pivot is when there are two players doing that, by having a double pivot it there are two players instead of one seeking a pass to the midfield, which is why a double pivot doesn't work well in a 4 3 3, since there would be 2 pivots overly passing to one midfielder.  4 2 3 1 works because it is like having 3 midfielders infront of the pivot, but behind a solo striker. Double pivot is overly defensive, so okay when defending an aggregate advantage, but using it in a PL game would be disadvantageous in my opinion. 
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      Reply #403: Dec 06, 2018 08:47:21 am
      Well done gaffer.

      Great night’s work.
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      Reply #404: Dec 06, 2018 11:43:24 am
      A double pivot is the 2 in the 4-2-3-1. Knowing what a pivot outside of football makes it self explanatory, I'm not going to say any more because people can easily use Google. I don't know the point in asking me because I could easily Google this if I didn't know, but I actually already know. These questions strike me as floccinaucinihilipilific ations to be honest.

      I would say it's more of a 4-2-4 with the two sitting slightly deeper. Also a fluid 4-4-2 defending and covering along the flanks. Not that interested in the numbers game as I see it as more fluid movement within a team. Apart from your back 4 the other front 6 need to be fluid, have plenty of pace, invention, flair, tackling, covering etc. All utilised within the team framework. One or two instructed to work deeper.

      Klopp said they set the selected team up in a couple of training sessions. More to see how the inclusion of Shaq up front with Origi and Sturridge. Big call by Klopp. We knew one or two needed a breather and it worked well enough.
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      Reply #405: Dec 06, 2018 01:15:02 pm
      Explain it then.

      You're now calling it a pivot.
      Explain what you think a double-pivot is.

      I think this is what he means

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      Reply #406: Dec 06, 2018 04:17:18 pm
      Keep the fees coming Klopp. Liverpool will pay them for you if you brings us the League :)
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      Reply #407: Dec 07, 2018 04:11:28 pm
      A pivot is the joint between the defence and midfield, this is why bothers some people.. because some people feel like if the defence keeps getting the ball from the pivot it is bad if there are available options forward. A double pivot is when there are two players doing that, by having a double pivot it there are two players instead of one seeking a pass to the midfield, which is why a double pivot doesn't work well in a 4 3 3, since there would be 2 pivots overly passing to one midfielder.  4 2 3 1 works because it is like having 3 midfielders infront of the pivot, but behind a solo striker. Double pivot is overly defensive, so okay when defending an aggregate advantage, but using it in a PL game would be disadvantageous in my opinion. 

      I don't think the double-pivot has players doing the same job.
      Which is probably why it isn't as fluid when Klopp uses it.

      You're probably right in that we have two players doing the same job in the midfield 2, when Fabinho isn't playing.
      I'd like to see Gini or Keita further up the pitch, so if a double-pivot is going to be regular then Klopp needs a creative player in there,
      not somebody who is physical and can carry the ball, but somebody with great distribution.

      Whether it be in the 10 or as part of a double-pivot, that player is still missing from the midfield.
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      Reply #408: Dec 07, 2018 04:43:28 pm
      I don't think the double-pivot has players doing the same job.
      Which is probably why it isn't as fluid when Klopp uses it.

      You're probably right in that we have two players doing the same job in the midfield 2, when Fabinho isn't playing.
      I'd like to see Gini or Keita further up the pitch, so if a double-pivot is going to be regular then Klopp needs a creative player in there,
      not somebody who is physical and can carry the ball, but somebody with great distribution.

      Whether it be in the 10 or as part of a double-pivot, that player is still missing from the midfield.

      Pretty much spot on for me.

      My only caveat is that it’s still a very fluid double we employ - not truly a double pivot in strictest terms - largely because we don’t have that premier creative resource.

      I think IF we had a Fekir or a Silva the other two would be a lot more stable (in different roles) and you’d see one of front 3 still dropping in.

      Fascinating stuff - though to geeks like me it can become a bit of a wankathon :)
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      Reply #409: Dec 07, 2018 06:05:13 pm
      Pretty much spot on for me.

      My only caveat is that it’s still a very fluid double we employ - not truly a double pivot in strictest terms - largely because we don’t have that premier creative resource.

      I think IF we had a Fekir or a Silva the other two would be a lot more stable (in different roles) and you’d see one of front 3 still dropping in.

      Fascinating stuff - though to geeks like me it can become a bit of a wankathon :)

      This is why I compare it more to the volante system than the European double pivot.

      I tend to think  of it in 2 ways; Masch and Alonso = defensive and "fixed" double pivot; Masch and Gerrard = fluid double pivot.
      It seems the simplest way to me, but doubtless there are other players from different teams that would illustrate the point better.
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      Reply #410: Dec 07, 2018 06:08:57 pm
      Double pivots 😂😂😂
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      Reply #411: Dec 08, 2018 02:44:07 pm
      His team selections this week have just been spot on played 3 won 3 scored 8 conceded 1
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      Reply #412: Dec 08, 2018 04:20:21 pm
      Don’t want to get ahead of myself but if we achieve 12 points from our next 4 difficult league games we are on course.
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      Reply #413: Dec 08, 2018 05:31:23 pm
      Don’t want to get ahead of myself but if we achieve 12 points from our next 4 difficult league games we are on course.


      Think it'll all depend on how he uses all these pivots that we have.

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