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      Gini Wijnaldum (Fenerbahce)

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      Gini Wijnaldum (Fenerbahce)
      Jul 11, 2018 02:30:10 pm
      Unhappy to be down the pecking order for LFC"s midfield.
      Liverpool given the green light for him to move.
      Would be reunited with his former PSV boss, Philip Cocu.

      Daily Mirror sourced from

      https://www.aspor.com.tr/galeri/fenerbahce/fenerbahceye-georginio-wijnaldumdan-yesil-isik/3
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      Re: Gini Wijnaldum (Fenerbahce)
      Reply #1: Jul 11, 2018 02:31:58 pm
      Unhappy to be down the pecking order for LFC"s midfield.
      Liverpool given the green light for him to move.
      Would be reunited with his former PSV boss, Philip Cocu.

      Daily Mirror sourced from

      https://www.aspor.com.tr/galeri/fenerbahce/fenerbahceye-georginio-wijnaldumdan-yesil-isik/3

      I would be absolutely gutted if he leaves. I hope this is not true, but usually, there is no smoke without fire :(
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      Re: Gini Wijnaldum (Fenerbahce)
      Reply #2: Jul 11, 2018 02:36:40 pm
      What??!! He’s been heavily involved ever since he joined. A bit of competition comes in and he wants to f**k off? Must be complete bullshit and if it’s not, then Wijnaldum needs to take a good long look at himself
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      Reply #3: Jul 11, 2018 02:41:36 pm
      What??!! He’s been heavily involved ever since he joined. A bit of competition comes in and he wants to f**k off? Must be complete bullshit and if it’s not, then Wijnaldum needs to take a good long look at himself

      Yeah, I actually would have put him down as 1st choice midfielder in a midfield 3 with Fabinho and Keita. Very shocked at this tbh.
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      Re: Gini Wijnaldum (Fenerbahce)
      Reply #4: Jul 11, 2018 02:58:55 pm
      Dont believe this, rather dont want to!  :-\

      If we nab Fekir, Jürgen is gonna play a lot of systems that suits each one's personality and also mix-match the group so that they compliment each other effectively.

      Losing a 1st team player in the area where we needed to strengthen before this summer? Nah.. cant see this happening.
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      Re: Gini Wijnaldum (Fenerbahce)
      Reply #5: Jul 11, 2018 03:01:05 pm
      Well competition for places has increased but f he doesn't fancy fighting for his place then he can f off, wrong attitude. I do however think this is complete BS
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      Reply #6: Jul 11, 2018 03:18:19 pm
      Has to be complete and utter bullshit because there hasn't really come in more competition.

      Fabinho for the #6, basically replacing Can who was ahead of Wijnaldum for that position most of the time anyway. That's competition for Henderson. Status quo.

      At the #8's we have Keita, Chamberlain (who is still out injured for 4 months or something?), an aging and injury prone Lallana and Milner who won't be around for much longer and surely isn't ahead of Wijnaldum in the pecking order.

      So basically it's Keita, Chamberlain and Wijnaldum long term, three players for two positions. That's the same amount of competition that he faced this season and I think he played the most minutes of all our midfielders? It's perfectly possible he'll play a bit less, but given the amount of games we're likely to play, that's not even a bad thing, keeping him fresh for the big games in which he excels.

      Just like PM, I think he'll be instrumental this season playing in a number of roles and positions. Klopp loves him.
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      Reply #7: Jul 11, 2018 03:45:59 pm
      Unhappy to be down the pecking order for LFC"s midfield.
      Liverpool given the green light for him to move.
      Would be reunited with his former PSV boss, Philip Cocu.

      Daily Mirror sourced from

      https://www.aspor.com.tr/galeri/fenerbahce/fenerbahceye-georginio-wijnaldumdan-yesil-isik/3

      Would be disappointed to see Gini leave.
      We're hardly overloaded with options either, especially given injury concerns/problems last season.
      Keita & Fabinho signed but Can gone & Chamberlain injured. Lallana injury prone.
      No indication that Gini wouldn't get games this season.
      Maybe that changes if Fekir and Shakiri come in but not before then.
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      Re: Gini Wijnaldum (Fenerbahce)
      Reply #8: Jul 11, 2018 03:53:21 pm
      Rather he stayed, he may be inconsistent but he's still a good option to have. Last thing we want is being short on midfielders again.
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      Reply #9: Jul 11, 2018 04:40:06 pm
      I can understand Gini Wijnaldum would be anxious.
      Henderson first choice at DM at the moment, Fabinho competing and could even take his place.
      Keita attacking midfielder and Ox as central.


        Keita
                               Ox
                Fabinho

      Shaqiri, Keita, Ox, Fabinho, Hendo, Milner .. if Fekir comes then Gini could be pushed back a bit.
      Can't see Lallana going back into any of those positions.
      I do think Gini would be jumping the gun a bit to move, because Milner will retire soon.
      There is no guarentee Shaqiri will fit in and there will be times players will be injured.
      It is possible we are looking at adding more into Midfield and it is not in the press yet.
      « Last Edit: Jul 11, 2018 04:47:42 pm by Ribapuru »
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      Reply #10: Jul 11, 2018 05:04:06 pm
      I like Gini and would be disappointed if he leaves but i understand where he's coming from if he feels playing time will be limited.

      Fabinho and Henderson take the #6 spot so Gini would be fighting for the 2 other midfield spots where we have Keita, Milner, Lallana and Ox already here plus the potential addition of a CAM as it appears we are seriously looking at getting one. That'd be 6 players for 2 midfield spots, and i imagine Keita will take one of those spots permanently, so not a lot of playing time available except for rotation or injury fill in. I can see why that would not sit well with Gini, who at 27yo is at or near his peak years and would want to be playing more frequently.

      Let's hope he stays because he'd be a fantastic depth / sub option to have.
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      Re: Gini Wijnaldum (Fenerbahce)
      Reply #11: Jul 11, 2018 06:12:59 pm
      Doubt it.

      I don’t rate him as highly as others but we can’t be selling players now. Especially after we finally added some depth in the middle.
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      Reply #12: Jul 11, 2018 07:50:05 pm
      Can't see him leaving, looks like he loves it here
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      Reply #13: Jul 11, 2018 08:22:20 pm
      I personally think it's just Turkish journos trying to drum up speculation for players out of the reach of their clubs by linking them to previous coaches.

      I do feel like Gini will still want considerable game time to stay. But I believe he still has three years left on his deal, and I'm quite doubtful anyone is paying 25-30 mil for just a solid mid (after many clubs have already splashed some cash). The only likely candidate would be another top club needing some depth, which would put him in no better position than he's already in.
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      Reply #14: Jul 30, 2018 01:21:11 am
      Don't think he's a great loss. Average at best. If and whoever comes in who's better than Gini,  i would think he won't get much chance to feature in games, thus he has made the right decision.
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      Reply #15: Jul 30, 2018 02:33:28 am
      Don't think he's a great loss. Average at best. If and whoever comes in who's better than Gini,  i would think he won't get much chance to feature in games, thus he has made the right decision.

      He’s not going anywhere.
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      Reply #16: Jul 30, 2018 01:38:11 pm

      Daft to sell Gini, never gets the credit he deserves for the donkey work he puts in..
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      Reply #17: Jul 30, 2018 02:09:33 pm
      gutted if he goes he is another player who is improving under Jürgen's guidance and we are yet to see the best of him.
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      Reply #18: Jul 30, 2018 04:44:20 pm
      No way would we sell. We have lost Can and Ox is out for the season. We needed to bring up our midfield numbers, not lessen them!
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      Reply #19: Jul 30, 2018 05:07:17 pm
      Yeah, I actually would have put him down as 1st choice midfielder in a midfield 3 with Fabinho and Keita. Very shocked at this tbh.

      Nah. Hendo is nailed on IMO. I do want him to stay though with Ox being injured there's no sense in us losing depth.

      Hes not a player that excites me but he can do a good job for the team when called upon.
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      Reply #20: Jul 30, 2018 05:32:23 pm
      Nah. Hendo is nailed on IMO. I do want him to stay though with Ox being injured there's no sense in us losing depth.

      Hes not a player that excites me but he can do a good job for the team when called upon.

      Henderson as nailed on starter, I certainly hope not for the majority of games, assuming Fabinho plays why on earth would we need 2 DM's?
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      Reply #21: Jul 30, 2018 05:57:17 pm
      Henderson as nailed on starter, I certainly hope not for the majority of games, assuming Fabinho plays why on earth would we need 2 DM's?

      Cause Hendo won't play as a dm if Fabinho plays
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      Reply #22: Jul 30, 2018 06:06:33 pm
      Henderson as nailed on starter, I certainly hope not for the majority of games, assuming Fabinho plays why on earth would we need 2 DM's?

      The way I see it, you have to factor in Keita and Fabinho's play style, both like ball to feet, comfortable in tight spaces and like to keep the ball moving. One will be playing as an attacking midfielder, the other a DM, so we can either go for another attacking midfielder/10 (Lallana or Shaqiri) or a box-boxer.

      Hendo, Wjinaldum and Milner are more than capable of playing the box-box role, but I favour Wijnaldum because he is a better  footballer and I feel more compatible with Fabinho and Keita than the others.... on paper.
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      Reply #23: Jul 30, 2018 06:31:56 pm
      Big big Wijnaldum fan - I personally think he’ll have a massive season for us.
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      Reply #24: Jul 30, 2018 07:46:16 pm
      Henderson as nailed on starter, I certainly hope not for the majority of games, assuming Fabinho plays why on earth would we need 2 DM's?

      He is the Captain. Would Klopp not play his Captain when given the chance?
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      Reply #25: Jul 30, 2018 08:15:52 pm
      He is the Captain. Would Klopp not play his Captain when given the chance?

      He will.

      Henderson will easily start 30+ games for us this season.
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      Reply #26: Jul 30, 2018 10:15:35 pm
      He will.

      Henderson will easily start 30+ games for us this season.

      Keita, Henderson and Fabinho the midfield then? Seems the most likely makeup of the midfield.
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      Reply #27: Jul 30, 2018 11:20:39 pm
      Keita, Henderson and Fabinho the midfield then? Seems the most likely makeup of the midfield.

      Then we won't win as there won't be enough creativity in the middle. Henderson is a plodder, a sideway pass specialist plus he is f**king useless at shooting. His only ok'ish position is as DM or defensive minded Cm and we already have better.
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      Reply #28: Jul 30, 2018 11:29:44 pm
      Then we won't win as there won't be enough creativity in the middle. Henderson is a plodder, a sideway pass specialist plus he is f**king useless at shooting. His only ok'ish position is as DM or defensive minded Cm and we already have better.

      Having Keita in midfield is good enough to break down defensive teams imo. Also, Fabinho has an eye for a pass:




      I do like the idea of a 3rd midfielder box-boxer (Hendo, Wijnaldum or Milner) more focused on supporting and pressing.
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      Reply #29: Jul 31, 2018 12:41:52 am
      The way I see it we have a few midfielders. I doubt Hendo will be sacrificed coz he's Ingerlish, so Gini would be most likely given, Keita and him are similar. He does what is right ofr his career, I don't think its personal. Having said that I won't believe he's going until he's gone.
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      Reply #30: Jul 31, 2018 12:58:59 am
      Then we won't win as there won't be enough creativity in the middle. Henderson is a plodder, a sideway pass specialist plus he is f**king useless at shooting. His only ok'ish position is as DM or defensive minded Cm and we already have better.

      Whatever...
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      Reply #31: Jul 31, 2018 03:31:19 am

      Solid contribution as usual. ;-)
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      Reply #32: Jul 31, 2018 01:56:10 pm
      Solid contribution as usual. ;-)

      He's probably just sick of you stroking off the owners at every opportunity, only to turn around and criticize our captain.  Seems ass backwards to me....

      First and foremost, support the players and the manager. 

      You can praise the owners when we start winning trophies on a regular basis again...
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      Reply #33: Jul 31, 2018 02:44:24 pm
      He's probably just sick of you stroking off the owners at every opportunity, only to turn around and criticize our captain.  Seems ass backwards to me....

      First and foremost, support the players and the manager. 

      You can praise the owners when we start winning trophies on a regular basis again...

      No No No, you have it all wrong, I support the CLUB, the entire CLUB, that means I support the owners when they improve the club same as I support players for great performances and a manager for good tactical decisions etc I certainly don't let my prejudices dictate who I can or can't support.
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      Reply #34: Jul 31, 2018 04:54:02 pm
      No No No, you have it all wrong, I support the CLUB, the entire CLUB, that means I support the owners when they improve the club same as I support players for great performances and a manager for good tactical decisions etc I certainly don't let my prejudices dictate who I can or can't support.

      The irony here is that Hendo has won the same number of trophies at Liverpool as FSG.  Yet it is the owners rather than our captain who you choose to praise.  It is blatantly obvious where your loyalties lie mate....
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      Reply #35: Jul 31, 2018 06:19:45 pm
      Yet another thread gone to sh*t over the owners debate.
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      Reply #36: Jul 31, 2018 06:23:46 pm
      Yet another thread gone to sh*t over the owners debate.

      Better get used to it nothing stokes up the plusses quicker than a FSG dick swinging contest.

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      Reply #37: Jul 31, 2018 06:28:57 pm
      The irony here is that Hendo has won the same number of trophies at Liverpool as FSG.  Yet it is the owners rather than our captain who you choose to praise.  It is blatantly obvious where your loyalties lie mate....

      There you are, criticise me, automatic uptick, you're learning. Yes you are right, I don't rate Henderson whereas I think FSG are good owners at the moment.
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      Reply #38: Jul 31, 2018 06:29:36 pm
      Better get used to it nothing stokes up the plusses quicker than a FSG dick swinging contest.



      It is getting ridiculous now though.
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      Reply #39: Jul 31, 2018 06:48:59 pm
      There you are, criticise me, automatic uptick, you're learning. Yes you are right, I don't rate Henderson whereas I think FSG are good owners at the moment.

      I could give a f**k about the +1.  I'd just like to see you support our players as passionately as you do the owners.  Just my opinion though mate. 
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      Reply #40: Jul 31, 2018 07:04:25 pm
      Can't find it at the moment, but Tompkins did an excellent piece about Gini and the work he puts in, basically calling him the unsung hero of the team, who is hugely missed when he's not available.

      I'm not sure I'd put it that strongly, but imo Gini is a very underrated player.
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      Reply #41: Jul 31, 2018 09:31:05 pm
      Can't find it at the moment, but Tompkins did an excellent piece about Gini and the work he puts in, basically calling him the unsung hero of the team, who is hugely missed when he's not available.

      I'm not sure I'd put it that strongly, but imo Gini is a very underrated player.

      Just a tad bit inconsistent. I still rate him, but with the arrival of Keita he has some massive competition, hopefully it will up his game because he is a good player.
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      Reply #42: Jul 31, 2018 10:51:46 pm
      Just a tad bit inconsistent. I still rate him, but with the arrival of Keita he has some massive competition, hopefully it will up his game because he is a good player.

      I see it a bit differently mate.

      Where others see lack of consistency, I see a fella doing the grunt work.
      That's not to say he is 100% consistent, no player is, I just see it differently.

      To put it another way, if I don't notice Gini, he's having a good game.
      I know that sounds counter intuitive, but I want to notice the flair players and the goalscorers.
      If I'm noticing the players who do the dirty work, it means we're under pressure or not playing well.
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      Reply #43: Aug 01, 2018 12:33:30 pm
      Can't find it at the moment, but Tompkins did an excellent piece about Gini and the work he puts in, basically calling him the unsung hero of the team, who is hugely missed when he's not available.

      I'm not sure I'd put it that strongly, but imo Gini is a very underrated player.

      Completely agree mate, underrated player who does a huge amount of work protecting the back four when needed and supporting the attacking midfielders. Not glamorous, but doesn't need to be. If we're going to compete in four major competitions, we should be bending over backwards to keep such a workhorse and versatile player.


      Yes you are right, I don't rate Henderson whereas I think FSG are good owners at the moment.

      Agree with this as well. FSG have slowly grown to be very good owners. World class manager, investment in the stadium, big investment on players and back in CL with a squad capable of challenging for title. I'm sorry that people are bothered about not having sheikh billionaires, we can't have it all, but I'm quite happy at the moment. Hendo however, has had years to prove himself. He's a good player and a decent lad with great attitude to work rate, but he's just not good enough to play for what is a higher quality team now. Would happily keep him as a squad player, but with Keita, Fabinho, Ox to come back and Gini...I wouldn't give him much starting 11 opportunities this season.
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      Reply #44: Aug 07, 2018 08:31:16 pm
      Way Gini has performed this pre season, would be highly surprised and dissapointed if we sold him.
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      Reply #45: Aug 07, 2018 09:13:22 pm
      Absolutely love players like him who are incredibly skilful but sacrifice this for the team he works his nuts off and like Henderson does the job the manager asks him to do .  To have players like Mo and Bobby in the team you need Gini and Hendo to do the dirty work without them you cant have Mo or Bobby.
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      Re: Gini Wijnaldum (Fenerbahce)
      Reply #46: Aug 07, 2018 09:37:00 pm
      I reckon he will start the game at the weekend and that's fine by me.
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      Reply #47: Aug 07, 2018 10:05:53 pm
      There you are, criticise me, automatic uptick, you're learning. Yes you are right, I don't rate Henderson whereas I think FSG are good owners at the moment.

      Well good for you, I rate Hendo so where does that fit with you, it's all about opinions mate you have one, and everyone else has one. Get it, good, move on.
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      Reply #48: Aug 07, 2018 11:55:56 pm
      The irony here is that Hendo has won the same number of trophies at Liverpool as FSG.  Yet it is the owners rather than our captain who you choose to praise.  It is blatantly obvious where your loyalties lie mate....
      sh*t post.
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      Re: Gini Wijnaldum (Fenerbahce)
      Reply #49: Aug 08, 2018 02:25:46 am
      I like Wijnaldum, always have done, when he's on his game then he bosses that midfield but literally the very next game he will be a ghost, a complete passenger, and we might as well be playing with 10 men. There's no consistency with him.

      And like I've been saying in other threads, it's consistency that seperates you from being a great plauer to a good one and it's consistency that wins you titles.

      For that reason I no longer want him in the first 11 but I don't want him to leave either. He is the perfect replacement for when Keita doesn't play.

       
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      Re: Gini Wijnaldum (Fenerbahce)
      Reply #50: Aug 08, 2018 07:02:59 pm
      I like Wijnaldum, always have done, when he's on his game then he bosses that midfield but literally the very next game he will be a ghost, a complete passenger, and we might as well be playing with 10 men. There's no consistency with him.

      And like I've been saying in other threads, it's consistency that seperates you from being a great plauer to a good one and it's consistency that wins you titles.

      For that reason I no longer want him in the first 11 but I don't want him to leave either. He is the perfect replacement for when Keita doesn't play.

      Yeah he's still a bit of an enigma is Gini. Some games great, other games he disappears. Does seem to be a real home and away thing with him too. Not just goals but his overall performances seem better at home.

      It's worth remembering he was practically a winger or an AM when we signed him. At home he gets to attack more, get into the box and play to his strengths. He's maybe still feeling his way into the more conservative CM role Jürgen has given him. I think he's a decent player and I want to keep him. Kind of feel there is more to come from him.
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      Re: Gini Wijnaldum (Fenerbahce)
      Reply #51: Aug 08, 2018 10:03:11 pm
      Smashing player and a huge part of our squad.

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