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      Improving Midfield - how will it set up?
      Aug 01, 2018 06:06:42 pm
      I like to think our midfield will be functioning than malfunctioning this season. And with our front 3 (Salah, Mane & Firmino) and back 5 (Alisson, Robertson, TAA, Lovren & VVD) choices most likely to be the same, I have a feeling midfield will be the most discussed area on the field.

      Henderson, Fabinho, Keita, Lallana, Wijnaldum, Milner & maybe Shaqiri are pretty much the players available for midfield selection, so I am really curious to know what midfield set up, roles and combination you guys want to see?

      For me, the hub player is the key area that determines how the midfield/team plays, and having Fabinho there , we will have a calming/controlling influence, but slower tempo than last season. So the way I see it, the emphasis will be more so on footballing abilities , and this is where I feel the likes of, Keita, Lallana, Wijnaldum and Shaqiri will thrive.

      I can also see the arguments for Hendo & Milner , especially in the traditional box-box role where they offer more directness (off the ball running and long balls), yet still keep that high octane aggressive pressing that Wijnaldum or Lallana offers.

      However, what happens if Hendo plays #6 instead of Fabinho? With the likes of, Keita, Lallana & Shaqiri in front of him, does he need to change his game a bit and use our midfielders more often than how he would usually play where he was more prone to passing wide and behind?

      How do you guys see it?!
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      Reply #1: Aug 01, 2018 06:11:41 pm
      I like to think our midfield will be functioning than malfunctioning this season. And with our front 3 (Salah, Mane & Firmino) and back 5 (Alisson, Robertson, TAA, Lovren & VVD) choices most likely to be the same, I have a feeling midfield will be the most discussed area on the field.

      Henderson, Fabinho, Keita, Lallana, Wijnaldum, Milner & maybe Shaqiri are pretty much the players available for midfield selection, so I am really curious to know what midfield set up, roles and combination you guys want to see?

      For me, the hub player is the key area that determines how the midfield/team plays, and having Fabinho there , we will have a calming/controlling influence, but slower tempo than last season. So the way I see it, the emphasis will be more so on footballing abilities , and this is where I feel the likes of, Keita, Lallana, Wijnaldum and Shaqiri will thrive.

      I can also see the arguments for Hendo & Milner , especially in the traditional box-box role where they offer more directness (off the ball running and long balls), yet still keep that high octane aggressive pressing that Wijnaldum or Lallana offers.

      However, what happens if Hendo plays #6 instead of Fabinho? With the likes of, Keita, Lallana & Shaqiri in front of him, does he need to change his game a bit and use our midfielders more often than how he would usually play where he was more prone to passing wide and behind?

      How do you guys see it?!

      Reckon first choice will be fabinho keita and lallana
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      Reply #2: Aug 01, 2018 06:15:13 pm
      Be interesting to see how people interpret fabinho's role and the way he plays to the way Henderson did/does. Will he get the same level of criticism if he plays a five yard square ball
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      Reply #3: Aug 01, 2018 06:53:59 pm
      Be interesting to see how people interpret fabinho's role and the way he plays to the way Henderson did/does. Will he get the same level of criticism if he plays a five yard square ball

      In the World cup Henderson would keep possession with the short pass as opposed to being a bit more ambitious, then he wouldn't look for the return, wouldn't try to find a bit of space to take a pass with the intention of playing a telling pass. In short he just doesn't take charge. He doesn't try to stamp his game on the play, always seems to be happy to be on the peripheral of the action.

      It's not necessarily his short game, it's his overall lack of ambition on the ball. He puts in a shift but it's nearly always a average at best shift. I've backed him often enough but it's starting to wear a little bit thin. If we don't see a lot more intention to impose himself on the play, be more positive, more ambition this season then I think he will lose his place. He didn't have a 100% guaranteed start last season and I think Klopp has put a question mark against his name. Step up Hendo..or step aside.
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      Reply #4: Aug 01, 2018 06:58:55 pm
      In the World cup Henderson would keep possession with the short pass as opposed to being a bit more ambitious, then he wouldn't look for the return, wouldn't try to find a bit of space to take a pass with the intention of playing a telling pass. In short he just doesn't take charge. He doesn't try to stamp his game on the play, always seems to be happy to be on the peripheral of the action.

      It's not necessarily his short game, it's his overall lack of ambition on the ball. He puts in a shift but it's nearly always a average at best shift. I've backed him often enough but it's starting to wear a little bit thin. If we don't see a lot more intention to impose himself on the play, be more positive, more ambition this season then I think he will lose his place. He didn't have a 100% guaranteed start last season and I think Klopp has put a question mark against his name. Step up Hendo..or step aside.

      I bet Henderson, barring injury, starts at least 30 Premier League matches this season.
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      Reply #5: Aug 01, 2018 07:03:29 pm
      I bet Henderson, barring injury, starts at least 30 Premier League matches this season.


      Perhaps, but the question is, as a #6 or #8?
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      Reply #6: Aug 01, 2018 07:03:34 pm
      I bet Henderson, barring injury, starts at least 30 Premier League matches this season.

      Your on... I'll go 25-28....maybe less...so I'll give you a spread of 3...injuries void the bet...the stake...er..bag of sprouts...or whatever..

      me....25-28

      you...30-33...........you did say " at least 30"...
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      Reply #7: Aug 01, 2018 07:11:32 pm
      Your on... I'll go 25-28....maybe less...so I'll give you a spread of 3...injuries void the bet...the stake...er..bag of sprouts...or whatever..

      me....25-28

      you...30-33...........you did say " at least 30"...

      I'm up against it taking into account that Can has done a runner and Alex is injured so Hendo could well play 28-33...which would knock me out but I'll stick with the 25-28 prediction.
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      Reply #8: Aug 01, 2018 07:18:31 pm
      I'm up against it taking into account that Can has done a runner and Alex is injured so Hendo could well play 28-33...which would knock me out but I'll stick with the 25-28 prediction.

      Not a bad bet considering there is a very good chance he doesn't play the first 4 matches.
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      Reply #9: Aug 01, 2018 07:23:13 pm
      Be interesting to see how people interpret fabinho's role and the way he plays to the way Henderson did/does. Will he get the same level of criticism if he plays a five yard square ball

      Apparently, he already has his critics.

      Read a few that don't rate him because he is too slow and lethargic in his passing  :confused-smiley-013:

      I have a feeling the people who didn't rate Lucas and thought he was sh*t could possibly dislike Fabinho's play style.
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      Reply #10: Aug 01, 2018 07:41:16 pm
      Apparently, he already has his critics.

      Read a few that don't rate him because he is too slow and lethargic in his passing  :confused-smiley-013:

      I have a feeling the people who didn't rate Lucas and thought he was sh*t could possibly dislike Fabinho's play style.

      Does appear to be a pattern
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      Reply #11: Aug 01, 2018 07:44:13 pm
      In the World cup Henderson would keep possession with the short pass as opposed to being a bit more ambitious, then he wouldn't look for the return, wouldn't try to find a bit of space to take a pass with the intention of playing a telling pass. In short he just doesn't take charge. He doesn't try to stamp his game on the play, always seems to be happy to be on the peripheral of the action.

      It's not necessarily his short game, it's his overall lack of ambition on the ball. He puts in a shift but it's nearly always a average at best shift. I've backed him often enough but it's starting to wear a little bit thin. If we don't see a lot more intention to impose himself on the play, be more positive, more ambition this season then I think he will lose his place. He didn't have a 100% guaranteed start last season and I think Klopp has put a question mark against his name. Step up Hendo..or step aside.

      Thought at times his passing was very progressive in the world cup
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      Reply #12: Aug 02, 2018 04:06:13 am
      Your on... I'll go 25-28....maybe less...so I'll give you a spread of 3...injuries void the bet...the stake...er..bag of sprouts...or whatever..

      me....25-28

      you...30-33...........you did say " at least 30"...

      As I said 30, it should be 30 and above for me, barring being unavailable for injury. You can have anything from 29 and below.
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      Reply #13: Aug 02, 2018 05:38:17 am
      I like to think our midfield will be functioning than malfunctioning this season. And with our front 3 (Salah, Mane & Firmino) and back 5 (Alisson, Robertson, TAA, Lovren & VVD) choices most likely to be the same, I have a feeling midfield will be the most discussed area on the field.

      Henderson, Fabinho, Keita, Lallana, Wijnaldum, Milner & maybe Shaqiri are pretty much the players available for midfield selection, so I am really curious to know what midfield set up, roles and combination you guys want to see?

      For me, the hub player is the key area that determines how the midfield/team plays, and having Fabinho there , we will have a calming/controlling influence, but slower tempo than last season. So the way I see it, the emphasis will be more so on footballing abilities , and this is where I feel the likes of, Keita, Lallana, Wijnaldum and Shaqiri will thrive.

      I can also see the arguments for Hendo & Milner , especially in the traditional box-box role where they offer more directness (off the ball running and long balls), yet still keep that high octane aggressive pressing that Wijnaldum or Lallana offers.

      However, what happens if Hendo plays #6 instead of Fabinho? With the likes of, Keita, Lallana & Shaqiri in front of him, does he need to change his game a bit and use our midfielders more often than how he would usually play where he was more prone to passing wide and behind?

      How do you guys see it?!

      Those options give us a massive amount of unpredictability in the middle of the park where as especially towards the back end of the season every man and his dog knew what kind of playstyle/performance we'd get out of a three of Hendo/Milner/Wijnaldum for example.

      A lot of horses for courses to come this season and quite a few midfield setups out of left field to catch teams off guard I feel. Very exciting times to be a red this season.
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      Reply #14: Aug 02, 2018 11:05:22 am
      In the World cup Henderson would keep possession with the short pass as opposed to being a bit more ambitious, then he wouldn't look for the return, wouldn't try to find a bit of space to take a pass with the intention of playing a telling pass. In short he just doesn't take charge. He doesn't try to stamp his game on the play, always seems to be happy to be on the peripheral of the action.

      It's not necessarily his short game, it's his overall lack of ambition on the ball. He puts in a shift but it's nearly always a average at best shift. I've backed him often enough but it's starting to wear a little bit thin. If we don't see a lot more intention to impose himself on the play, be more positive, more ambition this season then I think he will lose his place. He didn't have a 100% guaranteed start last season and I think Klopp has put a question mark against his name. Step up Hendo..or step aside.

      This.
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      Reply #15: Aug 02, 2018 12:25:04 pm
      Apparently, he already has his critics.

      Read a few that don't rate him because he is too slow and lethargic in his passing  :confused-smiley-013:

      I have a feeling the people who didn't rate Lucas and thought he was sh*t could possibly dislike Fabinho's play style.

      Personally I haven’t actually seen anything negative being said about him. Ultimately some people will just never be happy and always find something to moan about, think Fabinho is just the unlucky one it’s fallen on. But like I say, I haven’t seen anything negative said yet.
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      Reply #16: Aug 02, 2018 12:40:20 pm
      I bet Henderson, barring injury, starts at least 30 Premier League matches this season.


      Agree and said similar a few days back although I went 30+ games.

      I think those that thought Fabinho would put an end to Henderson are going to be a bit disappointed.
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      Reply #17: Aug 02, 2018 12:44:41 pm
      Agree and said similar a few days back although I went 30+ games.

      I think those that thought Fabinho would put an end to Henderson are going to be a bit disappointed.

      There's a reason so many managers, including Klopp, have Henderson as one of the first names on the team sheet.

      It seems fashionable to slag the lad off, just as it was with Lucas a few years back.
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      Reply #18: Aug 02, 2018 06:29:45 pm
      I think given the options we have, all over the pitch, we'll be unlikely to see any particular nailed on 11. Some critics will call it rotation, some will say it's Klopp not knowing his best side, some will praise it for using the entire squad, some will praise it just because it's Klopp picking the side.

      But I think this year we're more likely to see us change formations more frequently. I can see us trying the three centre halves and two wing backs a bit more. I can see us playing two traditional central midfielders behind three "attacking" midfielders behind a lone forward a bit more - especially given the way Sturridge has performed in pre-season. As well as sticking with the 4-3-3 we played with last season that towards the end of the year teams were somewhat sussing out.

      So I can't really say who or what I think Klopp will go with predominantly as I think it's going to be ever changing over the course of the season, especially early on as people get up to speed in terms of fitness and what is expected of them from the manager. What I will say though, is the midfield three I think Klopp will trust in the biggest games will be Keita, Fabinho and Henderson.
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      Reply #19: Aug 02, 2018 06:36:12 pm
      We will at last have or Jürgen will have the chance change players to suite the opposition and that's such a bonus this year. Its going to be exciting to watch how the different midfield players are used and how destructive to the opposition they are going to be.
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      Reply #20: Aug 02, 2018 06:37:02 pm
      I think given the options we have, all over the pitch, we'll be unlikely to see any particular nailed on 11. Some critics will call it rotation, some will say it's Klopp not knowing his best side, some will praise it for using the entire squad, some will praise it just because it's Klopp picking the side.

      But I think this year we're more likely to see us change formations more frequently. I can see us trying the three centre halves and two wing backs a bit more. I can see us playing two traditional central midfielders behind three "attacking" midfielders behind a lone forward a bit more - especially given the way Sturridge has performed in pre-season. As well as sticking with the 4-3-3 we played with last season that towards the end of the year teams were somewhat sussing out.

      So I can't really say who or what I think Klopp will go with predominantly as I think it's going to be ever changing over the course of the season, especially early on as people get up to speed in terms of fitness and what is expected of them from the manager. What I will say though, is the midfield three I think Klopp will trust in the biggest games will be Keita, Fabinho and Henderson.

      Pretty much how I see it Billy.

      The squad now gives Jürgen a lot more flexibility both in terms of personnel and formations.

      Like you I think the most used combination will be Fabinho, Keita and Henderson.
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      Reply #21: Aug 02, 2018 11:03:13 pm
      Likely to be some degree of rotation for the 12 games Keita will likely be suspended for this season.

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      Reply #22: Aug 03, 2018 02:45:59 am
      Changing formations, systems, players every week won't win you a league title. Consistency does.

      We will be playing 4-3-3 every week with the same 11 more or less but will swap and change a couple of players to keep things fresh every now and then, particularly when we have a hectic schedule.

      The midfield three picks itself for me. Fabinho, Keita and Lallana. You have a 6, an 8 and a 10 there. It's got the best balance.

      Putting Henderson into the team only disrupts it. We will then have two 6's and an 8. People who say Henderson is an 8 are just kidding themselves and believe me, you'll see the difference when you watch Keita play this season. Henderson is nowhere near that level.

      Even if his supporters say im wrong and continue saying how great he is as an 8, the midfield is still unbalanced. You then have a 6 and two 8s.  And don't start me on Keita playing as the 10. You're kidding yourselves with that one as well.

      I mentioned it a day or so ago in another thread but it all comes down to whether klopp has the bottle to take Henderson out of the team. I think that if we are going to progress further then he has to. Id have given the armband to Virgil by now and I'd have told Jordan he is a squad player.

      It hasn't happened (yet) so I can only presume Henderson is still our captain and that he will therefore be the first name on our team sheet. It doesn't make sense to me and if that is actually the case then I worry we will lack creativity from the middle of the park in certain games next season.
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      Reply #23: Aug 03, 2018 01:33:39 pm
      Changing formations, systems, players every week won't win you a league title. Consistency does.

      We will be playing 4-3-3 every week with the same 11 more or less but will swap and change a couple of players to keep things fresh every now and then, particularly when we have a hectic schedule.

      The midfield three picks itself for me. Fabinho, Keita and Lallana. You have a 6, an 8 and a 10 there. It's got the best balance.

      Putting Henderson into the team only disrupts it. We will then have two 6's and an 8. People who say Henderson is an 8 are just kidding themselves and believe me, you'll see the difference when you watch Keita play this season. Henderson is nowhere near that level.

      Even if his supporters say im wrong and continue saying how great he is as an 8, the midfield is still unbalanced. You then have a 6 and two 8s.  And don't start me on Keita playing as the 10. You're kidding yourselves with that one as well.

      I mentioned it a day or so ago in another thread but it all comes down to whether klopp has the bottle to take Henderson out of the team. I think that if we are going to progress further then he has to. Id have given the armband to Virgil by now and I'd have told Jordan he is a squad player.

      It hasn't happened (yet) so I can only presume Henderson is still our captain and that he will therefore be the first name on our team sheet. It doesn't make sense to me and if that is actually the case then I worry we will lack creativity from the middle of the park in certain games next season.


      It depends if the players are comfortable in changing positions and know all their roles, if they do then it gives you one hell of a weapon as the opposition will not have a clue how to set up against you.
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      Reply #24: Aug 03, 2018 01:40:42 pm
      Think there is the option there to set up across either 4-3-3 or 4-2-2-2.

      Strongest players available probably 4-2-2-2.

      NB: Team no longer available
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      Reply #25: Aug 03, 2018 02:05:49 pm
      Putting Henderson into the team only disrupts it. We will then have two 6's and an 8. People who say Henderson is an 8 are just kidding themselves and believe me, you'll see the difference when you watch Keita play this season. Henderson is nowhere near that level.

      Even if his supporters say im wrong and continue saying how great he is as an 8, the midfield is still unbalanced. You then have a 6 and two 8s.  And don't start me on Keita playing as the 10. You're kidding yourselves with that one as well.

      I disagree. Hendo has a lot more to offer than you think; not in terms of footballing abilities, but more so the athletic side. Having Fabinho, Keita next to him and Hendo as the #8, there would be less emphasis on the ball and more on the grunt work where he is exceptional/world class at.

      For the 6, 8, 8 setup being unbalanced, I really don't see it? Keita will be more creative, Wijnaldum/Hendo/Milner will be more industrial and Fabinho more controlling.

      As for Keita playing the #10 role, he is more than capable of playing there to high levels, but I do agree with your previous post on him best suited in a double pivot/deeper midfield role.
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      Reply #26: Aug 03, 2018 02:48:46 pm
      Think there is the option there to set up across either 4-3-3 or 4-2-2-2.
      Strongest players available probably 4-2-2-2.
      NB: Team no longer available

      Agree re the shape. I still think Shaquiri is cover for the wings rather than a starter though. I personally would probably switch Shaq for Studge and move Mo back out wide.

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      Reply #27: Aug 03, 2018 02:52:18 pm
      Agree re the shape. I still think Shaquiri is cover for the wings rather than a starter though. I personally would probably switch Shaq for Studge and move Mo back out wide.



      If Shaqiri doesn't start then it's 4-3-3 with Milner or Wijnaldum in the midfield.
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      Reply #28: Aug 03, 2018 02:56:21 pm
      Lallana will start before either of them, but I'm not delighted about it. Would rather 4-3-3 with Shaq at the 10.
      I honestly don't see where Milly's role is this season other than a "hole filler". He was immense last season as probably deserves better, but just cant see where he fits anymore with so much depth (as I can't see Jordan getting dropped).
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      Reply #29: Aug 03, 2018 02:58:51 pm
      Think there is the option there to set up across either 4-3-3 or 4-2-2-2.

      Strongest players available probably 4-2-2-2.

      NB: Team no longer available

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