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      Re: Improving Midfield - how will it set up?
      Reply #120: Nov 08, 2018 12:24:55 am
      Is our defence looked better than they are because of the midfielders whom are tracking back at the instruction of  klopp to defend deep while isolating  the offensive trio? Well, it appears to be so to me. We are scoring far less and also conceding far less at the moment.  It defies all logic that we are devastating in attack not too long ago and now we struggle to attack properly. So, we have probably played into the opposition hands, we defended deep, the opposition defence pushes up and man mark Salah, Mane and Firminho. Well, that appears to me that is what happening at the moment.
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      Reply #121: Nov 08, 2018 10:39:41 am
      January will tell us eventually what Jürgen is really thinking about his midfield. He has some options on paper: Keita, Ox, Shaq, Fekir/Paqueta or leave it with Milner-Gini-Hendo/Fab. So whatever he does will tell us what option he prefers.

      Mate IMO the way Naby never stay fit and play regularly is the biggest shock effect even on Jürgen. This and put together Fabinho take such a long time to settle make thing even worse for him. I think the way he reluctant to put Shaq into the 10 instead of force Booby to play there and omit Shaq is the worst mistake he did so far.  No not I' know better than Klopp but hopefully he change his mind before it's too late.

      Agree with you that I also want to see what Klopp going to do with our midfield in January.  I just fear of Klopp stubbornness and his persistence with players he believe he can improve them, reluctant to get replacement.

      BTW how can you imagine we can get that boy Paqueta directly from Brazil, I don't think it's possible.
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      Reply #122: Nov 08, 2018 04:00:52 pm
      January will tell us eventually what Jürgen is really thinking about his midfield. He has some options on paper: Keita, Ox, Shaq, Fekir/Paqueta or leave it with Milner-Gini-Hendo/Fab. So whatever he does will tell us what option he prefers.
      Press reporting that both Chelsea and Bayern are showing interest in Fekir...

      Chelsea and Bayern Munich are interested in Lyon's 25-year-old playmaker Nabil Fekir, who has told the French club he wants to leave next summer.

      https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/741131/Chelsea-transfer-news-Nabil-Fekir-pushing-for-summer-move-Blues-to-battle-with-Bayern
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      Re: Improving Midfield - how will it set up?
      Reply #123: Nov 08, 2018 04:30:10 pm
      Press reporting that both Chelsea and Bayern are showing interest in Fekir...

      Chelsea and Bayern Munich are interested in Lyon's 25-year-old playmaker Nabil Fekir, who has told the French club he wants to leave next summer.

      https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/741131/Chelsea-transfer-news-Nabil-Fekir-pushing-for-summer-move-Blues-to-battle-with-Bayern

      Old news rehashed...
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      Re: Improving Midfield - how will it set up?
      Reply #124: Nov 08, 2018 06:01:05 pm
      as far as Liverpool is concerned Fekir is fecked.
      We haven't see what his new signings can do yet and I guess it would be a good time for them to show us why we paid good money for them
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      Reply #125: Nov 08, 2018 06:27:48 pm
      As much as the midfield does need a shake up the good majority sticking the boot have also given the front three a green pass for their own form which is way below the standards they set last year. The midfield copping the majority of blame for it though.
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      Reply #126: Nov 08, 2018 11:26:15 pm
      The trouble we have is that our midfield has been a problem for quite some time. The reason we didn't notice it that much is that we were all focused on the ineptitude of Lovren, Moreno and Karius. Now that Klopp has remedied that situation it has highlighted the issue even more.

      The loss of Oxlade, the injuries of Keita, Henderson and the slow adaptation of Fabinho have just made a bad situation worse.

      At the moment it's like having a golf bag full of 6 irons and nothing else.
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      Reply #127: Nov 29, 2018 04:18:03 pm
      Posters have mentioned that the trio of Milner, Henderson and  Milner got us to the CL league final last season but seem to have forgotten the contribution of Coutinho, Can and Ox who all contributed with goals.
      How many of the current 3 contributed with goals from open play last season, same story his season

      We saw the outcome in the final and maybe its a bit harsh because the likes of Kroos and Modric have run rings around better players than our 3 but if that is what we are aspiring to get to ie eating at the top table not just looking at the menu then the likes of Henderson and Milner need to be relegated to squad player status.
      I mean Milner was at City for so many years and had a bit part yet he is one of our main midfielders, City have gone up a level since Milner left and we are expected to compete against them!

      Before posters jump on me Im not saying bin them but they need to be used to plug the gaps during a season.

      For what ever reason Klopp doesn't seem to trust Fab and Keita and for me until they start playing regularly (until Ox is back at least) we can forget about competing for any trophies.
      Hopefully he has seen enough and I think he intimated last night at the gaps that were left in midfield in the first half and he will start trusting the new boys more to integrate them quicker.

      For me Milner and Henderson just don't have the technique to play in the middle of the pitch esp against teams who press intensely, Milner will drift wide to find space and Henderson will drop deep to find space and time leaving a huge hole in the middle of the pitch which Gini alone can not cover - saw this last night with PSG just poring through onto the back line.

      We now have a world class attack , admittedly starved of the ball and a world class defence but the midfield....... can anyone honestly say is anywhere near good enough to win trophies?
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      Reply #128: Nov 29, 2018 04:22:41 pm
      Sooner or later klopp will have to trust his new signings.

      Midfield was a position we went big on in the summer so it's time to see what we've bought.
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      Reply #129: Nov 29, 2018 04:27:14 pm
      Posters have mentioned that the trio of Milner, Henderson and  Milner got us to the CL league final last season but seem to have forgotten the contribution of Coutinho, Can and Ox who all contributed with goals.
      How many of the current 3 contributed with goals from open play last season, same story his season

      We saw the outcome in the final and maybe its a bit harsh because the likes of Kroos and Modric have run rings around better players than our 3 but if that is what we are aspiring to get to ie eating at the top table not just looking at the menu then the likes of Henderson and Milner need to be relegated to squad player status.
      I mean Milner was at City for so many years and had a bit part yet he is one of our main midfielders, City have gone up a level since Milner left and we are expected to compete against them!

      Before posters jump on me Im not saying bin them but they need to be used to plug the gaps during a season.

      For what ever reason Klopp doesn't seem to trust Fab and Keita and for me until they start playing regularly (until Ox is back at least) we can forget about competing for any trophies.
      Hopefully he has seen enough and I think he intimated last night at the gaps that were left in midfield in the first half and he will start trusting the new boys more to integrate them quicker.

      For me Milner and Henderson just don't have the technique to play in the middle of the pitch esp against teams who press intensely, Milner will drift wide to find space and Henderson will drop deep to find space and time leaving a huge hole in the middle of the pitch which Gini alone can not cover - saw this last night with PSG just poring through onto the back line.

      We now have a world class attack , admittedly starved of the ball and a world class defence but the midfield....... can anyone honestly say is anywhere near good enough to win trophies?

      Last night the front three were given plenty of chances to do something and failed - Remember the three on two with Salah on the ball and it was intercepted, also a number of other times there was a chance to put in a quality delivery and no one could do it

      The constant finger pointing at the guys in the middle are allowing the front three a free pass when they are poor , the immediate excuse is they are poor because they don’t get the ball from the middle- sorry but nonsense , they have had plenty of the ball in threatening areas but have on a number of times gone for the wrong option

      But the fingers will continue to be pointed at the midfield and the front three given a get out clause
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      Reply #130: Nov 29, 2018 04:33:18 pm
      Last night the front three were given plenty of chances to do something and failed - Remember the three on two with Salah on the ball and it was intercepted, also a number of other times there was a chance to put in a quality delivery and no one could do it

      The constant finger pointing at the guys in the middle are allowing the front three a free pass when they are poor , the immediate excuse is they are poor because they don’t get the ball from the middle- sorry but nonsense , they have had plenty of the ball in threatening areas but have on a number of times gone for the wrong option

      But the fingers will continue to be pointed at the midfield and the front three given a get out clause

      No point getting the ball with 2-3 players on your back or with your back to goal from a lofted pass from midfield!

      Sorry but eventually the midfield have to contribute you cant keep relying on magic from the front 3 because guess what the opposition have wised up and are doubling up on the front 3 knowing full well the midfield have zero creativity.

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      Reply #131: Nov 29, 2018 04:38:16 pm
      Drop hendo . That's the answer
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      Reply #132: Nov 29, 2018 04:45:17 pm

      Ah then the question must be what’s Molby’s Belly been hopping on all f***in’ day then.....🤔
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      Reply #133: Nov 30, 2018 11:39:46 pm
      Not a popular opinion no doubt but personally emre can on a good day is the sort of driving player that would benefit the team now
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      Reply #134: Nov 30, 2018 11:47:49 pm
      Not a popular opinion no doubt but personally emre can on a good day is the sort of driving player that would benefit the team now

      This is exactly what I hope Keita can give us, and to a lesser extent, Fabinho.

      I've seen Henderson do a lot of it when he wasn't playing as 6, but it seems Klopp wants him there, although I can see Fabinho playing 6 (and Wijnaldum) and Henderson playing further up.

      When the new lads are settled and Ox is back, I think we have a lot of running options.
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      Reply #135: Nov 30, 2018 11:51:14 pm
      Not a popular opinion no doubt but personally emre can on a good day is the sort of driving player that would benefit the team now

      Fair point.  At his best, Emre can have a massive impact on games.  However, his best only came like 1 in 10 games.  Most games he was anonymous at best, or down right abysmal at worst.  We are desperately missing Chamberlain.  Even a pre-injury Lallana (think 15/16) would be a massive improvement.  Keita might develop into a player who can fill this role, but right now our options aren't great.  Which is why we see Klopp tend to default to the boring, occasionally frustrating, yet typically functional trio of Gini, Hendo, and Milner.
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      Reply #136: Dec 01, 2018 12:43:18 am
      Keita seems like the only possible chance to enhance our midfield. I'd give him every minute from now on to speed up his integration. Gini - Milner- Keita should be alright, later Gini/Fab - Ox - Keita should be even better. A lot depends on the prospect of Ox to get to his old shape. Lallana didn't and Adam didn't have the blow Ox had, so I'm concerned.

      Jürgen has to recognize that this team looks better than it is. That's half the work. But if he refuses, this team will fold bigtime very soon. Again, Liverpool's January activity will tell us what Jürgen really thinks about his midfield.
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      Reply #137: Dec 01, 2018 12:52:36 am
      Keita seems like the only possible chance to enhance our midfield. I'd give him every minute from now on to speed up his integration. Gini - Milner- Keita should be alright, later Gini/Fab - Ox - Keita should be even better. A lot depends on the prospect of Ox to get to his old shape. Lallana didn't and Adam didn't have the blow Ox had, so I'm concerned.

      Jürgen has to recognize that this team looks better than it is. That's half the work. But if he refuses, this team will fold bigtime very soon. Again, Liverpool's January activity will tell us what Jürgen really thinks about his midfield.

      Stop posting as though you are a supreme authority over Klopp. It's f**king embarrassing!
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      Reply #138: Dec 01, 2018 06:06:25 am
      Interesting article about or midfield that will leave plenty of people with something to chew over about Henderson and our midfield generally;

      https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/nov/29/liverpool-paris-st-germain-champions-league

      Apologies, after all these years on the forum I still don’t know how to post the full article from my phone :D

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      Reply #139: Dec 01, 2018 10:57:48 am
      Ah then the question must be what’s Molby’s Belly been hopping on all f***in’ day then.....🤔

      What's your problem mate ?
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      Reply #140: Dec 01, 2018 11:07:38 am

      I’m peachy mate.

      Was bored as f**k with you posting “Hendo sh*te”; “bin off Hendo” every 10 mins all over the ship on Thu.......

      But hey - tensions always high after a sh*t performance and we all move on ;)
      « Last Edit: Dec 01, 2018 11:14:26 am by Scotia »
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      Reply #141: Dec 01, 2018 11:59:34 am
      Interesting article about or midfield that will leave plenty of people with something to chew over about Henderson and our midfield generally;

      https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/nov/29/liverpool-paris-st-germain-champions-league

      Apologies, after all these years on the forum I still don’t know how to post the full article from my phone :D


      As is expected this rag lays out a relentless critique of almost every aspect of LFC's performance, the manager is not exempt of course.
      No mention of the blatant cheating by a number of the PSG players or the atrocious officiating.
      We were outplayed by probably the best and most expensive side in Europe if not the world but the one goal winning margin suggests this Guardian "reporter" is talking out of his arse.

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      Reply #142: Dec 01, 2018 12:29:20 pm
      I’m peachy mate.

      Was bored as f**k with you posting “Hendo sh*te”; “bin off Hendo” every 10 mins all over the ship on Thu.......

      But hey - tensions always high after a sh*t performance and we all move on ;)

      No worries mate . My views on him are still the same tho ;D
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      Reply #143: Dec 01, 2018 12:29:31 pm
      Interesting article about or midfield that will leave plenty of people with something to chew over about Henderson and our midfield generally;

      https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/nov/29/liverpool-paris-st-germain-champions-league

      Apologies, after all these years on the forum I still don’t know how to post the full article from my phone :D

      I read this on thurs, and pretty much dismissed it, simply because our most dynamic play last season came when we had the midfield runner I keep banging on about, and he doesn't even give this a mention until the very end, when to me it is the crux of the problem.
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      Reply #144: Dec 01, 2018 12:37:00 pm
      No worries mate . My views on him are still the same tho ;D

      And well you’re entitled to them........maybe ration yourself to 20 times a day after a loss though eh 😜
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      Reply #145: Dec 01, 2018 01:14:02 pm
      And well you’re entitled to them........maybe ration yourself to 20 times a day after a loss though eh 😜

      Lol
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      Reply #146: Dec 01, 2018 01:45:15 pm
      Posters have mentioned that the trio of Milner, Henderson and  Milner got us to the CL league final last season but seem to have forgotten the contribution of Coutinho, Can and Ox who all contributed with goals.
      How many of the current 3 contributed with goals from open play last season, same story his season

      We saw the outcome in the final and maybe its a bit harsh because the likes of Kroos and Modric have run rings around better players than our 3 but if that is what we are aspiring to get to ie eating at the top table not just looking at the menu then the likes of Henderson and Milner need to be relegated to squad player status.
      I mean Milner was at City for so many years and had a bit part yet he is one of our main midfielders, City have gone up a level since Milner left and we are expected to compete against them!


      Before posters jump on me Im not saying bin them but they need to be used to plug the gaps during a season.

      For what ever reason Klopp doesn't seem to trust Fab and Keita and for me until they start playing regularly (until Ox is back at least) we can forget about competing for any trophies.
      Hopefully he has seen enough and I think he intimated last night at the gaps that were left in midfield in the first half and he will start trusting the new boys more to integrate them quicker.

      For me Milner and Henderson just don't have the technique to play in the middle of the pitch esp against teams who press intensely, Milner will drift wide to find space and Henderson will drop deep to find space and time leaving a huge hole in the middle of the pitch which Gini alone can not cover - saw this last night with PSG just poring through onto the back line.

      We now have a world class attack , admittedly starved of the ball and a world class defence but the midfield....... can anyone honestly say is anywhere near good enough to win trophies?
      ^^^^^^^
      THIS ALL DAY...


      A Great assessment of where our midfield are now
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      Reply #147: Dec 01, 2018 01:48:34 pm
      Sooner or later klopp will have to trust his new signings.

      Midfield was a position we went big on in the summer so it's time to see what we've bought.
      Yes totally agree... It's sink or swim time for Fab' and Keita
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      Reply #148: Dec 01, 2018 01:58:28 pm
      I read this on thurs, and pretty much dismissed it, simply because our most dynamic play last season came when we had the midfield runner I keep banging on about, and he doesn't even give this a mention until the very end, when to me it is the crux of the problem.

      I’ve always been honest about the fact I’m not the most tactically aware person to watch football, that side of it doesn’t interest me but enjoy the various debates etc.

      If Jürgen is happy and we are performing well that will do me, the ins and outs I will leave for people far more informed than me to discuss.

      Hendo is certainly one that divides opinion, but we’ve always had those players, Kuyt divided opinion for a very long time if I recall.
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      Reply #149: Dec 01, 2018 02:11:11 pm
      I’ve always been honest about the fact I’m not the most tactically aware person to watch football, that side of it doesn’t interest me but enjoy the various debates etc.

      If Jürgen is happy and we are performing well that will do me, the ins and outs I will leave for people far more informed than me to discuss.

      Hendo is certainly one that divides opinion, but we’ve always had those players, Kuyt divided opinion for a very long time if I recall.

      Fair enough mate :) one of the reasons I enjoy the tactical side is that I have the time to spare, and I know that not everyone has the time or the interest.
      It's all good :)

      Regarding Henderson, he's just the latest in a long line of scapegoats.
      It's always the same, every season, a small but loud group find someone to pin everything on; they did it with Kuyt as you say, with Lucas for years, with Can, last season it was Wijnaldum.
      I find it all a bit ridiculous to be honest.
      It's a team sport, and trying to say everything is the fault of one player is silly, at best.

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